Dynasty Start Up League (1 Viewer)

[AcerFC]

I have done an extensive search on this topic and cant seem to find anything for the new guy to dynasty. If there is something out there that I have missed, please just post the link, no need for the

I know there is a ton of info out there on rookie drafts and dynasty rankings, but what I am looking for is a dynasty strategy from a veteran dynasty guy. I dont need all of the secrets but give me something about what to expect out of a dynasty league/team.

Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts, when do QBs go, can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early. I know that everyone has their own strategies but there has to be some similaritites that people see from league to league.

I see a lot of Rookie Mock drafts on what the first round might look like but what might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like. Obviously each draft will be contingent on that leagues rules but I am looking for generalities. (My league has the TE getting 2 ppr so I am sure Gates will go in the 1st round)

Any help/advice/suggestions would be great because I value the Shark Pools opinion.

Again, if this has been answered before, all I need is a link and Ill be on my way

 

[PlayaHata]

I joined a startup dynasty league last year (my first) and have REALLY enjoyed it. I'll try to tackle a few of your questions.

Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts? Yes, especially young backs with a lot of potential like Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, etc.

When do QBs go? It depends. The franchise QBs like Manning will go early in the 1st, but it all depends on scoring. My league scores passing TDs as 6 points so QBs went a little earlier than other leagues.

Can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early?I'll have to say it depends again. I waited on QBs in my startup draft and was very happy to get Roethlisberger in round 10 and Leftwich in round 12. Needless to say that didn't turn out too well. I traded for Kitna midseason though and still finished 3rd in the league.

What might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like?Pretty much like a redraft league, but bump up all rookies and younger players slightly and downgrade older players a little. If you're a FBG subscriber (and you should be!) there are always updated dynasty ranking posted.

BTW, my league is also 2ppr for tight ends and I drafted Gates at 2.03.

If you're interested, here's a link to my league

http://64.73.31.121/2006/home/25989/

 

[Team Legacy]

I joined a startup dynasty league last year (my first) and have REALLY enjoyed it. I'll try to tackle a few of your questions.

Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts? Yes, especially young backs with a lot of potential like Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, etc.

When do QBs go? It depends. The franchise QBs like Manning will go early in the 1st, but it all depends on scoring. My league scores passing TDs as 6 points so QBs went a little earlier than other leagues.

Can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early?I'll have to say it depends again. I waited on QBs in my startup draft and was very happy to get Roethlisberger in round 10 and Leftwich in round 12. Needless to say that didn't turn out too well. I traded for Kitna midseason though and still finished 3rd in the league.

What might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like?Pretty much like a redraft league, but bump up all rookies and younger players slightly and downgrade older players a little. If you're a FBG subscriber (and you should be!) there are always updated dynasty ranking posted.

BTW, my league is also 2ppr for tight ends and I drafted Gates at 2.03.

If you're interested, here's a link to my league

http://64.73.31.121/2006/home/25989/

You guys let Jones Drew slide to 3.2??? That's the FARTHEST I have seen him drop from last year's drafts. Bet everyone there is KICKING themselves they let the DWill owner snag another stud.

 

[PlayaHata]

I joined a startup dynasty league last year (my first) and have REALLY enjoyed it. I'll try to tackle a few of your questions.

Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts? Yes, especially young backs with a lot of potential like Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, etc.

When do QBs go? It depends. The franchise QBs like Manning will go early in the 1st, but it all depends on scoring. My league scores passing TDs as 6 points so QBs went a little earlier than other leagues.

Can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early?I'll have to say it depends again. I waited on QBs in my startup draft and was very happy to get Roethlisberger in round 10 and Leftwich in round 12. Needless to say that didn't turn out too well. I traded for Kitna midseason though and still finished 3rd in the league.

What might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like?Pretty much like a redraft league, but bump up all rookies and younger players slightly and downgrade older players a little. If you're a FBG subscriber (and you should be!) there are always updated dynasty ranking posted.

BTW, my league is also 2ppr for tight ends and I drafted Gates at 2.03.

