Zimm
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Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)
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Banemorth
Footballguy
Thanks for the rankings, always love comparing other perceptions to mine. A couple questions:
1) It wasn't terribly clear what the asterisks represent, what's the significance?
2) Didn't see any rookies listed there, I assume you're waiting for April's draft? Otherwise, what's the ETA?
1) It wasn't terribly clear what the asterisks represent, what's the significance?
2) Didn't see any rookies listed there, I assume you're waiting for April's draft? Otherwise, what's the ETA?
Here is one thing I always cant get my head around. You have 2 WR`s in top 7 but your ranked 10th at QB. This just does not equate to me
Glaring error in my eyes was Carson Palmer at 13 in dynasty. Way, way too high. Some nice names below him who have arms, age and better team on side.
Glaring error in my eyes was Carson Palmer at 13 in dynasty. Way, way too high. Some nice names below him who have arms, age and better team on side.
Zimm
Footballguy
I am high on Palmer...See the assistant coach, He had a solid fantasy year after just being tossed to the wolves and on top of that had his top 3 WR's missing for a good portion of the season and no DMC at all.
Black
Footballguy
Seems odd you have A. Bradshaw lower than guys like:
M.Leshoure: hasn't played a snap of NFL football and coming off a bad injury
B. Wells: hasn't lasted a season
SJax: coming to the end of his career
a bunch of unproven guys who haven't done much: Ingram, Helu, Tate...
Seems like you are a bit high on V.Cruz and M.Wallace. VCruz has one season under his belt. Wallace was shut down the second half of the season. But they are ahead of Bowe, Roddy, Andre?
M.Leshoure: hasn't played a snap of NFL football and coming off a bad injury
B. Wells: hasn't lasted a season
SJax: coming to the end of his career
a bunch of unproven guys who haven't done much: Ingram, Helu, Tate...
Seems like you are a bit high on V.Cruz and M.Wallace. VCruz has one season under his belt. Wallace was shut down the second half of the season. But they are ahead of Bowe, Roddy, Andre?
inzanitee
Footballguy
I would rank Cruz above Bowe and Roddy, maybe Andre as well. Cruz is a terrific player, he's young and in a great offense for his skill set. As for only one year under his belt... AJ Green and Julio Jones only have one year as well but people aren't penalizing them. Cruz is not a fluke, he did not get lucky, he is a great talent. Wallace I like as well but I don't know that I'd put him ahead of those guys until we find out what offense he'll be in.
Zimm
Footballguy
I don't see Bradshaw having much long term value, but hey that is just my opinion and they are dynasty rankings so opinions will very in a wide range. I am very high on Cruz and Wallace, and yes Wallace struggled down the stretch, but Big Ben trying to play QB on one leg didn't help out his odds. Bowe scares me that when he gets paid he will stop caring so that is why i have him rated as low as i do and i don't think i need to explain Andre and as for Roddy i see his targets taking a bit of a hit with Julio coming on.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If you look at the rosters in his signature, you'll see that he obviously values Palmer. That can either be him subconciously pumping up the value of players he owns (we all do that to some degree) or him acquiring and owning the players he beleives in (we all do that as well).Dynasty rankings can take either one or two different approaches - based on the "pulse" of dynasty players community (i.e. general values) or based strictly on what the ranker thinks about the players. These seem to be more individual-centric rankings - there's nothing wrong with that, makes things more interesting that just seeing the same value based rankings all over imo.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
once again - look at the two rosters in his sig.'icehacka said:
Zimm
Footballguy
Yes i have ADP rated ahead of Foster for the following reasons1. ADP doesn't have a back behind him running for almost 1,000 yards and i am very high on Tate and i do wonder if the Texans will think Foster's price tag is too high and go with Tate . (Kind of like the Mario Williams situation)'Dr. Octopus said:once again - look at the two rosters in his sig.'icehacka said:
2. ADP tore his knee up...yes i understand that and that makes him fall down the list far? Jamaal Charles seems to be up high on most rankings and ADP has the work ethic that is 2nd to none when it comes to NFL RB's.
