[Dynasty] Start 2 QB League (1 Viewer)

[Gamma1210]

Hi, I found this site this past season and have been lurking to see if it would be worth subscribing too. Obviously after seeing what it has to offer, I will be a subscriber this year.

My main league has always been a 10 team start 2 QB league. I have convinced them to switch to dynasty this year. There is some discussion on 2 QB redrafts but nothing on dynasty.

The drafts can be very exciting as teams can draft many ways and still field solid teams. This past year the winner went QB-RB-RB, the 2nd place team went WR-QB-RB, and I finished 3rd (1st place in regular season) and went RB-RB-WR. So it shows there are more options than the basic RB-RB-RB.

My league starts:

2 QB

2 RB

4 WR

1 Flex(almost always RB)

1 K

IDPs

There is PPR for all positions, but I plan on moving to .5/1/2 for RB/WR/TE so the mock is based on that. 6pt all TDs, 10yards rushing or receiving per point and 25 passing yards per point.

What I wanted to do is post a mock draft of the first few rounds for discussion as well as discuss general strategy. I do not know my draft slot as of yet so this is a general draft, it is not meant to be totally ideal, but it is my best guess as to how my league will draft. Once more thing is that this does not include rookies as we will have a separate rookie draft. The team with the 10th pick here will get the #1 rookie draft so that is something to consider as well. I will post each round and add some comments after each:

1.01- LT

1.02- LJ

1.03- Sjax

1.04- Peyton

1.05- Westbrook

1.06- Gore

1.07- Bush

1.08- Palmer

1.09- MJD

1.10- Steve Smith

Comments: Someone will reach for MJD and Smith and I can’t see Palmer and Manning going any later. LJ/Sjax tossup but gut feeling is LJ at #2

Targets: My goal in round 1 is to draft a stud to build my team around. Not looking for boom or bust(MJD), also think it is too early for any WR as the first tier is large. If slot 1-3 then LT, LJ, Sjax. If slot 4-10: Manning, Bush, Palmer

Avoid: MJD, Gore, Smith

2.01- Parker

2.02- Addai

2.03- Ronnie Brown

2.04- Portis

2.05- Brees

2.06- Fitz

2.07- Rudi

2.08- Ocho Cinco

2.09- SAlex

2.10- Maroney

Comments: This was a tough round to do because a team can go for a RB2 or a top WR or QB. I think my league mates will shy away from Alexander and Portis due to last year and Alexander’s age and make them huge values. Rudi will also slide due to his lack of catches. I think Addai and Maroney will be reaches because we do not know if they will be getting most of the carries. I will be looking for a RB here with value or maybe Brees if Brown, Portis, Alexander, and Rudi are all taken.

3.01- Brady

3.02- McNabb

3.03- Vick

3.04- Wayne

3.05- McGahee

3.06- Gates

3.07- Holt

3.08- Chester Taylor

3.09- Bulger

3.10- Eli

Comments: I was going to leave McNabb out totally due to his injury but I am confident that someone will take him in the 3rd at the latest. As the top RBs deplete this round seems to have good value with top WRs. If I went RB-RB in the first 2 rounds I would be extremely happy with Wayne or Holt here. I know for sure that Eli will go earlier then he should as we are all from NJ.

4.01- Dwill

4.02- Deuce

4.03- A. Johnson

4.04- Rivers

4.05- Jacobs

4.06- V. Young

4.07- Caddy

4.08- Edge

4.09- Roy Williams

4.10- Boldin

This is another tough round to predict. As we are all new to dynasty I think youth will be overvalued in this area as teams will want someone who they think will produce for years with high upside. I think caddy and edge have good value here as they have no competition for the job right now, but I can’t make myself move them up any higher. Boldin and Williams are solid young WRs and good value here. I think Young will go at least this early as someone will take the risk. Jacobs was tough to place. I actually doubt he falls this far with Giants fans in the draft but there is a lot of speculation about the Giants bringing in another RB.

5.01- Hasselbeck

5.02- Colston

5.03- Leinart

5.04- Winslow

5.05- Shockey

5.06- TO

5.07- Walker

5.08- Turner

5.09- Evans

5.10- Heap

I have Turner here for now but he can be a big mover if he leaves, but if the draft was today I think this is a decent spot for him. TEs will start to go as 2PPR gives a big advantage to teams with a top 5 TE. I don’t see many people in my league high on Evans so he may be a real nice pick around this area.

