[DYNASTY] Reggie Bush Owners in Dynasty Leagues - Do you feel you goof (1 Viewer)

[kevthegrad]

OK, so I know it's early in his career to be freaking out, but I have to share I'm now having 2nd thoughts about Reggie Bush.

I had the 1st overall pick in my dynasty league, and I know I couldn't pass up on Reggie given all the buzz/hype that was around him. He seems to play a role in the receiving game which is nice, but I have to share that I'm really stressing out now over his inability to run the ball so far.

He seems to go for the outside all the time, they have him contained, and it's just ugly. I am holding out hope given what guys the size of Barry Sanders and Brian Westbrook have been able to do, but I'm curious to hear from other dynasty owners. Are you having buyers remorse now? I'm watching Laurence Maroney develop and feeling some envy.

 

[Da Guru]

RBs are different than QBs. RBs usually do not develop over the years, they may get a little smarter but they show what they have from the start.

I see Reggie Bush as a good return man, a good pass catching back, a fast RB who goes down very easy, does not push the pile.

A very expensive Kevin Faulk in other words.

 

[sib]

OK, so I know it's early in his career to be freaking out, but I have to share I'm now having 2nd thoughts about Reggie Bush.I had the 1st overall pick in my dynasty league, and I know I couldn't pass up on Reggie given all the buzz/hype that was around him. He seems to play a role in the receiving game which is nice, but I have to share that I'm really stressing out now over his inability to run the ball so far.He seems to go for the outside all the time, they have him contained, and it's just ugly. I am holding out hope given what guys the size of Barry Sanders and Brian Westbrook have been able to do, but I'm curious to hear from other dynasty owners. Are you having buyers remorse now? I'm watching Laurence Maroney develop and feeling some envy.

I traded Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Frank Gore for Reggie Bush and Lee Evans in the offseason in my dyno league. I play in a PPR-league and I felt that Reggie was the next big thing and his floor would be westbrook/tiki barber. I still have hope, but I sure could've used Gore/KJ to go along with my current team of Brady/LJ/Owens/DJax

 

[broncofan13000]

I'm not a Reggie owner in a dynasty league, but would love to try to buy low for him right now. What would Reggie owner's want for their coveted rookie?

Maroney, Deangelo, Gore type back?

a #1 WR?

or is the value still a bit higher?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am also a concerned Reggie/Dynasty owner. I have a pretty good talent pool at RB so he has not hurt me too much. But his inability to gain positive yardage on the ground is not a good sign. I havent seen many games so I dont understand what the heck his problem is. Duece seems to be running well. Is the o-line only opening holes for him? Is Reggie as bad as his stat sheet. You would think the coaching staff is addressing the problem, but so far there are no visible signs of that. I know he possesses good vision, quick feet, and breakaway speed. What the hell is his problem?

I will continue to say my prayers.

 

[Doug B]

I see Reggie Bush as a good return man, a good pass catching back, a fast RB who goes down very easy, does not push the pile.A very expensive Kevin Faulk in other words.

Let's hope for more like Eric Metcalf or Kelvin Bryant.Actually ... Bush could probably whip butt as a slot WR. Kind of a similar career progression to Metcalf.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let's not freak out too much. He is still only a rookie. And he's not Superman!

 

[King of the Jungle]

Let's not freak out too much. He is still only a rookie. And he's not Superman!

Hype + Mega Dollars = High ExpectationsYou know Bush is sitting at home upset at his production. After what he was used to at USC, he has to be disappointed. He seems to have the personality of someone who enjoys the limelight. In order for him to continue to enjoy that, he needs to produce. I see him taking the necessary steps in order to improve his situation. I hope.

 

[kevthegrad]

If I paid 1.01 for the next Eric Metcalf I'm handing in my dynasty league ownership card.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let's not freak out too much. He is still only a rookie. And he's not Superman!