If you're interested, here's a link to my league

http://64.73.31.121/2006/home/25989/

You guys let Jones Drew slide to 3.2??? That's the FARTHEST I have seen him drop from last year's drafts. Bet everyone there is KICKING themselves they let the DWill owner snag another stud.

My only defense is that this is an IDP league so there were a lot of DEF players drafted ahead of MJD.But yes, I am kicking myself for drafting D'Qwell Jackson ahead of MJD.

Oh, and the owner who drafted DWill and MJD still only finished 5-9 and missed the playoffs.

 

[Warhogs]

I have played dynasty for 3 years now. My opinion is that the first thing you need to decide is an approach of win now or build for the long haul and try to stick to it. I tend to build for the long haul but each strategy has its plusses and minuses. I think a lot of teams tend to get stuck in the middle by going back and forth with this decision during the draft. You always have to weigh both sides during a pick but try to stick to a philosophy.

With either strategy I think you want to grab a lot of young talent that may have not received an opportunity in the 2nd half of the draft. While it is true that in the last few years you can get a lot of value late in the draft with guys like Rod Smith, Amani Toomer, Brett Favre, etc., they really are not going to help you out much if they are buried far enough on your bench that you will never start them. Basically, in the 2nd half of the draft I will always look at veterans but I ask myself how much, if any would I ever start them. If they are just depth, I take a chance on young potential instead.

Those are just a few things I look at.

 

[PlayaHata]

Getting back to the original topic, I'll also add that you can usually find very good VALUE in older WRs in an initial dynasty draft. Snagging 1-3 guys that have been performing at a high level for years but are nearing the end of their career usually is worth it. Just make sure to balance the experience with at least some youth.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have done an extensive search on this topic and cant seem to find anything for the new guy to dynasty. If there is something out there that I have missed, please just post the link, no need for the I know there is a ton of info out there on rookie drafts and dynasty rankings, but what I am looking for is a dynasty strategy from a veteran dynasty guy. I dont need all of the secrets but give me something about what to expect out of a dynasty league/team.Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts, when do QBs go, can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early. I know that everyone has their own strategies but there has to be some similaritites that people see from league to league.I see a lot of Rookie Mock drafts on what the first round might look like but what might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like. Obviously each draft will be contingent on that leagues rules but I am looking for generalities. (My league has the TE getting 2 ppr so I am sure Gates will go in the 1st round)Any help/advice/suggestions would be great because I value the Shark Pools opinion. Again, if this has been answered before, all I need is a link and Ill be on my way

General thoughts:1. Studs go first, with age (youth) preferred.2. Reliables go second, again younger preferred. This means "Can this guy be my WR2/QB/RB2 for the next 4 years". 3. Potential. Tough to gauge, but upside has value. If a guy has been WR35 for 3 years running, you know his ceiling. If Michael Turner hasn't got a shot to start yet, his upside has value. Some view this as "unproven" value, and that's a valid point. Risk/reward.4. Aged vets. Sometimes they have value, and nearly every team will start a couple. Rounds out your roster and depth.5. Total flyers. Could be "the next Colston", or could be the next Lee Suggs. Some may not make a roster.

 

[Z-Dog]

Value choices will depend in large part on the extent to which rosters turn over. In dynasty, picking a player is picking all of his production for the rest of his career. An easy equation is Value = average VBD * years. A WR or QB will have a lower VBD b/c these positions have less seperation from player to player, but they will have higher years b/c the productive careers of these players is much longer, generally, than RBs.

If you play with large (25+ for a starting lineup of maybe 10) rosters and no limitations on how long you can keep players, there is going to be very little by way of FA talent from year to year. This means you need to have a balance of age and youth at every position and manage the turnover from year to year as players start to age. When you play with smaller rosters there is usually some veteran talent available in the FA market. This would allow you, for example, to ignore all the young WRs in favor of the young RBs and QBs. Having found your young franchise cornerstones you fill in with veteran WRs whom you replace regularly.

Everything varies with your league, and dynasty really forces you to understand your league and how it apportions the supply of talent to teams. Good luck!

