Does Moss go off against Packers as usual? (1 Viewer)

[Hairy Snowman]

Under the lights. Everyone is watching. You know Moss wants it.

On the turf at Lambaugh. Under the lights. Everyone is watching. You know Favre wants it.

Alot of injuries on the other side. Green Bay isn't likely going to chew clock. Favre and Moss will get their chances.

What are the odds of a "signature" game from these two on Sunday night? I think big players show up in big games. This is HUGE for Minnesota.

I say Moss 5-80 and a td (maybe 9 targets).

I think Favre maybe 250/3 tds/2 ints (at least one on a toss to Moss)

and GB wins.

Thoughts?

 

[Sabertooth]

I think so. Their dbacks stink. The whole game is going to come down to Favre making mistakes or not. I think he finds Moss plenty. Green Bay usually has trouble with tall receivers.

 

[Young 8]

Moss is washed up

 

[az_prof]

Moss is washed up? Hardly. If I owned him I would definitely play him this week. He and Favre are both motivated to put up big games--and these two guys have iron wills. When they want to impose their will, they do. Moss should finally know the playbook well enough to be able to do some different routes besides Go. I see Moss having a big day.

 

[packersfan]

The bad news for Moss owners is one Moss trended end last week. He typically owned the Cowboys and was pretty Meh against them.

The good news for Moss owners is he tends to score frequently in Primetime games (excluding games where his team is preparing to trade him and doesn't want to risk him getting hurt).

It really comes down to whether the Vikings play aggressively or not. They went into a shell against the Cowboys and rarely targeted Moss downfield. I realize they have pass protection issues but you still have to find a way to take 4-5 deep shots to Moss a game in my opinion. If they come out with that mindset tonight than Moss could have a big game because the Packers have issues in the secondary.

I think both teams can make plays downfield tonight if they come out aggressively. It will be interesting to see how aggressive McCarthy and Childress are.

 

[Acrobat7]

Woodson unfortunately can't cover anymore and is not (yet) playing safety, so Moss might be in for a big game.

 

[Neofight]

Woodson unfortunately can't cover anymore and is not (yet) playing safety, so Moss might be in for a big game.

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year? I really haven't watched Green Bay much since I avoided most of their offensive players. The guy was great last year.

 

[Young 8]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

 

[Eviloutsider]

6-142-2

 

[Acrobat7]

Woodson unfortunately can't cover anymore and is not (yet) playing safety, so Moss might be in for a big game.

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year? I really haven't watched Green Bay much since I avoided most of their offensive players. The guy was great last year.

quote:"Oct 23, 2010 9:10 am Packers cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt acknowledged that LCB Charles Woodson could eventually move to safety, but it won't happen this season.An executive in personnel for an NFC team who has seen every Packers game this season says of Woodson: "He can't cover anymore... He's a guesser with great anticipation and instincts. That's why he's been so productive." Although his cover skills have deteriorated, Woodson can still produce "splash" plays with the best of them. - Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel"

 

[Neofight]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

 

[CaptainHook]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

 

[Neofight]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

Mostly based on what I've seen of him on the field this year; he isn't getting separation, doesn't seem as focused and is dropping a lot of balls. He is currently tied for the league lead in passes dropped with 6, three of those were in the end zone. Here is a link to a Pro Football Focus article that Yudkin had posted a few weeks back which breaks down Moss. It really puts the metrics to what I had been seeing and feeling about him going back to last season. He is older, less explosive, lacking enthusiasm and just isn't the deep threat he once was. When he catches the short ball in the middle of the field he isn't very likely to take it to the house. He is on a team that has been fairly disappointing so far this season and will, if they don't turn it around, likely only become more disenchanted and withdrawn. All of this and he has an old, beaten down shell-of-his-former-self Favre throwing the ball to him.

