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[Holy Schneikes]

Good God BJGE continues to get crapped on in dynasty rankings

There is a lot of risk there. The guy averaged 3.7 YPC last year, and didn't really factor in the receiving game at all. TDs are all that kept him fantasy relevant. The Patriots seemed to put little effort into re-signing him, and the deal he signed with Cincy could easily amount to a one year deal. Lewis openly said he doesn't know who his starter is going to be yet, so even that one year is questionable.People (myself included) just don't believe in his talent.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Zimm- did you forget BJ Cunningham or did you not rank him? I see Wisc has him pretty high? How do yo think the Mia WRs shake out?

 

[Zimm]

I am not a fan at all of Cunningham, He is Wisc's boy. I think Cunningham is a slot WR in the mold of Jason Avant in a horrible offensive team so i would avoid him in drafts...Well unless your picking ahead of me .but i still think the Miami situation is a complete fantasy mess. And of course you can't count of Fuller getting a fair chance to start on the outside.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I am not a fan at all of Cunningham, He is Wisc's boy. I think Cunningham is a slot WR in the mold of Jason Avant in a horrible offensive team so i would avoid him in drafts...Well unless your picking ahead of me . I am a big fan of Gates in Miami but i still think the Miami situation is a complete fantasy mess. And of course you can't count of Fuller getting a fair chance to start on the outside.

Fuller? Jeff Fuller? over Cunningham? PFFFF....lolI suppose I'm going a bit out on a limb on Cunningham, but what I saw from him last year was extremely impressive. He is SO strong with the ball after the catch and he has great hands. I honestly believe he can be a no.1 WR in this league. Considering where he was drafted, I would be shocked if he doesn't start for the Dolphins this year.The past two years when Wisconsin played Michigan State... Cunningham did whatever he wanted when he got the ball, I was afraid of him for sure. As much as I love Big 10 football, they aren't known for their skill position players and their aren't many WRs that I'm afraid of, this is a different story, for me at least. Wisconsin had nobody to match-up up with the athleticism and it was somewhat embarrassing. Bielima needs to keep pushing those Florida Pipelines, we need corners and safeties!!! lol

 

[Zimm]

I am not a fan at all of Cunningham, He is Wisc's boy. I think Cunningham is a slot WR in the mold of Jason Avant in a horrible offensive team so i would avoid him in drafts...Well unless your picking ahead of me . I am a big fan of Gates in Miami but i still think the Miami situation is a complete fantasy mess. And of course you can't count of Fuller getting a fair chance to start on the outside.

Fuller? Jeff Fuller? over Cunningham? PFFFF....lolI suppose I'm going a bit out on a limb on Cunningham, but what I saw from him last year was extremely impressive. He is SO strong with the ball after the catch and he has great hands. I honestly believe he can be a no.1 WR in this league. Considering where he was drafted, I would be shocked if he doesn't start for the Dolphins this year.The past two years when Wisconsin played Michigan State... Cunningham did whatever he wanted when he got the ball, I was afraid of him for sure. As much as I love Big 10 football, they aren't known for their skill position players and their aren't many WRs that I'm afraid of, this is a different story, for me at least. Wisconsin had nobody to match-up up with the athleticism and it was somewhat embarrassing. Bielima needs to keep pushing those Florida Pipelines, we need corners and safeties!!! lol

You need to be able to separate at the next level and he just can't do so. Fuller has all the cards in his deck to start for Miami this year having a leg up in Mike Sherman's offense and he is very familiar with Ryan Tannehill(Whenever he starts).

 

[mbuehner]

Lance Moore?

 

[Zimm]

Lance Moore?

I am not a Moore fan, I just don't trust him in that offense on a week to week basis. He is a nice last guy off the bench for a bye week filler with high risk/high reward starter.