Hype + Mega Dollars = High ExpectationsYou know Bush is sitting at home upset at his production. After what he was used to at USC, he has to be disappointed. He seems to have the personality of someone who enjoys the limelight. In order for him to continue to enjoy that, he needs to produce. I see him taking the necessary steps in order to improve his situation. I hope.

As a Saints fan so do I!

 

[zamboni]

Let's not freak out too much. He is still only a rookie. And he's not Superman!

You're right to an extent, but as someone pointed out earlier, we're not talking about an RB here, not a QB.QBs tend to need more seasoning than RBs, which tend to hit right away. I'm not saying Bush can't markedly improve, but to blame it on getting used to the pro game may be grasping a bit. You didn't see guys like LT, Portis, Edge, or, heck, even Leon Washington endure the same difficulties running the ball.

 

[PIK95]

I am not nervous at all. He will blow up at some point, could ALL of the NFL scouts be wrong? I doubt it. Buy Low!

 

[Hellfire Snail]

Deuce hasn't been finding many holes lately either. What'd he have yesterday, 2 yards a carry? The Saints don't have much of a run blocking O-line. Last year it sucked, this year is hasn't gotten much better. This is not to say Bush should be struggling as much as he is, though. He's' supposed to be a once-a-decade kind of talent as a running back, not a receiver. So far he isn't showing much. He doesn't seem to have the strength or the decisive cutting necessary to be an "elite" back. I would say he's going to need to bulk up a bit and be able to seek out the gaps rather than be presented them every down.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think I would rather have Maroney long term....and some of these young backs like Michael Turner (if he leaves)...or Brandon Jacobs....

1. Maroney

2. Turner

3. Jacobs

4. Bush

5. Norwood

6. Addai

7. Williams

8. Jones Drew

 

[dickey moe]

OK, so I know it's early in his career to be freaking out, but I have to share I'm now having 2nd thoughts about Reggie Bush.I had the 1st overall pick in my dynasty league, and I know I couldn't pass up on Reggie given all the buzz/hype that was around him. He seems to play a role in the receiving game which is nice, but I have to share that I'm really stressing out now over his inability to run the ball so far.He seems to go for the outside all the time, they have him contained, and it's just ugly. I am holding out hope given what guys the size of Barry Sanders and Brian Westbrook have been able to do, but I'm curious to hear from other dynasty owners. Are you having buyers remorse now? I'm watching Laurence Maroney develop and feeling some envy.

I traded Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Frank Gore for Reggie Bush and Lee Evans in the offseason in my dyno league.

MEGA-OUCH

 

[switz]

I'm fine with Bush... I did expect him to get a bigger piece of the pie than he has, but the way the team is using him is not going to get him big stats, or attempts. He still looks to be the most explosive of the RBs drafted, and I can hold onto him for a year without worries.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I regret trading 1.02 (maroney) and 1.04 (addai) for Bush...

I do not regret trading Bush for Larry Johnson in another league...

That said, now is the time to try to buy low on Reggie. While a lot of RB's are outstanding to begin with, some of them take time to adjust to the pro game (Larry Johnson, Tiki Barber, Brian Westbrook, Rudi Johnson, Chester Taylor come to mind).

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Bush's reliance on breaking everything to the outside is becoming more troubling by the week. At some point, you hope the "negative reinforcement" theory kicks in. The flow of the game is trying to teach him to not do that, and it doesnt seem to be getting through. Bush needs an RB coach (Cecil suggested Marshall Faulk on the podcast last night) to get through to him about the mental approach to running the ball in the NFL. Sometimes you just take the 2 yards that are there, because forcing defenses to honor the inside runs will open up the outside.

The original question was whether taking Bush over Maroney was the right move in dynasty rookie drafts. The answer is, and always will be, YES. Bush was an easy pick over Maroney (remember some were even insisting that Maroney should not be taken before DeAngelo) based on Bush's elite talent and record at USC - including immense receiving ability that he has delivered on. Maybe we could have anticipated this reliance on heading for the corner too often, but many of the great NFL RBs relied on their speed to get to the corner again and again in college. The difference between them and Bush is that they learn quickly to adjust their approach at the next level. What's even more baffling is that Bush showed the ability to run physical and finish a run at USC- even pushing tacklers backwards. He seems to have lost that instinct.