 

[jeter23]

I will use my last start up draft as an example for a few random thoughts/ideas--

* try to get a mixture of young guys with potential and vets that can be counted on in the short term. My Qbs drafted were E Manning, Rivers, McNair and Schaub. I was also able to add Romo.

* Rbs will go early and often, and will make up about 10 or 11 of the first 12 picks. I have found that many use very early picks on young RBs that look like the next sure thing. 2 or 3 years ago I took McGahee at 1.02 of a MOX draft over Alexander and many others. That is bad enough, but the other 2 guys I was considering were the Jones boys, Kevin and Julius. I am not saying that Bush, MJD, maroney and DWill would not make good picks, but there is a definite risk there.

* With 2 PPR for TE, Gates will go in the 1st round for sure, maybe even in the top 5. I would wait and grab a couple of useful guys and go with the TEBC approach.

Good luck!

 

[AcerFC]

This is great stuff and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks to all and please keep the ideas coming

 

[stevegamer]

If you can get a dominant sure-fire stud at a spot with plenty left in the tank, he's gold, regardless of position.

In a lot of ways, I'd be quite willing to start a dynasty draft and slough RB in favor of studs elsewhere - however, you need to simulatneously get viable RB for your system, otherwise you'll be finishing last.

If it's an IDP league, slough them - come over to the IDP forum and stay for a spell.

Guys like PManning & Gates have a ton of value in dynasty as studs for a looong time.

 

[AcerFC]

I joined a startup dynasty league last year (my first) and have REALLY enjoyed it. I'll try to tackle a few of your questions.

Do Running Backs go as fast as in redrafts? Yes, especially young backs with a lot of potential like Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, etc.

When do QBs go? It depends. The franchise QBs like Manning will go early in the 1st, but it all depends on scoring. My league scores passing TDs as 6 points so QBs went a little earlier than other leagues.

Can you sluff on QBs in dynasty or is it important to grab a good one early?I'll have to say it depends again. I waited on QBs in my startup draft and was very happy to get Roethlisberger in round 10 and Leftwich in round 12. Needless to say that didn't turn out too well. I traded for Kitna midseason though and still finished 3rd in the league.

What might a start up dynasty leagues 1st round look like?Pretty much like a redraft league, but bump up all rookies and younger players slightly and downgrade older players a little. If you're a FBG subscriber (and you should be!) there are always updated dynasty ranking posted.

BTW, my league is also 2ppr for tight ends and I drafted Gates at 2.03.

If you're interested, here's a link to my league

http://64.73.31.121/2006/home/25989/

Thanks for your inoput. My thread was not limited to just these questions so if you have any more or think about something please add it

 

[jeter23]

Also, if you trust your drafting skills, I would suggest trying to trade down. One team in my league made several trades out of the 1st round and ended up with at least 5 1st round picks in the upcoming rookie draft. Those future rookie picks can be way undervauled during s start up where many are trying to win now. Most thought he was selling out year 1 for the future, but he ended up competing for a playoff spot and has the rookie picks to boot.

CSTU

 

[billyjoe]

First off, forget drafting rookies/youth. People overpay for them, they're largely unproven, and 50% will bust. Find the guy who wants to trade everything away for future picks, he's your friend.

Remember young for WRs, is 27-29. That's closing in on OLD for RBs. I like to go younger on my RBs, and a touch older on my WRs.

If you can trade up for LJ/LT/SJAX, do it. After that it's a nightmare. No way I'm happy about Gore/Westbrook at 1.04.

Don't be scared to get 1/2 of a RBBC. Benson holds a ton more value then TJ. If you get Benson, don't reach for TJ.

Picks are worth a lot at draft, but after the draft, early in the season, 2008 picks will be very cheap. Acquire them then, not now. Find the guy who barely loses his first two games, and grab his 1st for "a starter" to help him "make a run". Don’t trade for draft picks at their highest value (draft day) and don’t deal vets at their lowest (offseason). You deal for draft picks during the year, and you unload vets during the year. Offseason is a good time to collect proven guys, who had a down year or were injured. Look at CJ this year. I know a bunch of people who bailed on him week 7. Look at Bush, same deal. Sometimes you have to let guys sit on your bench, and wait for next year. In dynasty you can’t deal guys due to a slump or injury. Keep proven talent.