 

[mbuehner]

Let me make a quick case for Moore in dynasty, especially in ppr- you are correct that he is inconsistent week to week, and that precludes him from any talk of being a WR1/2 and for a lot of teams WR3. But like you say as a bye week fill in he is useful, he is has the possibility to put up top 10 numbers any given week and its not just potential, he actually does it(in ppr he put up over 20 points 4 times in 2012, 29% of the games he played in). Last season Moore missed 2 games and was dinged up for a couple others but ended WR33. In 2010 he was WR24 missing 1 game (the emergence of Graham definitely impacted his targets some in 2011). He's had 8 TDs in both of the last 2 seasons.

If he's healthy, in PPR, Moore is pretty rock solid to give you 7 or 8 points a game with an unbelievable upside. In standard scoring he's obviously not as valuable, but still good for 30 or 40 yards and a 50% shot at a touchdown, which is impressive for a bye week filler. And again, at any time he could have a monster game. Moore just restructured his contract, so it looks like that train will keep rolling for him and Brees for a couple more years.

I think he's a sneaky valuable WR because he's consistent in the long term and can and often IS a difference maker coming off your bench. With Meacham gone and teams eyeballing Graham, he might see an uptick in targets again which gives him a shot at being an every day starter. I got to think that puts him in the top 110 WRs

 

[Zimm]

Let me make a quick case for Moore in dynasty, especially in ppr- you are correct that he is inconsistent week to week, and that precludes him from any talk of being a WR1/2 and for a lot of teams WR3. But like you say as a bye week fill in he is useful, he is has the possibility to put up top 10 numbers any given week and its not just potential, he actually does it(in ppr he put up over 20 points 4 times in 2012, 29% of the games he played in). Last season Moore missed 2 games and was dinged up for a couple others but ended WR33. In 2010 he was WR24 missing 1 game (the emergence of Graham definitely impacted his targets some in 2011). He's had 8 TDs in both of the last 2 seasons.If he's healthy, in PPR, Moore is pretty rock solid to give you 7 or 8 points a game with an unbelievable upside. In standard scoring he's obviously not as valuable, but still good for 30 or 40 yards and a 50% shot at a touchdown, which is impressive for a bye week filler. And again, at any time he could have a monster game. Moore just restructured his contract, so it looks like that train will keep rolling for him and Brees for a couple more years. I think he's a sneaky valuable WR because he's consistent in the long term and can and often IS a difference maker coming off your bench. With Meacham gone and teams eyeballing Graham, he might see an uptick in targets again which gives him a shot at being an every day starter. I got to think that puts him in the top 110 WRs

I agree with what your saying, but i think his clock is ticking even though he is signed for a few more years because he could be easily replaced.

 

[Zimm]

I am not a fan at all of Cunningham, He is Wisc's boy. I think Cunningham is a slot WR in the mold of Jason Avant in a horrible offensive team so i would avoid him in drafts...Well unless your picking ahead of me . I am a big fan of Gates in Miami but i still think the Miami situation is a complete fantasy mess. And of course you can't count of Fuller getting a fair chance to start on the outside.

Fuller? Jeff Fuller? over Cunningham? PFFFF....lolI suppose I'm going a bit out on a limb on Cunningham, but what I saw from him last year was extremely impressive. He is SO strong with the ball after the catch and he has great hands. I honestly believe he can be a no.1 WR in this league. Considering where he was drafted, I would be shocked if he doesn't start for the Dolphins this year.

The past two years when Wisconsin played Michigan State... Cunningham did whatever he wanted when he got the ball, I was afraid of him for sure. As much as I love Big 10 football, they aren't known for their skill position players and their aren't many WRs that I'm afraid of, this is a different story, for me at least. Wisconsin had nobody to match-up up with the athleticism and it was somewhat embarrassing.

Bielima needs to keep pushing those Florida Pipelines, we need corners and safeties!!! lol

Two NFL front office men told the National Football Post's Dan Pompei last fall that Dolphins undrafted rookie WR Jeff Fuller was a first-round talent.