6.01- Cutler

6.02- Romo

6.03- Harrison

6.04- Big Ben

6.05- Benson

6.06- Alex Smith (QB)

6.07- Djax

6.08- Ward

6.09- Gonzo

6.10- Housh

I don’t really like the way I did this round, but I see this as a big talent gap for RBs and QBs. The value here is in WR with Harrison, Djax and Ward all dropping in dynasty due to age or injury concerns. Housh could go higher but I don’t see him repeating last year. Any of the QBs in this round could be great, but it won’t be easy to pick which one. I like Ben and Cutler here as both have the talent and younger weapons, but run oriented offences. I’ve been reading about Pittsburgh going to more 4 WR sets, and Cutler will have his chances as well. Benson will be a big mover depending on what happens with Jones, but I think this round seems right.

Well this post got long very fast (I only planned on doing 3 rounds, but 6 gives a better picture of the variety of ways to draft) but I want to touch on my strategy some more:

As I don’t have a draft slot yet, I can’t target specific players in the 1st few rounds but I plan on going strong on RBs and QBs, as they make the best trade bait. It is as tough to trade for a top QB as it is a RB. WRs are the easiest to trade for, so I plan on avoiding them early unless he is the BPA.

I have a feeling most teams will draft a starting lineup first before depth (except maybe an extra RB). This gives me an advantage as I plan on taking high upside RBs while others are taking WR3s. This will put me in a strong trading position later. I feel I can find usable WRs a little later on which will suffice if trades can’t be done. Also the rookie draft is WR strong so that helps with this plan as well.

Another strategy is trading down. I want to look for holes in the draft where if I move down a round, the quality of player doesn’t decrease much. An example in my mock might be round 2. If all the RBs I like in that round are already taken, I would rather trade that pick and grab more picks later on. This has to be evaluated dynamically during the draft. In the reverse situation, if someone I value drops but I’m still several picks away, I would inquire about moving up if I don’t give up much.

Lastly, (I hope none of my league mates are on this board) I believe the 08 rookies will be much better than this years class, and as I trade throughout the season I plan on getting as many 08 first rounders as possible.

Please feel free to rip apart my draft, I will try to defend my mock as best I can but plan on making updates as we discuss players, and situations change. I know there are others in start 2 QB leagues so I hope this is helpful.

 

[broncofan13000]

 

[Duckboy]

Hi, I found this site this past season and have been lurking to see if it would be worth subscribing too. Obviously after seeing what it has to offer, I will be a subscriber this year.

Welcome; there's a lot of good information between the boards and the subscription. I have not participated in a 2 QB dynasty, but my local league (auction redraft) is 2/2/3 so there are some similarities over the short term. I'm going to try to stay to general strategy with my comments versus the mock for now.

My league starts:2 QB2 RB4 WR1 Flex(almost always RB)1 KIDPsThere is PPR for all positions, but I plan on moving to .5/1/2 for RB/WR/TE so the mock is based on that. 6pt all TDs, 10yards rushing or receiving per point and 25 passing yards per point.

With a 10 team start 2, you can almost guarantee all of the viable starting QBs are taken. Given that (at a minimum) there would be 3 per team, that leaves the dregs as waiver options. Dynasty wise, especially if I were drafting in a start 2, getting that steady, long-term QB play (as QBs tend to last longer than RBs or WRs) is key. You didn't list turnover penalties, but given 6 for passing TDs, that makes the Mannings and Palmers even more valuable (slight downgrade to the Vick-style QB). You want to make sure you aren't stuck starting the Trent Greens and Brad Johnsons.Addtionally, the 2 PPR for TE's makes the top tier extremely valuable. Points wise, that puts Gates value last year (in what might have been a somewhat down year) at the RB8 level. If you can somehow steal another top TE down the line, it may play as a better flex option than say RB20-25.Most important is still to know your league. If you can let value drop, especially getting a 2nd top TE, all the better.I'll save the round-by round for another post (probably later tonight).

As I don’t have a draft slot yet, I can’t target specific players in the 1st few rounds but I plan on going strong on RBs and QBs, as they make the best trade bait. It is as tough to trade for a top QB as it is a RB. WRs are the easiest to trade for, so I plan on avoiding them early unless he is the BPA.

This is a good plan. WRs can be more sluffed than other positions. Also depends on where you sit in the draft; if you end up at the end of the vet/start of the rookie, I'd be tempted to considering avoiding RB and going QB-QB if 2 of Manning/Palmer/Brees were available. That leaves you chances to pick up RB value later while others are chasing QB2/3 value.

I have a feeling most teams will draft a starting lineup first before depth (except maybe an extra RB). This gives me an advantage as I plan on taking high upside RBs while others are taking WR3s. This will put me in a strong trading position later. I feel I can find usable WRs a little later on which will suffice if trades can’t be done. Also the rookie draft is WR strong so that helps with this plan as well.

I'd concur with this, but strongly think about a 2nd TE if one of the top 5/6 drop down too far.

Another strategy is trading down. I want to look for holes in the draft where if I move down a round, the quality of player doesn’t decrease much. An example in my mock might be round 2. If all the RBs I like in that round are already taken, I would rather trade that pick and grab more picks later on. This has to be evaluated dynamically during the draft. In the reverse situation, if someone I value drops but I’m still several picks away, I would inquire about moving up if I don’t give up much.