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

Mostly based on what I've seen of him on the field this year; he isn't getting separation, doesn't seem as focused and is dropping a lot of balls. He is currently tied for the league lead in passes dropped with 6, three of those were in the end zone. Here is a link to a Pro Football Focus article that Yudkin had posted a few weeks back which breaks down Moss. It really puts the metrics to what I had been seeing and feeling about him going back to last season. He is older, less explosive, lacking enthusiasm and just isn't the deep threat he once was. When he catches the short ball in the middle of the field he isn't very likely to take it to the house. He is on a team that has been fairly disappointing so far this season and will, if they don't turn it around, likely only become more disenchanted and withdrawn. All of this and he has an old, beaten down shell-of-his-former-self Favre throwing the ball to him.

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

The question is whether this is the "possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while." I don't know if Moss can reach down deep and bring any more to the table, but I know the guy throwing him the ball can.

 

[az_prof]

Has Woodson's play dropped off that much this year?

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

Mostly based on what I've seen of him on the field this year; he isn't getting separation, doesn't seem as focused and is dropping a lot of balls. He is currently tied for the league lead in passes dropped with 6, three of those were in the end zone. Here is a link to a Pro Football Focus article that Yudkin had posted a few weeks back which breaks down Moss. It really puts the metrics to what I had been seeing and feeling about him going back to last season. He is older, less explosive, lacking enthusiasm and just isn't the deep threat he once was. When he catches the short ball in the middle of the field he isn't very likely to take it to the house. He is on a team that has been fairly disappointing so far this season and will, if they don't turn it around, likely only become more disenchanted and withdrawn. All of this and he has an old, beaten down shell-of-his-former-self Favre throwing the ball to him.

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

TO has led the league in "dropped balls" most of his career--or been right up there. I think these kinds of "metrics" are really misleading. Just my opinion.

 

[Neofight]

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

Mostly based on what I've seen of him on the field this year; he isn't getting separation, doesn't seem as focused and is dropping a lot of balls. He is currently tied for the league lead in passes dropped with 6, three of those were in the end zone. Here is a link to a Pro Football Focus article that Yudkin had posted a few weeks back which breaks down Moss. It really puts the metrics to what I had been seeing and feeling about him going back to last season. He is older, less explosive, lacking enthusiasm and just isn't the deep threat he once was. When he catches the short ball in the middle of the field he isn't very likely to take it to the house. He is on a team that has been fairly disappointing so far this season and will, if they don't turn it around, likely only become more disenchanted and withdrawn. All of this and he has an old, beaten down shell-of-his-former-self Favre throwing the ball to him.

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

The question is whether this is the "possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while." I don't know if Moss can reach down deep and bring any more to the table, but I know the guy throwing him the ball can.

I agree with this as well. I will never doubt Favre's heart and ability to rise to the occasion, only whether or not he can make it through one more season with his body intact. Randy to me just seems like he would rather be at a fishing hole sometimes when he is playing. He loves the game, no doubt, but he doesn't need it like Favre apparently does. I've been wondering if Moss doesn't think about what could've been had the Patriots won the Super Bowl following that historic season. He must know that a championship just isn't in the cards for him, and for a guy like Moss that has got to burn.

Favre plays for the love of the game, Randy loves the game but plays for different reasons entirely.

 

[Underachievers]

2-13-0

2-10-0

3-25-1

2-30-1

Moss has had games against the Packers where he has pretty much sucked also (and that was in his "glory days"). I would not COUNT on Moss having his usual "devastating" game against the Packers tonight.

Then again...

 

[packersfan]

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

He still looks like a Top 5-10 fantasy WR to me. His receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. He hasn't had that huge "Randy Moss game" yet but in terms of consistency he looks to be much more consistent now than he was this season with the Patriots. I think the Vikings are doing a smart thing using him in a variety of routes as opposed to just sending him on Go routes. However, they still need to work him deep which I think they failed to do against the Cowboys. They did it against the Jets and got a TD out of it. I think it you take 4-5 downfield shots to Moss a game, there's a very good to excellent chance he cashes in on at least one. I still think that other than Calvin Johnson, there isn't a better "Throw it up and hope he does something with it" WR in the game today than Moss.