Always get the best player.

Get proven guys. 2-3 years is proven. Gore is not proven. MJD is not proven. Rudi is proven. Maroney/KJ are not proven. Brown is proven. SS, Gates, Palmer, Holt, Fitz, CJ, Boldin, all proven.

Once guys have a 2-3 year track record, usually only injuries can stop them. They'll get touches, they'll get the ball, they'll get their yards. If Gore plays 6 games next year, or even struggles (bye bye Norv), it's not really a huge shocker. Look at Jordan. One great year, then nothing. Jordan wasn't ever proven. He never had a track record.

Avoid guys like Turner. He'll probably go in the 2nd/3rd round. Forget trying to project. You're not good at it, so just go by track records. Forget trying to pick the next super sleeper. The next stud flier. Don't waste 5 roster spots on "potential".

Guys like Galloway, Moose, Keyshawn, Glenn should fill your bench. Trust me, if you want to play for 2008, you can dump those guys after a big game without any problems (for a struggling "potential" player).

Forget Chris Perry. For the love of god, just say no.

Santana Moss, Deuce, Driver, Ward, Crumpler, Coles, Dunn. You grab 4 of those guys in the round 4-7 range, you'll be much better then the guys grabbing White, Jacobs, Turner, Jordan, Lewis' of the world.

Overpay for Manning or Palmer. If Plamer falls to 3, get him. He'll be a top 3-5 QB for the next 6 years. You can't say that about maybe QBs. Otherwise, wait on your QB. Grab Bulger/McNabb late.

Avoid anyone who's due for a "break out year", "3rd year as a WR", "should win starting job" type guys. Draft a guy who is going to put up 8-12 pts a week. He's 10x easier to trade then "mr. breakout". High risk guys become "busts" very quickly. Coles will be grabbing 8 catches, 90 yards while Turner gets 4 carries for 11 yards. Let people overpay for hype. You keep grabbing *starters*.

Ask yourself, do I feel okay starting this guy week 1? If no, don't draft him unless all your starting slots are filled. Don't draft guys who will be on your bench week 1 before you draft the starter.

That's about it.

 

[EBF]

- Understand the importance of league setup/scoring and draft accordingly. In a 12 team start 2 RB league, RBs have a lot more value than in a 12 team 1 RB PPR league. Some leagues have funky rules where QB scoring or RB scoring is of extreme importance relative to the other positions. If this is the case in your league then be sure to make these positions a priority.

- There are a lot of valid ways to approach the initial draft. I like to try to snag a handful of proven talents in the first few rounds instead of rolling the dice on the flavor of the year. This year, I'd be avoiding guys like Addai, Drew, Norwood, Jacobs, Houshmandzadeh, and Colston. In the first 50 or so picks, you want to avoid guys who haven't proven themselves and you also want to avoid players who are coming off of potentially flukish seasons. You'll never kick yourself for drafting a proven star like McNabb or Wayne, but you will often regret using an early pick on a flashy young RB. The majority of my worst picks been on the latter group (Suggs, C. Brown, Barlow, W. Green, T. Henry, Foster).

- It's better to undershoot and draft too young than it is to overshoot and draft too old. I'll give you examples from last year. I drafted Santonio Holmes, Marcedes Lewis, and Eddie Kennison in roughly the same range in one of my leagues. I've received multiple offer for Holmes and Lewis, but I can't give Kennison away (even though he outscored the other two). Old players depreciate in value and are nearly worthless in trades. Top young players retain more value than old players even if they don't produce. Lewis is a great example. He had a very quiet rookie year, but I've still gotten multiple decent offers for him. Young players have a chance to improve and increase in value, whereas most old players will only go downhill.

