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Does Ted Ginn Jr. Remind Anyone Else of Peter Warrick (1 Viewer)
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
I posted the same comparison in another thread during the off-season. Drops the ball way too much. He has been a bit better this year (he is still learning the position), but I still just him as a Pro Bowl-caliber punt returner.
Family Matters
Footballguy
So far teams are committing to stopping Ginn so their defenses are set up to do that. Because of the attention he commands, others like Anthony Gonzalez and others are getting opportunities and are cashing in.
As for Ginn, he is just a Jr. Not only does he have the quickness and speed, he's still learning the WR position. Remember, he's only played WR 2+ years as he did not play that in high school. He was the top rated DB coming out of high school.
After his Sr. year (assuming he stays) he will be one of the highest rated WR's. He will be drafted in the first round most likely and he will outperform Warrick depending the team and the system they use. There are some teams where he might not be as productive. Line him up with another solid WR and he will be golden.
Remember, you can't teach speed and quickness like his so teams have to draft it.
As for Ginn, he is just a Jr. Not only does he have the quickness and speed, he's still learning the WR position. Remember, he's only played WR 2+ years as he did not play that in high school. He was the top rated DB coming out of high school.
After his Sr. year (assuming he stays) he will be one of the highest rated WR's. He will be drafted in the first round most likely and he will outperform Warrick depending the team and the system they use. There are some teams where he might not be as productive. Line him up with another solid WR and he will be golden.
Remember, you can't teach speed and quickness like his so teams have to draft it.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Good post. Warrick had some serious moves but not lights out speed. Ginn has been clocked in low 4.2's. He's fast and has that quick change of direction ability that is a deadly combo. He's becoming a much better route runner and it's showing up on the field.Also, he has become a very good run blocker. He takes alot of pride in his ability to make plays without the ball. In the Cinn game, he made a block downfield that allowed Pittman to score on long run play. The block was highlite reel stuff.He is growing into a complete player.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
That's right. Warrick was not "fast (40 time)." He was quick. And that did not translate well to the NFL.
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
With Troy Smith graduating after this year, Ginn almost certainly will be coming out early.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Ginn says he runs 4.2. He reminds me more of Steve Smith than Warrick.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I was thinking of that myself when I was watching the game tonight. I think he will disappoint at the NFL level.
chris1969
Footballguy
I was thinking more like Donte Stallworth. The thing is he has physical strength, but he doesn't know how to use it yet. He has the physical ability to be great, but until he learns to use his upper body he'll be just a deep threat and returner. His route running improved greatly this year and his blocking did too, so it seems he can learn. Now he needs someone to teach him the physical part. He'll probably be a first round draft pick this year, but it'll be 50/50 on whether that pick pans out.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He reminds me of Joey Galloway
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Warrick was starting to come on as a pretty decent NFL player before he got hurt.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I find your final thoughts stunning considering you're a Buckeye fan. Gonzalez will be lucky to make it in the NFL. Ginn is going to be a star. Why are we still talking about Ginn running routes and being a WR? He runs fantastic routes and has excellent hands, and has been doing it since late last season. I agree it would be great if Tressell put him in at DB against Michigan. Very cool idea. I've seen Galloway and Jett live in the Murph at their fastest, and I cannot say either of them had better field speed than Ginn. It's the same. They run away from everyone, they make angles that seem impossible. Ginn's difference is his extra athleticism and he has better size than most think. He sheds tackles and runs with power. His acceleration is just mind blowing. Literally, if you tell me you've seen anything like this before, I'd like to see it.
KoolKat
Footballguy
I guess nobody can be sure till we see what he does in the combine. If he runs a 4.2-4.3 he'll be a Top 15 Pick. If he messes up and runs a 4.5-4.6 he could slip to late 1st early 2nd i.e. Anquan Boldin. Of course if he continues to put up Heisman-esque numbers, he may be able to refuse to run a 40 like other top picks have done in the past. The more I think about the fact that he was recruited as a DB, and has only been playing WR for a short time makes me like him more, as he will only continue to develop. Also, with the new rules limiting DBs, Ginn will have an easier time transitioning to the NFL than Warrick did. Maybe if Warrick had come in with the NFL's current rules, he would have had a more successful career.
