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Will Drew Bledsoe be a Hall of Famer??

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But let's break it down another way.  How many QB's playing this year would you take before Bledsoe (forget about age for a second, think "redraft" concepts here)?  I can easily count at least a half-dozen.  Sorry, but that's just not Hall of Fame material right there.
You could say the same thing about Favre.
I agree with you. The difference is that people aren't saying that Bledsoe is washed up.
 
As expected, let me ask you a question:How do you explain Aikman getting in the HOF this year with a 6+ YPA average for about half his career?
Aikman had a different job, which was to manage the offense and to convert third downs so that that phenomenal o-line could continue to pound the ball. He excelled at that. His cumulative numbers, despite getting hurt the last four years of his career by a declining and mediocre team around him, still total over 7 ypa and 60% completions, which were my threshhold indicators for "solid" QB'ing for lack of a better term. Then, of course, there's his record in the playoffs and Super Bowls:

Year  Opp   Result  |  CMP  ATT   PYD PTD INT  |  RSH    YD  TD---------------------+--------------------------+----------------- 1991  det  L,6-38   |   11   16   114   0   1  |    2     0   0 1992  phi  W,34-10  |   15   25   200   2   0  |    3    13   0 1992  sfo  W,30-20  |   24   34   322   2   0  |    3    -3   0*1992  buf  W,52-17  |   22   30   273   4   0  |    3    28   0 1993  gnb  W,27-17  |   28   37   302   3   2  |    3     0   0 1993  sfo  W,38-21  |   14   18   177   3   0  |    3    25   0*1993  buf  W,30-13  |   19   27   207   0   1  |    1     3   0 1994  gnb  W,35-9   |   23   30   337   2   1  |    1     2   0 1994  sfo  L,28-38  |   30   53   380   2   3  |    1     9   0 1995  phi  W,30-11  |   17   24   253   1   1  |    1     3   0 1995  gnb  W,38-27  |   21   33   255   2   0  |    3     6   0*1995  pit  W,27-17  |   15   23   209   1   0  |    4    -3   0 1996  min  W,40-15  |   19   29   178   0   1  |    2     4   1 1996  car  L,17-26  |   18   36   165   1   3  |    1     0   0 1998  ari  L,7-20   |   22   49   191   1   3  |    1     0   0 1999  min  L,10-27  |   22   38   286   0   1  |    0     0   0---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------TOTAL                |  320  502  3849  24  17  |   32    87   1
lolyeah Bledsoe never had to convert 3rd downs or manage an offense that's "a different job". :confused:

Pounding the ball? Martin=HOF, Smith=HOF.

kinda tough to defend YPA with Aikman on the steps of Canton isn't it? :boxing:

have a good night :)
It's fun blowing up arguments that never existed, isn't it Mrs. Bledsoe? :rolleyes:
 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety

 
Absolutely. With his stats now, he's right on the cusp. With 1-2 additional seasons, it would be ridiculous not to include him.

And enough of the comparisons to Testaverde. Bledsoe helped bring a team back from the depths of obscurity in the early 90s (along with Parcells & Kraft) and achieved his numbers in far less time than Vinny. I don't think Vinny would even be invited to a Super Bowl let alone be responsible for bringing a team there.

These obscure minor stats are not going to play a factor into whether or not he gets in.

 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
It's not a sham with Bob Griese?
 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
It's not a sham with Bob Griese?
Like I said, more of a sham than it already is.
 
Statistics are not the end all-be all of the HOF otherwise guys like Dave Krieg and Vinny Testaverde would be in there. HOF have a certain quality, a presence about them that you can't define, but you know it when you see it. Namath had it. Marino had it. Aikman had it. Favre has it. Peyton has it. Brady has it. Bledsoe...doesn't have it.

 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.

 
With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.

At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
That puts him into Art Monk territory, only, except that unlike Monk he will have never set the single season record in any of his categories, he won't retire with the highest career anything, and he'll have no comparison to the consecutive-game-with-a-catch record that Monk retired with too.
 