This is an important and underrated part of dynasty drafting. Figuring out how to drop in a round and get 2 from an equivalently valued tier plus a later upgrade (so, say mid 2nd/3rd and 9th for late 2nd/early 3rd and 8th) can get you 2 desired players plus ahead a tier on another player. Likewise, grabbing that last player in a higher tier can be worth the later drops as the value levels out.

Please feel free to rip apart my draft, I will try to defend my mock as best I can but plan on making updates as we discuss players, and situations change. I know there are others in start 2 QB leagues so I hope this is helpful.

No ripping required. You seem to have a pretty good idea on how to go about things. If you can figure out how to catch the value as it drops, you're in great shape. Good luck.

 

[Gamma1210]

Hi, I found this site this past season and have been lurking to see if it would be worth subscribing too. Obviously after seeing what it has to offer, I will be a subscriber this year.

Welcome; there's a lot of good information between the boards and the subscription. I have not participated in a 2 QB dynasty, but my local league (auction redraft) is 2/2/3 so there are some similarities over the short term. I'm going to try to stay to general strategy with my comments versus the mock for now.

My league starts:2 QB

2 RB

4 WR

1 Flex(almost always RB)

1 K

IDPs

There is PPR for all positions, but I plan on moving to .5/1/2 for RB/WR/TE so the mock is based on that. 6pt all TDs, 10yards rushing or receiving per point and 25 passing yards per point.

With a 10 team start 2, you can almost guarantee all of the viable starting QBs are taken. Given that (at a minimum) there would be 3 per team, that leaves the dregs as waiver options. Dynasty wise, especially if I were drafting in a start 2, getting that steady, long-term QB play (as QBs tend to last longer than RBs or WRs) is key.

You didn't list turnover penalties, but given 6 for passing TDs, that makes the Mannings and Palmers even more valuable (slight downgrade to the Vick-style QB). You want to make sure you aren't stuck starting the Trent Greens and Brad Johnsons.

Addtionally, the 2 PPR for TE's makes the top tier extremely valuable. Points wise, that puts Gates value last year (in what might have been a somewhat down year) at the RB8 level. If you can somehow steal another top TE down the line, it may play as a better flex option than say RB20-25.

Most important is still to know your league. If you can let value drop, especially getting a 2nd top TE, all the better.

I'll save the round-by round for another post (probably later tonight).

I have a feeling the top TEs other than Gates and maybe Winslow(one of the leaguemates is very high on him) Will drop further than they should. Since top TEs can produce for a long time grabbing 2 TEs and 2 QBs may be a better option than chasing WRs

As I don’t have a draft slot yet, I can’t target specific players in the 1st few rounds but I plan on going strong on RBs and QBs, as they make the best trade bait. It is as tough to trade for a top QB as it is a RB. WRs are the easiest to trade for, so I plan on avoiding them early unless he is the BPA.

This is a good plan. WRs can be more sluffed than other positions. Also depends on where you sit in the draft; if you end up at the end of the vet/start of the rookie, I'd be tempted to considering avoiding RB and going QB-QB if 2 of Manning/Palmer/Brees were available. That leaves you chances to pick up RB value later while others are chasing QB2/3 value.

I think this is a sold plan I didn't really consider especially if I am at the bottom of round 1 I will have a high rookie pick to burn on a RB. I know Peyton won't get past the 6 spot, but a start of Palmer/Brees would give me 2 top tier starters for a long time.

Another strategy is trading down. I want to look for holes in the draft where if I move down a round, the quality of player doesn’t decrease much. An example in my mock might be round 2. If all the RBs I like in that round are already taken, I would rather trade that pick and grab more picks later on. This has to be evaluated dynamically during the draft. In the reverse situation, if someone I value drops but I’m still several picks away, I would inquire about moving up if I don’t give up much.

This is an important and underrated part of dynasty drafting. Figuring out how to drop in a round and get 2 from an equivalently valued tier plus a later upgrade (so, say mid 2nd/3rd and 9th for late 2nd/early 3rd and 8th) can get you 2 desired players plus ahead a tier on another player. Likewise, grabbing that last player in a higher tier can be worth the later drops as the value levels out.

I think this could be valuable if I take 2 QBs early, I can trade down as others are rushing not to have to get Charlie Frye as their 2nd QB.

Thanks for the help and I hope others will chime in with their thoughts

 

[H.K.]

What does VBD say?

 

[Gamma1210]

What does VBD say?

I haven't attempted a VBD analysis yet, as it is tough to predict for fantasy. I think I will try to look back at the past 3 years and see how going 2 QBs early compares to a RB heavy approach.