appreciate the postSome of those highlights make me think horrible tackling and not so much great play by him. As you know NFL is much faster than college. If an NFL DB is just as fast as him are you confident he can handle the bump, run a sharp route and still catch the ball with regularity. Sometimes speed is the only asset a player has and they wind up being just a KR in the NFL.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I know that Chaos knows more about scouting than I do and I usually agree with him, but I think he's way off on Ginn. Ginn has great speed, but he is not that tough physically and he especially is not that tough mentally, IMHO. He disappears in games all the time and I really think that you will see him do poorly at the NFL level due to that lack of mental toughness.
coolnerd
Footballguy
turkishkamel
Footballguy
much, much, much, much, much fasterKoolKat said:
JayMan
Footballguy
He would have to run backwards to run a 4.60 / 40...
Irish
Footballguy
Right now Gonzalez is a better wr than Ginn. Ginn does not run precise routes. He is an incredible athlete. Why won't Gonzo make it to the NFL? He is just as fast and almost as elusive as Ginn.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
For some reason Gonzalez reminds me of Brandon Stokely.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I appreciate your opinion and please do not take this as criticism of your post. One thing you have to watch for when evaluating players is what's happening in the games. For example, Ginn hasn't disappeared in any game this year. (Granted he did last year) Unless you call being double and triple teamed disappearing. Further, OSU has many other weapons. Guys Gonzo, Hartline, Hall and Robiskie have been making plays because of all the attention Ginn is given by defenses. Another factor is the play calling. Tress teams are not going to attempt to score 40 points. They are still a relatively conservative play calling team. The running game is also affected positively by Ginn for 2 reasons:1. The extra coverage provided more running lanes.
2. Ginn has been a great blocker.
So before you make a statement like that you have to know why it's happening. Why should Smith try to force the ball into double and triple coverage when he's got other options wide open at times. Again, thanks to Ginn.
One last thing. I mentioned before that Ginn is only a Jr. He's only been a WR for 2+ years now so he's learning and doing quite well IMO. By the time he completes his development as a Sr. he will likely be one of the best to have played the game.
Oh and one last thing. Ginn is a great teammate. He never gets into trouble. He never complains of double teams or of his stats. He's the consumate team player that praises his teammates, not himself. And while these traits are intangiables, they show up on the field in the way the whole team plays. He's a tremendous leader.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
nice video, but whats up with that song?
BigFishBigTeeth
Footballguy
I think he also warrants merit for having great hands, which is something that people oddly seems to overlook when evaluating the value of wideouts.... Of course speed, quickness and route running are critical, but a clear difference you see between top and medicocre WRs is that the elite guys don't drop balls... I have seen Ginn make some nice catches the past couple of years (particularly painful as a Texas fan)
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Ginn seems pretty damn good to me.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I've only seen 2 of their games this year, the last two, but I was more thinking of last year. He did disappear quite a bit last year, especially in bigger games like Texas and Penn State. I do understand that he is opening things up for other players, but how can you be sure that will change at the NFL level? Is Ashley Lelie a great NFL WR because he can run 4.3 fly routes all day, open things up for Crumpler underneath and drop half of the passes that come his way?
Again, he may be a great teammate and he is certainly a great, fast athlete, but that doesn't mean he will be a great NFL WR. Speed is very overrated at the NFL level. There just won't be as much open space for him. And you think he will be there next year for his Senior year? Maybe you have read something in the local papers, but I find that very hard to believe. His team has a good chance of being the undefeated National Champs and his QB is graduating. I can't imagine he'll be back.
Anyway, I appreciate the local opinion and I know I am in the minority with my opinion, but I don't think he'll make a very good NFL player.
KoolKat
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Ginn is fast, no question, but I don't think he's tough enough to be a WR1 o WR2 in the NFL. He tends to shy away from contact. I didn't pay much attention to Warrick in college, or the NFL, so I can't compare them really, but IMO, Ginn lacks the toughness to go over the middle. I see him kind of like Lelie actually.
lawrence phillips
Footballguy
Ginn doesn't remind me of Peter Warrick, he reminds me of a poor man's Peter Warrick. I don't think Ginn can make it as a starting receiver in the NFL, but I do think he could make it as a return man or a
The Commish
Footballguy
Not at all....but it's better than what Ginn is doing, which I think was his point. Ginn's a nice complementary player, but he's soft thus far and tends to shy away from contact now. Can you imagine him in the NFL??That's great.
