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No. Assistant Coach would be a guy asking something specific to his team that isn't of interest to most of the board. Talking about Dynasty DB ranking is absolutely the kind of topic we want here.J
I play the value game within tiers. Generally speaking, that means, in redraft leagues, I'm looking at the stud DE first, then heavily hitting the back end of the high upside LB2 tier (around LB15-25 off the board) and only grabbing a safety when they're clearly strong value. Some years, that means grabbing one of the first safeties off the board. Other years, I'll take high upside prospects after 20 or more go off the board and play the waiver/free agent list hard. I generally shy away from 3-4 OLB, CB or DT unless they make sense as a high upside option as a flex lineup play.The strategy is similar in dynasty leagues, though I'll generally be a little more likely to draft a talented LB or S with staying power a round or two earlier and less likely to take upside IDP risks if there's any offensive upside to be found.
Read this closely - this is most of IDP draft strategy boiled down into about five sentences.I'd be interested to see a Perfect Draft article that integrated IDPs some year.
Moore was admittedly much more consistent over the second half of 2010, but I'm not ready to give him clear DB2+ status over the long term yet. I think he's certainly a good DB3 upside risk, though.
I think the big difference here is that there's a lot of DBs that can produce numbers, whereas the cliff is much steeper for DL. (And generally unless it's DT required, you're mostly best off sticking to DE over DT).Generally, I try to focus on stud LB and DL first, and fill in DB last.
Upside is limited alongside Landry and behind what should again be average to above-average ILB tacklers. Probably DB3+, with a lot of inconsistency.
With Atogwe in the fold, do you see Landry in the box even more this year?
Landry was primarily in the box as a roving enforcer last year before his injury and I doubt there are many additional snaps to be found outside of those packages. I think the number of defensive snaps is his only limiting factor. If the Redskins are more consistent on defense, his numbers might take a small hit. Otherwise, if the Achilles' is a non-issue, the sky's again the limit for him.
Thomas is listed within the elite "corners to consider" tier. He's safer now than he was last year, when there were rumors he could slide back into a nickel role, and seems likely to continue to be a top 5-10 corner in 2011.
Could be. I wouldn't risk him as anything more than a depth with upside pick (i.e. 5th DB in a start 3 league) and it's likely that spot can be better used on another player. If he does look healthy and in form during the preseason, he might rightly be ranked in the DB3 tier or above, but you'll need a ready back-up plan if you're the one betting on him.
Spievey has a better chance than Greene, I think, to be back as starters. Both fall into the usual "watch during camp and pounce on upside" group for now. Both can tackle and both might be fortunate to be behind a suspect linebacker group.
They drafted the 'best player available'(highest on their draft board) I believe. With Greer and Porter who are considered good players on the outside, Robinson would be the slot or 3rd cornerback.Jene what are your thoughts on Patrick Robinson - chosen in the first round by NO. He didn't play much of a role last year. Any chance he might break the starting lineup at CB this year. He was pretty good in his tackling in a couple of the weeks he was in - not sure if he was starting those games or just in as a nickle back. It just seems so strange that their number one pick wasn't on the field more....Thoughts anymone - Saints Homers??
I am holding both of these guys in one league. I have read that McBath will get a chance to start at free safety with Renaldo Hill moving to strong safety. Chancellor will likely start at strong safety if Milloy isn't still on the team. I am higher on Chancellor myself.
Since they'll often average about half of their team's defensive snaps in any given season (and sometimes play 80% in a single game), it's arguable that a team's 3rd cornerback is the defense's 12th starter. You can never have enough talented coverage players. The Saints could afford to take the best player on their board as TMMWN noted, and did. Greer and Porter haven't been very durable, but it's difficult to see Robinson playing full time until 2012, when Porter could leave as a free agent.Jene what are your thoughts on Patrick Robinson - chosen in the first round by NO. He didn't play much of a role last year. Any chance he might break the starting lineup at CB this year. He was pretty good in his tackling in a couple of the weeks he was in - not sure if he was starting those games or just in as a nickle back. It just seems so strange that their number one pick wasn't on the field more....Thoughts anymone - Saints Homers??
Close, but I like McBath slightly more. Haven't seen Chancellor on tape much, and McBath has a poorer supporting cast to bump his opportunity.
That's a very good idea.I started on a new set of tiers this afternoon and scrapped it because there were too many guys "in limbo." The winners/losers angle works much better. Let me see what I can put together.Can you update this now Jene? I know when I spoke with you before you were a little lower on McBath now that Denver drafted a Safety kind of high!! Will you post what DB's are winners and losers after the draft? Thanks Jene your content is great.
