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[Sigmund Bloom]

Bloom's Top 10 TEs

Baca's Top 10 TEs

Lammeys Top 10 TEs

Ill have mine up by the end of the day, Cecil's to follow.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Top 10 TEs

Ill have mine up by the end of the day, Cecil's to follow.

I like the top-6 but think after that, theres a sharp dropoff and a crapshoot to pick out a gem. However, there are some names that I like and dont like in this list. And some I dont see.--Joe Newton. Athleticism has been an issue, especially now that he has put on weight. It really did show especially with his 40 time. Game film will save the day for him however, and I still think he may be a late- Day 1 prospect. I thought he had a nice vert though...but evidently didnt test.

--On the other hand, very unimpressed with Martrez Milner. He was supposed to be one of the bigger movers today and, bluntly, blew his chance. Film will show great size, speed and body control but the biggest area of concern was the fact that he was so green and it showed at the combine- several dropped passes, blowing pass protection etc. However, he is viewed as a WIP and should be drafted on athletic ability alone (a la George Wrighster) but may have dropped significantly by posting a pretty pedestrian 40, and not showing having a good showing with the weights.

--Matt Spaeth should be a mover come draft day as well. Didnt work out at the combine because of a shoulder injury- which will ultimately determine where he is drafted. Since his value is primarily as a blocker and a big red zone target, that shoulder will mean everything. If he can return (look for his pro day) to form, he will be a beast. And should still go day 1.

--Dont sleep on Derek Schouman. Just look at the sparkling numbers he put up at his workout. Very nearly the top in each category. The staff over at Boisie raved about his progression following his true freshman year where he lit it up. College production was limited by a lingering injury he had through sophmore and junior years but rebounded this year with a solid effort. Superb blocker and a speedy and reliable pass catcher. But one big hit after another took him out for a while and he seemed to recover this year. If he can get back to this level of playing, he could be very special with the right teaching. Upside galore. Game film will be the key to drafting this guy. He's someone Id like to see on this list. popcorn.gif

--Johnny Harline is another person who I'd like to see here. He and Beck had a fantastic run this year and he really came through in the clutch more than once, including a stellar bowl game. Keep in mind he has all but erased any doubts about his ACL, which was torn 3 years ago. Prior to that, he had an incredible season at Ricks College (which changed its name to BYU). Really came on in the 2nd half of the season and really meshed with fellow draftee Daniel Coats- who was primarily a blocker in 2TE sets.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Top 10 TEs

Ill have mine up by the end of the day, Cecil's to follow.

I like the top-6 but think after that, theres a sharp dropoff and a crapshoot to pick out a gem. However, there are some names that I like and dont like in this list. And some I dont see.--Joe Newton. Athleticism has been an issue, especially now that he has put on weight. It really did show especially with his 40 time. Game film will save the day for him however, and I still think he may be a late- Day 1 prospect. I thought he had a nice vert though...but evidently didnt test.

--On the other hand, very unimpressed with Martrez Milner. He was supposed to be one of the bigger movers today and, bluntly, blew his chance. Film will show great size, speed and body control but the biggest area of concern was the fact that he was so green and it showed at the combine- several dropped passes, blowing pass protection etc. However, he is viewed as a WIP and should be drafted on athletic ability alone (a la George Wrighster) but may have dropped significantly by posting a pretty pedestrian 40, and not showing having a good showing with the weights.

--Matt Spaeth should be a mover come draft day as well. Didnt work out at the combine because of a shoulder injury- which will ultimately determine where he is drafted. Since his value is primarily as a blocker and a big red zone target, that shoulder will mean everything. If he can return (look for his pro day) to form, he will be a beast. And should still go day 1.

--Dont sleep on Derek Schouman. Just look at the sparkling numbers he put up at his workout. Very nearly the top in each category. The staff over at Boisie raved about his progression following his true freshman year where he lit it up. College production was limited by a lingering injury he had through sophmore and junior years but rebounded this year with a solid effort. Superb blocker and a speedy and reliable pass catcher. But one big hit after another took him out for a while and he seemed to recover this year. If he can get back to this level of playing, he could be very special with the right teaching. Upside galore. Game film will be the key to drafting this guy. He's someone Id like to see on this list. popcorn.gif

--Johnny Harline is another person who I'd like to see here. He and Beck had a fantastic run this year and he really came through in the clutch more than once, including a stellar bowl game. Keep in mind he has all but erased any doubts about his ACL, which was torn 3 years ago. Prior to that, he had an incredible season at Ricks College (which changed its name to BYU). Really came on in the 2nd half of the season and really meshed with fellow draftee Daniel Coats- who was primarily a blocker in 2TE sets.

