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Does Your Dynasty Use Conditional Draft Picks in Trades? (1 Viewer)
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sushinsky4tsar
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I have never gotten one done, but respect the hell out of any owner or league where such level of haggling takes place.
A couple of times I have offered top 3 / 5 protections on 1st round draft picks to competitive teams to try to entice them into a deal (removing unforeseen risk), but the rest of the trade never got off the ground. Do any platforms actually facilitate such trade options within the software? I have always just assumed that I would just send an email statement to my trade partner with 'CC' to the Commish stating the protection in writing.
A couple of times I have offered top 3 / 5 protections on 1st round draft picks to competitive teams to try to entice them into a deal (removing unforeseen risk), but the rest of the trade never got off the ground. Do any platforms actually facilitate such trade options within the software? I have always just assumed that I would just send an email statement to my trade partner with 'CC' to the Commish stating the protection in writing.
It's a nightmare to track and essentially is a slippery slope (speaking from experience). We had it for a while, but ended up getting rid of it and instituting a rule that all trades are final at the time they are executed.
For example, in your scenario "For Example: 2nd Rounder if PLAYER X totals < 200 points by end of season; 1st Rounder if > 200 points", the team giving up the pick now can not trade their 1st or 2nd round pick, and as commish I need to track that. But, the team receiving that pick could then conditionally trade the pick they may receive in a deal where if it's a 2nd round pick, I deal it, if it is conveyed as a 1st round pick, I deal something else.
We also ran into a scenario where a deal was for the "earliest" 2nd round pick a team had (they had multiple at time of executing the deal). Draft order determined by season end finish, so this would happen after the season was over. As season progressed and it became clear one of those picks would be very early in the round and more valuable, they then dealt that pick in a different deal, so that they would be conveying their only remaining 2nd round pick to complete their prior deal. Technically no rules against that, but the receiving owner was pissed claiming that their deal was for the earliest of the picks he had at the time they executed the deal and that he could not trade that other pick as it was tied up as a "conditional" part of their trade.
As a commish, it was a complete nightmare. It was definitely fun to try and negotiate deals with contingencies, but it just was not practical to keep as part of the league, thus the decision that all trades need to be "final" when executed, no further contingencies.
For example, in your scenario "For Example: 2nd Rounder if PLAYER X totals < 200 points by end of season; 1st Rounder if > 200 points", the team giving up the pick now can not trade their 1st or 2nd round pick, and as commish I need to track that. But, the team receiving that pick could then conditionally trade the pick they may receive in a deal where if it's a 2nd round pick, I deal it, if it is conveyed as a 1st round pick, I deal something else.
We also ran into a scenario where a deal was for the "earliest" 2nd round pick a team had (they had multiple at time of executing the deal). Draft order determined by season end finish, so this would happen after the season was over. As season progressed and it became clear one of those picks would be very early in the round and more valuable, they then dealt that pick in a different deal, so that they would be conveying their only remaining 2nd round pick to complete their prior deal. Technically no rules against that, but the receiving owner was pissed claiming that their deal was for the earliest of the picks he had at the time they executed the deal and that he could not trade that other pick as it was tied up as a "conditional" part of their trade.
As a commish, it was a complete nightmare. It was definitely fun to try and negotiate deals with contingencies, but it just was not practical to keep as part of the league, thus the decision that all trades need to be "final" when executed, no further contingencies.
nirad3
Footballguy
I pulled one off during the rookie draft of one of my more complicated leagues. Remains to see how it all plays out but we were very specific, and a few owners had some questions that got answered to their satisfaction before it went through.
All I'll say is... make sure it's well-documented and both sides sign off on the conditions. And of course the commish should weigh in to some degree.
All I'll say is... make sure it's well-documented and both sides sign off on the conditions. And of course the commish should weigh in to some degree.
We do this and put the onus on the parties to keep track of their own conditions. The best way is to list the conditions in the comment box for trades. As the Commish I tell the parties what is in the comments of the accepted trade are the conditions I will go by if there is a dispute. It has been very clean.
Last year I completed two conditional trades that had conditions regarding finish at the end of the season. Basically finish 1st or 2nd it was a 1st rounder, if 3rd or 4th dropped to a 3rd rounder and out of the money it dropped to a 6th rounder. The trade went through with the 1st rounder. It ended up being the right one so nothing had to be moved around. We had stipulations that if the party owing the pick didn't have that round it improved by a round (or more as needed).
No issues and very clean.
Last year I completed two conditional trades that had conditions regarding finish at the end of the season. Basically finish 1st or 2nd it was a 1st rounder, if 3rd or 4th dropped to a 3rd rounder and out of the money it dropped to a 6th rounder. The trade went through with the 1st rounder. It ended up being the right one so nothing had to be moved around. We had stipulations that if the party owing the pick didn't have that round it improved by a round (or more as needed).
No issues and very clean.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
They are allowed in my leagues but maybe 3-4 completed in 13 years
Gold Fox
Footballguy
Thank you for sharing your experiences with conditional draft picks. Seems like the league sites don’t directly support this approach, but some commissioners go the extra mile to try and make it work.
Overall, it seems preferable to balance a trade in other ways (swapping additional players).
Overall, it seems preferable to balance a trade in other ways (swapping additional players).
eric rymer
Footballguy
I did it once but it was a gentleman's agreement. Owner was apprehensive about a trade because it left him thin at the RB position. I offered some consolation if it went sideways. It ended up working well for us both. Generally speaking it's probably not a good idea to do it that way though. But as mentioned if you do it then it really needs to be VERY well documented.
Sure, we do it sometimes. The most common is if someone has two picks in the same round of a future draft. So the condition is the higher (or lower) of the two picks, for example.
I think I did one once where the guy was trading down in the draft but not sure if the guy he wanted would be there. I assured him he would be, and threw in a conditional pick. If the target player wasn't there, he got the conditional pick. If he was there, I kept the pick.
I think I did one once where the guy was trading down in the draft but not sure if the guy he wanted would be there. I assured him he would be, and threw in a conditional pick. If the target player wasn't there, he got the conditional pick. If he was there, I kept the pick.
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sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Yeah, I think you have to have a trustworthy trade partner. If I receive a 1st round pick in next year's draft, but give top 5 protection where I'm giving the other owner the option to trade to get a top 5 back in exchange for his next 1st, well then I have no business trading that 1st before the trade options have been satisfied.
Shame on the guy trading that pick and expecting the commish and the rest of the league to keep tabs on the conditions that go along with it. Can see where that would be a commissioner's nightmare.
Shame on the guy trading that pick and expecting the commish and the rest of the league to keep tabs on the conditions that go along with it. Can see where that would be a commissioner's nightmare.
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