[DYNASTY] Backyard Brawl 4 Startup Draft (1 Viewer)

[kremenull]

DeSean's single season last year is better than anything either of those guys has ever individually produced. This kid single-handedly won a number of NFL games.Of course speed isn't all that is required, and these guys have displayed much more than speed. Excellent route-running, hands, and play-making ability in abundance is what I've witnessed. My point is that from these early ADPs, I'd rather get Maclin/Harvin/Britt at their ADP vs Dez or Crabtree at theirs......Trade Back!Just my 2c

You said it.. Djax SINGLE SEASON. I own the guy, he's great but for my $ not worth his adp. I think this year he will regress back closer to his 1st year numbers. Just for my taste and what I've seen, I'll take Maclin over him at this point. He was certainly becoming more prominent and developing a good rapport with McNabb at season's end and playoffs. I also don't see Maclin disappearing during games sometimes the way Djax has. He's a great boom/bust guy. Just a preference. Wouldn't shock me if by next season Maclin is the "go to"

What makes you think he will regress to his rookie year numbers? I think in general, that a WR's 2nd year is more telling of future production than his rookie year. Also, any rapport Maclin and Mcnabb might have had is probably useless as Mcnabb might not be an Eagle for much longer. The scary thing about Jackson is he put up those numbers with 65 catches. The guys upside is off the charts, no other WR in the league is as dangerous with the ball in his hands.

That's precisely my point.. a regression to average. How many times you think he's gonna continue to score 50yd. TD's catching 65? He had around 9 from that range. You won't be seeing that again. Not that either is a "red zone" guy but go look how many times DJax was targeted inside the 20. Maclin is more of the threat then he is. He topped out with those TD numbers on such small rec. amount which is my other red flag. Number 1 WR on a pass happy team with 65...somethings not adding up. With Celek and Maclin improving his TD's only figure to decrease. he also was targeted LESS when Kolb QB'd

I guess it is only right to expect a guy to "top out" in his 2nd year. He's clearly reached his zenith, those damn young guys can only have one really good season in their entire career and certainly can't improve upon any facet of their game...... .

 

[Sinrj]

I won the top pick in the draft and did some maneuvering. That's why you won't see my team with a 1st round pick. The big one is below:I gave:1.01/2.14/7.01I got:1.10/2.05/3.10After the trades, that gave me 6 picks in the first 38. That was huge in this format, where depth is so, so valuable.

Chris Johnson (or Peterson) is worth a lot more then that. When you have the luck to get the top pick this year you don't trade it for depth let alone add a top 30 players (2.14).

Exactly the opposite.....This was very savvy, "Shark-esque" manuevering by doowain to assemble the team he has. Got excellent value with all the key selections. He mastered this draft the way the board shook out.....not a huge fan of all the players he did select, but u can't argue the value where he got them.......

You are confusing pick value and actual players value. The end result is terrible. He gave up CJ3 AND Vernon Davis (16th overall and 3rd among WR/TE last year) to do some manuevering?

I don't think you are fully understanding the end result. You see I gave up CJ3 and VD. I see that it allowed me to then trade the 1.10 for the 2.07 (Desean for VJax - who I like better anyway) and 6.14 (Matt Ryan) for 3.08 (Mendenhall). Also, from the earlier trade, 7.01 was Tony Gonzalez and 3.10 was Dwayne Bowe.So, if you look at the overall picture, it's:Matt Ryan CJ3VDGonzalezfor ColstonVJaxMendenhallDBoweI make that trade every time and don't think twice about it.

Its misleading because he went for Tony G. at 7.01 when much better value was available IMO (Flacco, Winslow, Cutler, Addai, Zack Miller, Stafford, Sanchez etc.)In that scoring system Davis is the 2nd best player in that trade (by far) and we all know who's the #1.It will be interesting to look at this trade next year. Good read nonetheless and good luck to all

 

[doowain]

You are confusing pick value and actual players value. The end result is terrible. He gave up CJ3 AND Vernon Davis (16th overall and 3rd among WR/TE last year) to do some manuevering?

I don't think you are fully understanding the end result. You see I gave up CJ3 and VD. I see that it allowed me to then trade the 1.10 for the 2.07 (Desean for VJax - who I like better anyway) and 6.14 (Matt Ryan) for 3.08 (Mendenhall). Also, from the earlier trade, 7.01 was Tony Gonzalez and 3.10 was Dwayne Bowe.So, if you look at the overall picture, it's:Matt Ryan CJ3VDGonzalezfor ColstonVJaxMendenhallDBoweI make that trade every time and don't think twice about it.