Im pretty much with you on Spaeth and Newton being a much better investment than Milner. Schouman, I am not sure where he fits in (FB?), but he is an impressive athlete.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Bloom / Sean - this name came up in the Eagles thread.

Tim Calhoun - Eastern Washington.

Anything?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Ben Patrick.

Rock solid.

Fightin' Blue Hens - he's going to be a "sleeper" for many that just tune into the Draft, but you'll know about him way early here. He's a good one.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Ben Patrick. Rock solid.Fightin' Blue Hens - he's going to be a "sleeper" for many that just tune into the Draft, but you'll know about him way early here. He's a good one.

He's my #2 TE. My rankings should be up very soon!And Olsen is #3. :whoosh:

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Ben Patrick.

Rock solid.

Fightin' Blue Hens - he's going to be a "sleeper" for many that just tune into the Draft, but you'll know about him way early here. He's a good one.

He's my #2 TE. My rankings should be up very soon!

And Olsen is #3.

The Rest of Lammey's Top 10 TEs

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Greg Olsen is one of the great UM TEs in the past 10 years including Franks, Shockey, and Winslow. I know a lot about him and his folks. Olsen played two ways on the football field when he was younger and could have been a DE had he desired...also played power forward for his BBall team. Tony Gonzalez was a Basketball guy too...not saying they are the same but Olsen is very athletic. He transferred from Notre Dame, and Olsen was good when he got to the "U"...Miami has been spiraling the past 2 seasons, he was one of the bright spots. He is being talked about as a possible top15 pick in the NFL(Carolina), and for very good reason. I have to say that I really disagree with Lammey on this point and find it truly befuddling why Cecil would not have Olsen ranked #1 or #2 at best. Are we talking FF here? Cause he will catch more balls than most if not all from this class. He lead his team in receptions with 40 for almost 500 yds...he had 1 TD...so did Winslow his Senior year as well IIRC.

Bloom seemed to affirm this. Cecil, I say this to you, how can you think Tyrone Moss is a possible diamond in the rough and Greg Olsen is not the #1 TE coming out of college this season? Did you watch much of the Miami games this season? What Olsen did at the combine was not a miracle, most of the beat writers down here know that Olsen is very fast for a TE. He has had a very mediocre QB chucking him the ball the past 2 years. IIRC when Olsen was a (RS) Freshman he was doing fine and people were talking about him breaking a lot of records by good players. What happened the last 2 seasons at Miami? They went 15-9, the team stunk, and now its all Olsen's fault why he didn't succeed as much as he should have in an offense that was downright offensive the past 2 years.

What Olsen has trouble with and I think this will be correctable is his ability to react when the blitz is on or he is needed in a very fast hot route. That is something he can adjust to on the Pro Level.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Greg Olsen is one of the great UM TEs in the past 10 years including Franks, Shockey, and Winslow. I know a lot about him and his folks. Olsen played two ways on the football field when he was younger and could have been a DE had he desired...also played power forward for his BBall team. Tony Gonzalez was a Basketball guy too...not saying they are the same but Olsen is very athletic. He transferred from Notre Dame, and Olsen was good when he got to the "U"...Miami has been spiraling the past 2 seasons, he was one of the bright spots. He is being talked about as a possible top15 pick in the NFL(Carolina), and for very good reason. I have to say that I really disagree with Lammey on this point and find it truly befuddling why Cecil would not have Olsen ranked #1 or #2 at best. Are we talking FF here? Cause he will catch more balls than most if not all from this class. He lead his team in receptions with 40 for almost 500 yds...he had 1 TD...so did Winslow his Senior year as well IIRC. Bloom seemed to affirm this. Cecil, I say this to you, how can you think Tyrone Moss is a possible diamond in the rough and Greg Olsen is not the #1 TE coming out of college this season? Did you watch much of the Miami games this season? What Olsen did at the combine was not a miracle, most of the beat writers down here know that Olsen is very fast for a TE. He has had a very mediocre QB chucking him the ball the past 2 years. IIRC when Olsen was a (RS) Freshman he was doing fine and people were talking about him breaking a lot of records by good players. What happened the last 2 seasons at Miami? They went 15-9, the team stunk, and now its all Olsen's fault why he didn't succeed as much as he should have in an offense that was downright offensive the past 2 years.What Olsen has trouble with and I think this will be correctable is his ability to react when the blitz is on or he is needed in a very fast hot route. That is something he can adjust to on the Pro Level.

