Whose rankings do you like? (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

Here's a bit of what I mean (and I'm not trying to be critical, I really respect the opinion of the FBG rankers).

Waiver Report
QB Derek Carr NO
bid: 20-40%
Carr's emergence in Klint Kubiak's offense is one of the biggest stories of the first two weeks of the season. We don't know his true fantasy ceiling because both games have basically been over at halftime. The Week 2 performance is even more telling because unlike Carolina, the Cowboys defense wasn't demoralized. Carr is a high floor QB1 heading into a matchup with the Eagles.

FBG WEEKLY RANKING:
QB22

FBG REST OF SEASON RANKING:
QB18

@Joe Bryant , sorry to bring it up again... it's just trying to figure out who to trust as those are extremely different takes. It's my only issue with the site or rankings.

No need to be sorry, but it's the same answer as earlier.

The Rest of Season Rankings are detailed statistical projection from now until the end of the year. They're like our Preseason Projections where projectors project every relevant stat down to the last yard. It's a huge endeavor each week and they're our most detailed work for the value from today through the end of the year. Way more difficult to do all the stat projections than just rankings. But by doing the stat projections, it gives us a huge advantage over the competition as it allows our customer to run the projections through their specific scoring system. Vs the generic rankings that are more common. Bob Henry and Justin Freeman do those for offense.

Sometimes they're similar situations, but the Waiver Wire Report is by our Sigmund Bloom who does not do detailed stat projections but will offer the players he's seeing moving both up and down with a brief explanation of why.

I don't know of any three people I put more faith in than Bob, Justin and Sigmund. But they're doing different tasks here.

I usually use the features in tandem seeing who caught Sigmund's eye from this week and then weigh against the Rest of Season projections. If it's a one week decision, I'll use our projections for this week only. If it's a longer range window, I'll use the Rest Of Season projections.

The waiver report is Sigmund's take. He's higher on Carr than the rest of the Staff.

Having different voices is one of the best parts of Footballguys. I think it's our strength. But it also can be confusing with different opinions.

I suppose it would help if I forced Sigmund to be 100% in lockstep with the rest of the staff. But that's not how I've ever run the site.

Thanks for the reply.

I REALLY love the waiver report as it really helps suggested FAAB to spend... just wished it was more a "what fbg thinks" type report. I do wish there was a simpler way for waiver pickups than sifting through the rest of season rankings but it is what it is.

The ROS is also great, but I do really have a hard time seeing CMC as RB4 ROS. Would LOVE to hear Henry/Freeman's reasons for having CMC this high ROS. Would be amazing to see them post in the "where would you draft CMC if you drafted today" forum as it seems they would still take him top 5.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Exactly what I do. Love that feature on FantasyPros.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

 

[BassNBrew]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I know I've been asking for this for a couple of years, but really wish the current weeks projection by expert would populate on the player page like it used to. It's so much easier when debating between two players to know that Joe Bryant projecting Swift for 2-15-.1 is pulling him below White in the consensus ranking then to have to look at each individuals staffers rankings to see if an outlier is moving the needle. It's also a huge help in single game dfs when trying to determine if a $6000 R. Johnson is a better play than a $6000 Herbert.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I know I've been asking for this for a couple of years, but really wish the current weeks projection by expert would populate on the player page like it used to. It's so much easier when debating between two players to know that Joe Bryant projecting Swift for 2-15-.1 is pulling him below White in the consensus ranking then to have to look at each individuals staffers rankings to see if an outlier is moving the needle. It's also a huge help in single game dfs when trying to determine if a $6000 R. Johnson is a better play than a $6000 Herbert.

Thanks. Updating the player pages is a future project we'll be starting on this year. Likely will be a next year thing but I've got some things I'd to change there.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

Also to add, it's past that time now but in the Draft Dominator, you can do a custom blend of our projectors to weigh some more than others if you prefer.

Bottom line, giving the customer more power in how they can use our rankings and projections has always been a big part of what we do.

 

[titusbramble]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I just had a look at this - this really falls down when it comes to questionable players. Check Keenan Allen for example - the individual rankings list him at 11, 10, 9, 7, 2, 1 and unlisted and the consensus is 7.2 or so - so what I am assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) is it's taking the average of everyone that submitted a ranking, and ignoring that some are seemingly going "well 20% of the time he starts and gets 10 points but 80% of the time he is inactive so just take the worst of both worlds and project 2". This is awful methodology when it comes to getting an accurate consensus - clearly I wouldn't expect staffers to submit multiple sets of rankings conditional on injuries, but if you think someone is likely going to be out then project as such please

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I just had a look at this - this really falls down when it comes to questionable players. Check Keenan Allen for example - the individual rankings list him at 11, 10, 9, 7, 2, 1 and unlisted and the consensus is 7.2 or so - so what I am assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) is it's taking the average of everyone that submitted a ranking, and ignoring that some are seemingly going "well 20% of the time he starts and gets 10 points but 80% of the time he is inactive so just take the worst of both worlds and project 2". This is awful methodology when it comes to getting an accurate consensus - clearly I wouldn't expect staffers to submit multiple sets of rankings conditional on injuries, but if you think someone is likely going to be out then project as such please

What link are you seeing that has Allen ranked like that?

