Draft Day Clarity (2 Viewers)

[sushinsky4tsar]

Looking for some unexpected draft day decisions that you made on the clock that might have surprised you this year.

This can also be a draft-day clarity thread. Did you go to bed stressing out about a decision that you knew you had to make, settle on a guy that didn't sound right, wake up the next morning feeling perfectly okay with that decision? Maybe that decision even reverted when put to the test on the clock?

Our commish finally set our rookie dynasty draft for tonight. I decided I'm taking Egbuka over both Tetairoa and Hunter if those are my options at 1.5. Didn't feel right last night. Slept on it and feels perfectly fine. I think the ceiling is nearly as good with a floor that offers a little more safety. Short of injury, I don't see a scenario where he's not a fixture in my lineup for years. It doesn't hurt that I have Godwin on roster, but that's not the reason I'm going against the grain.

1. Jeanty
2. Henderson
3. Hampton
4. Egbuka
5. McMillan

 

[efactor]

Looking for some unexpected draft day decisions that you made on the clock that might have surprised you this year.

This can also be a draft-day clarity thread. Did you go to bed stressing out about a decision that you knew you had to make, settle on a guy that didn't sound right, wake up the next morning feeling perfectly okay with that decision? Maybe that decision even reverted when put to the test on the clock?

Our commish finally set our rookie dynasty draft for tonight. I decided I'm taking Egbuka over both Tetairoa and Hunter if those are my options at 1.5. Didn't feel right last night. Slept on it and feels perfectly fine. I think the ceiling is nearly as good with a floor that offers a little more safety. Short of injury, I don't see a scenario where he's not a fixture in my lineup for years. It doesn't hurt that I have Godwin on roster, but that's not the reason I'm going against the grain.

1. Jeanty
2. Henderson
3. Hampton
4. Egbuka
5. McMillan

Certainly not an "insane" move. But Godwin isn't old and he will be back at some point this season. Evans isn't going away anytime soon IMO. I think he has a sense of his place in history and wants to play of one team his entire career. Also, he's the kind of big bodied receiver that won't fall off a cliff this year. McMillen will be out until mid season it sounds like, so Egbuka should have a big role until Godwin returns and a solid role after.

I just couldn't pass on Hunter to take him. Of course, I am in the camp of his main role will be WR, so if that is wrong, then I'm way off base. I just don't think Jacksonville traded up to #2 overall and gave up a crap load of draft capital to not have him as a virtual every down WR. Plus, having Thomas on the other side is only going to help.

As the Zen master said "we shall see"

 

[Gally]

But Godwin isn't old and he will be back at some point this season.

While Godwin may be back at some point this season there is no guarantee he is back to his pre-injury form. I don't see Godwin as a hinderance to Egbuka at all moving forward.

 

[efactor]

But Godwin isn't old and he will be back at some point this season.

While Godwin may be back at some point this season there is no guarantee he is back to his pre-injury form. I don't see Godwin as a hinderance to Egbuka at all moving forward.

Sooooooooooooo, you think Egbuka's target share will be the same with or without Godwin?

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one

 

[Gally]

But Godwin isn't old and he will be back at some point this season.

While Godwin may be back at some point this season there is no guarantee he is back to his pre-injury form. I don't see Godwin as a hinderance to Egbuka at all moving forward.

Sooooooooooooo, you think Egbuka's target share will be the same with or without Godwin?

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one

Until I see Godwin actually practice and move and be effective......I don't think he will be a threat. Since he isn't doing those things yet and is expected to miss at least 4 games to start the season I think Egbuka will establish himself and continue that once (if) Godwin comes back. Will his target share go down with Godwin? Of course. Will it make an overall difference in his FF value? i don't think so.

 

[Bronco Billy]

But Godwin isn't old and he will be back at some point this season.

While Godwin may be back at some point this season there is no guarantee he is back to his pre-injury form. I don't see Godwin as a hinderance to Egbuka at all moving forward.

That’s obviously a rookie list and it’s a dynasty league, meaning the OP is likely looking beyond this season in their decision making process.

While I also think the OP may be outthinking themselves a bit, especially regarding Hunter, I also believe that you go and get your guy, and if Egbuka is their guy then go get him.