Fuller had no worse than second-round grades from scouts entering his senior season. He dropped far too many passes in 2011, however, and struggled at the Senior Bowl before suffering a stress fracture in his foot. Fuller will have to rebound in a big way, but he definitely has skill level to make the Dolphins.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I am not a fan at all of Cunningham, He is Wisc's boy. I think Cunningham is a slot WR in the mold of Jason Avant in a horrible offensive team so i would avoid him in drafts...Well unless your picking ahead of me . I am a big fan of Gates in Miami but i still think the Miami situation is a complete fantasy mess. And of course you can't count of Fuller getting a fair chance to start on the outside.

Fuller? Jeff Fuller? over Cunningham? PFFFF....lolI suppose I'm going a bit out on a limb on Cunningham, but what I saw from him last year was extremely impressive. He is SO strong with the ball after the catch and he has great hands. I honestly believe he can be a no.1 WR in this league. Considering where he was drafted, I would be shocked if he doesn't start for the Dolphins this year.

The past two years when Wisconsin played Michigan State... Cunningham did whatever he wanted when he got the ball, I was afraid of him for sure. As much as I love Big 10 football, they aren't known for their skill position players and their aren't many WRs that I'm afraid of, this is a different story, for me at least. Wisconsin had nobody to match-up up with the athleticism and it was somewhat embarrassing.

Bielima needs to keep pushing those Florida Pipelines, we need corners and safeties!!! lol

Two NFL front office men told the National Football Post's Dan Pompei last fall that Dolphins undrafted rookie WR Jeff Fuller was a first-round talent.

Fuller had no worse than second-round grades from scouts entering his senior season. He dropped far too many passes in 2011, however, and struggled at the Senior Bowl before suffering a stress fracture in his foot. Fuller will have to rebound in a big way, but he definitely has skill level to make the Dolphins.

We just have to wait till training camp.. I have faithAll aboard the BJ Cunningham hype train!!......(silence)

guys? guys? where did everyone go? ahh guys... get off the Jeff Fuller train... the seats suck and they have played the same woopi goldberg movie for years now...

 

[Thewhiteknuckler]

Love the rankings but i do have a question why is david wilson so high?

 

[Zimm]

Love the rankings but i do have a question why is david wilson so high?

I am a big Wilson fan and have been since before the draft, He is going to a good team with a real shot at starting with a very fragile Bradshaw ahead of him.

 

[Crazy Tony]

Zimm,

Thanks for sharing your rankings.

I enjoy them and the effort.

It's hard at times to go against the current and say ELI is #10 when people have him at #6 or Top 5.

Some people are asking opinion etc or rational for some of the rankings. I would ask what sort of methodology do you use to determine values.

I guess you're ranking positional players which makes it a little easier compared to top 250-300 for all positions. You don't have to pick WR over RB or TE or later QB etc.

Here's my roster and picks. I'm sharing mine since I feel familiar enough with these players to comment and some players I've researched in similar values. I'm hoping the dialogue allows them to perhaps decide which position/player/need and how to weigh it compared to others in the draft or roster spots....(Last year people thought I was dumb for dropping Anthony Armstrong. I wasn't excited about the idea but he was 110pt player. He probably wasn't going to get much better. He was a roster spot filler. I cut him to make room for players that scored less but had higher potential ceilings). THis is always a delimma. OR players I drafted HIGHER. but now they're not worth that Hardesty, McCluster, or players I was counting on to start RB/WR3 now not starters. BLOUNT. How do you handle those situations? be patient?

My Draft Picks are:

1.02, 2.02, 2.09, 3.02, 3.09

My Roster and your rankings.

QB

#3 Luck (#2 overall pick) Highest I've seen him ranked. It's encouraging.

#8 Rivers (Right in there at #8 w/ most. A few think last year is a fluke. He's never been higher than 6. Is he capable?

#12 Bradford (Higher than most people have him? Is it because they're surrounding him with decent WR talent?)

#XX Alex Smith (But you have Colin #30...what do you see for Smith?

WR

#9 D.Thomas (Based on what you're seeing is it safe to buy or is it possibly too late? Value already up?)

#12 Harvin (what does Ponder do for value? What do you like? Any chance it goes higher?)

#20 Steve Johnson (Pretty close...do you think he's consistent enough, mature enough? Do I sell high? Was just offered #9 and 2013 1st Rounder)

#25 Greg Little (It seems you're not as hard on Little and CLE WRs as others. What do you like?)

