blake
Footballguy
don't be so puzzled. bonds is about as good as mays...but not better.
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Do you WANT Barry Bonds to break the HR record? (1 Viewer)
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Jayrod
Footballguy
fixed.
SKribbles
Footballguy
Nope. Pretty sure it was correct the way I wrote it. No need to fix.
Henry Cabbot Henhouse
Footballguy
Shouldn't you be juicing up for you game vs the Dodgers on Tuesday Barry?Stop wasting your time trying to convince people that you don't cheat, cheater.You don't cheat in the same way OJ isn't a killer.You may be the best offensive player of the steroid era buy you aren't worthy to hold Willie Mays jock.As far as defense, as Rome loves to point out, you couldn't throw out Sid Bream from deep short to make the world series. You suck Barry.
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
As soon as we get stat geekdom involved, everything begins and ends with Babe Ruth.When you look at what Ruth did in the context of era, he just crushes everyone else as far being the best home run hitter and the best all-around offensive player ever.
I'm not really concerned with whether or not Bonds breaks the record. Without taking their eras and other factors into context, who hit the most home runs is a fairly meaningless stat. Put it all in context, and neither Bonds nor Aaron hold a candle to the Sultan of Swat.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
Bonds is easily the best hitter since Tef Williams, and quite possibly since the Babe. And he's got 8 gold gloves, which arent necessarily a good indicator of great defensive play (see Jeter), but he's only recently become a stiff in the OF.
All that said, I'd prefer he not break the record. But hopefully he won't hold it for long. Go A-Rod!
All that said, I'd prefer he not break the record. But hopefully he won't hold it for long. Go A-Rod!
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I find that Major League Baseball's ignoring the pursuit of the record rather insulting....
...to the legacy of Hank Aaron. Shouldn't we take the period of time between now and when Bond (seemingly inevitably) breaks the record to remind everyone of what kind of player Aaron was, what kind of hell he went through pursuing Babe Ruth's record, and how he has been a reminder, a thorn in the side of how far baseball and society still needs to go with race relations?
I was saddened by the complete neglect of the pursuit of 714, and now baseball is making the same mistake. The steroid scandal in baseball might be shameful, but Bud Selig and the rest of MLB's leadership are at least as much to blame for celebrating and profiting from the steroid years as any player. So to "punish" Bonds at the expense of Ruth and Aaron is just par for the course for these hypocrites.
...to the legacy of Hank Aaron. Shouldn't we take the period of time between now and when Bond (seemingly inevitably) breaks the record to remind everyone of what kind of player Aaron was, what kind of hell he went through pursuing Babe Ruth's record, and how he has been a reminder, a thorn in the side of how far baseball and society still needs to go with race relations?
I was saddened by the complete neglect of the pursuit of 714, and now baseball is making the same mistake. The steroid scandal in baseball might be shameful, but Bud Selig and the rest of MLB's leadership are at least as much to blame for celebrating and profiting from the steroid years as any player. So to "punish" Bonds at the expense of Ruth and Aaron is just par for the course for these hypocrites.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
This is a great point. Celebrating a record being broken is almost as much about the player being passed as it is the guy breaking the record. How many great Lou Gehrig montages and stories did we get to hear when Ripken Jr. broke that record? That was great. And Hershiser breaking Drysdale's consecutive scoreless streak was the same way. I'd love to hear the great stories of Aaron's pursuit and career. Instead, we're getting stories of how bitter he and Bud Selig are about Bonds. Not fun.
phrozen
Footballguy
For everyone complaining about Bonds holding on to the record I don't think it will be for long. ARod will overtake the record before his career is over with (as long as he stays healthy).
Jayrod
Footballguy
The bolded part is really the biggest issue with steriods for me. Not only would Bonds have been smaller and weaker without the roids, he would have been injured more and out longer when he was injured.This is also why Aaron was so great. He had longevity of success. That was the big deal with Cal Ripken as well. One of the most underrated part of steriods is it's work to speed the healing process. Both A-Rod and Pujols will have a good chance at running down 800 HR's IF they can stay healthy. And that is the biggest if and that is why I don't want Bonds getting the record. He shouldn't even still be playing, much less be able to hit 25 + HR's this season. Hopefully he'll break his arm and be unable to heal quickly without the roids. Then again, he'll be taking whatever he can to cheat and get away with it, so he'd probably just get better and come back even stronger and hit 100 HR's this season.For everyone complaining about Bonds holding on to the record I don't think it will be for long. ARod will overtake the record before his career is over with (as long as he stays healthy).