GB the voice of reason!!! Having Olsen ranked 3rd made me completely stop looking at his ranking altogether. I would venture to say he hasn't watched more than one game from the U. Just a guess... If he had, he would realize that the whole passing game has suffered greatly in the last few years. Matter of fact the entire offense has suffered and that is the one of the MAIN reason Coker is now gone. It's not Olsen's fault, all you have to do is look at who has been throwing him the ball and then add in the play calling.

 

[Sean Baca]

Bloom / Sean - this name came up in the Eagles thread.Tim Calhoun - Eastern Washington.Anything?

I see a guy who works hard enough to possibly be given a chance. He is a strong player and a sound blockerwho will probably be a special teamer as teams try to fit him in. He's a good athlete and better blocker butwill need to earn his way, every inch.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Greg Olsen is one of the great UM TEs in the past 10 years including Franks, Shockey, and Winslow. I know a lot about him and his folks. Olsen played two ways on the football field when he was younger and could have been a DE had he desired...also played power forward for his BBall team. Tony Gonzalez was a Basketball guy too...not saying they are the same but Olsen is very athletic. He transferred from Notre Dame, and Olsen was good when he got to the "U"...Miami has been spiraling the past 2 seasons, he was one of the bright spots. He is being talked about as a possible top15 pick in the NFL(Carolina), and for very good reason. I have to say that I really disagree with Lammey on this point and find it truly befuddling why Cecil would not have Olsen ranked #1 or #2 at best. Are we talking FF here? Cause he will catch more balls than most if not all from this class. He lead his team in receptions with 40 for almost 500 yds...he had 1 TD...so did Winslow his Senior year as well IIRC. Bloom seemed to affirm this. Cecil, I say this to you, how can you think Tyrone Moss is a possible diamond in the rough and Greg Olsen is not the #1 TE coming out of college this season? Did you watch much of the Miami games this season? What Olsen did at the combine was not a miracle, most of the beat writers down here know that Olsen is very fast for a TE. He has had a very mediocre QB chucking him the ball the past 2 years. IIRC when Olsen was a (RS) Freshman he was doing fine and people were talking about him breaking a lot of records by good players. What happened the last 2 seasons at Miami? They went 15-9, the team stunk, and now its all Olsen's fault why he didn't succeed as much as he should have in an offense that was downright offensive the past 2 years.What Olsen has trouble with and I think this will be correctable is his ability to react when the blitz is on or he is needed in a very fast hot route. That is something he can adjust to on the Pro Level.

GB the voice of reason!!! Having Olsen ranked 3rd made me completely stop looking at his ranking altogether. I would venture to say he hasn't watched more than one game from the U. Just a guess... If he had, he would realize that the whole passing game has suffered greatly in the last few years. Matter of fact the entire offense has suffered and that is the one of the MAIN reason Coker is now gone. It's not Olsen's fault, all you have to do is look at who has been throwing him the ball and then add in the play calling.

Many people consider Miller to be a better overall prospect. Keep in mind also that while Olson is a beast, and I do expect him to be taken as the #1 TE off the board, he did underperform at Miami. Due to the scheme or QB troubles Im not too sure. Heart and character seem to be two huge issues- especially when Miami was in the pits of their season. Seems to be a trend with these Miami TE's - precedent being Shockey, Winslow III, Franks (well maybe not character for him). But it doesnt change the fact that all are excellent athletes that do just fine in the NFL. Olsen is a more pure reciever than miller and with the premium on pass catching TE's- see last year's draft, I see him going fairly early. Certainly not, however, IMHO the #3 option this year. Ben Patrick hype has reached a new level in these forums.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Ben Patrick hype has reached a new level in these forums.