3. Yes i have ADP on every franchise dynasty i run, and thanks to people selling low it was made possible. Even if ADP gets off to a slow start he could easily still put up top 5 RB numbers....Come on Matt Kalil
Zimm
Footballguy
What should i rank him top 5? I don't see him as anything special and no i would not trust him as my QB if he was my QB1. These are DYNASTY RANKINGS!!!!!!!!!!! Odds are most will not agree were everyone is valued because well it is dynasty rankings and stuff happens, I would love to see your rankings....'HPD said:
Thewhiteknuckler
Footballguy
Eli is top 10 but is a better NFL QB then a fantasy QB and i could see him ranked from 6 to 10. Nice ranking i will be sure to bookmark them.
petenice15
Footballguy
Just curious why you don't have Cutler ranked in the top 25?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Appreciate the effort, here's my thoughts...
14.C.Palmer - Too High
23.C.Kapernick - Too High
3.A.Peterson - Too High
5.D.McFadden - As Above
6.C.Johnson - As Above
14.F.Jackson - Too High
15.M.Lynch - Too Low
21.C.Spiller - Too Low
6.H.Nicks - Too Low
9.B.Marshall - Too High
11.K.Britt - Too High
15.D.Bryant - Too Low
4.B.Pettigrew - Too High
11.F.Davis - Too Low
12.J.Gresham - Too Low
14.C.Palmer - Too High
23.C.Kapernick - Too High
3.A.Peterson - Too High
5.D.McFadden - As Above
6.C.Johnson - As Above
14.F.Jackson - Too High
15.M.Lynch - Too Low
21.C.Spiller - Too Low
6.H.Nicks - Too Low
9.B.Marshall - Too High
11.K.Britt - Too High
15.D.Bryant - Too Low
4.B.Pettigrew - Too High
11.F.Davis - Too Low
12.J.Gresham - Too Low
Zimm
Footballguy
Well i actually developed the teams in my sig with many trades to get the team that i liked and would want to have, It makes no sense to not go after the players that you rate higher. As for the too high or too low i would expect that from most because dynasty values is preference not an exact science.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
This is why fantasy football is fun, group think deflates the fun balloon. I think the opposite with about 75% of these too high/lows.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Exactly and I more than appreciate the effort you put in. That alongside the Pick value stuff you've done is all good work
Donsmith753
Footballguy
For the record, here's some of my rankings to pick apart. QB and RB are more recent. WR and TE from a month ago.http://kickbackdynasty.blogspot.co.uk/Sorry to hijack Zimm.
+1 on a good effort. Things that really stick out to me:
QB
14. Carson Palmer - to high
Unranked - Andy Dalton - to low. Dalton has a solid year and A.J. Green looks like he is going to be a stud (you have him as your #2 WR too). He should be somewhere in tier 3 or tier 4.
RB
13. Rey Helu - to high. Don't trust Mike Shanahan. Helu wasn't a star last year either.
14. Fred Jackson - to high. Jackson already turned 31 and Spiller has earned a sizable chunk of the carries with his play down the stretch.
17. Kendall Hunter - to high 4th round pedigree RB playing behind a RB who will be 29 when the season starts.
21. C.J. Spiller - to low
27. Rashard Mendenhall - to low. He tore his ACL but this ranking is to low imo especially when you rank Hunter and Tate so highly.
39. Delone Carter - to high - Can't hold onto the ball. He could pan out but I wouldn't say it's likely.
48. James Starks - to low - He may not be the long term in Green Bay but he should be a solid flex play for a couple of years. I think he should be in the 30s.
WR
8. Demaryius Thomas - to high. The arrival of Manning should bump his value into the 15 to 30 range but there are more proven players out there that are still plenty young enough.