#28 Decker (I like Decker and sure hands but 46% catch% is low for sure-handed. Is this because of lack of separation? I'm big on Decker am I too big?)

#32 Desean Jackson (Inconsistent and bad year but Big game/play qualities and young guy. If he performs in top 15-20 early would you sell him high?)

#34 Vincent Brown (Still just buy and hold and see if he pans out for me. I own Rivers and would like a future WR on the team. I hear he's one worth keeping...I could do worse. I still don't know. haven't really seen him play etc)

#93 SSmith STL (I think he capable of rebounding. You have him rated much lower. I paid a bit for him. What do I have to lose? I especially like that I have Bradford. Not sure which WR emerges out the STL as go to man. Would you say that the Rookies could be better simply due to age?)

#104 LMoore (I read earlier comments. Basically Moore carries no trade value but too good to cut. Especially when I can start 6 WRs, only 2RBs ...especially with my weak RBs...in a situation like that. Do you take points or take a prospect? Right now I'm hoping Moore has enough value to bundle in a trade.

#XXX Davone Bess. (I read about BJ & Fuller. Bess seems to be a LMOORE type player. In fact Bess/Moore got me in the championship game in 2010. I still lost but hey. I got money. I'm not wild about MIA OFF either. But I get nothing for the guy. FROM YOUR Perspective where to do draw the line between POINTS NOW/TAKE A PROSPECT...even one not playing/contributing this year.

RB:

#10 Forte Do you think Bush Hurts Value? He stays in CHI? OLINE sucks?

#11 DMurray You seem to like. encouraging. Would you insure with Felix Jones/Tanner as hand cuff? Or grab prospect elsewhere?

#62 Blount Obviously was good but Martin is better/versatile. Do you see RBBC or Blount traded in teh future to retain value? Since it is DYNASTY being moved to another team/situation could be good. Not sure if that was factored in and this is still his ceiling.

#70 Ogbannaya Surprisingly he's ahead of Hardesty but it makes sense. Both are behind RICHARDSON even Jackson. I thought Hardesty was better. Maybe not.

#74 Hardesty Damn...I think I have a RB1, RB2 then the draft comes along. Do you see Hardesty's value being higher if league offers KR Points? He might be able to play SPT if he makes roster...or if he gets traded?

#XX McCLUSTER...even with WR/RB designation is he good flex? Do you see potential for him as a fill-in until you can find guys you want to rebuild with?

TE

#5 Hernandez (About Right...I hope you're right maybe even low...but I'm just hoping.)

#7 Fleener (For LUCK Owners...is this the guy to have? for now in INDY?...I heard that last year about KENDRICKS/BRADFORD.

#8 Gates (DO you think he's capable of playing full season? What concerns you about gates? Injury? AGE? RIVERS? OFFENSE? Foot. )

#20 Kendricks (Do you see him panning out with new Regime? Fitting into OFF? Didn't get to watch him play much last year. Didn't do much either based on the 19 guys you like ahead of him...is that for DYNASTY= next 3-5 years unless something changes you like/disklike him?)

#31 J Thomas Any chance of this project comign around?

DRAFT PICKS:

I plan on taking LUCK #2.

I could take RG3 but I like LUCK. Other rankings have RG3 higher.

I've been offered #9 pick and 2013 1st rounder for Steve Johnson. I don't think that makes too much sense.

2.02 #12 overall. I believe Ryan Tannehill could fall here. Also Isaiah Pead, Brian Quick. You have Tannehill QB26, PEAD RB 25, If I'm not mistaken about the draft...i think Hill/Jeffery go #10 #11 overall. Leaving me no better than you WR37 aka #46 BQuick,

From there on out it gets pretty congested.

Obviously, I have a personal interest in any of your replies but for Owners in similar situations who haven't drafted or have to consider trades etc what do you think about some of the options if faced with similar challanges/options?