 

[rockaction]

Count me with the OP and Gally about Egbuka over Hunter. Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear). All I hear about Egbuka are raves about his physical play and then his intelligence as a human, which is apparently off-the-charts for a football player. That’s significant. As far as Godwin goes, I think it’s incredibly bad news that he isn’t even running yet (?). That is much worse than just not good.

My contribution would be how highly I think of a rook (T. Henderson) and a vet for redraft (Kamara). Considering I traded Kamara last year as a contender I never would have thought of him as a viable mid-third redraft pick but I have and with gusto.

On the negative side, I really don’t want Tyreek Hill or (gasp) Derrick Henry.

 

[Gally]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

 

[rockaction]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

I don’t know. I don’t particularly love the guy in my league that has him, but if I had a vote it would probably only seem fair to give him CB eligibility. The one argument that could persuade me is that he will still get the tackles and points as a WR counted, so any completely unfair advantage gained via the CB positional designation is muted but isn’t all washed away.

I dunno. I can be convinced either way given that they (hopefully—don’t depend on me) will count his counting stats. Seems like a decent compromise but I have a conflict of interest there in that I don’t have him. I’m admittedly biased.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

We’re on mfl and WRs can score both D and ST points in the way we are set up. It is an IDP league.

 

[rockaction]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

We’re on mfl and WRs can score both D and ST points in the way we are set up. It is an IDP league.

Right. If you read my response to Gally I address that. It’s just that you can’t plug him into the CB positional designation, which is a big limitation, I think.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

We’re on mfl and WRs can score both D and ST points in the way we are set up. It is an IDP league.

Right. If you read my response to Gally I address that. It’s just that you can’t plug him into the CB positional designation, which is a big limitation, I think.

Agreed

 

[Gally]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

We’re on mfl and WRs can score both D and ST points in the way we are set up. It is an IDP league.

Right. If you read my response to Gally I address that. It’s just that you can’t plug him into the CB positional designation, which is a big limitation, I think.

I actually think it's good that he is WR only because he gains a much bigger advantage if you can use him at DB. I think as WR only it lessens his two way impact in FF.

For my IDP league all players get credit for all stats accrued. A QB tackles the guy that intercepted him he gets credit for a tackle. A DL plays TE at the goal line and catches a TD pass. He gets credited with a TD.

As for the position designation, Jax has him as a primary WR and a backup DB. so MFL having him at WR makes sense. If that changes and he becomes a primary DB then MFL should change accordingly. Our league by-laws state the MFL designated position is final.

 

[rockaction]

Hunter isn’t getting IDP points on MFL (I hear).

Why not? He will in my league. It's all about the setup. However, in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

We’re on mfl and WRs can score both D and ST points in the way we are set up. It is an IDP league.

Right. If you read my response to Gally I address that. It’s just that you can’t plug him into the CB positional designation, which is a big limitation, I think.

I actually think it's good that he is WR only because he gains a much bigger advantage if you can use him at DB. I think as WR only it lessens his two way impact in FF.

For my IDP league all players get credit for all stats accrued. A QB tackles the guy that intercepted him he gets credit for a tackle. A DL plays TE at the goal line and catches a TD pass. He gets credited with a TD.

As for the position designation, Jax has him as a primary WR and a backup DB. so MFL having him at WR makes sense. If that changes and he becomes a primary DB then MFL should change accordingly. Our league by-laws state the MFL designated position is final.

Oh, okay. I know he gets all the points. I thought you wanted CB eligibility. I still am having trouble coming up with a consistent argument why he shouldn’t have CB eligibility but sometimes the internally consistent can render everything else useless when enacted,

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

in MFL he is only eligible to play as a WR in your lineup.

That’s the value killer, IMO. Sure, it’s nice to get an extra 3-8 points from his sparse use as a DB from the WR position.

But he’s an absolute cheat code if you can start a WR in the CB position. Weakest scoring position becomes an instant potential league winner even if he’s just a WR2.

Incidentally Sleeper appears to have given him dual eligibility.

