Drafting out of the 5 hole in FFPC/FBGPC Tonight (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

Team LHUCKS

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Philip Rivers QB SDG vs MIN 6 349.70 5 - Starter

Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC vs TEN 9 239.10 46 - Starter

Ahmad Bradshaw RB NYG @ WAS 7 251.90 36 - Starter

Chris Johnson RB TEN @ JAC 6 276.90 24 - Starter

Chris Wells RB ARI vs CAR 6 64.10 301 - Starter

Mike Williams WR SEA @ SFO 6 152.10 115 - Starter

A.J. Green WR CIN @ CLE 7 - Starter

Vernon Davis TE SFO vs SEA 7 219.40 55 - Starter

Mason Crosby K GNB vs NOR 8 129.10 169 - Starter

San Diego Chargers Def/ST SDG vs MIN 6 136.00 151 - Starter

Sam Bradford QB STL vs PHI 5 244.90 42 - Reserve

Cedric Benson RB CIN @ CLE 7 206.90 64 - Reserve

Randy Moss WR TEN @ JAC 6 97.30 247 - Reserve

Hines Ward WR PIT @ BAL 11 164.30 107 - Reserve

Bernard Berrian WR MIN @ SDG 9 52.40 333 - Reserve

Malcom Floyd WR SDG vs MIN 6 144.70 133 - Reserve

James Jones WR GNB vs NOR 8 147.90 125 - Reserve

Danario Alexander WR STL vs PHI 5 56.60 323 - Reserve

Brent Celek TE PHI @ STL 7 138.10 149 - Reserve

Dallas Cowboys Def/ST DAL @ NYJ 5 119.00 192 - Reserve

Team 2

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Matt Cassel QB KAN vs BUF 6 269.30 29 - Reserve

Matthew Stafford QB DET @ TAM 9 58.85 316 - Reserve

DeAngelo Williams RB CAR @ ARI 9 59.20 315 - Reserve

Leon Washington RB SEA @ SFO 6 50.90 338 - Reserve

Michael Bush RB OAK @ DEN 8 150.90 119 - Reserve

Matt Forte RB CHI vs ATL 8 268.60 30 - Reserve

Javon Ringer RB TEN @ JAC 6 47.30 344 - Reserve

Ben Tate RB HOU vs IND 11 0.00 822 - Reserve

Montario Hardesty RB CLE vs CIN 5 0.00 823 - Reserve

Anquan Boldin WR BAL vs PIT 5 189.60 80 - Reserve

Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI vs CAR 6 241.70 44 - Reserve

Roy Williams WR CHI vs ATL 8 122.00 186 - Reserve

Mike Sims-Walker WR STL vs PHI 5 141.20 143 - Reserve

Jerome Simpson WR CIN @ CLE 7 65.90 297 - Reserve

Kenny Britt WR TEN @ JAC 6 175.50 97 - Reserve

Victor Cruz WR NYG @ WAS 7 0.00 864 - Reserve

Jason Witten TE DAL @ NYJ 5 297.20 15 - Reserve

Marcedes Lewis TE JAC vs TEN 9 217.00 56 - Reserve

David Akers K SFO vs SEA 7 163.40 109 - Reserve

Oakland Raiders Def/ST OAK @ DEN 8 142.00 139 - Reserve

Team 3

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Drew Brees QB NOR @ GNB 11 342.40 7 - Reserve

Joe Flacco QB BAL vs PIT 5 285.50 19 - Reserve

LaDainian Tomlinson RB NYJ vs DAL 8 215.40 57 - Reserve

Chester Taylor RB CHI vs ATL 8 78.60 269 - Reserve

Felix Jones RB DAL @ NYJ 5 185.00 87 - Reserve

Rashard Mendenhall RB PIT @ BAL 11 245.00 41 - Reserve

Toby Gerhart RB MIN @ SDG 9 75.90 276 - Reserve

Daniel Thomas RB MIA vs NWE 5 - Reserve

Steve Smith WR CAR @ ARI 9 114.30 211 - Reserve

Mark Clayton WR STL vs PHI 5 66.20 296 - Reserve

Marques Colston WR NOR @ GNB 11 228.40 50 - Reserve

Calvin Johnson WR DET @ TAM 9 266.20 31 - Reserve

Davone Bess WR MIA vs NWE 5 190.70 78 - Reserve

Arrelious Benn WR TAM vs DET 8 80.00 266 - Reserve

Tony Gonzalez TE ATL @ CHI 8 206.60 65 - Reserve

Zach Miller TE SEA @ SFO 6 188.50 82 - Reserve

Tony Moeaki TE KAN vs BUF 6 144.10 135 - Reserve

Adam Vinatieri K IND @ HOU 11 147.50 126 - Reserve

Chicago Bears Def/ST CHI vs ATL 8 135.00 157 - Reserve

Detroit Lions Def/ST DET @ TAM 9 141.00 145 - Reserve

Team 4

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Josh Freeman QB TAM vs DET 8 304.95 12 - Starter

Ryan Grant RB GNB vs NOR 8 4.50 523 - Starter

Ray Rice RB BAL vs PIT 5 276.90 23 - Starter

Vincent Jackson WR SDG vs MIN 6 58.20 318 - Starter

Miles Austin WR DAL @ NYJ 5 230.40 47 - Starter

DeSean Jackson WR PHI @ STL 7 211.00 62 - Starter

Mike Williams WR TAM vs DET 8 227.40 51 - Starter

Jermaine Gresham TE CIN @ CLE 7 151.10 118 - Starter

Billy Cundiff K BAL vs PIT 5 132.20 160 - Starter

Atlanta Falcons Def/ST ATL @ CHI 8 131.00 163 - Starter

Ryan Fitzpatrick QB BUF @ KAN 7 253.90 34 - Reserve

Tim Tebow QB DEN vs OAK 6 108.40 221 - Reserve

Pierre Thomas RB NOR @ GNB 11 88.00 252 - Reserve

Jonathan Stewart RB CAR @ ARI 9 113.30 212 - Reserve

Justin Forsett RB SEA @ SFO 6 122.50 183 - Reserve

Donald Brown RB IND @ HOU 11 102.20 232 - Reserve

Rashad Jennings RB JAC vs TEN 9 118.20 198 - Reserve

Earl Bennett WR CHI vs ATL 8 121.00 189 - Reserve

Torrey Smith WR BAL vs PIT 5 - Reserve

Ed Dickson TE BAL vs PIT 5 37.70 370 - Reserve

Team 5

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Tom Brady QB NWE @ MIA 7 344.00 6 - Starter