11. Kenny Britt - to high - Has had questions regarding his work ethic.
13. Wes Welker - to low.
17. Roddy White - to low.
18. Andre Johnson - to low. I think people ranking him 2 or 3 are overrating him slightly given his age and the fact that his production really hasn't matched Megatron's or Larry Fitzgerald's but this is just to low.
23. Desean Jackson - to high. His production is inconsistent and hasn't really been all that great.
25. Marques Colston - to low. He just had a top 10 fantasy season and has consistently been around the 15th best fantasy WR for several years. He's one of the most consistently underrated WRs in fantasy. Should be in the WR15 to WR20 range by everyone.
27. Vincent Brown - to high. A 5'11" 3rd round WR that hasn't done anything in the NFL.
28. Eric Decker - to low. His ranking should be closer to Demaryius Thomas's ranking probably especially since Manning has leaned on guys with great hands such as Wayne and Collie more so then burners such as Garcon. I'm not overly familiar with Thomas but Decker has great hands.
48. Jonathan Baldwin - to low. He's a knucklehead but he has a lot of talent. Basically he's a high risk/high reward player so he should be ranked ahead of guys who are WR3/flex types such as Santonio Holmes, Robert Meachem, Leonard Hankerson and Josh Morgan because Baldwin could develop into a fantasy WR1. Rankings like this don't make a lot of sense when you take upside over production in most other places.
61. Austin Collie - to low. Was off to a monster season a couple of years ago before he ended up having multiple concussions. He could become a favorite target of Andrew Luck's.
QB
14. Carson Palmer - to high
Unranked - Andy Dalton - to low. Dalton has a solid year and A.J. Green looks like he is going to be a stud (you have him as your #2 WR too). He should be somewhere in tier 3 or tier 4.
RB
13. Rey Helu - to high. Don't trust Mike Shanahan. Helu wasn't a star last year either.
14. Fred Jackson - to high. Jackson already turned 31 and Spiller has earned a sizable chunk of the carries with his play down the stretch.
17. Kendall Hunter - to high 4th round pedigree RB playing behind a RB who will be 29 when the season starts.
21. C.J. Spiller - to low
27. Rashard Mendenhall - to low. He tore his ACL but this ranking is to low imo especially when you rank Hunter and Tate so highly.
39. Delone Carter - to high - Can't hold onto the ball. He could pan out but I wouldn't say it's likely.
48. James Starks - to low - He may not be the long term in Green Bay but he should be a solid flex play for a couple of years. I think he should be in the 30s.
WR
8. Demaryius Thomas - to high. The arrival of Manning should bump his value into the 15 to 30 range but there are more proven players out there that are still plenty young enough.
11. Kenny Britt - to high - Has had questions regarding his work ethic.
13. Wes Welker - to low.
17. Roddy White - to low.
18. Andre Johnson - to low. I think people ranking him 2 or 3 are overrating him slightly given his age and the fact that his production really hasn't matched Megatron's or Larry Fitzgerald's but this is just to low.
23. Desean Jackson - to high. His production is inconsistent and hasn't really been all that great.
25. Marques Colston - to low. He just had a top 10 fantasy season and has consistently been around the 15th best fantasy WR for several years. He's one of the most consistently underrated WRs in fantasy. Should be in the WR15 to WR20 range by everyone.
27. Vincent Brown - to high. A 5'11" 3rd round WR that hasn't done anything in the NFL.
28. Eric Decker - to low. His ranking should be closer to Demaryius Thomas's ranking probably especially since Manning has leaned on guys with great hands such as Wayne and Collie more so then burners such as Garcon. I'm not overly familiar with Thomas but Decker has great hands.
48. Jonathan Baldwin - to low. He's a knucklehead but he has a lot of talent. Basically he's a high risk/high reward player so he should be ranked ahead of guys who are WR3/flex types such as Santonio Holmes, Robert Meachem, Leonard Hankerson and Josh Morgan because Baldwin could develop into a fantasy WR1. Rankings like this don't make a lot of sense when you take upside over production in most other places.
