[DYNASTY] LT and trade market discussion (1 Viewer)

[Crippler]

I own LT and Sproles, M Turner, Foster, D Williams and D Wright. I also own the 1.1 and am weak at WR with Housh, S Moss, Hackett, Burleson and A Davis. Someone offered the 1.2, Jacobs, Calvin Johnson for the 2.1 and LT2. Im about to pull the trigger since my dynasty only survives bc of LT2. Its time to rebuild.Edit to mention those are the 1.1, and 1.2 rookie draft picks.

Here is the type of trade that you have to wonder. While the value is there, you will now have maybe 5 starting RB's but not one guy that is a guy you can rely on. Each week you will be pulling your hair out on who to start and cursing when you did the wrong guy. I know adding Calvin is probably the biggest piece but you get off to a good start at lets say 4-2 and your 2 rookies are sucking and you need a big time RB to make a push. Now trade Turner, DeAngelo, 1.1 and a Hackett or Burleson who someone might love and bring in a big name RB and Calvin and your team goes from last(not sure how you finished there any ways) and make a big push. I personally just dont like having too much depth in the end. Also not that big on this years RB class. It is much deeper than the Brown/Caddy/DeAngelo year but this is what I expect from the top.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I moved LT, Irons and the #22 and #24 rookie picks for Gore, B Jackson and the #10 and #26 picks.

I was taking over a dynasty team and had close to zero chance to compete in 2008. So making the decision to trade LT and do it now was pretty easy. Sent an e-mail to the league soliciting offers and got very little interest. So took what was available after I sent a few specific offers of my own.

In the end I was pretty happy with the deal. I think Gore had the worst uninjured season he'll have for awhile in 2007, am higher on Jackson than most (ok, anyone) and think the #10 pick this year is worth more than it would be in other years. I also think that Irons will never amount to anything even if he has a flash in the pan year in 2008.

 

[redman]

I moved LT, Irons and the #22 and #24 rookie picks for Gore, B Jackson and the #10 and #26 picks.I was taking over a dynasty team and had close to zero chance to compete in 2008. So making the decision to trade LT and do it now was pretty easy. Sent an e-mail to the league soliciting offers and got very little interest. So took what was available after I sent a few specific offers of my own.In the end I was pretty happy with the deal. I think Gore had the worst uninjured season he'll have for awhile in 2007, am higher on Jackson than most (ok, anyone) and think the #10 pick this year is worth more than it would be in other years. I also think that Irons will never amount to anything even if he has a flash in the pan year in 2008.

This deal was essentially I moved LT, Irons and the #22 rookie pick for Gore, B Jackson and the #10 pick. I like Gore, but I'm not a fan of this trade. Irons and Jackson are similarly valued for now, so you essentially moved up 12 spots in the rookie draft to be able to get a decent-but-not-great prospect at the 1.10 spot, in exchange for giving up LT for Gore. Yeah, Gore's four years younger, but I don't think you got enough here.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This deal was essentially I moved LT, Irons and the #22 rookie pick for Gore, B Jackson and the #10 pick. I like Gore, but I'm not a fan of this trade. Irons and Jackson are similarly valued for now, so you essentially moved up 12 spots in the rookie draft to be able to get a decent-but-not-great prospect at the 1.10 spot, in exchange for giving up LT for Gore. Yeah, Gore's four years younger, but I don't think you got enough here.

This could be true. But, again I rate B Jax as a decent prospect and Irons as having pretty close to zero chance to be an impact player. YMMV, but that influenced my decision.And even so, I was committed to moving LT and that was what the market would pay.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

This deal was essentially I moved LT, Irons and the #22 rookie pick for Gore, B Jackson and the #10 pick. I like Gore, but I'm not a fan of this trade. Irons and Jackson are similarly valued for now, so you essentially moved up 12 spots in the rookie draft to be able to get a decent-but-not-great prospect at the 1.10 spot, in exchange for giving up LT for Gore. Yeah, Gore's four years younger, but I don't think you got enough here.

This could be true. But, again I rate B Jax as a decent prospect and Irons as having pretty close to zero chance to be an impact player. YMMV, but that influenced my decision.And even so, I was committed to moving LT and that was what the market would pay.