Steven Jackson RB STL vs PHI 5 244.40 43 - Starter

Ryan Torain RB WAS vs NYG 5 140.70 146 - Starter

Arian Foster RB HOU vs IND 11 395.80 1 - Starter

Plaxico Burress WR NYJ vs DAL 8 0.00 592 - Starter

Chad Ochocinco WR NWE @ MIA 7 174.10 98 - Starter

Greg Jennings WR GNB vs NOR 8 274.40 25 - Starter

Jimmy Graham TE NOR @ GNB 11 112.40 215 - Starter

Nate Kaeding K SDG vs MIN 6 127.70 172 - Starter

Philadelphia Eagles Def/ST PHI @ STL 7 127.00 175 - Starter

Matt Schaub QB HOU vs IND 11 307.30 9 - Reserve

Carnell Williams RB STL vs PHI 5 143.20 136 - Reserve

Shane Vereen RB NWE @ MIA 7 - Reserve

Roy Helu RB WAS vs NYG 5 - Reserve

Delone Carter RB IND @ HOU 11 - Reserve

Terrell Owens WR CIN @ CLE 7 224.30 53 - Reserve

Steve Breaston WR KAN vs BUF 6 135.15 156 - Reserve

Visanthe Shiancoe TE MIN @ SDG 9 135.50 154 - Reserve

Kevin Boss TE OAK @ DEN 8 135.60 153 - Reserve

Kyle Rudolph TE MIN @ SDG 9 - Reserve

Team 6

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Aaron Rodgers QB GNB vs NOR 8 356.70 2 - Starter

Michael Turner RB ATL @ CHI 8 229.60 49 - Starter

Darren Sproles RB NOR @ GNB 11 150.00 120 - Starter

BenJarvus Green-Ellis RB NWE @ MIA 7 199.30 73 - Starter

Deion Branch WR NWE @ MIA 7 178.80 92 - Starter

Sidney Rice WR SEA @ SFO 6 57.00 321 - Starter

Mike Wallace WR PIT @ BAL 11 249.60 39 - Starter

Rob Gronkowski TE NWE @ MIA 7 177.60 94 - Starter

Stephen Gostkowski K NWE @ MIA 7 60.80 309 - Starter

Green Bay Packers Def/ST GNB vs NOR 8 178.00 93 - Starter

Matt Hasselbeck QB TEN @ JAC 6 205.05 68 - Reserve

Mark Sanchez QB NYJ vs DAL 8 250.05 38 - Reserve

Ricky Williams RB MIA vs NWE 5 118.40 196 - Reserve

Brandon Jacobs RB NYG @ WAS 7 149.20 122 - Reserve

Jason Snelling RB ATL @ CHI 8 136.70 150 - Reserve

Jonathan Baldwin WR KAN vs BUF 6 - Reserve

Titus Young WR DET @ TAM 9 - Reserve

Owen Daniels TE HOU vs IND 11 116.10 205 - Reserve

Fred Davis TE WAS vs NYG 5 81.10 264 - Reserve

New York Jets Def/ST NYJ vs DAL 8 153.00 114 - Reserve

[b) Team 7

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Tony Romo QB DAL @ NYJ 5 122.15 184 - Starter

Jamaal Charles RB KAN vs BUF 6 286.50 17 - Starter

Peyton Hillis RB CLE vs CIN 5 305.05 11 - Starter

Jahvid Best RB DET @ TAM 9 199.00 74 - Starter

Lance Moore WR NOR @ GNB 11 190.30 79 - Starter

Dwayne Bowe WR KAN vs BUF 6 278.60 21 - Starter

Steve Johnson WR BUF @ KAN 7 249.30 40 - Starter

Brandon Pettigrew TE DET @ TAM 9 202.70 69 - Starter

Neil Rackers K HOU vs IND 11 144.10 134 - Starter

Pittsburgh Steelers Def/ST PIT @ BAL 11 177.00 96 - Starter

Tarvaris Jackson QB SEA @ SFO 6 33.35 381 - Reserve

Matt Ryan QB ATL @ CHI 8 304.45 13 - Reserve

Derrick Ward RB HOU vs IND 11 68.80 291 - Reserve

Tim Hightower RB WAS vs NYG 5 138.20 148 - Reserve

Jacquizz Rodgers RB ATL @ CHI 8 - Reserve

Nate Burleson WR DET @ TAM 9 161.60 111 - Reserve

Jason Hill WR JAC vs TEN 9 41.80 360 - Reserve

Josh Morgan WR SFO vs SEA 7 127.50 174 - Reserve

Danny Amendola WR STL vs PHI 5 180.00 91 - Reserve

Jared Cook TE TEN @ JAC 6 85.60 259 - Reserve

Team 8

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Peyton Manning QB IND @ HOU 11 351.80 4 - Starter

Frank Gore RB SFO vs SEA 7 206.50 66 - Starter

Knowshon Moreno RB DEN vs OAK 6 200.10 72 - Starter

Ryan Mathews RB SDG vs MIN 6 146.00 130 - Starter

Andre Johnson WR HOU vs IND 11 256.60 33 - Starter

Mike Thomas WR JAC vs TEN 9 189.40 81 - Starter

Austin Collie WR IND @ HOU 11 170.90 102 - Starter

Dustin Keller TE NYJ vs DAL 8 181.20 90 - Starter

Alex Henery K PHI @ STL 7 - Starter

New York Giants Def/ST NYG @ WAS 7 156.00 113 - Starter

David Garrard QB JAC vs TEN 9 271.60 27 - Reserve

C.J. Spiller RB BUF @ KAN 7 80.00 265 - Reserve

James Starks RB GNB vs NOR 8 13.60 464 - Reserve

Ryan Williams RB ARI vs CAR 6 - Reserve

Kendall Hunter RB SFO vs SEA 7 - Reserve

Lee Evans WR BUF @ KAN 7 118.80 195 - Reserve

Jacoby Jones WR HOU vs IND 11 127.90 170 - Reserve

Jordy Nelson WR GNB vs NOR 8 115.20 210 - Reserve

Johnny Knox WR CHI vs ATL 8 177.20 95 - Reserve

Lance Kendricks TE STL vs PHI 5 - Reserve

Team 9

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Michael Vick QB PHI @ STL 7 352.50 3 - Starter