As expected, let me ask you a question:How do you explain Aikman getting in the HOF this year with a 6+ YPA average for about half his career?
Aikman had a different job, which was to manage the offense and to convert third downs so that that phenomenal o-line could continue to pound the ball. He excelled at that. His cumulative numbers, despite getting hurt the last four years of his career by a declining and mediocre team around him, still total over 7 ypa and 60% completions, which were my threshhold indicators for "solid" QB'ing for lack of a better term. Then, of course, there's his record in the playoffs and Super Bowls:

Year  Opp   Result  |  CMP  ATT   PYD PTD INT  |  RSH    YD  TD---------------------+--------------------------+----------------- 1991  det  L,6-38   |   11   16   114   0   1  |    2     0   0 1992  phi  W,34-10  |   15   25   200   2   0  |    3    13   0 1992  sfo  W,30-20  |   24   34   322   2   0  |    3    -3   0*1992  buf  W,52-17  |   22   30   273   4   0  |    3    28   0 1993  gnb  W,27-17  |   28   37   302   3   2  |    3     0   0 1993  sfo  W,38-21  |   14   18   177   3   0  |    3    25   0*1993  buf  W,30-13  |   19   27   207   0   1  |    1     3   0 1994  gnb  W,35-9   |   23   30   337   2   1  |    1     2   0 1994  sfo  L,28-38  |   30   53   380   2   3  |    1     9   0 1995  phi  W,30-11  |   17   24   253   1   1  |    1     3   0 1995  gnb  W,38-27  |   21   33   255   2   0  |    3     6   0*1995  pit  W,27-17  |   15   23   209   1   0  |    4    -3   0 1996  min  W,40-15  |   19   29   178   0   1  |    2     4   1 1996  car  L,17-26  |   18   36   165   1   3  |    1     0   0 1998  ari  L,7-20   |   22   49   191   1   3  |    1     0   0 1999  min  L,10-27  |   22   38   286   0   1  |    0     0   0---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------TOTAL                |  320  502  3849  24  17  |   32    87   1
lolyeah Bledsoe never had to convert 3rd downs or manage an offense that's "a different job". :confused:

Pounding the ball? Martin=HOF, Smith=HOF.

kinda tough to defend YPA with Aikman on the steps of Canton isn't it? :boxing:

have a good night :)
It's fun blowing up arguments that never existed, isn't it Mrs. Bledsoe? :rolleyes:
if you say so
 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
How many years in Bledsoe's career has he been one of the five best QBs in the entire NFL? For all of his numbers, he's made 4 pro bowls- and pro bowls are notoriously QB heavy (in the 4 seasons he got in, there were 8, 8, 9, and 7 pro bowl QBs). So four times in his career he's been one of the top 8 at his position? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?

With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.

At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
That puts him into Art Monk territory, only, except that unlike Monk he will have never set the single season record in any of his categories, he won't retire with the highest career anything, and he'll have no comparison to the consecutive-game-with-a-catch record that Monk retired with too.
Also, Art Monk made the 1980's All-Decade team. That means, at one point in time, he was considered one of the four best WRs in the entire NFL over the course of the 1980's. Drew Bledsoe has *NEVER* had a similar honor bestowed upon him- he's never been honored as one of the best at his position. I don't know if he's ever made an All-pro team. I know the only reason he's even considered as good as he is is because Parcells rode him until his arm fell off. He holds the NFL record for most passing attempts in a season (691) and game (70!!!) by *HUGE* margins. No wonder he has so many stats. Yeah, he's 7th on the all-time yardage list. He's also 5th on the attempts list. I don't think those two stats are unrelated.I think it's ludicrous that statistical totals can somehow make an average player HoF worthy. Sure, Bledsoe ranks 5th in NFL history in completions. I'd be willing to bet that he's in the top 5 in Incompletions, too. If being in the top 5 in completions makes him a stud, does being in the top 5 in Incompletions make him a bum?