It's a bad idea to be committed to making a specific move, unless there is value in the move.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It's a bad idea to be committed to making a specific move, unless there is value in the move.

The value in the move is that I had a total rebuild on my hand and I thought his value today would be greater than his value in the future. What he does in 2008 is irrelevant from my standpoint, and I didn't want to risk an injury or trying to sell him at 30 years old.

 

[redman]

For those former LT owners who have completed LT trades, who initiated the successful trade talks, you or your leaguemate?

 

[BigTex]

I've been offered the 1.01 and 1.03 picks for L.T. with Westbrook and LJ on my roster I'll still be competitive.

 

[supa mann]

I have been thinking all offeason about trading either Westbrook or Portis and making a move for LT. Is this the right time? I am always looking to tweak my team a little here and there but man those two guys have been consistent for me. I know the run can't last forever, so is it time to go for LT and try to win a couple titles before he runs out of gas?

Can we discuss the value for Westbrook and Portis in relation to LT? I realize LT > Westbrook > Portis but how much more value does he have? With LT's carries in comparison is he going to be too pricey to make it worthwhile? Here is my current roster:

14 team dynasty - 24 man rosters - Start QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, K, D/ST - Performance scoring with 1/2ppr for WR/TE

QB - Romo, Manning

RB - Westbrook, Portis/Betts, Benson/Peterson

WR - TO, Housh, Jennings, Reggie Williams, Burleson, Carter

TE - Gonzo, Shanko

K - Dawson

D - Colts, Ravens

Have the 1.11 rookie pick via trade and all 2009 picks.

I'm having a hard time coming up with a trade that adds enough to my team and is fair for the LT owner. If you own Westbrook and Portis, who else can you really consider trading for? Addai, AP, SJax, LJ, Lynch, Grant? I just won back to back titles with this squad and a little afraid of jacking up my squad, but if I can get LT and keep my WR core and have a backfield of either LT/Westy or LT/Portis I would be pretty hard to stop. Thoughts?

 

[redman]

I have been thinking all offeason about trading either Westbrook or Portis and making a move for LT. Is this the right time? I am always looking to tweak my team a little here and there but man those two guys have been consistent for me. I know the run can't last forever, so is it time to go for LT and try to win a couple titles before he runs out of gas? Can we discuss the value for Westbrook and Portis in relation to LT? I realize LT > Westbrook > Portis but how much more value does he have? With LT's carries in comparison is he going to be too pricey to make it worthwhile? Here is my current roster:14 team dynasty - 24 man rosters - Start QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, K, D/ST - Performance scoring with 1/2ppr for WR/TEQB - Romo, ManningRB - Westbrook, Portis/Betts, Benson/PetersonWR - TO, Housh, Jennings, Reggie Williams, Burleson, CarterTE - Gonzo, ShankoK - DawsonD - Colts, RavensHave the 1.11 rookie pick via trade and all 2009 picks. I'm having a hard time coming up with a trade that adds enough to my team and is fair for the LT owner. If you own Westbrook and Portis, who else can you really consider trading for? Addai, AP, SJax, LJ, Lynch, Grant? I just won back to back titles with this squad and a little afraid of jacking up my squad, but if I can get LT and keep my WR core and have a backfield of either LT/Westy or LT/Portis I would be pretty hard to stop. Thoughts?

Why would you trade Westbrook or Portis for an older player with a lot more mileage on him, especially when you'll inevitably also have to give up something else to land LT? That makes no sense to me.

 

[supa mann]

Why would you trade Westbrook or Portis for an older player with a lot more mileage on him, especially when you'll inevitably also have to give up something else to land LT? That makes no sense to me.

Well, that is sort of my question. Mainly because LT is almost a lock to have 2,000 yards (rushing/receiving) and 18-20 TD's and neither Westbrook or Portis are likely to hit anywhere near those kind of numbers. Also, LT if he chooses to could easily play as long as Emmitt and destroy all his numbers. Not saying he will and won't get injured, but if there was ever a back in the league that I think COULD do it, it would be LT. So, I think LT has at least 2-3 more years of uberstud production before seeing any significant decrease and even then he's probably better than 85% of the runners in the league. I guess I just value LT really highly.

