Dog owner convicted of murder after mauling death (1 Viewer)

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/calif-man-guilty-murder-pit-bulls-killed-woman-article-1.1922132

Seems to be a hot button topic in the FFA. Pit Bull owner convicted of 2nd degree murder after his dogs mauled a 62 year old woman to death. Guy knew his dogs were dangerous and I think the majority of us should be happy with this conviction.

 

[NutterButter]

Looks fine to me

 

[sports_fan]

Devitt died from blood loss after being bitten 200 times, the coroner’s office said.

What an awful way to go :(

 

[Arizona Ron]

"They presented evidence that the dogs were involved in at least seven other altercations in the 18 months before the fatal attack."

" Some have forbid their children from playing outside and have taken to carrying sticks, rocks and guns for protection."

Good, throw him in jail.

 

[TLEF316]

But but but golden retrievers can bite too!!!

 

[MaxThreshold]

That's awesome. I don't see this as any different than owning a hand gun and accidentally shooting someone to death.

Pit bulls are ####### dangerous.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

“It feels like they’re trying to make an example of him,” Vincent Jackson said about his brother.

Good.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Would it be too much to allow some rabid dogs to tear him to pieces? I'm kind of leaning more in that direction because massive butt rape isn't good enough for him ...and maybe he likes it.

 

[AAABatteries]

massive butt rape

Band name?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

massive butt rape

Band name?

Rammstein.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Shocked that this would happen in a place like Lancaster.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Vincent Jackson said his brother Alex has accepted some responsibility in the case and wrote a letter to the victim’s husband that was never sent

Pretty loose definition of "some" you got there.

 

[McGarnicle]

Hope he gets anally mauled in the joint.

 

[TxBuckeye]

How was this guy's dogs in several altercations over time, and yet he was still allowed to posses them? Seems like a failure in the system on top of everything else.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Vincent Jackson said his brother Alex has accepted some responsibility in the case and wrote a letter to the victim’s husband that was never sent

Pretty loose definition of "some" you got there.

Well this really changes everything for me. And who is this despicable ******* who refused delivery of his tortured, semi-responsible, half-apology?

And l'm throwing his brother Vincent into the same "abuser - WILL NOT DRAFT" bucket as Ray Rice. He "had" to have known and is an enabler. Repeat - will not draft.

 

[Judge Smails]

How was this guy's dogs in several altercations over time, and yet he was still allowed to posses them? Seems like a failure in the system on top of everything else.

His attorney did say Animal Control shared in the blame. Dude was growing pot. Had pit bulls to protect his operation. Have fun in prison guy.

 

[Otis]

Owned. They killed the animals too right?

Good riddance.

 

[TxBuckeye]

How was this guy's dogs in several altercations over time, and yet he was still allowed to posses them? Seems like a failure in the system on top of everything else.

His attorney did say Animal Control shared in the blame. Dude was growing pot. Had pit bulls to protect his operation. Have fun in prison guy.

Hopefully animal control in this case is forced to take a look at their policies or whatnot. I can see the missing one case or whatever. But missing someone with several dog attack incidents just seems hard to forgive.

 

[Tchula]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

 

[Ignoramus]

Need more of this. After all, it's the owner not the breed, right?

 

[Ignoramus]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded... so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

Agreed.

 

[McGarnicle]

Spaded right to the throat IMO.

 

[dozer]

Big dog, small wiener.

 

[pollardsvision]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I'm an owner of a dog breed with an unfair bad rep (Doberman), and think it's almost always an owner issue, but I recognize that that danger of a pit in a bad owners hands is far greater than it is with other breeds in bad hands. Even compared to other breeds with bad reps, but maybe that's my own personal bias.

It would be really awesome if there were some sort of licensure or regulation for owning certain breeds, but as we see in this case, the government doesn't have the ability to enforce the most basic forms of dog regulation. This dog needed to be put down long ago, and this guy shouldn't own dogs. These facts were clear long ago, and there was nobody to enforce either.

And to your point, good luck rounding up all the pit bulls and getting them spayed/neutered.