Fred Jackson RB BUF @ KAN 7 187.20 86 - Starter

LeSean McCoy RB PHI @ STL 7 299.20 14 - Starter

Santana Moss WR WAS vs NYG 5 239.90 45 - Starter

Reggie Wayne WR IND @ HOU 11 282.50 20 - Starter

Santonio Holmes WR NYJ vs DAL 8 164.30 108 - Starter

Brandon Marshall WR MIA vs NWE 5 205.70 67 - Starter

Chris Cooley TE WAS vs NYG 5 220.40 54 - Starter

Garrett Hartley K NOR @ GNB 11 116.00 206 - Starter

New Orleans Saints Def/ST NOR @ GNB 11 126.00 177 - Starter

Kyle Orton QB DEN vs OAK 6 263.40 32 - Reserve

Thomas Jones RB KAN vs BUF 6 151.80 116 - Reserve

Ronnie Brown RB PHI @ STL 7 160.60 112 - Reserve

Tashard Choice RB DAL @ NYJ 5 70.20 284 - Reserve

Mike Tolbert RB SDG vs MIN 6 188.10 83 - Reserve

Braylon Edwards WR SFO vs SEA 7 187.80 84 - Reserve

Steve Smith WR NYG @ WAS 7 118.90 194 - Reserve

Eddie Royal WR DEN vs OAK 6 145.80 132 - Reserve

Jordan Shipley WR CIN @ CLE 7 130.00 164 - Reserve

Benjamin Watson TE CLE vs CIN 5 196.20 75 - Reserve

Team 10

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT @ BAL 11 252.60 35 - Starter

Adrian Peterson RB MIN @ SDG 9 277.90 22 - Starter

Mark Ingram RB NOR @ GNB 11 - Starter

Robert Meachem WR NOR @ GNB 11 139.20 147 - Starter

Mario Manningham WR NYG @ WAS 7 208.60 63 - Starter

Percy Harvin WR MIN @ SDG 9 212.50 60 - Starter

Antonio Gates TE SDG vs MIN 6 213.20 58 - Starter

Jermichael Finley TE GNB vs NOR 8 67.60 293 - Starter

Rob Bironas K TEN @ JAC 6 127.60 173 - Starter

New England Patriots Def/ST NWE @ MIA 7 174.00 99 - Starter

Donovan McNabb QB MIN @ SDG 9 224.95 52 - Reserve

Joseph Addai RB IND @ HOU 11 104.90 228 - Reserve

Danny Woodhead RB NWE @ MIA 7 162.60 110 - Reserve

Bernard Scott RB CIN @ CLE 7 52.90 329 - Reserve

Bilal Powell RB NYJ vs DAL 8 - Reserve

Roscoe Parrish WR BUF @ KAN 7 87.30 255 - Reserve

Michael Crabtree WR SFO vs SEA 7 165.10 104 - Reserve

Greg Little WR CLE vs CIN 5 - Reserve

Heath Miller TE PIT @ BAL 11 126.20 176 - Reserve

Daniel Fells TE DEN vs OAK 6 112.60 214 - Reserve

Team 11

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Kevin Kolb QB ARI vs CAR 6 87.35 254 - Reserve

Cam Newton QB CAR @ ARI 9 - Reserve

Willis McGahee RB DEN vs OAK 6 93.20 245 - Reserve

Darren McFadden RB OAK @ DEN 8 273.40 26 - Reserve

Shonn Greene RB NYJ vs DAL 8 116.60 203 - Reserve

Mike Goodson RB CAR @ ARI 9 134.20 158 - Reserve

Mikel Leshoure RB DET @ TAM 9 - Reserve

Pierre Garcon WR IND @ HOU 11 182.00 89 - Reserve

Jeremy Maclin WR PHI @ STL 7 230.00 48 - Reserve

Louis Murphy WR OAK @ DEN 8 118.20 197 - Reserve

Dez Bryant WR DAL @ NYJ 5 149.10 124 - Reserve

Eric Decker WR DEN vs OAK 6 22.60 412 - Reserve

Andre Roberts WR ARI vs CAR 6 66.70 294 - Reserve

Julio Jones WR ATL @ CHI 8 - Reserve

Dallas Clark TE IND @ HOU 11 108.20 222 - Reserve

Greg Olsen TE CAR @ ARI 9 131.90 161 - Reserve

Jacob Tamme TE IND @ HOU 11 187.60 85 - Reserve

Aaron Hernandez TE NWE @ MIA 7 164.50 106 - Reserve

Sebastian Janikowski K OAK @ DEN 8 168.00 103 - Reserve

Arizona Cardinals Def/ST ARI vs CAR 6 141.00 144 - Reserve

Team 12

PLAYER POS NFL OPP BYE 2010 PTS RANK INJ STATUS

Eli Manning QB NYG @ WAS 7 306.10 10 - Reserve

Jay Cutler QB CHI vs ATL 8 270.90 28 - Reserve

Marion Barber RB CHI vs ATL 8 77.30 275 - Reserve

Reggie Bush RB MIA vs NWE 5 75.80 277 - Reserve

Marshawn Lynch RB SEA @ SFO 6 146.20 128 - Reserve

Kregg Lumpkin RB TAM vs DET 8 2.20 550 - Reserve

LeGarrette Blount RB TAM vs DET 8 143.10 138 - Reserve

DeMarco Murray RB DAL @ NYJ 5 - Reserve

Brandon Lloyd WR DEN vs OAK 6 286.00 18 - Reserve

Wes Welker WR NWE @ MIA 7 212.80 59 - Reserve

Roddy White WR ATL @ CHI 8 318.20 8 - Reserve

Jason Avant WR PHI @ STL 7 116.30 204 - Reserve

Hakeem Nicks WR NYG @ WAS 7 250.20 37 - Reserve

Dexter McCluster WR KAN vs BUF 6 61.00 308 - Reserve

Jacoby Ford WR OAK @ DEN 8 129.50 167 - Reserve

Vincent Brown WR SDG vs MIN 6 - Reserve

Todd Heap TE ARI vs CAR 6 149.90 121 - Reserve

Kellen Winslow TE TAM vs DET 8 202.00 70 - Reserve

Matt Bryant K ATL @ CHI 8 146.10 129 - Reserve

Baltimore Ravens Def/ST BAL vs PIT 5 124.00 182 - Reserve

 

[heropretend]

Hey, Good draft. Not great, but pretty good.

My only problem with the draft is you're hamstrung by limited upside at 2 roster spots (wr). Whether you like your WRs or not isn't the problem. Anytime you walk away with stud depth (rb here), I feel that it's necessary to grab a few round 4-10 homerun type picks. Examples from last year would be Bowe, Nicks, Wallace. Your draft has a bunch of wideouts who may be good value but don't project to be heavy hitters. With a little luck (vick, hillis, lloyd, ), you might get there, but you could say that about any team at this early stage.

 

[LHUCKS]

Hey, Good draft. Not great, but pretty good. My only problem with the draft is you're hamstrung by limited upside at 2 roster spots (wr). Whether you like your WRs or not isn't the problem. Anytime you walk away with stud depth (rb here), I feel that it's necessary to grab a few round 4-10 homerun type picks. Examples from last year would be Bowe, Nicks, Wallace. Your draft has a bunch of wideouts who may be good value but don't project to be heavy hitters. With a little luck (vick, hillis, lloyd, ), you might get there, but you could say that about any team at this early stage.

you're looking at the wrong squad, I'm the last team listed with Rivers as my QBETA: I just moved it to the first team to clear up confusion...the rosters were listed on the website alphabetically, not by draft order.