 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
How many years in Bledsoe's career has he been one of the five best QBs in the entire NFL? For all of his numbers, he's made 4 pro bowls- and pro bowls are notoriously QB heavy (in the 4 seasons he got in, there were 8, 8, 9, and 7 pro bowl QBs). So four times in his career he's been one of the top 8 at his position? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?

With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.

At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
That puts him into Art Monk territory, only, except that unlike Monk he will have never set the single season record in any of his categories, he won't retire with the highest career anything, and he'll have no comparison to the consecutive-game-with-a-catch record that Monk retired with too.
Also, Art Monk made the 1980's All-Decade team. That means, at one point in time, he was considered one of the four best WRs in the entire NFL over the course of the 1980's. Drew Bledsoe has *NEVER* had a similar honor bestowed upon him- he's never been honored as one of the best at his position. I don't know if he's ever made an All-pro team. I know the only reason he's even considered as good as he is is because Parcells rode him until his arm fell off. He holds the NFL record for most passing attempts in a season (691) and game (70!!!) by *HUGE* margins. No wonder he has so many stats. Yeah, he's 7th on the all-time yardage list. He's also 5th on the attempts list. I don't think those two stats are unrelated.I think it's ludicrous that statistical totals can somehow make an average player HoF worthy. Sure, Bledsoe ranks 5th in NFL history in completions. I'd be willing to bet that he's in the top 5 in Incompletions, too. If being in the top 5 in completions makes him a stud, does being in the top 5 in Incompletions make him a bum?
Close.1. Marino - 3391

2. Elway - 3127

3. Favre - 2934

4t. Moon - 2835

4t. Testaverde - 2835

6. Bledsoe - 2799

7. Tarkenton - 2781

Dodds' projects Bledsoe for another 199 INCs this year; 2998 would put him third on the all time INC list. Meanwhile, Dodds is giving him another 300 CMP, which would put him fourth. So in another words, wait a year for the Bledsoe ranks higher in career INCs than career CMPs rant.

 
I will say this- if Drew Bledsoe makes it into the Hall of Fame, then it instantly becomes a sham (well, more of a sham than it already is). They should immediately change their name to "Hall of Very Good QBs and RBs and Ridiculously AMAZING Everything Elses". There have been 30 WRs/TEs enshrined, compared to 71 QB/HBs, despite the fact that there are more WR/TEs than QB/HBs in the game. Likewise, you have 46 offensive linemen enshrined, 25 DLinemen, 16 LBs, and 16 DBs, despite the fact that once again there are more players at all of those positions than there are combined QB/HBs. The HoF needs to mandate a limit of one QB or HB per season until that disparity is corrected. A top 5% WR deserves enshrinement every bit as much as a top 5% QB.

The HoF should make an effort to at least PRETEND to conform to actual on-the-field setups- which means people getting in a lot closer to the following ratio:

1 QB - 1 RB - .5 FB - 1.5 TE - 2 WR - 2 OT - 2 OG - 1 C - 2 DT - 2 DE - 3 LB - 2 CB - 2 Safeties.

as opposed to the current ratio:

4 QB - 4 RB - 1 FB - 1 TE - 3 WR - 2.5 OT - 1.5 OG - 1 C - 1.5 DT - 1.5 DE - 2 LB - 1 CB - 1 Safety
With 3 more good seasons, he will be at 54000 yards and over 300 touchdown passes.At some point, with stats like that, he has to get in. If he plays till he's 38 or 39 or 40 (6 more years), he could get even higher.
How many years in Bledsoe's career has he been one of the five best QBs in the entire NFL? For all of his numbers, he's made 4 pro bowls- and pro bowls are notoriously QB heavy (in the 4 seasons he got in, there were 8, 8, 9, and 7 pro bowl QBs). So four times in his career he's been one of the top 8 at his position? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?
Your premise is flawed, since no QB could be the absolute worst in the league for 40 years and retain his job year after year.However, change it to make him a mediocre QB for 40 years, from 10th-20th best every year, and I say yea, he's a hall of famer. Longevity counts for something.

