does this happen in your league? (1 Viewer)

[greenheads]

my league locks players from the waiver wire for a week after they are dropped

My league blind bid waiver wire is on Fri night, after this all players are free to pick up until KO of the first game that week, players dropped in the pick up process are locked or not available to be picked up even in the free period until the next friday.

So some owners are picking up players in the waiver wire process that they don't want but know other owners may want or need and then immediately are dropping those players and getting the player they want in the free pick ups, just so the player they bid on and got is then locked for everybody else for a week.

example guy bid on won Charlie Whitehurst then dropped him and got Matt Moore. he did this b/c he didn't want anybody else to get whitehurst locking him for a week by dropping him. He needed matt moore for next week when both of his qbs are on bye

anogther guy bid and won Dwyer and then minutes later dropped him in the free pick up period for a bye week defense he needs

Question: Smart strategy? or sleazy unethical moves

Another way to put this is: Is anything ok if its not against the rules? The screwing your buddies is part of the fun mentality. OR are these types of moves sleazy and unethical but not illegal.

Thoughts.

 

[IHEARTFF]

It's sleazy. Things like that happen in every league. All you can do is call them out on it, and you stick to your own principals. If 1 person is a regular, egregious offender, perhaps a penalty of some sort is in order.

 

[RJS113]

example guy bid on won Charlie Whitehurst then dropped him and got Matt Moore. he did this b/c he didn't want anybody else to get whitehurst locking him for a week by dropping him. He needed matt moore for next week when both of his qbs are on bye

I don't get this. The Seahawks are on a bye, so no one can use Whitehurst this week anyway. Anyone that wants Whitehurst can just pick him up next week now. How much did he bid to do this?

 

[bryhamm]

You should have a rule that all acquired players have to remain on your roster for that week before they can be dropped.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Three free pick-ups/week. Each after costs $5.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

Sounds like what you have is a rule problem, not necessarily an owner problem.

Change the rule. 2 days is plenty, and even that, IMO, is unnecessary. Why not make drops immediately available to other franchises?

 

[Patoons]

I have something similar in my IDP league.

I often end up picking up a guy initially, and changing my mind a few days later (often Sunday). There's no way I'm going to let both sit out there until I come to a conclusion and risk them being picked up. My intent isn't to protect, but to get a filler for a week.

You may offer to suggest to the commish for a rule change so that a player picked up/dropped in one week is unlocked automatically/by the commish. I know I'd be open to that in my league.

 

[ponchsox]

Set a limit for add/drops for the season or charge for each transaction.

 

[buck naked]

We have a rule that if somebody does this, the player picked up and dropped is available again. It solves the problem.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

 

[shadyridr]

We have a rule that if somebody does this, the player picked up and dropped is available again. It solves the problem.

we have the same exact rule spelled out

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

stupid waiver rules.

 

[shadyridr]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

team a is hanging out with team b, team a drops player a, team b immediately picks player a up giving nobody else a chance at picking him up. this happened year one of our league, i put the rule in the next yr to avoid this. now we lock for 24hrs

 

[marbotty]

Does your league waiver order remain constant, or reset each week?

If this guy is blowing his waiver priority to pick up a guy he doesn't want, it should actually help you out in the long run, when there's a guy he actually does want but can no longer acquire because someone's ahead of him on the waiver priority list.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

team a is hanging out with team b, team a drops player a, team b immediately picks player a up giving nobody else a chance at picking him up. this happened year one of our league, i put the rule in the next yr to avoid this. now we lock for 24hrs

if they are hanging out, what keeps them from simply trading? team b picks up the free agent, then trades him to team a for the player he was going to drop. a little shady maybe, but same result.in any case, i can see locking for 24 hrs to give everyone a fair shot at the dropped player. but locking for an entire week????

 

[We Tigers]

Every league I've ever been in has only had 24- or 48-hour period before dropped players come off waivers. Anything more than that is silly.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

We have a rule that if somebody does this, the player picked up and dropped is available again. It solves the problem.

This is a good rule. And with limited bid budget this shouldn't make it a problem. I doubt he's bidding more than the minimum...meaning if someone else wants a player they should be able to get him.

 

[Warrior]

Switch to Yahoo. Anyone picked up and dropped in the same day has no waiver time...they can be immediately picked back up by another team.

 

[shadyridr]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

team a is hanging out with team b, team a drops player a, team b immediately picks player a up giving nobody else a chance at picking him up. this happened year one of our league, i put the rule in the next yr to avoid this. now we lock for 24hrs

if they are hanging out, what keeps them from simply trading? team b picks up the free agent, then trades him to team a for the player he was going to drop. a little shady maybe, but same result.in any case, i can see locking for 24 hrs to give everyone a fair shot at the dropped player. but locking for an entire week????

thats collusion. also against the rules

 

[Ray_T]

my league locks players from the waiver wire for a week after they are droppedMy league blind bid waiver wire is on Fri night, after this all players are free to pick up until KO of the first game that week, players dropped in the pick up process are locked or not available to be picked up even in the free period until the next friday.So some owners are picking up players in the waiver wire process that they don't want but know other owners may want or need and then immediately are dropping those players and getting the player they want in the free pick ups, just so the player they bid on and got is then locked for everybody else for a week.example guy bid on won Charlie Whitehurst then dropped him and got Matt Moore. he did this b/c he didn't want anybody else to get whitehurst locking him for a week by dropping him. He needed matt moore for next week when both of his qbs are on byeanogther guy bid and won Dwyer and then minutes later dropped him in the free pick up period for a bye week defense he needs Question: Smart strategy? or sleazy unethical movesAnother way to put this is: Is anything ok if its not against the rules? The screwing your buddies is part of the fun mentality. OR are these types of moves sleazy and unethical but not illegal.Thoughts.