Other players i'm curous about:

Mark Ingram. Is it jsut a bad situation or is his talent not really there in the manner that we thought? Injuried impactful?

BEST if he stays concussion free...I see his value shooting up...only to have injury in 2 years. I don't trust the player but I love the talent. Is it worth a gamble for the right price if I can get him for pennies on the dollar?

There are other players but I've typed enough.

Thanks for posting and continually updating your rankings

 

[Zimm]

Zimm,Thanks for sharing your rankings. I enjoy them and the effort. It's hard at times to go against the current and say ELI is #10 when people have him at #6 or Top 5. Some people are asking opinion etc or rational for some of the rankings. I would ask what sort of methodology do you use to determine values. I guess you're ranking positional players which makes it a little easier compared to top 250-300 for all positions. You don't have to pick WR over RB or TE or later QB etc. Here's my roster and picks. I'm sharing mine since I feel familiar enough with these players to comment and some players I've researched in similar values. I'm hoping the dialogue allows them to perhaps decide which position/player/need and how to weigh it compared to others in the draft or roster spots....(Last year people thought I was dumb for dropping Anthony Armstrong. I wasn't excited about the idea but he was 110pt player. He probably wasn't going to get much better. He was a roster spot filler. I cut him to make room for players that scored less but had higher potential ceilings). THis is always a delimma. OR players I drafted HIGHER. but now they're not worth that Hardesty, McCluster, or players I was counting on to start RB/WR3 now not starters. BLOUNT. How do you handle those situations? be patient? My Draft Picks are:1.02, 2.02, 2.09, 3.02, 3.09My Roster and your rankings.QB#3 Luck (#2 overall pick) Highest I've seen him ranked. It's encouraging. #8 Rivers (Right in there at #8 w/ most. A few think last year is a fluke. He's never been higher than 6. Is he capable?#12 Bradford (Higher than most people have him? Is it because they're surrounding him with decent WR talent?)#XX Alex Smith (But you have Colin #30...what do you see for Smith?WR#9 D.Thomas (Based on what you're seeing is it safe to buy or is it possibly too late? Value already up?)#12 Harvin (what does Ponder do for value? What do you like? Any chance it goes higher?)#20 Steve Johnson (Pretty close...do you think he's consistent enough, mature enough? Do I sell high? Was just offered #9 and 2013 1st Rounder)#25 Greg Little (It seems you're not as hard on Little and CLE WRs as others. What do you like?)#28 Decker (I like Decker and sure hands but 46% catch% is low for sure-handed. Is this because of lack of separation? I'm big on Decker am I too big?)#32 Desean Jackson (Inconsistent and bad year but Big game/play qualities and young guy. If he performs in top 15-20 early would you sell him high?)#34 Vincent Brown (Still just buy and hold and see if he pans out for me. I own Rivers and would like a future WR on the team. I hear he's one worth keeping...I could do worse. I still don't know. haven't really seen him play etc)#93 SSmith STL (I think he capable of rebounding. You have him rated much lower. I paid a bit for him. What do I have to lose? I especially like that I have Bradford. Not sure which WR emerges out the STL as go to man. Would you say that the Rookies could be better simply due to age?)#104 LMoore (I read earlier comments. Basically Moore carries no trade value but too good to cut. Especially when I can start 6 WRs, only 2RBs ...especially with my weak RBs...in a situation like that. Do you take points or take a prospect? Right now I'm hoping Moore has enough value to bundle in a trade. #XXX Davone Bess. (I read about BJ & Fuller. Bess seems to be a LMOORE type player. In fact Bess/Moore got me in the championship game in 2010. I still lost but hey. I got money. I'm not wild about MIA OFF either. But I get nothing for the guy. FROM YOUR Perspective where to do draw the line between POINTS NOW/TAKE A PROSPECT...even one not playing/contributing this year. RB:#10 Forte Do you think Bush Hurts Value? He stays in CHI? OLINE sucks? #11 DMurray You seem to like. encouraging. Would you insure with Felix Jones/Tanner as hand cuff? Or grab prospect elsewhere? #62 Blount Obviously was good but Martin is better/versatile. Do you see RBBC or Blount traded in teh future to retain value? Since it is DYNASTY being moved to another team/situation could be good. Not sure if that was factored in and this is still his ceiling. #70 Ogbannaya Surprisingly he's ahead of Hardesty but it makes sense. Both are behind RICHARDSON even Jackson. I thought Hardesty was better. Maybe not.#74 Hardesty Damn...I think I have a RB1, RB2 then the draft comes along. Do you see Hardesty's value being higher if league offers KR Points? He might be able to play SPT if he makes roster...or if he gets traded?#XX McCLUSTER...even with WR/RB designation is he good flex? Do you see potential for him as a fill-in until you can find guys you want to rebuild with? TE#5 Hernandez (About Right...I hope you're right maybe even low...but I'm just hoping.)#7 Fleener (For LUCK Owners...is this the guy to have? for now in INDY?...I heard that last year about KENDRICKS/BRADFORD.#8 Gates (DO you think he's capable of playing full season? What concerns you about gates? Injury? AGE? RIVERS? OFFENSE? Foot. )#20 Kendricks (Do you see him panning out with new Regime? Fitting into OFF? Didn't get to watch him play much last year. Didn't do much either based on the 19 guys you like ahead of him...is that for DYNASTY= next 3-5 years unless something changes you like/disklike him?)#31 J Thomas Any chance of this project comign around? DRAFT PICKS:I plan on taking LUCK #2. I could take RG3 but I like LUCK. Other rankings have RG3 higher. I've been offered #9 pick and 2013 1st rounder for Steve Johnson. I don't think that makes too much sense. 2.02 #12 overall. I believe Ryan Tannehill could fall here. Also Isaiah Pead, Brian Quick. You have Tannehill QB26, PEAD RB 25, If I'm not mistaken about the draft...i think Hill/Jeffery go #10 #11 overall. Leaving me no better than you WR37 aka #46 BQuick, From there on out it gets pretty congested. Obviously, I have a personal interest in any of your replies but for Owners in similar situations who haven't drafted or have to consider trades etc what do you think about some of the options if faced with similar challanges/options?Other players i'm curous about:Mark Ingram. Is it jsut a bad situation or is his talent not really there in the manner that we thought? Injuried impactful?BEST if he stays concussion free...I see his value shooting up...only to have injury in 2 years. I don't trust the player but I love the talent. Is it worth a gamble for the right price if I can get him for pennies on the dollar? There are other players but I've typed enough. Thanks for posting and continually updating your rankings