 

[FUBAR]

Why would you trade Westbrook or Portis for an older player with a lot more mileage on him, especially when you'll inevitably also have to give up something else to land LT? That makes no sense to me.---------------------------------Well, that is sort of my question. Mainly because LT is almost a lock to have 2,000 yards (rushing/receiving) and 18-20 TD's and neither Westbrook or Portis are likely to hit anywhere near those kind of numbers. Also, LT if he chooses to could easily play as long as Emmitt and destroy all his numbers. Not saying he will and won't get injured, but if there was ever a back in the league that I think COULD do it, it would be LT. So, I think LT has at least 2-3 more years of uberstud production before seeing any significant decrease and even then he's probably better than 85% of the runners in the league. I guess I just value LT really highly.

Westbrook had 2104 yards and 12 TDs - 140.26 yards and 0.8 TDs per gameLT had 1949 yards and 18 TDs - 121.8 and 1.125 TDs per gameI'd say Westbrook is somewhere "near" LT's stats. I'd include something with Westbrook or Portis for LT, but it wouldn't be anything that will hurt my lineup.

 

[redman]

Why would you trade Westbrook or Portis for an older player with a lot more mileage on him, especially when you'll inevitably also have to give up something else to land LT? That makes no sense to me.---------------------------------Well, that is sort of my question. Mainly because LT is almost a lock to have 2,000 yards (rushing/receiving) and 18-20 TD's and neither Westbrook or Portis are likely to hit anywhere near those kind of numbers. Also, LT if he chooses to could easily play as long as Emmitt and destroy all his numbers. Not saying he will and won't get injured, but if there was ever a back in the league that I think COULD do it, it would be LT. So, I think LT has at least 2-3 more years of uberstud production before seeing any significant decrease and even then he's probably better than 85% of the runners in the league. I guess I just value LT really highly.

Westbrook had 2104 yards and 12 TDs - 140.26 yards and 0.8 TDs per gameLT had 1949 yards and 18 TDs - 121.8 and 1.125 TDs per gameI'd say Westbrook is somewhere "near" LT's stats. I'd include something with Westbrook or Portis for LT, but it wouldn't be anything that will hurt my lineup.

Plus, all other things remaining equal, the more that a player's fantasy production is dependent upon TD's as opposed to yardage, the more volatile and less reliable his production is. Westy relies more upon yardage than does LT.

 

[Lash]

just to add to the discussion, not to ask who won deal

LT

Plaxico

Croyle

for

Portis

Marshall

1.10

just in general i'd think you could trade for LT now because his value is at it's lowest in years

you can always trade LT back to a contender close to playoff time if you so choose

 

[aDingoAteMyBaby]

About a month ago I traded away LT in a hybrid keeper/dynasty league. Like Bloom, I was very concerned seeing that knee injury at the end of last year from a RB who has basically been healthy his whole career. There were only a couple players that I targeted as part of a trade. Ultimately, I ended up getting Steven Jackson, Greg Jennings and a 2009 1st round pick. Since the league is setup where rookies can be under contract for up to 4 years, Jennings was still under contract significantly increasing his value in the format. I also think SJax will be the top RB in 2008, so getting him was a high priority.

The point being, as an LT owner, now is a good time to look at players you think might be better over the next 5 years and open talks. You're in the drivers seat, so wait until you get what you want..... actually, go out and get what you want. If you wait for others to come to you, you'll end up with a bunch of bad offers.

 

[mdog1967]

If you like Gore as a cornerstone, it's a good trade for the future. I personally don't like him enough to do the deal, but if no other offers are coming and you're insisting on dealing LT, it's a solid deal. I've just never been one to convince myself to make a deal before I know what's on the table.If your rosters are DEEP, it's a much better deal than if they aren't.

A good post, and as you know coming from me to you it means something.

 

[JPeso]

Ultimately, I ended up getting Steven Jackson, Greg Jennings and a 2009 1st round pick. Since the league is setup where rookies can be under contract for up to 4 years, Jennings was still under contract significantly increasing his value in the format. I also think SJax will be the top RB in 2008, so getting him was a high priority.

S-Jax>LT in a dynasty, so I'd say you made out like a bandit adding Jennings and an 09 1st.