 

[heropretend]

i like enemies 2 all, old school, and sand hill cranes. just my opinion.

had the right draft. this is also just my line of thought, but having rbs like wells/bradshaw penciled in as every week flex starters will sometimes hurt you. especially if you manage to pick up a decent te or a backup rb who plays or lucks his way (injuries to starters) into time.

 

[LHUCKS]

i like enemies 2 all, old school, and sand hill cranes. just my opinion.had the right draft. this is also just my line of thought, but having rbs like wells/bradshaw penciled in as every week flex starters will sometimes hurt you.

I think rotating Bradshaw/wells/Benson at Flex according to matchups could produce some consistent high scoring at flex...I have my team outscoring every other team at the flex positions. If I don't outscore everybody at flex I'm in deep trouble.

 

[LHUCKS]

i like enemies 2 all

using that team as an example, I have my team outscoring him at every position except for WR1 and WR2.

 

[heropretend]

yep. that's true. but with wells and bradshaw and benson (edit*) penciled into the flex spots, you've limited your ability to upgrade to strictly the wr spot. other teams like enemies 2 all will be able to pick up a te, rb, or wr to improve. you're limited to picking up WR and hoping for the best.

 

[LHUCKS]

yep. that's true. but with wells and bradshaw and benson (edit*) penciled into the flex spots, you've limited your ability to upgrade to strictly the wr spot. other teams like enemies 2 all will be able to pick up a te, rb, or wr to improve. you're limited to picking up WR and hoping for the best.

Agreed, that is a disadvantage to my strategy. The key to my team is hitting on my WRs early, and settling on solid WRs by weeks 3 or 4.We shall see. I know that I'm biased but per my projections I have my team scoring near the top of this league as things stand now.this is a different type of league whose scoring system allows for a variety of different approaches...I feel like I got lucky with what slid to me in rounds 2-5...it just forced me to use an unorthodox approach.We'll see if the grand experiment works.

 

[Vicktimized]

Lloyd, Steve Johnson, Manningham, Amendola, Lance Moore ... all were top 30 finishers, at least in my PPR, and all probably could have been had off the wire at varying points.

He might be in trouble at wideout, but this isn't a season-ender ... with the flex configuration, Bradshaw and Wells are essentially his WR 1-2. Unless a bunch of other teams have that luxury, which I doubt.

 

[Vicktimized]

Also, I am with him on Wells ... I've been burned by Wells before, but I remember how frustrating Wiz's preference for Hightower and his "corporate knowledge" was. Kinda reminded me of John Fox's preference the vet RB ... Timmy is gone now. Beanie is Whiz's vet, and unless Ryan Williams is a really quick study (and in a shortened lockout offseason, at that), Wells should finally get all the work he's ever wanted.

 

[Captain Hook]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

 

[LHUCKS]

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential -

I took out the team names, so it is completely anonymous now. Before I took out the owner name and didn't realize the team names were still there...I doubt people use the same team names.

 

[LHUCKS]

Also, I am with him on Wells ... I've been burned by Wells before, but I remember how frustrating Wiz's preference for Hightower and his "corporate knowledge" was. Kinda reminded me of John Fox's preference the vet RB ... Timmy is gone now. Beanie is Whiz's vet, and unless Ryan Williams is a really quick study (and in a shortened lockout offseason, at that), Wells should finally get all the work he's ever wanted.

yeah, Wells was an easy value play for me...I knew I would get the same value at WR two rounds later, but Wells was at the end of a tier so that was an easy pick. Seems like people are overvaluing WR here.

 

[aimlessgun]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB. If you're using projections to figure out value, that massively increases the value of the RB picks.

It would be interesting to see the numbers you based the picks on. I think a lot of people really are arguing with your projections, especially with the 5-6 picks where nobody believes that a WR upgrade wasn't available

I also think you may have gotten a little unlucky holding the bag after the WR's ran out, because maybe you assumed the other owners would be thinking like you and value RB's higher due to the 2 FLEX?

PS: I still don't like your team, but that's because I don't like Benson or MJD

 

[pantherclub]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

No offense but that seems rather silly.

 

[Saint]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

Why? I can see scrubbing names Hook, but not showing the draft board is kinda lame. We're all into FF here and this is the type of information that I think is worthwhile. Once the draft is done, what does it matter to show a draft board with no names? Yes, I looked at the Red/Blue and it is helpful to see how some boards progress, but I find the more research available, the better off we all are. I appreciated what you did in your thread as well as Lhucks scrubbing names and posting. This is helpful and hence why I have stuck around FBG is for this information.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB.

I play in a 2-flex league every year, so I'm pretty confident I've got my head squarely wrapped around the concept. There's no reason to believe you'll "almost always want to be starting RB's at flex," and especially not because of the replacement level - it's a flex, you can replace it with whatever you want. Whether you decide to start the season with an RB at flex, or a WR at flex, they both have the same "replacement level". Concepts like "value" are useful when cutting across fixed positions; with a flex, "value" matters less than pure fantasy points. And in a 1 PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE, it's not the case that RBs will regularly outscore WRs and TEs.The fact is that he drafted backups before getting a single starting WR. I know LHUCKS claims this is because of the "value" available but that's a misunderstanding of the term. That 5th RB only has any value at all if you can trade him (you can't) or if one of your starters underperforms or gets hurt (not something you want to be betting on after 5-6 rounds of the draft). Taking a bench RB before any starting WRs was clearly an error in judgment and could prove to be a costly mistake.

 

[G-King]

you tried to play cute and buck the system with picking so many running backs. I think you will pay dearly for it.

you realize I can start four of them right?

I don't think they do....I like your team alot because of the dual flex. I draft this same way in my league because we are required to start 1 WR; 1 RB and 2 flex. Give me 2 RB's there over 2 WRs any day. Good Job, Dude

 

[baconisgood]

i like enemies 2 all

using that team as an example, I have my team outscoring him at every position except for WR1 and WR2.

Of course you do- you are using your projections which you used to draft with. By their projections some of them could be beating you at many positions.

 

[baconisgood]

you tried to play cute and buck the system with picking so many running backs. I think you will pay dearly for it.

you realize I can start four of them right?