Hey Tony,Thanks for the reply and i have no problem explaining my rankings/reasonings. Well the problem with Blount is i would have sold him off last year when he started loosing snaps to Lumpkin (Not near an NFL talent). I would like to start with the deepest part of your team which is your WR core. I think Thomas has great potential to develop into a star WR this year and i would have been on board with him even if Manning didn't sign there. I do like Decker as well, but i would try to dangle him to get yourself some RB depth. (Maybe Bradford and Decker for either 1.3 or 1.4). I do like Vincent Brown to be the number 1 WR by the end of this season which could push him to WR2 status. Even as an Eagles fan i do really have trouble starting him as a WR2, but a WR3/bye starter is more of his role since he is probably the most inconsistent WR in the NFL. I do think Harvin has top 10 WR potential if used right and is a good security blanket for a young developing QB. I would really think about the Steve Johnson trade depending on how good the team your trading to is for the 2013.Rookie drafts vary with orders on players being taken so it is hard to say who goes where and what not, because i got David Wilson at 1.8 in my one rookie draft somehow. I personally think Ingram is a buy low right now, but might not have a big impact until the 2013 season and as for Best he is high risk/high reward.I will be updating my rankings very soon and thank you for your comments.

 

[Zimm]

My Dynasty Rankings have been updated! Enjoy and feel free to throw some questions my way!

Quarterback

Running Back

Wide Receiver

Tight End

Rookie Rankings

 

[Thewhiteknuckler]

I like Murray that high most dont have him top 10 and Richardson 2 and hasnt played a down?