 
However, change it to make him a mediocre QB for 40 years, from 10th-20th best every year, and I say yea, he's a hall of famer. Longevity counts for something.
Maybe, but not as much as you think. A player who was never the best or one of the top players at his position simply isn't a HoFer, IMO. Bledsoe falls into this category.
 
If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?
Your premise is flawed, since no QB could be the absolute worst in the league for 40 years and retain his job year after year.However, change it to make him a mediocre QB for 40 years, from 10th-20th best every year, and I say yea, he's a hall of famer. Longevity counts for something.
Are there currently any QB's in the Hall of Fame that meet that description or anything close to it? Who's in mainly on the basis of his longevity?
 
If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?
Your premise is flawed, since no QB could be the absolute worst in the league for 40 years and retain his job year after year.However, change it to make him a mediocre QB for 40 years, from 10th-20th best every year, and I say yea, he's a hall of famer. Longevity counts for something.
Are there currently any QB's in the Hall of Fame that meet that description or anything close to it? Who's in mainly on the basis of his longevity?
Warren Moon
 
If Bledsoe played for 40 years and was the worst starting QB in the league every single one of them, but he managed to put up 80,000 yards anyway, would he "have to get in"?
Your premise is flawed, since no QB could be the absolute worst in the league for 40 years and retain his job year after year.However, change it to make him a mediocre QB for 40 years, from 10th-20th best every year, and I say yea, he's a hall of famer. Longevity counts for something.
Are there currently any QB's in the Hall of Fame that meet that description or anything close to it? Who's in mainly on the basis of his longevity?
Warren Moon
Good example, but it's not a perfect example. Personally, I think it's clear that Warren Moon got in based partly on his CFL numbers. Maybe not entirely, but at least partly. That makes it much more than longevity- if you include his time in the CFL, he has the most passing yards in football history. Also, it wasn't the result of being a compiler, either- I'd say he's probably the best player in CFL history.Still, while I think that Moon is as borderline of a HoFer as a player can be (personally, if I were voting, he'd miss the cut... but only by the slimmest or margins), I don't think Bledsoe is as good of a QB as he was, and Bledsoe doesn't have the numbers that he has.

 
Does anyone else think the '01 playoffs could actually work against Bledsoe? Even though Brady obviously turned out to be a great QB, at the time, Bledsoe was chosen to be the backup in the Super Bowl to a first year starter. That just doesn't happen to Hall of Fame QB's when they are in the prime age of their careers.

 
I personally think that Bledsoe has a pretty fair chance to win another SB with Dallas in the next 2 years.

Then I think his chances go up astronomically.

So I say "probably not" if he retired after this season. But with T.O., Glenn, and Witten, well perhaps if they do well enough in the playoffs.

BTW, I hate Dallas but you have to think they might make something of this opportunity.

 
I personally think that Bledsoe has a pretty fair chance to win another SB with Dallas in the next 2 years.
Based on what? Despite his great numbers over the years, Owens has never gotten his team past the second round. Philly doesn't count, since he missed the NFC playoffs.

Parcells, for all the hype he gets, hasn't been to a Super Bowl in a decade. In fact, his success has gotten a little worse at each stop he has made.

NYG: Two Super Bowl wins

NE: One Super Bowl loss

NJY: One AFC title game loss

Dallas: One playoff appearance and loss in three seasons thus far

Factor in that Bledsoe isn't nearly good enough to carry a team on his back and get them anywhere in the playoffs, it is easy to see that the Cowboys, as of right now, do not have enough around him to win the Super Bowl, at least this coming season. Sure, the NFC is weak, and you could say they have as much a chance as anyone, but they would likely get blasted by whatever team is representing the AFC.

 

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