Thanks Jene much appreciated.That's a very good idea.I started on a new set of tiers this afternoon and scrapped it because there were too many guys "in limbo." The winners/losers angle works much better. Let me see what I can put together.Can you update this now Jene? I know when I spoke with you before you were a little lower on McBath now that Denver drafted a Safety kind of high!! Will you post what DB's are winners and losers after the draft? Thanks Jene your content is great.
If the temporary stay is lifted and we get free agency, things will get hopping around here pretty quickly. In that event, we'll all likely have rankings up within a week or so and I'll have some new tier thoughts then.
Messy.Not sure Sean Jones or Tanard Jackson are guaranteed a roster spot. Don't think much of Cody Grimm or Corey Lynch and Ahmad Black is an unknown. I'd guess that Jones and Grimm are the front runners, with Black a significant threat to Grimm. With Black on the roster and some suggestion that the coaches like Grimm, Jackson may not be brought back even if he's reinstated. The linebackers may be weak enough (if Ruud leaves) for both safeties to have intermittent DB2/DB3 value, but I'd avoid it unless/until there's some clarity on the depth chart.
Why so low on Cody? I thought he did an admirable job (as an IDP player) when Tanard was out. So you believe Black will eventually take over Grimms spot?
I think he was inconsistent, which you cannot be in the NFC South when you play in a Tampa-2 coverage scheme. I'm not certain Black is the answer, but I think he's good enough to get a shot at some point.
I think they plan to make the move to safety permanent. He's likely to play every down. I have some concerns that he may not hold up over 1000 snaps, and his opportunity will definitely be affected by how the Lions approach the LB position in free agency. Call him a DB3/4 (top 50) who's likely to have a few very strong games and a number of stinkers.
Feel like I should mention that the tiers above are from late last season.I've got an eye on Jermale Hines, but I think Dahl is safe in his current role. That includes the hybrid LB role in subpackages that bumped his value significantly if the Rams don't look at improving the OLB spots in free agency.
**** Jauron is very unlikely to blitz the safety much. He prefers to pressure with the front four. I think Ward's value lies from the so-so front seven -- depending on how quickly the front four comes together, as the DT group could be pretty good -- and what could be solid tackle opportunity overall.
Just saw this regarding Dahl via Rotoworld. I hope he's not moving to FS.Craig Dahl is the only player listed as a free safety on the Rams' post-draft offseason roster.Analysis: The rest of St. Louis' safeties are just listed as "S", or as strong safeties ("SS"). Dahl started 13 games last season, although the majority of his starts were at strong safety. He recorded 98 tackles, two interceptions, and a forced fumble, and is currently the best safety on the Rams' roster.
Caught this Q and paged down looking for a reply and none there so here goes:Toler's production last year in ARI was a result of playing opposite Rodger-Cromartie, at least that's the conclusion I came to. Depending on your scoring system, he (Toler) rated as high as the #2-CB and in the top 10 when included with the safety's in most leagues.In leagues that require CB starters, Pete should be a golden play as he's rated as close to a "once in a blue-moon" type. He should replace Toler, who most likely becomes the "nickle corner".Peterson has an additional upside as he's a unique DEF player....one that looks at the game differently, kinda like Deon Sanders did. Both those guys have one thing in common: they are looking to get the ball in their hands and return it over the opposition's goal line as a scoring threat. They actually approach the game differently: an OFF mindset on the DEF side of the ball.Throw in the PN returner aspect and the scoring system and starter requirements of your league; these dictate the placement of Peterson in your draft. If Peterson is moved to his best use (as a FS) watch out. He's a big play waiting/itching to happen.I created an interesting flury of discussion in an IDP, 2-ea. CB starter required league, by drafting Peterson at the 2.01 spot (#13). I'll let the rest fight over table scraps at WR and RB and take what I consider to be a sure bet any day.
Looks like a reasonably safe DB3 for now. Jags haven't yet brought in clear competition for him, though Chris Prosinski might end up at SS. They haven't yet upgraded at LB which should shunt some opportunity to the secondary. Greene isn't a special talent, however, and any IDP whose value is based solely on opportunity can be risky.
I'd be surprised if the Eagles aren't starting Allen and Jarrett on opening weekend, but Jarrett's ETA could be delayed a few weeks without OTAs and a shortened camp. Definitely think Mikell is elsewhere.
Thanks Jene. I was hoping to hear that Coleman would be in the mix, but I don't know a ton about any of them. It seems like someone there is going to be a good value in dynasty.
I think the length of the lockout is the key in most of these situations. If it drags on and the season is delayed/shortened/etc, Coleman might start half the season. In the longer term dynasty window, though, it's going to be Jarrett at SS and Allen at FS.