61. Austin Collie - to low. Was off to a monster season a couple of years ago before he ended up having multiple concussions. He could become a favorite target of Andrew Luck's.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Hah...its always good to see peoples rankings man. But yea, I totally agree with Multiple scores in that group think kills things. I think groupthink kills you in the end cause you end up ignoring things that you shouldn't because your told its not true....
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I like seeing other rankings, especially if there's some discussion around them. It can always help show a point I might have previously missed or make me go back and look at something again.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
From my comments done a month ago (You're correct I do have him at #16): Most likely won't be back with the Chargers, his destination should help determine where he belongs in this tier.I have him alongside Bowe, Harvin, Wallace, Cruz, Nelson and before Antonio Brown. I think that feels right and certainly wouldn't rank him above those guys?
If he's too low I'm curious who you'd move down for him.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I don't understand how anyone can have Cam Newton outside of their top 2 QBs. The gap bewteen he and Stafford/Brady/Brees is pretty big, in my opinion. Much bigger than the gap bewteen Rodgers and Newton (if there is one).
He had the most impressive rookie season ever and offers a skill set (avenue for points) that 90% of the other players at his position don't.
Cam Newton, in his rookie season, produced more PPG than the (past) 3 year average for Brady, Brees, and Rodgers.
If Newton even repeats his 2011 numbers, and cuts down on the INTS, we could be - and should be, IMO - looking at the #1 dynasty asset, period, regardless of position.
I don't see a logical argument for taking Brees or Brady over Newton. The ages of the previous two removes the "safe" factor. Sure, they are safer for the next 1.5 years. But the potential that Newton has 8+ years of top VBD producing seasons left trumps that by a good margin.
He had the most impressive rookie season ever and offers a skill set (avenue for points) that 90% of the other players at his position don't.
Cam Newton, in his rookie season, produced more PPG than the (past) 3 year average for Brady, Brees, and Rodgers.
If Newton even repeats his 2011 numbers, and cuts down on the INTS, we could be - and should be, IMO - looking at the #1 dynasty asset, period, regardless of position.
I don't see a logical argument for taking Brees or Brady over Newton. The ages of the previous two removes the "safe" factor. Sure, they are safer for the next 1.5 years. But the potential that Newton has 8+ years of top VBD producing seasons left trumps that by a good margin.
matttyl
Footballguy
First off, I do think that around #13 is right, but since you asked....Dez - too much of a headache in my opinion (well, and I'm a Redskins fan, haha)and I know I'll catch a lot of flack with this call....WelkerV Jax is two years younger, and I'm not sure Welker is a Patriot long term (especially with all the WR additions NE has made). I'm not saying V Jax will do better this year (first year with new QB), but I do think V Jax will do better 2013 and beyond.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
I totally agree with everything above, but I think your ignoring some things. Look how quickly the NFL figured out MIchael Vick, he had arguably the most dominant 11 game run a QB has ever had at the position ... then the next year he wasn't nearly as effective . Newtons Passing stats regressed quite a bit towards the end of the year also, just some food for thought. I also think Injury is a bit of a concern with him. To be the goal line back for your team is almost guaranteeing your going to get hurt at some point, I hope they scale back the goal- line carries at some point. Dont get me wrong, hes my #2 also considering the Upside, just looking at both sides here. I would consider Brady and Brees more of 'sure things' than newton for the next few years at least.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Newton's rushing TDs dipped only because the Panthers goal line opportunities dipped. The Panthers ran the option read from the goal line roughly 85% of the time; a standard run about 15%. That math isn't exact, but to the best of my memory, from looking them up previously. Newton scored on 50% of those plans; i.e. Newton ran and scored as often as he handed the ball to a RB, who scored. This is a perfect balance that keeps a defense off track. I see no reason why that would change. On this play, I didn't see Newton take a big hit. The one big hit I recall Newton taking was in the pocket, by Brian Orakpo, who is roughly the same size as Newton. The large majority of QBs in NFL history aren't close in size to Orakpo. As for Vick - he isn't the goal line back that Newton is. His rushing TD total is much more flukey. With Newton, you can count on him scoring a rushing TDs almost 50% of the time the Panthers have the ball within the 3 yard line. I didn't pay as much attention to Vick as I did to Newton this year. I don't know that the NFL figured him out - and if they did - that means little as it relates to Cam. Cam is bigger, a better passer (relative to experience), and is very smart about sliding/getting out of bounds. Vick took a lot of hits in the pocket - Cam didn't. Two very different players. I can understand taking the "safer" player in re-draft, or if age is not an issue. But when comparing Brees and Brady to Newton, I don't think Newton is more risky, at all. I think Newton is just as likely to score points over the next 3 years and is 100% more likely to hold more value after that point.