 

[Neofight]

Moss's play has dropped as well

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. Traded him in my main league just after the trade, prior to his first game with the Vikes. He'll be a reach to finish in the top 20 WR's this year, IMO.

what makes u think this

Mostly based on what I've seen of him on the field this year; he isn't getting separation, doesn't seem as focused and is dropping a lot of balls. He is currently tied for the league lead in passes dropped with 6, three of those were in the end zone. Here is a link to a Pro Football Focus article that Yudkin had posted a few weeks back which breaks down Moss. It really puts the metrics to what I had been seeing and feeling about him going back to last season. He is older, less explosive, lacking enthusiasm and just isn't the deep threat he once was. When he catches the short ball in the middle of the field he isn't very likely to take it to the house. He is on a team that has been fairly disappointing so far this season and will, if they don't turn it around, likely only become more disenchanted and withdrawn. All of this and he has an old, beaten down shell-of-his-former-self Favre throwing the ball to him.

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

TO has led the league in "dropped balls" most of his career--or been right up there. I think these kinds of "metrics" are really misleading. Just my opinion.

No doubt this is true, but that is just one factor. TO has also lost a step but I'd be willing to bet he gets more separation than Randy and runs faster than Moss at this point in time. I also have little doubt that TO wants the spotlight a hell of a lot more than Randy does at this point in their careers. Even with that, they both are not consistent performers at this point in their respective careers.Moss is one of the greatest WR's we will ever see. He just isn't what he used to be.

 

[Stryker]

WIth the projected rain forecast, does this go into your thinking? I dont think it will be that big of a difference, but worth mentioning

 

[Irish Chaos]

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

He still looks like a Top 5-10 fantasy WR to me. His receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. He hasn't had that huge "Randy Moss game" yet but in terms of consistency he looks to be much more consistent now than he was this season with the Patriots. I think the Vikings are doing a smart thing using him in a variety of routes as opposed to just sending him on Go routes. However, they still need to work him deep which I think they failed to do against the Cowboys. They did it against the Jets and got a TD out of it. I think it you take 4-5 downfield shots to Moss a game, there's a very good to excellent chance he cashes in on at least one. I still think that other than Calvin Johnson, there isn't a better "Throw it up and hope he does something with it" WR in the game today than Moss.

agreed, maybe andre tho?

 

[Neofight]

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

He still looks like a Top 5-10 fantasy WR to me. His receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. He hasn't had that huge "Randy Moss game" yet but in terms of consistency he looks to be much more consistent now than he was this season with the Patriots. I think the Vikings are doing a smart thing using him in a variety of routes as opposed to just sending him on Go routes. However, they still need to work him deep which I think they failed to do against the Cowboys. They did it against the Jets and got a TD out of it. I think it you take 4-5 downfield shots to Moss a game, there's a very good to excellent chance he cashes in on at least one. I still think that other than Calvin Johnson, there isn't a better "Throw it up and hope he does something with it" WR in the game today than Moss.

I'd be very surprised if Moss finishes near the top 10 fantasy WR's. He's played two games for the Vikings and had 4 catches (on 10 targets) with a TD and 5 catches (on 6 targets) with a dropped TD. That doesn't look terribly different than what he did in New England this year, outside of that last game where he put up the goose egg. Small sample size, for certain, but I am not seeing him doing the things he used to do. Also, he is learning the west coast offense for the first time which is why he is running those routes. That may or may not be beneficial to his fantasy value.We can agree to disagree; the stats will tell the story at the end of the year. For my money, however, I'd take Fitz and AJ ahead of Moss in addition to Calvin. Possibly a few others.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

WIth the projected rain forecast, does this go into your thinking? I dont think it will be that big of a difference, but worth mentioning

Favre had trouble holding onto the ball last time I saw him play with it raining (elbow tendenitis can affect your grip), but I don't think it changes my projections.