We are a bit giddy about him, but the curve has caught with us. Many well respected draftniks have Patrick as the #3 TE now. Anyone who listens to the Audible saw this coming back in mid-January.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I have to say that I really disagree with Lammey on this point and find it truly befuddling why Cecil would not have Olsen ranked #1 or #2 at best. Are we talking FF here? Cause he will catch more balls than most if not all from this class. He lead his team in receptions with 40 for almost 500 yds...he had 1 TD...so did Winslow his Senior year as well IIRC.

MoP, you know you're my boy, it just looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree. Olsen will be the 1st TE taken, and more than likely at the top of the 1st round. My ranking of Olsen has to do with my belief in Ben Patrick, and my feeling that Olsen will disappoint at the next level.Why will he disappoint?

He's never shown much on the field. On the other hand Kellen Winslow flashed OUT OF THIS WORLD ability. Winslow made a catch at Miami (one hand, outreached, behind him) that Big Sean Baca still talks about to this day! Shockey was very exciting to watch. Bubba was solid, yet unspectacular. I see Olsen being more Franks than Shockey/Winslow, even though athletically he matches up more with the latter two.

Yes, Kyle Wright is a terrible QB (I had high hopes for that kid), but when watching film and keying on Olsen I see a player that lacks the fire I believe he will need to make the most of his potential. Potential is a dirty, filthy word. Olsen does have the highest ceiling of the 2007 TE's, but will he reach it?

Bloom seemed to affirm this. Cecil, I say this to you, how can you think Tyrone Moss is a possible diamond in the rough and Greg Olsen is not the #1 TE coming out of college this season?

I love Tyrone Moss, plain and simple. He is the type of RB that I enjoy watching most (power,instinct). By no means am I calling Olsen a BUST, I just believe that he rates as the 3rd best TE in this draft. In my opinion he is not heads and shoulders above the competition. It's not like he's the Calvin Johnson of TE's. He is very good, very athletic - but he also has character concerns, and he never put it together on the field, and in my opinion didn't flash big time playmaking ability.

What Olsen has trouble with and I think this will be correctable is his ability to react when the blitz is on or he is needed in a very fast hot route. That is something he can adjust to on the Pro Level.

I would definitely agree with this statement. He can correct his blitz recognition with proper coaching.I will toss this out there for the Olsen believers....would Zach Miller at #3 even raise any eyebrows?

Love the debate guys, keep it going!

 

[Cecil Lammey]

GB the voice of reason!!! Having Olsen ranked 3rd made me completely stop looking at his ranking altogether. I would venture to say he hasn't watched more than one game from the U. Just a guess... If he had, he would realize that the whole passing game has suffered greatly in the last few years. Matter of fact the entire offense has suffered and that is the one of the MAIN reason Coker is now gone. It's not Olsen's fault, all you have to do is look at who has been throwing him the ball and then add in the play calling.

Looking at my archives, I only missed recording/watching 3 Miami games this year. Here's what I have:Mon. Sep. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Florida State 10-13 L Sat. Sep. 16 3:30 p.m. ET at Louisville 7-31 L Sat. Sep. 30 6:00 p.m. ET Houston 14-13 W Sat. Oct. 7 12:00 p.m. ET North Carolina 27-7 W Sat. Oct. 28 3:30 p.m. ET at Georgia Tech 23-30 L Sat. Nov. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Virginia Tech 10-17 L Sat. Nov. 11 3:30 p.m. ET at Maryland 13-14 L Sat. Nov. 18 12:00 p.m. ET at Virginia 7-17 L Thu. Nov. 23 8:00 p.m. ET Boston College 17-14 W Sun. Dec. 31 7:30 p.m. ET at Nevada 21-20 W The last game he played (MPC Computer Bowl) he only had 2 catches for 45 yards (a very good ypc I will admit).His best game was against Georgia Tech, 5-91-1TD The passing game did suffer, Coker's offense was unoriginal at best - however - I wanted to see more flashes on the field. Regardless of the QB play, or the offense. I wanted to see flashes where I thought, "Yeah, this kid can be big in the NFL." (think Lorenzo Booker here - plenty of flashes amongst his lackluster stat line)Olsen is a great athlete, no question there. He doesn't have the long speed that one may expect from a converted WR. He needs work on blitz recognition, he needs more fire (shockey has plenty!).