Bush still has breathtaking moves and speed. The things he showed that led to him being rated as an uberprospect at RB are still there. He just hasn't figured out yet that some of things that worked at USC are flat out not going to work in the NFL. Its possible he may never figure it out, but it's more likely that he will evolve. And it's way too early to feel certain that the Bush we are getting now is the Bush we will see for his entire career.

He is one of the best buy low players in dynasty leagues right now - the key buy low/sell high moments are when fantasy owners are overreacting to a string of good or bad performances, and threads such as these are a clear sign that there is a widespread overreaction to Bush's struggles when evaluating his long term upside.

PS: I do not own Bush in any of my dynasty leagues.

 

[FrostBite]

If I paid 1.01 for the next Eric Metcalf I'm handing in my dynasty league ownership card.

You had the 1.01 to begin with... maybe you should hand it in no matter what. cheap shot... sorry.

 

[TME]

Let's not freak out too much. He is still only a rookie. And he's not Superman!

You're right to an extent, but as someone pointed out earlier, we're not talking about an RB here, not a QB.QBs tend to need more seasoning than RBs, which tend to hit right away. I'm not saying Bush can't markedly improve, but to blame it on getting used to the pro game may be grasping a bit. You didn't see guys like LT, Portis, Edge, or, heck, even Leon Washington endure the same difficulties running the ball.

Yes, RB's can be more impactful immediately, but generally, an RB develops over time just like any other player. Yes, guys like LT, Edge, etc. have shown otherwise, but look at the top 10 NFL rushers today. How many of them came out in year one and blew up? Tiki, LJ, Taylor, Jackson, JJ, Dunn, Gore, FWP, Rudi...no. Certainly, you can say that for the #2, you would expect something more like LT, but if Bush simply replicates his 1st half performance in the 2nd half, he still has 1,000 total yards. Not great and he certainly needs to show some improvement in the run, but not too shabby for part-time duty.

 

[FrostBite]

Hopefully his sore ankle he injured in week 1 is the reason he hasn't been as physical or ellusive as expected.

 

[kevthegrad]

If I paid 1.01 for the next Eric Metcalf I'm handing in my dynasty league ownership card.

You had the 1.01 to begin with... maybe you should hand it in no matter what. cheap shot... sorry.

HA! Oh no, no apologies, point taken! ha.I heard that Tony Siragusa was making comments about him needing to stop with the juking and side to side stuff, and just hit the line from time to time. I'm wondering if anybody else thinks there's a point to that. I mean, he's no giant but he could certainly TRY from time to time.

 

[kevthegrad]

Any local New Orleans buzz on this? I imagine the team hype is large with Colston breaking out and the team doing so well, but you'd think there would be some 'concern' at Reggie's production in the local media given his 'savior' like status when he arrived.

 

[Lauryn]

OK, so I know it's early in his career to be freaking out, but I have to share I'm now having 2nd thoughts about Reggie Bush.I had the 1st overall pick in my dynasty league, and I know I couldn't pass up on Reggie given all the buzz/hype that was around him. He seems to play a role in the receiving game which is nice, but I have to share that I'm really stressing out now over his inability to run the ball so far.He seems to go for the outside all the time, they have him contained, and it's just ugly. I am holding out hope given what guys the size of Barry Sanders and Brian Westbrook have been able to do, but I'm curious to hear from other dynasty owners. Are you having buyers remorse now? I'm watching Laurence Maroney develop and feeling some envy.