Its misleading because he went for Tony G. at 7.01 when much better value was available IMO (Flacco, Winslow, Cutler, Addai, Zack Miller, Stafford, Sanchez etc.)In that scoring system Davis is the 2nd best player in that trade (by far) and we all know who's the #1.It will be interesting to look at this trade next year. Good read nonetheless and good luck to all

So, based on what you're telling me, you'd take VD in the 1st round? Because how I'm interpreting what you said, it tells me that you think VD should've come off the board before that 2nd tier of WRs.Please explain your reasoning.

 

[GSWarriors]

You are confusing pick value and actual players value. The end result is terrible. He gave up CJ3 AND Vernon Davis (16th overall and 3rd among WR/TE last year) to do some manuevering?

I don't think you are fully understanding the end result. You see I gave up CJ3 and VD. I see that it allowed me to then trade the 1.10 for the 2.07 (Desean for VJax - who I like better anyway) and 6.14 (Matt Ryan) for 3.08 (Mendenhall). Also, from the earlier trade, 7.01 was Tony Gonzalez and 3.10 was Dwayne Bowe.So, if you look at the overall picture, it's:Matt Ryan CJ3VDGonzalezfor ColstonVJaxMendenhallDBoweI make that trade every time and don't think twice about it.

Its misleading because he went for Tony G. at 7.01 when much better value was available IMO (Flacco, Winslow, Cutler, Addai, Zack Miller, Stafford, Sanchez etc.)In that scoring system Davis is the 2nd best player in that trade (by far) and we all know who's the #1.It will be interesting to look at this trade next year. Good read nonetheless and good luck to all

So, based on what you're telling me, you'd take VD in the 1st round? Because how I'm interpreting what you said, it tells me that you think VD should've come off the board before that 2nd tier of WRs.Please explain your reasoning.

if VD was my #1 TE, I would personally take him after Andre, Calvin, Fitz, Jennings, Austin, Roddy, and Marshall....would take my #1 TE capable of stringing together 75-900-9 (255 FP) over the next tier of WRs who IMO can max out around 250 FP (Holmes, Colston, VJax etc etc).

 

[doowain]

So, based on what you're telling me, you'd take VD in the 1st round? Because how I'm interpreting what you said, it tells me that you think VD should've come off the board before that 2nd tier of WRs.Please explain your reasoning.

if VD was my #1 TE, I would personally take him after Andre, Calvin, Fitz, Jennings, Austin, Roddy, and Marshall....would take my #1 TE capable of stringing together 75-900-9 (255 FP) over the next tier of WRs who IMO can max out around 250 FP (Holmes, Colston, VJax etc etc).

While that's all well and good, the shelf life of a TE is typically shorter than that of a WR. And while VD's 2009 season was amazing, we all quickly forget how pedestrian he was prior to that. Now, I'm not saying his talent was the reason for that, but it's certainly worth noting. Also, his long term QB situation is murky at best.

 

[Sinrj]

You are confusing pick value and actual players value. The end result is terrible. He gave up CJ3 AND Vernon Davis (16th overall and 3rd among WR/TE last year) to do some manuevering?

I don't think you are fully understanding the end result. You see I gave up CJ3 and VD. I see that it allowed me to then trade the 1.10 for the 2.07 (Desean for VJax - who I like better anyway) and 6.14 (Matt Ryan) for 3.08 (Mendenhall). Also, from the earlier trade, 7.01 was Tony Gonzalez and 3.10 was Dwayne Bowe.So, if you look at the overall picture, it's:Matt Ryan CJ3VDGonzalezfor ColstonVJaxMendenhallDBoweI make that trade every time and don't think twice about it.

Its misleading because he went for Tony G. at 7.01 when much better value was available IMO (Flacco, Winslow, Cutler, Addai, Zack Miller, Stafford, Sanchez etc.)In that scoring system Davis is the 2nd best player in that trade (by far) and we all know who's the #1.It will be interesting to look at this trade next year. Good read nonetheless and good luck to all

So, based on what you're telling me, you'd take VD in the 1st round? Because how I'm interpreting what you said, it tells me that you think VD should've come off the board before that 2nd tier of WRs.Please explain your reasoning.

If I get the league setup right (1.5 ppr for TE and no TE required) yes he should've come off the board before the likes of Jackson and Colston if you believe he's for real. Because if he is for real he'll outproduce most of them by a wide margin. Just like he did in 2009. And he just turned 26 iirc.