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Ben Patrick hype has reached a new level in these forums.

We are a bit giddy about him, but the curve has caught with us. Many well respected draftniks have Patrick as the #3 TE now. Anyone who listens to the Audible saw this coming back in mid-January.

Ben Patrick and Paul Williams were at both the Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl. Having seen both weeks of practice we saw Patrick stand out in Houston and Mobile. Williams, however, only stood out against lesser competition (Houston), and looked VERY average in Mobile.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have to say that I really disagree with Lammey on this point and find it truly befuddling why Cecil would not have Olsen ranked #1 or #2 at best. Are we talking FF here? Cause he will catch more balls than most if not all from this class. He lead his team in receptions with 40 for almost 500 yds...he had 1 TD...so did Winslow his Senior year as well IIRC.

MoP, you know you're my boy, it just looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree. Olsen will be the 1st TE taken, and more than likely at the top of the 1st round. My ranking of Olsen has to do with my belief in Ben Patrick, and my feeling that Olsen will disappoint at the next level.Why will he disappoint?

He's never shown much on the field. On the other hand Kellen Winslow flashed OUT OF THIS WORLD ability. Winslow made a catch at Miami (one hand, outreached, behind him) that Big Sean Baca still talks about to this day! Shockey was very exciting to watch. Bubba was solid, yet unspectacular. I see Olsen being more Franks than Shockey/Winslow, even though athletically he matches up more with the latter two.

Yes, Kyle Wright is a terrible QB (I had high hopes for that kid), but when watching film and keying on Olsen I see a player that lacks the fire I believe he will need to make the most of his potential. Potential is a dirty, filthy word. Olsen does have the highest ceiling of the 2007 TE's, but will he reach it?

Bloom seemed to affirm this. Cecil, I say this to you, how can you think Tyrone Moss is a possible diamond in the rough and Greg Olsen is not the #1 TE coming out of college this season?

I love Tyrone Moss, plain and simple. He is the type of RB that I enjoy watching most (power,instinct). By no means am I calling Olsen a BUST, I just believe that he rates as the 3rd best TE in this draft. In my opinion he is not heads and shoulders above the competition. It's not like he's the Calvin Johnson of TE's. He is very good, very athletic - but he also has character concerns, and he never put it together on the field, and in my opinion didn't flash big time playmaking ability.

What Olsen has trouble with and I think this will be correctable is his ability to react when the blitz is on or he is needed in a very fast hot route. That is something he can adjust to on the Pro Level.

I would definitely agree with this statement. He can correct his blitz recognition with proper coaching.I will toss this out there for the Olsen believers....would Zach Miller at #3 even raise any eyebrows?

Love the debate guys, keep it going!

You could have taken what I wrote personally. Props for not going that route. I appreciate you further explaining how you feel. You're right that we will agree to disagree and there isn't a damn thing wrong with that. I give you a lot of credit for that post.

 

[Bizkiteer]

GB the voice of reason!!! Having Olsen ranked 3rd made me completely stop looking at his ranking altogether. I would venture to say he hasn't watched more than one game from the U. Just a guess... If he had, he would realize that the whole passing game has suffered greatly in the last few years. Matter of fact the entire offense has suffered and that is the one of the MAIN reason Coker is now gone. It's not Olsen's fault, all you have to do is look at who has been throwing him the ball and then add in the play calling.

Looking at my archives, I only missed recording/watching 3 Miami games this year. Here's what I have:Mon. Sep. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Florida State 10-13 L Sat. Sep. 16 3:30 p.m. ET at Louisville 7-31 L Sat. Sep. 30 6:00 p.m. ET Houston 14-13 W Sat. Oct. 7 12:00 p.m. ET North Carolina 27-7 W Sat. Oct. 28 3:30 p.m. ET at Georgia Tech 23-30 L Sat. Nov. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Virginia Tech 10-17 L Sat. Nov. 11 3:30 p.m. ET at Maryland 13-14 L Sat. Nov. 18 12:00 p.m. ET at Virginia 7-17 L Thu. Nov. 23 8:00 p.m. ET Boston College 17-14 W Sun. Dec. 31 7:30 p.m. ET at Nevada 21-20 W The last game he played (MPC Computer Bowl) he only had 2 catches for 45 yards (a very good ypc I will admit).His best game was against Georgia Tech, 5-91-1TD The passing game did suffer, Coker's offense was unoriginal at best - however - I wanted to see more flashes on the field. Regardless of the QB play, or the offense. I wanted to see flashes where I thought, "Yeah, this kid can be big in the NFL." (think Lorenzo Booker here - plenty of flashes amongst his lackluster stat line)Olsen is a great athlete, no question there. He doesn't have the long speed that one may expect from a converted WR. He needs work on blitz recognition, he needs more fire (shockey has plenty!).