I traded Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Frank Gore for Reggie Bush and Lee Evans in the offseason in my dyno league.

you got on that one

 

[gregjcross]

This sounds like complete panic and overreaction. For dynasty leagues Bush is a great asset.Im in a dynasty league w/ W.Parker and R.Brown and i heard the same things about them, "you should worry"; "Cant get it done against tough teams" and "limited and bound to share time" at various times both last year and early this year. Right now they are 8 and 9 in my league with bright futures. Bush will ultimately be the same after the team lets Deuce move on.Just my 2c

OK, so I know it's early in his career to be freaking out, but I have to share I'm now having 2nd thoughts about Reggie Bush.I had the 1st overall pick in my dynasty league, and I know I couldn't pass up on Reggie given all the buzz/hype that was around him. He seems to play a role in the receiving game which is nice, but I have to share that I'm really stressing out now over his inability to run the ball so far.He seems to go for the outside all the time, they have him contained, and it's just ugly. I am holding out hope given what guys the size of Barry Sanders and Brian Westbrook have been able to do, but I'm curious to hear from other dynasty owners. Are you having buyers remorse now? I'm watching Laurence Maroney develop and feeling some envy.

 

[kevthegrad]

Think they let Deuce move on this year? A guy who seems to know his football told me the Deuce contract they re-did last year is really long term and SO expensive to get out of that the Saints might be 'stuck' with him.

 

[Sheriff66]

I am not nervous at all. He will blow up at some point, could ALL of the NFL scouts be wrong? I doubt it. Buy Low!

Yes, they can, see Robert Gallery....

 

[Simris]

I got him 1.01 in my 16 team dynasty draft.

I am rebuilding so his lack of production THIS year is OK by me.

Being a Bronco fan I can't help but wonder how he would perform in that type of system. One cut and take it up the field.

I am hoping NO builds an O scheme that will utilize his talents.

I was hoping he would end up in HOU where Kubiack would emulate his mentor Shanny. To no avail.

NO needs to hire Alex Gibbs to revamp their O line for them.

Appears to have worked for U of M this season.

NO is building a team and looking good. I am looking forward to great things from Bush.

 

[JetMaxx]

No. Why?

I drafted Maroney over Bush @ 1.1 in my dynasty league. The owner @ 1.2 was trying to acquire my pick at the draft with the intention, he says, to take Maroney as well. He ended up taking Bush @ 1.2 and repeatedly tells me that he settled for his 2nd choice.

Maroney was a stud at Minnesota and he's a stud in waiting at New England. I thought at the time that Bush is a glorified 3rd down back and he has done nothing to change my opinion so far.

 

[jesseasi]

I traded Reggie Bush away about 3 weeks ago. I trade Bush and S. Moss for Holt and Randy Moss.

Dynasty League.....I could not be happier!

 

[Hendo]

how many reports do people have to read or look at to finaly accept this decison?

look i LOVE Reggie Bush. the dudes oozing talent however he has NEVER... ever ever ever been a featured RB his entire career.... EVER. doesnt that just kinda say something? i mean this isnt to say he CANT ever be one but that alone gives me doubts.

hes never been a great inside runner, his talent is speed+pass catching and really good vision, atleast in my eyes. looking back at USC tapes its not like he was lining up against top ranked teams either with NFL skill. they had a lot of talent to help open holes and they utilized White perfectly to help break down defenses.

EVERY report i read on Maroney was true and then some. hes a perfect fit for the NFL proto-type(power/speed/size) wise and an excelent fit in NE's 1 cut and go scheme. i did see Maroney go in some Dynasty leagues from the get go over Bush too, however this isnt to indicate he's a lock to out-produce Bush in 5 years either.

but if i was a betting man my money would be on the fast dude with dreads

 

[EBF]

I only have him one dynasty and it's a PPR, so I'm not all that concerned. I still think he's a sensational talent who will eventually carve out a good niche for himself. That said, the lack of big plays and the dismal YPC average are absolutely shocking. Bush is very quick and always appeared to have good instincts in college. For now, I'll have to chalk it up to growing pains. Young backs do struggle sometimes (Caddy this year and KJ last year). I still think Reggie Bush is a great player with a bright future.