It is Sleazy, but it is legal.This is the reason we eliminated the waiver wire. people were abusing the system.You drop a player, hes available to the first person who picks him up.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

my league locks players from the waiver wire for a week after they are droppedMy league blind bid waiver wire is on Fri night, after this all players are free to pick up until KO of the first game that week, players dropped in the pick up process are locked or not available to be picked up even in the free period until the next friday.So some owners are picking up players in the waiver wire process that they don't want but know other owners may want or need and then immediately are dropping those players and getting the player they want in the free pick ups, just so the player they bid on and got is then locked for everybody else for a week.example guy bid on won Charlie Whitehurst then dropped him and got Matt Moore. he did this b/c he didn't want anybody else to get whitehurst locking him for a week by dropping him. He needed matt moore for next week when both of his qbs are on byeanogther guy bid and won Dwyer and then minutes later dropped him in the free pick up period for a bye week defense he needs Question: Smart strategy? or sleazy unethical movesAnother way to put this is: Is anything ok if its not against the rules? The screwing your buddies is part of the fun mentality. OR are these types of moves sleazy and unethical but not illegal.Thoughts.

It is Sleazy, but it is legal.This is the reason we eliminated the waiver wire. people were abusing the system.You drop a player, hes available to the first person who picks him up.

Some people play the "if it's not written in the rules then it's legal" card. I even used to go with that. I've since come around. I've written a 'good spirit' rule. Because it's impossible to cover every possible loophole and doing so rather kills the fun. You want to pick up ______ position to hoarde it for the week and force a trade with someone? Great move. You want to exploit the system and pick/drop players immediately to lock them? Absolute nonsense and any commish should not only reverse this but publicly state it goes against the spirit of the game and warn folks not to argue the "it's not specifically forbidden in the rules" card.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

team a is hanging out with team b, team a drops player a, team b immediately picks player a up giving nobody else a chance at picking him up. this happened year one of our league, i put the rule in the next yr to avoid this. now we lock for 24hrs

if they are hanging out, what keeps them from simply trading? team b picks up the free agent, then trades him to team a for the player he was going to drop. a little shady maybe, but same result.in any case, i can see locking for 24 hrs to give everyone a fair shot at the dropped player. but locking for an entire week????

thats collusion. also against the rules

i don't see that as collusion. pro sports teams do this all the time..."hey you draft this guy and we will trade for his rights". but to each his own i suppose. anyways, agree with you that a 24 waiting period is understandable. still don't see any reason to wait a week.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

To further clarify - allowing this breeds resentment and bad blood. It will encourage others to find various loopholes. It will slowly strangle the fun from the league. It's in the best interest of the league to stop this weed from spreading.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

A cap on transactions should eliminate this. My league only allows 20 moves per season. Sounds like a lot but by week 5 or 6 you are choosing your moves very carefully.

 

[Scrooloose]

limit free agent moves per week or charge a fee.

 

[flc735]

one of the many reasons why FCFS waivers are awful

 

[bbuster]

I play at Phenoms and the commish doesn't allow this. I don't know if he can catch it every time, but I know if it was brought to his attention he would deal with it. Very sleazy move.

 

[Football Jones]

You simply make rules that can't be abused. Solves everything.

Players must be kept at least one week & all drops are locked until the next week. Two of the best rules leagues can have, IMO. The reason for the second rule is because all players should have to go through waivers for fairness to all teams. Otherwise, the best drops tend to get picked up by teams who are just lucky enough to be online at the time of the transaction. I'm in leagues where drops are immediately available, but I much prefer drops to be locked (even though I'm typically online much of the time & have the ability to make FF moves at anytime).

 

[two_dollars]

$5 a transaction. Kinda stops that stuff in my league, plus a $1 min FAAB bid.

 

[Bri]

yeah but OP says they won the bid. If it's costing them money or fictitious money they should be allowed to. If you don't like it ...spend.

Chances are it's not all that clever, but instead they're just trying to raise a bid on some WW player. It doesn't work and they're stuck with him.

 

[Bri]

To further clarify - allowing this breeds resentment and bad blood. It will encourage others to find various loopholes. It will slowly strangle the fun from the league. It's in the best interest of the league to stop this weed from spreading.

what he said.

 

[spodog]

Sounds like what you have is a rule problem, not necessarily an owner problem.

Yep.

 

[De Novo]

Sounds like what you have is a rule problem, not necessarily an owner problem.Change the rule. 2 days is plenty, and even that, IMO, is unnecessary. Why not make drops immediately available to other franchises?

 

[Ray_T]

I don't see the purpose in this rule. Why would you want to prevent teams from picking up dropped players for a week????

team a is hanging out with team b, team a drops player a, team b immediately picks player a up giving nobody else a chance at picking him up. this happened year one of our league, i put the rule in the next yr to avoid this. now we lock for 24hrs

if they are hanging out, what keeps them from simply trading? team b picks up the free agent, then trades him to team a for the player he was going to drop. a little shady maybe, but same result.in any case, i can see locking for 24 hrs to give everyone a fair shot at the dropped player. but locking for an entire week????

thats collusion. also against the rules

i don't see that as collusion. pro sports teams do this all the time..."hey you draft this guy and we will trade for his rights". but to each his own i suppose. anyways, agree with you that a 24 waiting period is understandable. still don't see any reason to wait a week.

Yeah, I think a 24 hour wait period to clear waivers is more than reasonable. This way, if someone is going to use those tactics, they'd have to do it throughout the week rather than just once.