Well, I think it's fine to be to be high on certain players and such. I appreciate your response and explaination, which you didn't have to do. I think it's fair to say that with the past TE's at the U, they were show cased more and they would go back to the well often in their cases. Coker's offense lacked for many reasons, but I'll stop beating that horse...giddy up. I think ranking your more chosen one's higher than other is okay, but I just found ranking Olsen 3rd in such a weak TE class wasn't crediable. Again, if he had been #2...might not agree, but would have found it interesting. Here's to the U finding their way again!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

GB the voice of reason!!! Having Olsen ranked 3rd made me completely stop looking at his ranking altogether. I would venture to say he hasn't watched more than one game from the U. Just a guess... If he had, he would realize that the whole passing game has suffered greatly in the last few years. Matter of fact the entire offense has suffered and that is the one of the MAIN reason Coker is now gone. It's not Olsen's fault, all you have to do is look at who has been throwing him the ball and then add in the play calling.

Looking at my archives, I only missed recording/watching 3 Miami games this year. Here's what I have:Mon. Sep. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Florida State 10-13 L Sat. Sep. 16 3:30 p.m. ET at Louisville 7-31 L Sat. Sep. 30 6:00 p.m. ET Houston 14-13 W Sat. Oct. 7 12:00 p.m. ET North Carolina 27-7 W Sat. Oct. 28 3:30 p.m. ET at Georgia Tech 23-30 L Sat. Nov. 4 8:00 p.m. ET Virginia Tech 10-17 L Sat. Nov. 11 3:30 p.m. ET at Maryland 13-14 L Sat. Nov. 18 12:00 p.m. ET at Virginia 7-17 L Thu. Nov. 23 8:00 p.m. ET Boston College 17-14 W Sun. Dec. 31 7:30 p.m. ET at Nevada 21-20 W The last game he played (MPC Computer Bowl) he only had 2 catches for 45 yards (a very good ypc I will admit).His best game was against Georgia Tech, 5-91-1TD The passing game did suffer, Coker's offense was unoriginal at best - however - I wanted to see more flashes on the field. Regardless of the QB play, or the offense. I wanted to see flashes where I thought, "Yeah, this kid can be big in the NFL." (think Lorenzo Booker here - plenty of flashes amongst his lackluster stat line)Olsen is a great athlete, no question there. He doesn't have the long speed that one may expect from a converted WR. He needs work on blitz recognition, he needs more fire (shockey has plenty!).

Well, I think it's fine to be to be high on certain players and such. I appreciate your response and explaination, which you didn't have to do. I think it's fair to say that with the past TE's at the U, they were show cased more and they would go back to the well often in their cases. Coker's offense lacked for many reasons, but I'll stop beating that horse...giddy up. I think ranking your more chosen one's higher than other is okay, but I just found ranking Olsen 3rd in such a weak TE class wasn't crediable. Again, if he had been #2...might not agree, but would have found it interesting. Here's to the U finding their way again!

Cecil's probably just biased because everytime we saw Olsen in Mobile at Senior Bowl he was walking behind Rosenhaus looking like an emotionless robot. He almost looked petrified? I don't know exactly how to explain it, but he just seemed like that guy at the party that has only one friend and would follow that friend around while they talked to other people just so they wouldnt be alone and *gasp* maybe end up talking to someone they dont know. Im not saying Olsen was scared to talk to people, but it certainly seemed that way. He looked generally uncomfortable, and it was a stark contrast to the mood of some of the other players we saw on the sidelines that were not playing like Reggie Nelson.