For the rankings, those always get sharper as the week progresses and we get more information. But you're right of course, ranking the players who are questionable to play is by far the toughest part of this.

 

[titusbramble]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I just had a look at this - this really falls down when it comes to questionable players. Check Keenan Allen for example - the individual rankings list him at 11, 10, 9, 7, 2, 1 and unlisted and the consensus is 7.2 or so - so what I am assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) is it's taking the average of everyone that submitted a ranking, and ignoring that some are seemingly going "well 20% of the time he starts and gets 10 points but 80% of the time he is inactive so just take the worst of both worlds and project 2". This is awful methodology when it comes to getting an accurate consensus - clearly I wouldn't expect staffers to submit multiple sets of rankings conditional on injuries, but if you think someone is likely going to be out then project as such please

What link are you seeing that has Allen ranked like that?

Week 3 landing page - just get basic rankings - wide receivers, then clicking through to individual staffers accordingly

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like a consensus, but also like guys who take risks with their rankings, but they need to be successful at it more often than not.

I know it’s not exclusively FBG experts, but I like how fantasypros ranks all industry experts each year.

Someone at fantasypros a couple years ago did an analysis not only looking at who the top experts are but who the top experts are that also went against the grain a little.

Ended up being guys like Chris Raybon, Rob Waziak, Sean Koerner, and a few others. Can’t remember if any FBG were on it. So since fantasypros let’s you choose what experts you like when exporting rankings, what I end up doing is exporting just the consensus of these 6-8 experts and compare to my own rankings for a sanity check.

Absolutely. We do that also and it's a good way to give people more control if they want it.

The default way to view our rankings is by consensus. But you can easily select specific rankers to include or exclude. Just click on the "Experts +" button at the top right and you can select who you want in the mix. https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?week=3

I just had a look at this - this really falls down when it comes to questionable players. Check Keenan Allen for example - the individual rankings list him at 11, 10, 9, 7, 2, 1 and unlisted and the consensus is 7.2 or so - so what I am assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) is it's taking the average of everyone that submitted a ranking, and ignoring that some are seemingly going "well 20% of the time he starts and gets 10 points but 80% of the time he is inactive so just take the worst of both worlds and project 2". This is awful methodology when it comes to getting an accurate consensus - clearly I wouldn't expect staffers to submit multiple sets of rankings conditional on injuries, but if you think someone is likely going to be out then project as such please

What link are you seeing that has Allen ranked like that?

Week 3 landing page - just get basic rankings - wide receivers, then clicking through to individual staffers accordingly

Thanks but I think we're looking at different things. Keenan Allen is in the WR 80+ range for Week 3 https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/weekly?pos=wrMostly because of as you say, his status is uncertain right now. We'll hopefully have a much better idea closer to game time.

 

[titusbramble]

You link the exact same page I'm describing

Except now Allen is projected at 5 points. Which, again, doesn't help anyone. Most people would need to know what Allen is expected to score if he plays, as that is the only time we are going to actually consider him in our lineups. Having the consensus be dragged down by someone projecting 1-2 points on a "well, he's probably out but there's a chance, right" which wouldn't happen (I hope) if they just made a call and went "likely out, project DJM, Odunze etc up accordingly and do not list Allen at all". If you can't pro-rate Bob Harris projecting 1.1 for Allen right now as being worth 0.1-0.2 experts on account of (I guess) Harris only expecting Allen to suit up 10-20% of the time, then I'm going to need to modify who I include in the consensus accordingly. Which is a shame, as for all I know his rankings for my players which are 100% might be the best of everyone's

 

[Soulfly3]

the richardson love is beyond out of control, imo.

The sample size is RIDICULOUSLY small that you probably can't get much from it, BUT he was QB5, QB24, and QB3 (QB4 total) over the 3 weeks he actually played last year.

The potential is for sure there, but not sure he can keep that average up across a whole season.

he smells. yikes.... not even I thought he was THIS bad.

 

[TheWinz]

@Joe Bryant

Just a question about weekly ROS rankings - only 2 staffers have posted their rankings. Can we expect more than 2 each week?

 

[Navin Johnson]

@Joe Bryant

Just a question about weekly ROS rankings - only 2 staffers have posted their rankings. Can we expect more than 2 each week?

Week 3 isn't even over yet