 

[packersfan]

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

He still looks like a Top 5-10 fantasy WR to me. His receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. He hasn't had that huge "Randy Moss game" yet but in terms of consistency he looks to be much more consistent now than he was this season with the Patriots. I think the Vikings are doing a smart thing using him in a variety of routes as opposed to just sending him on Go routes. However, they still need to work him deep which I think they failed to do against the Cowboys. They did it against the Jets and got a TD out of it. I think it you take 4-5 downfield shots to Moss a game, there's a very good to excellent chance he cashes in on at least one. I still think that other than Calvin Johnson, there isn't a better "Throw it up and hope he does something with it" WR in the game today than Moss.

I'd be very surprised if Moss finishes near the top 10 fantasy WR's. He's played two games for the Vikings and had 4 catches (on 10 targets) with a TD and 5 catches (on 6 targets) with a dropped TD. That doesn't look terribly different than what he did in New England this year

Note (rounding up with all averages) - he averaged 2-35-1 on 5 targets per game with the Patriots. He's averaged 5-68-1 on 8 targets per game with the Vikings. I don't believe we should remove the last game with the Patriots because chances are he was started by nearly all (if not all) of his owners that week. So it counts. Receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. Again, the one thing that hasn't happened yet is that huge "Randy Moss game." I still think it can and will happen. In order for it to happen, I think the Vikings need to aggressively target him downfield as well as using him on the intermediate routes that we saw more of against the Cowboys. We'll see how it plays out but I'm not seeing a sharp decline in his game and I think the trade has significantly boosted his fantasy potential.

 

[Neofight]

I think you will get a nice, possibly huge game out of Randy once in a while, but to expect consistent points is to not set your expectations based on all the evidence and current circumstances. We just need to recalibrate based on what Randy is, not what he once was.

He still looks like a Top 5-10 fantasy WR to me. His receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. He hasn't had that huge "Randy Moss game" yet but in terms of consistency he looks to be much more consistent now than he was this season with the Patriots. I think the Vikings are doing a smart thing using him in a variety of routes as opposed to just sending him on Go routes. However, they still need to work him deep which I think they failed to do against the Cowboys. They did it against the Jets and got a TD out of it. I think it you take 4-5 downfield shots to Moss a game, there's a very good to excellent chance he cashes in on at least one. I still think that other than Calvin Johnson, there isn't a better "Throw it up and hope he does something with it" WR in the game today than Moss.

I'd be very surprised if Moss finishes near the top 10 fantasy WR's. He's played two games for the Vikings and had 4 catches (on 10 targets) with a TD and 5 catches (on 6 targets) with a dropped TD. That doesn't look terribly different than what he did in New England this year

Note (rounding up with all averages) - he averaged 2-35-1 on 5 targets per game with the Patriots. He's averaged 5-68-1 on 8 targets per game with the Vikings. I don't believe we should remove the last game with the Patriots because chances are he was started by nearly all (if not all) of his owners that week. So it counts. Receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. Again, the one thing that hasn't happened yet is that huge "Randy Moss game." I still think it can and will happen. In order for it to happen, I think the Vikings need to aggressively target him downfield as well as using him on the intermediate routes that we saw more of against the Cowboys. We'll see how it plays out but I'm not seeing a sharp decline in his game and I think the trade has significantly boosted his fantasy potential.

Again, extremely small sample sizes, but good luck with him. He doesn't pass the eyeball test for me and the objective analysis offered at Pro Football Focus puts a fine point on what has been going on with Randy's play going back to last year. That is a more worthwhile analysis than just the two games he's played with the Vikings, or all the games he's played this year (being generous and counting week4).

 

[packersfan]

I agree it's a small sample size but it's all we have to go on for this season. The one indisputable fact is that his receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. If nothing else, that bodes well for his chances to be productive. It's not easy to do a whole lot when you're only getting four passes thrown your way, which was the case in Moss' last two games combined with the Patriots.

 

[Neofight]

I agree it's a small sample size but it's all we have to go on for this season. The one indisputable fact is that his receptions, yards and targets are all up since the trade. If nothing else, that bodes well for his chances to be productive. It's not easy to do a whole lot when you're only getting four passes thrown your way, which was the case in Moss' last two games combined with the Patriots.

Chicken/egg?