I don't think they do....I like your team alot because of the dual flex. I draft this same way in my league because we are required to start 1 WR; 1 RB and 2 flex. Give me 2 RB's there over 2 WRs any day. Good Job, Dude

1 wr, 1 rb is way different than 2,2. In your case you can grab 3 rbs and have a shot at a 4th round pick for your #1st, not so for lhucks. He, at best has to pick 4 times and then he needs 2 wry which means he has to find two late round gems, not one as you would. In a 2, 2, 2 format you are looking at 24 each rbs and wrs off the board before flex picks as opposed to 12.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Give me 2 RB's there over 2 WRs any day. Good Job, Dude

Why do people keep saying this? I think it's just because people have some antiquated notion that RBs are more "valuable" than WRs. I just plugged in 1 PPR into a default league in Draft Dominator. Here are the projected point values for RBs and WRs in the 25-48 range (presumably where the average flex players are drawn from in a 12-team 2/2/2 league):

Rank	RB	WR25	171.6	190.726	171.5	184.227	171.5	179.428	157.2	179.129	153.5	176.730	148.2	176.631	148.1	166.632	144.4	164.133	144.3	162.234	142.2	162.135	138.1	158.936	136.7	153.937	136.7	149.138	134	147.539	131.7	146.740	129.9	144.341	123.6	142.842	121.9	141.143	111.1	140.344	111	140.245	109.8	136.946	106.5	135.647	104.2	132.848	103.7	128.6

WRs are projected to score more points than RB right down the line. Obviously you can disagree with individual projections, but I don't understand this idea that RBs are a much better flex option than WRs. (And of course, this doesn't even address the fact that LHUCKS drafted not just 4, but 5 RBs before a single WR.)

 

[Captain Hook]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

Why? I can see scrubbing names Hook, but not showing the draft board is kinda lame. We're all into FF here and this is the type of information that I think is worthwhile. Once the draft is done, what does it matter to show a draft board with no names? Yes, I looked at the Red/Blue and it is helpful to see how some boards progress, but I find the more research available, the better off we all are. I appreciated what you did in your thread as well as Lhucks scrubbing names and posting. This is helpful and hence why I have stuck around FBG is for this information.

Because there are not some random mock drafts - these are leagues where people pay hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars are at stake. Even showing the drafts by rounds should not be permitted because people can easily find out which draft Hucks was in and then see who else was in the draft. Again, people expect confidentiality outside the individual leagues and that should be respected.PVH

 

[AmosMoses]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

Why? I can see scrubbing names Hook, but not showing the draft board is kinda lame. We're all into FF here and this is the type of information that I think is worthwhile. Once the draft is done, what does it matter to show a draft board with no names? Yes, I looked at the Red/Blue and it is helpful to see how some boards progress, but I find the more research available, the better off we all are. I appreciated what you did in your thread as well as Lhucks scrubbing names and posting. This is helpful and hence why I have stuck around FBG is for this information.

Because there are not some random mock drafts - these are leagues where people pay hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars are at stake. Even showing the drafts by rounds should not be permitted because people can easily find out which draft Hucks was in and then see who else was in the draft. Again, people expect confidentiality outside the individual leagues and that should be respected.PVH

This isn't Skull and Bones, dude. It's a fantasy football league.

 

[pantherclub]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

Why? I can see scrubbing names Hook, but not showing the draft board is kinda lame. We're all into FF here and this is the type of information that I think is worthwhile. Once the draft is done, what does it matter to show a draft board with no names? Yes, I looked at the Red/Blue and it is helpful to see how some boards progress, but I find the more research available, the better off we all are. I appreciated what you did in your thread as well as Lhucks scrubbing names and posting. This is helpful and hence why I have stuck around FBG is for this information.

Because there are not some random mock drafts - these are leagues where people pay hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars are at stake. Even showing the drafts by rounds should not be permitted because people can easily find out which draft Hucks was in and then see who else was in the draft. Again, people expect confidentiality outside the individual leagues and that should be respected.PVH

what does it matter how much money you paid in? I am sure you will be one of the first ones to read another posters thread on how his real draft went.

 

[LHUCKS]

WRs are projected to score more points than RB right down the line.

do you see what's wrong with your analysis?

 

[LHUCKS]

PS: I still don't like your team, but that's because I don't like Benson or MJD

MJD is a key player no doubt...I mitigated his risk some by going deep a the position, but I need 2009 MJD to really make a splash.Two things need to happen:1) I need MJD to be 2009 MJD2) I need to hit on two WRs, I think AJ Green and Alexander are the best bets to blow up

 

[pizzatyme]

LHucks, I see you as having made 2 mistakes in the draft and 1 afterwards.

The relative value of Rivers is lost when you can get a similar point production 3 or 4 rounds later.

Should have swapped a WR for MJD.

And should have refrained from posting the other teams. It's not what was paid for THIS draft, it's what others can do with the information later on during the higher stakes drafts when those that were a part of this draft are exposed to a degree. Unfair to your fellow drafters. JMO

 

[LHUCKS]

LHucks, I see you as having made 2 mistakes in the draft and 1 afterwards.The relative value of Rivers is lost when you can get a similar point production 3 or 4 rounds later.

Yeah, in this draft I could have got Romo a few rounds later...but at the point I took Rivers I didn't love the WRs and I already had 3 stud RBs and a TE...that left only QB and Rivers is my #3 QB this year behind only Vick and Rodgers.

Should have swapped a WR for MJD.

I think it's hard to say right now even in hindsight. If I get 2009 MJD there is no question that he was a steal as the 19th player off the board. MJD as of now expects the same load as last year, and he has an easier schedule.

 

[pantherclub]

LHucks, I see you as having made 2 mistakes in the draft and 1 afterwards.The relative value of Rivers is lost when you can get a similar point production 3 or 4 rounds later.

Yeah, in this draft I could have got Romo a few rounds later...but at the point I took Rivers I didn't love the WRs and I already had 3 stud RBs and a TE...that left only QB and Rivers is my #3 QB this year behind only Vick and Rodgers.

Should have swapped a WR for MJD.

I think it's hard to say right now even in hindsight. If I get 2009 MJD there is no question that he was a steal as the 19th player off the board. MJD as of now expects the same load as last year, and he has an easier schedule.

Why do you think MJD will revert back to 2009? I see injuries a concern, a backup that is going to get more playing time and a rookie qb that very well may be starting midseason if the wheels come off early on. Dont get me wrong I think he was a great value pick for when you got him but he doesnt really compliment your team that well.

 

[LHUCKS]

Why do you think MJD will revert back to 2009? I see injuries a concern, a backup that is going to get more playing time and a rookie qb that very well may be starting midseason if the wheels come off early on. Dont get me wrong I think he was a great value pick for when you got him but he doesnt really compliment your team that well.