I think the only way to stop this freak is to decapitate him. :sharpenssword:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is another thing that people do not realize about steroids and growth hormones. They give your body the ability to recover faster than the average player does.So not only are you bigger and stronger than you normally would be, your muscles do not need the recovery period than normal MLB players need when they are worn down.The bolded part is really the biggest issue with steriods for me. Not only would Bonds have been smaller and weaker without the roids, he would have been injured more and out longer when he was injured.This is also why Aaron was so great. He had longevity of success. That was the big deal with Cal Ripken as well. One of the most underrated part of steriods is it's work to speed the healing process. Both A-Rod and Pujols will have a good chance at running down 800 HR's IF they can stay healthy. And that is the biggest if and that is why I don't want Bonds getting the record. He shouldn't even still be playing, much less be able to hit 25 + HR's this season. Hopefully he'll break his arm and be unable to heal quickly without the roids. Then again, he'll be taking whatever he can to cheat and get away with it, so he'd probably just get better and come back even stronger and hit 100 HR's this season.For everyone complaining about Bonds holding on to the record I don't think it will be for long. ARod will overtake the record before his career is over with (as long as he stays healthy).
I think the only way to stop this freak is to decapitate him. :sharpenssword:
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dparker713
Footballguy
The body isn't all muscle. Steroids have been prevent to have adverse effects on ligaments and tendons. While stunting bone growth in major leaguers isn't really an issue, there are numerous reasons why steroids are a controlled substance. BTW, which would you rather have to recover from, a pulled quad or a torn ACL? There is a reason Bond's knee took forever to heal.That is another thing that people do not realize about steroids and growth hormones. They give your body the ability to recover faster than the average player does.So not only are you bigger and stronger than you normanlly would be, your muscles do not need the recovery period than normal MLB players need when they are worn down.The bolded part is really the biggest issue with steriods for me. Not only would Bonds have been smaller and weaker without the roids, he would have been injured more and out longer when he was injured.This is also why Aaron was so great. He had longevity of success. That was the big deal with Cal Ripken as well. One of the most underrated part of steriods is it's work to speed the healing process. Both A-Rod and Pujols will have a good chance at running down 800 HR's IF they can stay healthy. And that is the biggest if and that is why I don't want Bonds getting the record. He shouldn't even still be playing, much less be able to hit 25 + HR's this season. Hopefully he'll break his arm and be unable to heal quickly without the roids. Then again, he'll be taking whatever he can to cheat and get away with it, so he'd probably just get better and come back even stronger and hit 100 HR's this season.For everyone complaining about Bonds holding on to the record I don't think it will be for long. ARod will overtake the record before his career is over with (as long as he stays healthy).
I think the only way to stop this freak is to decapitate him. :sharpenssword:
arrow1
Footballguy
I am pretty confident he was close to his prime when good ole Sid outran that arm of his. He is a one trick pony dominates at the plate (in a league that has crappy pitching as a whole compared to the time of Aaron) and completely worthless in the field. Sorry you can't see that. I'll take a career .305 hitter in Aaron (with 12364 ABs) over a .300 hitter in Bonds (with 9140 AB) any day. You can have OBP, but it's foolish to hang your hat on such a subjective stat. To each his own I suppose
That wiffle ball, 15-hop throw barely made it to the pitcher's mound.
popeye
Footballguy
D-BO
Footballguy
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
This again? WILLIE MAYS IS NOT RELATED TO BARRY BONDS. Mays is Bonds' godfather. There is no blood relationship. Jeez.Either A, this isOh come on. Hate on Barry all you want, but he's a demonstrably better ballplayer than his dad. Bring some argument if you want to make that assertion.Bond's isn't even the greatest baseball player in his family.
or B. you don't know that Willie Mays is in his family. Either way, you should really read your posts and think about them before you hit that "add reply" button.