 

[AAABatteries]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I think that's a problem that won't be able to be overcome if this were ever a serious conversation. Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"? I do think it makes sense to consider making it illegal to breed pit bulls and let the breed slowly die off. I couldn't support doing anything across the board when there's people who own them and love them and give them good homes.

This will sound ridiculous but maybe have a registered pit bull list so people can know if their neighbors own one. If you get caught with an unregistered pit bull you either get a fine or maybe get it taken away?

I just know it's a scary thought that my kid could just be walking down the street or playing in our yard and be attacked and lose them forever.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

Spayed

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I think that's a problem that won't be able to be overcome if this were ever a serious conversation. Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"? I do think it makes sense to consider making it illegal to breed pit bulls and let the breed slowly die off. I couldn't support doing anything across the board when there's people who own them and love them and give them good homes.

This will sound ridiculous but maybe have a registered pit bull list so people can know if their neighbors own one. If you get caught with an unregistered pit bull you either get a fine or maybe get it taken away?

I just know it's a scary thought that my kid could just be walking down the street or playing in our yard and be attacked and lose them forever.

How and who is going to determine the breed?

 

[AAABatteries]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I think that's a problem that won't be able to be overcome if this were ever a serious conversation. Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"? I do think it makes sense to consider making it illegal to breed pit bulls and let the breed slowly die off. I couldn't support doing anything across the board when there's people who own them and love them and give them good homes.

This will sound ridiculous but maybe have a registered pit bull list so people can know if their neighbors own one. If you get caught with an unregistered pit bull you either get a fine or maybe get it taken away?

I just know it's a scary thought that my kid could just be walking down the street or playing in our yard and be attacked and lose them forever.

How and who is going to determine the breed?

- I don't know - that's why I said this:

Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"

 

[AAABatteries]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

Spayed

Bob Barker alias?

 

[Ignoramus]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

Spayed

Nah, he had it right the first time.

 

[datonn]

Surprised thousands on the far-Right of the political spectrum aren't racing to this guy's defense...talking about Big Government infringing upon his freedom by not letting him be the one to decide whether or not to own dangerous dogs. And as for the previous attacks and the woman who got mauled to death, she was "free" to walk on the other side of the street (other side of town?), move to a different town, et al. Right?! Since, you know....this guy's freedom to own dogs is more important (more protected under the Constitution?) than her right to life, liberty, and happiness.

In all seriousness though, I'm glad said idiot got the book thrown at him (though too late, from the sounds of it). And every time some drunk hits someone with their car...every time some gun owner has their weapon used to intimidate/scare or injure/kill others? I wish courts would do the same. Freedom isn't free. Freedom also comes with personal responsibility. And freedoms exercised without responsibility = taking away the freedom of others around us. Taking away their right to (at least) life and happiness. So #### all those selfish ###holes who think (and act like) their freedoms are somehow more "important" than those of others around them.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I think that's a problem that won't be able to be overcome if this were ever a serious conversation. Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"? I do think it makes sense to consider making it illegal to breed pit bulls and let the breed slowly die off. I couldn't support doing anything across the board when there's people who own them and love them and give them good homes.

This will sound ridiculous but maybe have a registered pit bull list so people can know if their neighbors own one. If you get caught with an unregistered pit bull you either get a fine or maybe get it taken away?

I just know it's a scary thought that my kid could just be walking down the street or playing in our yard and be attacked and lose them forever.

How and who is going to determine the breed?

- I don't know - that's why I said this:

Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

 

[AAABatteries]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

 

[NutterButter]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

I'm pretty torn on this whole issue. What "other dangerous breeds" are you referring to?

I think that's a problem that won't be able to be overcome if this were ever a serious conversation. Is there a cutoff on the number of deaths that qualify a dog as being "dangerous"? I do think it makes sense to consider making it illegal to breed pit bulls and let the breed slowly die off. I couldn't support doing anything across the board when there's people who own them and love them and give them good homes.

This will sound ridiculous but maybe have a registered pit bull list so people can know if their neighbors own one. If you get caught with an unregistered pit bull you either get a fine or maybe get it taken away?

I just know it's a scary thought that my kid could just be walking down the street or playing in our yard and be attacked and lose them forever.