Three reasons why I think there is a chance that MJD can have another 20091) He was hampered by a nagging injury last year...his numbers were deflated as a result2) If MJD is healthy (and he expects to be), I don't see Jennings eating into his carries. MJD already stated he doesn't expect a lighter load. 3) The Jags have a softer schedule this yearI agree the QB situation is cause for concern but there was too much upside at pick 19 to not take him. There is no question it was a gamble, but the more I think about that pick, the more I like it beause I think I have a good chance of hitting at WR.

 

[baconisgood]

LHucks, I see you as having made 2 mistakes in the draft and 1 afterwards.The relative value of Rivers is lost when you can get a similar point production 3 or 4 rounds later.

Yeah, in this draft I could have got Romo a few rounds later...but at the point I took Rivers I didn't love the WRs and I already had 3 stud RBs and a TE...that left only QB and Rivers is my #3 QB this year behind only Vick and Rodgers.

Should have swapped a WR for MJD.

I think it's hard to say right now even in hindsight. If I get 2009 MJD there is no question that he was a steal as the 19th player off the board. MJD as of now expects the same load as last year, and he has an easier schedule.

Why do you think MJD will revert back to 2009? I see injuries a concern, a backup that is going to get more playing time and a rookie qb that very well may be starting midseason if the wheels come off early on. Dont get me wrong I think he was a great value pick for when you got him but he doesnt really compliment your team that well.

The big difference between 2009 and 2010 for MJD was TDs- he had slightly more yards per game, lost a catch per game (big in PPR) but went from 16 to 7 TDs. Mike Sims Walker and his 7 TD receptions each of the last two years left town and Lewis had 10 on 53 catches last year (way above the league average). MJD could easily see 5-7 more TDs just because of that.

 

[Tau837]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB.

I play in a 2-flex league every year, so I'm pretty confident I've got my head squarely wrapped around the concept. There's no reason to believe you'll "almost always want to be starting RB's at flex," and especially not because of the replacement level - it's a flex, you can replace it with whatever you want. Whether you decide to start the season with an RB at flex, or a WR at flex, they both have the same "replacement level". Concepts like "value" are useful when cutting across fixed positions; with a flex, "value" matters less than pure fantasy points. And in a 1 PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE, it's not the case that RBs will regularly outscore WRs and TEs.The fact is that he drafted backups before getting a single starting WR. I know LHUCKS claims this is because of the "value" available but that's a misunderstanding of the term. That 5th RB only has any value at all if you can trade him (you can't) or if one of your starters underperforms or gets hurt (not something you want to be betting on after 5-6 rounds of the draft). Taking a bench RB before any starting WRs was clearly an error in judgment and could prove to be a costly mistake.

I was just going to post something similar. Look at the midpoint of the next 12 at each position after the starters in 2010:RB30 - Marshawn Lynch, 125.1 fantasy pointsWR30 - Johnny Knox, 176.3 fantasy pointsTE15 - Todd Heap, 149.9 fantasy pointsTo carry this further, consider that RB17 last season was Tomlinson, who scored 164 fantasy points. Will all of Johnson, MJD, Bradshaw, Benson, and Wells finish in the top 15 RBs? I seriously doubt that. And even if they do, one of them will be on the bench every week.As I said before, there were several WRs available when HUCKS took Benson and Wells who were better choices.IMO the correct play in leagues like this is the opposite of what some are saying here. You are more likely to succeed when starting WRs and TEs at flex, because in general they score more points.

 

[pantherclub]

Those are good points but I dont know man, it seems like those knee issues seem to linger with running backs with heavy carries. I would think just on general principle that the coaches would work in Jennings to offer relief to MJD. That said I think he was a steal at that spot but you should have taken a wr instead of Bradshaw. Some may say you should have taken a wr at the MJD pick but its basically a toss up in my opinion.

Plus the fact that MJD is often pulled at the gl should be cause for concern.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

WRs are projected to score more points than RB right down the line.

do you see what's wrong with your analysis?

Granted it was a slightly oversimplified point, but if you want to defend the idea that RBs are much better than WRs in the flex spot, have at it.

 

[LHUCKS]

I was just going to post something similar. Look at the midpoint of the next 12 at each position after the starters in 2010:RB30 - Marshawn Lynch, 125.1 fantasy pointsWR30 - Johnny Knox, 176.3 fantasy pointsTE15 - Todd Heap, 149.9 fantasy points

The next three WRs off the board were Ocho, Manningham and Moore. I have Benson projected for 190 points in this format which was higher than all available WRs.Further, I had a HUGE tier of WRs there so I knew I would get the same value at WR for the next four rounds.

IMO the correct play in leagues like this is the opposite of what some are saying here. You are more likely to succeed when starting WRs and TEs at flex, because in general they score more points.

I don't see how you can say this without projected points in mind. Like I said, Benson was the player projected for the most points available at the time, which is why I took him. That makes him the most valuable player on the board. That fact coupled with the idea that I could get the same WR for the next five rounds or so made it an easy decision. Benson's tier was long gone by then.

 

[pizzatyme]

LHucks,

I'm curious how you'd compare our two starting lineups. This is my "starting" roster from a recent FFPC Pros vs Joes draft with the same scoring rules.

Rodgers

Felix/Benson

Andre Johnson/Jennings

T. Gonzalez

Crosby

Pats

Flex (2 of) Daniel Thomas/Addai/Tampa Mike Williams/Ocho

Bench- Demarco Murray/MBIII/Cotchery/Jacoby Jones/Avery/D. Alexander/Keller

Yours or others' thoughts?

 

[pantherclub]

LHucks,I'm curious how you'd compare our two starting lineups. This is my "starting" roster from a recent FFPC Pros vs Joes draft with the same scoring rules.RodgersFelix/BensonAndre Johnson/JenningsT. GonzalezCrosbyPatsFlex (2 of) Daniel Thomas/Addai/Tampa Mike Williams/OchoBench- Demarco Murray/MBIII/Cotchery/Jacoby Jones/Avery/D. Alexander/KellerYours or others' thoughts?

How many teams and how did you get both Rodgers and AJ and Jennings? Those 3 are going to win you a lot of games. You are pretty stacked everywhere but running back but with due dilligence you can pick up a productive starter if one of your guys bust. I think Felix is going to have a very good year this year. A Marshall Faulk type year with both a lot of rushing and receiving yards.

 

[LHUCKS]

LHucks,I'm curious how you'd compare our two starting lineups. This is my "starting" roster from a recent FFPC Pros vs Joes draft with the same scoring rules.

Rodgers vs. Rivers

Advantage You

Felix/Benson vs. Chris Johnson/MJD

Big advantage me

Andre Johnson/Jennings vs. WRBC

Big advantage you

T. Gonzalez vs. Vernon Davis

Advantage Me

Flex (2 of) Daniel Thomas/Addai/Tampa Mike Williams/Ocho vs. Bradshaw/Benson/Wells

Push?? Tough to know for certain.