 

[rockaction]

Oh wow. I just went back and read my post. I screwed this conversation up. Sorry. I did not mean his points don’t count. You can’t play him at CB and get those positional point levels for him. He gets WR point levels for IDP stats. Huge difference in what I thought I said and what I actually wrote. Mea culpa

 

[Ilov80s]

Egbuka over Tet is getting cute but it's not indefensible by any stretch. Ebguka over Hunter makes plenty of sense. Evans turns 32 tomorrow, there just can't be too much left there and even if he is able to stay the same player for another 2 seasons, he's playing a totally different role from Egbuka. Godwin is a real wildcard. The injury is pretty bad. I just heard Matt Harmon talking about it and let this put it in some perspective for you:

- Before games, Aiyuk is running around, catching passes from Purdy, going through his route tree and Shanahn has said they aren't even entertaining the idea of him playing yet,
- Godwin hasn't even been allowed to jog yet. That makes me thing it's going to be a long while before we see him on the field and it makes me think we don't see prime Godwin again this year if ever.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I should have clarified my OP. Non-IDP league. Not sure if Hunter is or isn't double-dipping if it was an IDP, but it's irrelevant for my situation. Hunter the defender is only going to limit and complicate his fantasy upside as my fantasy WR, even factoring some unique benefits for how it will help him develop at WR. I also count BTJ as a factor that might limit fantasy WR ceiling, but that will cut both ways and I'm certain there will be some explosive offensive plays as a result of playing opposite BTJ.

Between the unique challenge of having your WR play two-way and BTJ, I have come around to T-Mac ahead of Hunter. Speaking strictly in terms of my vanilla fantasy league settings. It's not any slight to Hunter the football player.

 

[Saint]

So the real question from the OP is Egbuka vs T-Mac/Hunter or other RBs that are there. The assumption is Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson are off the board. 1.4 could be one of the receivers. Personally, I like the reports on Tet for long-term. I think Egbuka is great too, so you really can't go wrong, but I think if there is a chance for a WR to be an alpha receiver and dominate the targets, I think Tet is in a better position to dominance vs the competition that Egbuka would have in TB.

Hunter is an enigma to me. I love his potential, but I think BJr isn't going away.

So I would rank: Tet, Egbuka, Hunter.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

So the real question from the OP is Egbuka vs T-Mac/Hunter or other RBs that are there. The assumption is Jeanty, Hampton, and Henderson are off the board. 1.4 could be one of the receivers. Personally, I like the reports on Tet for long-term. I think Egbuka is great too, so you really can't go wrong, but I think if there is a chance for a WR to be an alpha receiver and dominate the targets, I think Tet is in a better position to dominance vs the competition that Egbuka would have in TB.

Hunter is an enigma to me. I love his potential, but I think BJr isn't going away.

So I would rank: Tet, Egbuka, Hunter.

I have to admit to feeling a little bit spurned by this prolific RB class that just didn't materialize for this spot of the draft. Double-RB is what the doctor ordered for what ails my team at 1.1 & 1.5. I don't think Johnson has done nearly enough to think about taking a 3rd round RB there. I could live with Harvey as a 1B entering year one if he's 21.5, but not at 24.5.

Judkins was the plan. I can still make a really strong case for sticking to the plan and taking him at 1.5 with all the baggage. I don't think there were character concerns before this incident(?) I think he's probably still a pretty solid long-term dynasty asset once the investigation concludes and even if he gets hit with a few games. Just feels like taking on a lot of crap to use a 1.5 pick on someone that some viewed as a slight reach for that spot even before his first season got derailed. He is young enough that it will amount to a big nothing once he's back on the team -- provided that's it's a complete one-off for his character. And I probably also have to believe the Browns offense won't be a complete disaster for the next two to three seasons. Maybe it will be.

Feels like Jeanty and Egbuka (or T-Mac) is a solid pivot. Maybe Harvey, KJ, or even Judkins falls unexpectedly to me at 1.12. If not, maybe Skattebo at 2.3 is the RB3 I desperately need.

 

[darksideofoz]

Oh wow. I just went back and read my post. I screwed this conversation up. Sorry. I did not mean his points don’t count. You can’t play him at CB and get those positional point levels for him. He gets WR point levels for IDP stats. Huge difference in what I thought I said and what I actually wrote. Mea culpa

MFL uses the position designations the NFL uses. The NFL historically hasn't given dual position designations.

The limitation with MFL is you can't add additional positional designations if a league wanted to. You can only change them.

 

[Runkle]

I'd love to get Egbuka for sure. But, if another owner reaches and overpays for him early... I'm not upset about missing out.