 

[Lash]

hmmm...better wait a year

LT has an unreal regular season schedule (nearly the best possible based on last years rush defenses) and has a nice playoff schedule. Only 4 teams in the top 1/2 rush defense wise Pitt (4), NE (10), NO (13) and Indy (15). Buff (25), Atl (26), KC (28) x2, Jets (29), Den (30) x2, Oak (31) x2, and Miami (32) that's 10 of his 16 games vs. the bottom 1/6th of the league. That's sick for the reigning #1 RB.The playoff sched. is...Oak (31)KC (28)TB (17)(last years' rank)

 

[jwb]

So, I bit the bullet and traded Tomlinson yesterday. Something about seeing him on the sidelines during the AFC title game just made a little voice in my head say "It's time to deal LT".

That says it all for me - if you feel this way about a player, trade him. Get what you think is a decent amount back, but trade him. I really like the deal for you, and I think it's things like this that keep dynasty teams competitive. Trade the guys before they hit the wall - yea, you may miss out on a great year, but getting Gore back makes up for that. And once LT falls off the cliff, he's gone for good. It all comes down to play style, because obviously there is a smart owner on the other end of this deal. He even stated "I'd rather lose with LT than lose without him" - a point I find hard to argue with. That said, I'd still do what Bloom did. Personally, I think LT is in for a year that will clearly put him on the downslope.Some guys like vets right to the end. Some don't. There's room for both

 

[Lash]

he still has trade value

just traded LT for MJD/Wayne in a contract league (Wayne's contract up at year end)

so basically traded LT (2008-2012) for MJD (2008-2011) and Reggie Wayne (2008)

 

[JetMaxx]

In a smaller dynasty league, I just completed a trade involving LT today:

Gave:

LT

Felix Jones

Holt

Received:

SJax

JLewis

Boldin

I knew the time had come for me and LT to part ways. There wasn't a lot of interest league wide so I am happy at getting SJax and Boldin out of this but I did have to sweeten the deal by including Jones.

 

[Lash]

bump

got rid of LT in 3 of 4 leagues that i owned him so just wondering what the market is now (if any) if anyone has traded him lately

 

[kellumsboys]

traded away LT 2 years ago before the season started along with anquan boldin for adrain peterson and braylon edwards

that has worked out pretty good so far even with edwards slippery hands

 

[•TheRealMcCoy]

WOW! Seeing Blooms post here and the trade he made along with a couple of other trade posts of LT in here I would say EVERYONE who traded LT the past 2 years got quite a bit for him!

Im interested to see what value he has now? If any at all? To go from fetching guys like Peterson and Gore and even Z. Miller to this year probably not getting much at all?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I just got LT in a trade for a 2011 3rd round rookie pick. I can't believe how far he has fallen.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I dealt him in a 16 team IDP dynasty for Lawrence Timmons during the 2nd half of the season, pretty sure I wouldnt get near that now.

 

[coolnerd]

I actually just traded for LT. 10 team 2QB, 3rd, 4wr, 2te with full IDP. My team won in 2006, and was the high scorer, but lost in semis in 2007. The offensive players on the team are old, but still have top 5 at their position potential. I had to make the decison to either to continue down the short term road or sell off to get younger. My choice was the former.

San Francisco 49ers gave up Edwards, Trent BUF QB;Leonard, Brian STL RB;Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB;Boley, Michael ATL LB;Timmons, Lawrence PIT LB

New Orleans Saints gave up Smith, Alex SFO QB;Gore, Frank SFO RB;Robinson, Michael SFO RB;Winslow, Kellen CLE TE;McIntosh, Roger WAS LB

my roster.

http://football40.myfantasyleague.com/2007...F=0006&O=07

The core of the trade is LT for Gore and Winslow. EVerything else is bunch of window dressing. I have Cooley and Daniels who were top 10 at TE, so I still have an above average position.

I don't really expect to get great value for LT either during the season or before the 2009 season. My willingness to trade will be related to how well does my strategy work and of ocurse how close to value I am getting for LT or TO.

Was literally able to get Gore back before the season(I know you don't really care)Philadelphia Eagles gave up Coffee, Glen SFO RB;Gore, Frank SFO RB

New Orleans Saints gave up Tomlinson, LaDainian SDC RB;Massaquoi, Mohamed CLE WR; Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick from Pittsburgh Steelers