Bench- Demarco Murray/MBIII/Cotchery/Jacoby Jones/Avery/D. Alexander/Keller

I'm not going to compare benches but overall I like your depth...I was targeting a lot of your players.

Yours or others' thoughts?

I think our teams are evenly matched.

 

[cvnpoka]

Those are good points but I dont know man, it seems like those knee issues seem to linger with running backs with heavy carries. I would think just on general principle that the coaches would work in Jennings to offer relief to MJD. That said I think he was a steal at that spot but you should have taken a wr instead of Bradshaw. Some may say you should have taken a wr at the MJD pick but its basically a toss up in my opinion.

Plus the fact that MJD is often pulled at the gl should be cause for concern.

where did this come from?

 

[pizzatyme]

LHucks,I'm curious how you'd compare our two starting lineups. This is my "starting" roster from a recent FFPC Pros vs Joes draft with the same scoring rules.RodgersFelix/BensonAndre Johnson/JenningsT. GonzalezCrosbyPatsFlex (2 of) Daniel Thomas/Addai/Tampa Mike Williams/OchoBench- Demarco Murray/MBIII/Cotchery/Jacoby Jones/Avery/D. Alexander/KellerYours or others' thoughts?

How many teams and how did you get both Rodgers and AJ and Jennings? Those 3 are going to win you a lot of games. You are pretty stacked everywhere but running back but with due dilligence you can pick up a productive starter if one of your guys bust. I think Felix is going to have a very good year this year. A Marshall Faulk type year with both a lot of rushing and receiving yards.

It is the same scoring as LHucks team except it's a Draft Experts league which means best ball and 26 rounds (no lineup decisions). 12 teams.

 

[LHUCKS]

It is the same scoring as LHucks team except it's a Draft Experts league which means best ball and 26 rounds (no lineup decisions). 12 teams.

WRs gain a lot of value in best ball leagues because variance is greater with WR scoring than it is with RBs. So you are rewarded with their upside but do not take on as much risk with their downside.I like your team in best ball because you've got some big play WRs.

 

[pizzatyme]

It is the same scoring as LHucks team except it's a Draft Experts league which means best ball and 26 rounds (no lineup decisions). 12 teams.

WRs gain a lot of value in best ball leagues because variance is greater with WR scoring than it is with RBs. So you are rewarded with their upside but do not take on as much risk with their downside.I like your team in best ball because you've got some big play WRs.

I would agree with that.

 

[Dez]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB.

I play in a 2-flex league every year, so I'm pretty confident I've got my head squarely wrapped around the concept. There's no reason to believe you'll "almost always want to be starting RB's at flex," and especially not because of the replacement level - it's a flex, you can replace it with whatever you want. Whether you decide to start the season with an RB at flex, or a WR at flex, they both have the same "replacement level". Concepts like "value" are useful when cutting across fixed positions; with a flex, "value" matters less than pure fantasy points. And in a 1 PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE, it's not the case that RBs will regularly outscore WRs and TEs.The fact is that he drafted backups before getting a single starting WR. I know LHUCKS claims this is because of the "value" available but that's a misunderstanding of the term. That 5th RB only has any value at all if you can trade him (you can't) or if one of your starters underperforms or gets hurt (not something you want to be betting on after 5-6 rounds of the draft). Taking a bench RB before any starting WRs was clearly an error in judgment and could prove to be a costly mistake.

I was just going to post something similar. Look at the midpoint of the next 12 at each position after the starters in 2010:RB30 - Marshawn Lynch, 125.1 fantasy pointsWR30 - Johnny Knox, 176.3 fantasy pointsTE15 - Todd Heap, 149.9 fantasy pointsTo carry this further, consider that RB17 last season was Tomlinson, who scored 164 fantasy points. Will all of Johnson, MJD, Bradshaw, Benson, and Wells finish in the top 15 RBs? I seriously doubt that. And even if they do, one of them will be on the bench every week.As I said before, there were several WRs available when HUCKS took Benson and Wells who were better choices.IMO the correct play in leagues like this is the opposite of what some are saying here. You are more likely to succeed when starting WRs and TEs at flex, because in general they score more points.

Tomlinson scored 215 pts and did not play week 17Lynch scored 146

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB.

I play in a 2-flex league every year, so I'm pretty confident I've got my head squarely wrapped around the concept. There's no reason to believe you'll "almost always want to be starting RB's at flex," and especially not because of the replacement level - it's a flex, you can replace it with whatever you want. Whether you decide to start the season with an RB at flex, or a WR at flex, they both have the same "replacement level". Concepts like "value" are useful when cutting across fixed positions; with a flex, "value" matters less than pure fantasy points. And in a 1 PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE, it's not the case that RBs will regularly outscore WRs and TEs.The fact is that he drafted backups before getting a single starting WR. I know LHUCKS claims this is because of the "value" available but that's a misunderstanding of the term. That 5th RB only has any value at all if you can trade him (you can't) or if one of your starters underperforms or gets hurt (not something you want to be betting on after 5-6 rounds of the draft). Taking a bench RB before any starting WRs was clearly an error in judgment and could prove to be a costly mistake.

I was just going to post something similar. Look at the midpoint of the next 12 at each position after the starters in 2010:RB30 - Marshawn Lynch, 125.1 fantasy pointsWR30 - Johnny Knox, 176.3 fantasy pointsTE15 - Todd Heap, 149.9 fantasy pointsTo carry this further, consider that RB17 last season was Tomlinson, who scored 164 fantasy points. Will all of Johnson, MJD, Bradshaw, Benson, and Wells finish in the top 15 RBs? I seriously doubt that. And even if they do, one of them will be on the bench every week.As I said before, there were several WRs available when HUCKS took Benson and Wells who were better choices.IMO the correct play in leagues like this is the opposite of what some are saying here. You are more likely to succeed when starting WRs and TEs at flex, because in general they score more points.

Tomlinson scored 215 pts and did not play week 17Lynch scored 146

Despite having some incorrect numbers, his point is still valid. RB30 last year (Marshawn Lynch) scored ~147 points. WR30 (Danny Amendola) scored ~180 points. I'd be interested to hear from someone who thinks Marshawn Lynch was a better flex play than Amendola last season.

 

[Tau837]

Thanks for posting. I'm not sure if people are totally wrapping their heads around having 2 flexes. You'll almost always want to be starting RB's at flex, (since a replacement level RB is more points than a replacement level WR), so the format can actually be viewed as 2 WR 4 RB.