How and who is going to determine the breed?

We can use Obama's death panels

 

[NutterButter]

I personally think all pit bulls and other dangerous breeds need to be spaded and neutered so we can rid ourselves of these monsters.

Good luck with that. You'll get no resistance from animal rescues. They'd like to see every dog fixed.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

 

[pollardsvision]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

And to your original point, even that wouldn't do much. AmStaff's and Pits aren't very big dogs.

 

[AAABatteries]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

Fatty shaming!

Seriously though - that would be A LOT of dogs wouldn't it? I have no clue what the answer is but it seems like it's something that is preventable to a degree. If it was something where only the owners could get hurt by it then I would have no problem with allowing folks to own whatever they want but since there's no guarantee to others won't be injured/killed I think some action needs to take place.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

Fatty shaming!

Seriously though - that would be A LOT of dogs wouldn't it? I have no clue what the answer is but it seems like it's something that is preventable to a degree. If it was something where only the owners could get hurt by it then I would have no problem with allowing folks to own whatever they want but since there's no guarantee to others won't be injured/killed I think some action needs to take place.

That would be millions of dogs.

"Easiest" solution is to license owners and hold them accountable like in this case... just not wait for the 18th time.

 

[eoMMan]

But but but golden retrievers can bite too!!!

Very true.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

And to your original point, even that wouldn't do much. AmStaff's and Pits aren't very big dogs.

Pits weigh a lot though even though they aren't the biggest. Agreed that it isnt a perfect solution but is better than trying to ban the breed.

 

[NutterButter]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

Fatty shaming!

Seriously though - that would be A LOT of dogs wouldn't it? I have no clue what the answer is but it seems like it's something that is preventable to a degree. If it was something where only the owners could get hurt by it then I would have no problem with allowing folks to own whatever they want but since there's no guarantee to others won't be injured/killed I think some action needs to take place.

That would be millions of dogs.

"Easiest" solution is to license owners and hold them accountable like in this case... just not wait for the 18th time.

Holding people accountable is so un-american. Any other ideas?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

Fatty shaming!

Seriously though - that would be A LOT of dogs wouldn't it? I have no clue what the answer is but it seems like it's something that is preventable to a degree. If it was something where only the owners could get hurt by it then I would have no problem with allowing folks to own whatever they want but since there's no guarantee to others won't be injured/killed I think some action needs to take place.

That would be millions of dogs."Easiest" solution is to license owners and hold them accountable like in this case... just not wait for the 18th time.

Holding people accountable is so un-american. Any other ideas?

#####, complain and take a hard line stance with zero knowledge on the topic then eat some twinkies.

 

[NutterButter]

I was referring to registering pitbulls. How do you determine if a dog is pitbull?

My mistake - yes, I thought of that and I don't know the answer.

No one that wants to exterminate/register the breed does either which is the problem. It's a futile exercise. If people pushed for dogs over X pounds to be registered and require a license, I could understand that.

Fatty shaming!

Seriously though - that would be A LOT of dogs wouldn't it? I have no clue what the answer is but it seems like it's something that is preventable to a degree. If it was something where only the owners could get hurt by it then I would have no problem with allowing folks to own whatever they want but since there's no guarantee to others won't be injured/killed I think some action needs to take place.

That would be millions of dogs."Easiest" solution is to license owners and hold them accountable like in this case... just not wait for the 18th time.

Holding people accountable is so un-american. Any other ideas?

#####, complain and take a hard line stance with zero knowledge on the topic then eat some twinkies.

Now we're talking

 

[joffer]

Not about size, it's about the amount of force their jaw can generate and temperament.

 

[NutterButter]

Not about size, it's about the amount of force their jaw can generate and temperament.

If we're talking temparament, I haven't met a rescue pit that wasn't as sweet as pie. That doesn't mean that pit couldn't wreck you if it wanted to. Jaw strength is certainly a factor, but how do you measure that.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Not about size, it's about the amount of force their jaw can generate and temperament.

Every dog has a different temperament regardless of breed. Rotties and Shepherds have a stronger bite than pits if i recall corectly.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

If this happened every time, people would start to think twice about owning a dangerous dog.