Not taking anything away from Manningham, the kid looks like a stud, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. I also think that a Warrick/Ginn comparison is apples to oranges. They have completely different styles.I too have some reservations about Ginn's NFL prospects. His route running and hands need to improve. I've heard a lot about Ginn being soft, but think he is playing tougher this year. I've seen him throw a couple hard blocks this year. The kind he wouldn't have thrown last year. As he gets more acclimated to being a WR, instead of a kick returner or DB, I think his playing style in general will be "tougher."Not at all....but it's better than what Ginn is doing, which I think was his point. Ginn's a nice complementary player, but he's soft thus far and tends to shy away from contact now. Can you imagine him in the NFL??
Can't belive it took 15 posts for someone to say this.Warrick never had great straight ahead speed and made his living mostly off of juking LBs and DBs.Ginn has already shown he can get deep and burn by just about everyone on teh field in the meantime.
chris1969
Footballguy
Ginn doesn't shy away from the physical or mental part of the game, but he's still learning the position. He went from being a lousy blocker in his first year to a great blocker now. He went from running horrible routes to running sharp crisp routes. OSU wr's in the past have been psychotic egomaniacs, gut Ginn does nothing but support his teamates and remain humble. His father is a High School Head Coach of a dynasty in Ohio and I'm sure dad has had alot to do with his improvement. He has the upper body strength to be a great reciever, but he's got to figure out how to use it, the problem is he tries to use just his arms instead of his whole body. He tries to be physical with the DB away from his body rather than allowing the DB to get in close and using his whole body to push him away.He could use another year in college, but look for Ginn to be a first round pick this year. If he has a good wr coach, he could be great, but he needs to get that physical part of his game down.
As far as Gonzo goes, think of a faster Joe Jurevicious. He's polished, but doesn't have great athletic ability. He has the heart to be a great wr over the middle.
Ditto
I don't see the Gonzo/Jurevicious comparison at all. Gonzo is extremely overrated athletically. He takes on more of the possession WR role on the team due his route running and Ginn being more of a deep threat, but he has shown great speed/quickness throughout his career. There was talk of his speed being comparable to Ginn this offseason. I'll try to find a link....
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Gonzo is supposedly the fastest player on the roster, even Ginn. I'll try to find something too.I was actually kind of suprised when they moved him to WR, but he has improved tremendously. I'm not sure what he will be in the NFL, but either one he will not stand out right away. He is still improving and needs to get better in most aspects.
Family Matters
Footballguy
According to Ginn's father, Gonzo is slightly faster. Not by much and remember this is straight line speed. Ginn has better moves than Gonzo.Bobcat10 said:
Peter Warrick was dominant in college. He took over games and was very consistent and a much better overall player then Teddy Ginn is and probably ever will be in college IMO. Ginn is probably a higher ranking NFL prospect due to Warrick's lack of true top end speed and size (though Ginn isn't very big either). So no, Ginn doesn't remind me of Peter Warrick, Peter Warrick was much better.
KoolKat
Footballguy
Starting to become a pretty decent player in your 4th or 5th season after being the 4th overall pick constitutes a huge bust. Being picked that high, you are supposed to come in, and make an impressive, immediate impact. Also, how can you say Warrick never had great straight ahead speed. All people could talk about in college was how speedy, explosive, and agile he was. How do you think he became a the 4th Pick.
IIRC, Courtney Brown (DE) ran just as fast of a 40 as Warrick did in pre-draft workouts. I could be wrong, but regardless, Warrick ran a very unimpressive time. Being speedy, explosive and agile are very different than straight ahead speed. Ginn was an accomplished track star in high school as well as a football player. By what I've seen of Ginn, and remember of Warrick, their straight ahead speed is not even comparable. Ginn's weakness right now are the other WR skills; such as route running and catching the ball. Maybe his strength as well.