I play in a 2-flex league every year, so I'm pretty confident I've got my head squarely wrapped around the concept. There's no reason to believe you'll "almost always want to be starting RB's at flex," and especially not because of the replacement level - it's a flex, you can replace it with whatever you want. Whether you decide to start the season with an RB at flex, or a WR at flex, they both have the same "replacement level". Concepts like "value" are useful when cutting across fixed positions; with a flex, "value" matters less than pure fantasy points. And in a 1 PPR, 1.5 PPR for TE, it's not the case that RBs will regularly outscore WRs and TEs.The fact is that he drafted backups before getting a single starting WR. I know LHUCKS claims this is because of the "value" available but that's a misunderstanding of the term. That 5th RB only has any value at all if you can trade him (you can't) or if one of your starters underperforms or gets hurt (not something you want to be betting on after 5-6 rounds of the draft). Taking a bench RB before any starting WRs was clearly an error in judgment and could prove to be a costly mistake.

I was just going to post something similar. Look at the midpoint of the next 12 at each position after the starters in 2010:RB30 - Marshawn Lynch, 125.1 fantasy pointsWR30 - Johnny Knox, 176.3 fantasy pointsTE15 - Todd Heap, 149.9 fantasy pointsTo carry this further, consider that RB17 last season was Tomlinson, who scored 164 fantasy points. Will all of Johnson, MJD, Bradshaw, Benson, and Wells finish in the top 15 RBs? I seriously doubt that. And even if they do, one of them will be on the bench every week.As I said before, there were several WRs available when HUCKS took Benson and Wells who were better choices.IMO the correct play in leagues like this is the opposite of what some are saying here. You are more likely to succeed when starting WRs and TEs at flex, because in general they score more points.

Tomlinson scored 215 pts and did not play week 17Lynch scored 146

Despite having some incorrect numbers, his point is still valid. RB30 last year (Marshawn Lynch) scored ~147 points. WR30 (Danny Amendola) scored ~180 points. I'd be interested to hear from someone who thinks Marshawn Lynch was a better flex play than Amendola last season.

I missed the 1 PPR for RBs, thought it was 0... still think numbers would back up my point.

 

[Saint]

Thanks for posting the rosters. In relation to the other teams, I like your chances (ignoring Defense and Kicker). Here's my overall assessment of each team (bolded teams are my top 5 picks).

Lhucks: Nice draft, obvious holes at WR, but has the strongest RB squad to compensate. You have a nice TE duo as well, with the 1.5 pts ppr, Davis is a steal. Flex is strong. This is a top 5 team.

Team 2: QB is weak compared to the others. RB is weak compared to the others. Average WRs. Strongest TE squad. Flex play is average. Needs some RB and strong QB play to make the playoffs in my opinion.

Team 3: Good QBs, average RB, average WR, average TE, weaker at Flex play. All in all, really no weaknesses in this team. I think they can go deep and also one of the top 5 teams.

Team 4: Weakness at QB, average RB, Strong WR group, huge hole at TE play, and great Flex players. This team needs Gresham to step it up. I see this team finishing outside the top 5.

Team 5: Strong QB and RB squads, Huge weakness at WR, slight weakness at TE, weakest of them all for Flex players. One of the weaker teams IMO.

Team 6: Strongest QB play with Rodgers, huge weakness at RB, weak WR, average TE, weak at Flex play. Weaker overall IMO.

Team 7: Average QB (but great upside), strong RB, average WR, average TE, average Flex. This team is a contender and also one of my top 5.

Team 8: Average QB, slight weakness at RB, strong WR, weak TE, strong Flex. Has a lot of upside players on this team. I think this team is also a top 5.

Team 9: Strong QB (I like the Vick/Orton duo), average RB, slightly strong WR, slight weakness at TE, average Flex. This will be a tough team to beat. Also a top 5.

Team 10: Average QB, slightly strong RB, weak WR, strong TE, average Flex play. One of the middle of the pack teams.

Team 11: Huge hole at QB, average RB, average WR, strong TE, weak Flex. One of the weaker teams IMO.

Team 12: Average QB, weak RB, strongest WR team, average TE, strong Flex play. Another middle of the pack plays.

Overall, I think you did well. Things of interest to me:

[*]Donnie Avery was not drafted. This was surprising.

[*]Emmanuel Sanders not drafted. Also surprising.

With the deep WR squads, I would have expected those 2 to be off the board.

 

[Instinctive]

I am surprised about Avery and Sanders as well. In fact, I would like LHUCKS's team much more with Avery over Jones or Moss.

 

[Clayton Gray]

To be honest, Lhucks, I can't even tell how competitive your team is without seeing the other teams. To be posting a draft commentary about your picks without showing the draft board doesn't really help overly much in planning for a future draft. Any chance you can email the guy that asked to keep the draft hidden and ask to post if you scrub the names or something? That would be helpful.

Draft picks with respect to who drafted them are supposed to be Confidential - LHUCKS or anyone else in a draft can post their OWN team and that is ALL. These people paid money and the draft information is private (the only draft where all the picks and teams are available was the Red Vs Blue draft broadcast on blogtalk radio (still archived there but all the picks and teams are in a thread in the Shark Pool and another thread that has a link to the draft board in the FBG PC Forum.

Why? I can see scrubbing names Hook, but not showing the draft board is kinda lame. We're all into FF here and this is the type of information that I think is worthwhile. Once the draft is done, what does it matter to show a draft board with no names? Yes, I looked at the Red/Blue and it is helpful to see how some boards progress, but I find the more research available, the better off we all are. I appreciated what you did in your thread as well as Lhucks scrubbing names and posting. This is helpful and hence why I have stuck around FBG is for this information.

Because there are not some random mock drafts - these are leagues where people pay hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars are at stake. Even showing the drafts by rounds should not be permitted because people can easily find out which draft Hucks was in and then see who else was in the draft. Again, people expect confidentiality outside the individual leagues and that should be respected.PVH

what does it matter how much money you paid in? I am sure you will be one of the first ones to read another posters thread on how his real draft went.

The key is that many of the participants in leagues drafting now will also be drafting later in the preseason all the way up to the live FFPC drafts in Vegas. It would be completely unfair for someone in one of their later leagues to have access to prior drafts.

 

[Saint]

I am surprised about Avery and Sanders as well. In fact, I would like LHUCKS's team much more with Avery over Jones or Moss.

I would prefer Avery over Moss at this point. I just don't see Moss having much of an impact where he would become a key starter, whereas Avery could emerge as the go-to receiver and be of starting lineup value.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I like your draft but in the FFPC scoring format, I think it is a huge mistake to wait until Round 8 to draft your WR1. And then you drafted a rookie WR1. What WR did you pass on in Round 3 to take Bradshaw? I made the same mistake last year in my first FFPC draft. The value wasn't there so I kept waiting, but you can't wait 8 rounds.

You could hit the lottery with Randy Moss, but you will have trouble cracking into the top 3 teams without some free agent WR luck.