az_prof
Footballguy
Black, you evaluate like me. You value proven production over time. Some dynasty owners value potential and youth more than proven production. FWIW, I agree with most of your criticism although I could see ranking Helu higher than Bradshaw because of what he showed, his youth, and the fact that he looks to be the clear RB1 in WA. Tate I could see too IF he were traded to CLE or somewhere where he would be the clear RB1. I don't think Ingram showed enough to be ranked higher than Bradshaw and his situation is not very good IMO. Leshoure, Wells and SJax are no brainers though for being lower than Bradshaw.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Beanie has proven production! 1000 yards and 10 TDs!
... LOL ... but all joking aside , you were talking about proven production, Dont you think wells has at least proven that he can be productive when hes on the field? It's kinda like a low end version of the McFadden situation, you can't count on him to stay healthy all year, but you can count on him to score at a low end RB1 high end RB2 when hes does play.
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Zimm
Footballguy
Yeah we all have different values on certain players which is good because then there would never be any trading going on haha. Beanie is soft to me and i haven't changed my mind on that since he came out of Ohio St.Beanie has proven production! 1000 yards and 10 TDs!
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Does Sean Payton being gone for the entire year alter Brees ranking in any way? Will they be able to run the same offense without him?
Zimm
Footballguy
I think they will be fine, because Brees is pretty much a coach out there on the field and knows the offense like the back of his hand.
johnadams
Footballguy
This list looks too much like a gut feeling list than one based in reasoning. It's okay I guess, but way too much emphasis on rookies (I don't include TRich as top five is fine) and some rankings are just crazy off. You can hide behind "hey, we all have different rankings" but if you can't really justify why you have someone ranked at a specific spot, then rankings just devolve into personal opinion, which is okay, but little more than a vanity project.
Zimm
Footballguy
Please enlighten me to which players are "Crazy off", and this is dynasty and i do boost rookies up sometimes more then most but once again these are dynasty rankings not start-up. And i am pretty sure most people have Richardson top 5 or very very close to it because he is going mid-first round in start-up. These are dynasty rankings so yes the range from player to player can be quite different.And the point of these rankings are because....THEY ARE MY PERSONAL OPINION, and they are dynasty rankings so you can't fully expect the the progress to look like this immediately. Go ahead and look at rankings 3,4, years ago and see if those aging impact players are still top 10 overall at their positions. I can remember the people trying to wheel and deal guys like Marvin Harrison,Brian Westbrook,Steve Slaton,Steve Smith (STL RAMS),Chad Johnson are all players that were ranked very high and fizzled. And you see that often with players not reaching potential and guys fading.
Zimm
Footballguy
Not sure i see BGE holding down a starting spot in 2-3 years.
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
Zimm: I'm just curious about the difference of opinion you and Russell have regarding Brandon Lloyd - Russell has him at 19 and you have him at 50. What's your thinking here?