This might seem to contradict what I said earlier about taking proven talents. It doesn't. I only advocate exclusively taking proven talents in the first 4-5 rounds. At that point, you can get guys who are both proven and young (like Tomlinson, Boldin, C. Johnson, Wayne, Palmer, Shockey, Gates, etc.) These guys are dynasty gold.

- Use your mid-late picks on rookies and second and third year players who were early picks in the NFL draft. Most people think it's impossible to predict who will break out, but most breakout players are former 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That was the case this past year, with Bernard Berrian, Ladell Betts, and Maurice Drew. Those guys were all 2nd-3rd round NFL draft picks. This year's guys to target are Marcedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Roddy White, Matt Jones, Vincent Jackson, Chris Henry, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Derek Hagan, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, LenDale White, JJ Arrington, Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and Aaron Rodgers. Most of these guys can he had for DIRT cheap. Many of them will flop, but I guarantee you that a few of these guys will eventually become very strong FF performers. People tend to have a very short memory and will often forget about young players if they don't produce immediately. Use this to your advantage. In rounds 10-16, try to get as many of these guys as possible. You won't be able to land them all, but pick your favorites and add them to your squad.

- Contrary to popular belief, decent RBs can often be drafted in the later rounds. You could've gotten Ladell Betts, Frank Gore, Travis Henry, or Maurice Drew in the 6th+ round of many leagues last year. Remember that talented players will almost always get a shot eventually. Instead of using an early pick on a marginal talent like Chester Taylor, you might want to wait a while and grab someone like Michael Turner, Chris Perry, or LenDale White. They don't have similar short-term value, but they might actually have more dynasty value because they're probably all more talented than Taylor.

 

[AcerFC]

Also, if you trust your drafting skills, I would suggest trying to trade down. One team in my league made several trades out of the 1st round and ended up with at least 5 1st round picks in the upcoming rookie draft. Those future rookie picks can be way undervauled during s start up where many are trying to win now. Most thought he was selling out year 1 for the future, but he ended up competing for a playoff spot and has the rookie picks to boot. CSTU

I am in a league where a guy did that as well, might be same league. MOX HP4. I made one of those deals. Traded my 2nd, 12th and 08 first rounder for a 3rd and 5th. I feel like the value I will be getting with the extra 3rd and 5th will over power the 08 first, even if it is a top 3 pick.

 

[AcerFC]

First off, forget drafting rookies/youth. People overpay for them, they're largely unproven, and 50% will bust. Find the guy who wants to trade everything away for future picks, he's your friend.Remember young for WRs, is 27-29. That's closing in on OLD for RBs. I like to go younger on my RBs, and a touch older on my WRs.If you can trade up for LJ/LT/SJAX, do it. After that it's a nightmare. No way I'm happy about Gore/Westbrook at 1.04. Don't be scared to get 1/2 of a RBBC. Benson holds a ton more value then TJ. If you get Benson, don't reach for TJ. Picks are worth a lot at draft, but after the draft, early in the season, 2008 picks will be very cheap. Acquire them then, not now. Find the guy who barely loses his first two games, and grab his 1st for "a starter" to help him "make a run". Don’t trade for draft picks at their highest value (draft day) and don’t deal vets at their lowest (offseason). You deal for draft picks during the year, and you unload vets during the year. Offseason is a good time to collect proven guys, who had a down year or were injured. Look at CJ this year. I know a bunch of people who bailed on him week 7. Look at Bush, same deal. Sometimes you have to let guys sit on your bench, and wait for next year. In dynasty you can’t deal guys due to a slump or injury. Keep proven talent. Always get the best player. Get proven guys. 2-3 years is proven. Gore is not proven. MJD is not proven. Rudi is proven. Maroney/KJ are not proven. Brown is proven. SS, Gates, Palmer, Holt, Fitz, CJ, Boldin, all proven. Once guys have a 2-3 year track record, usually only injuries can stop them. They'll get touches, they'll get the ball, they'll get their yards. If Gore plays 6 games next year, or even struggles (bye bye Norv), it's not really a huge shocker. Look at Jordan. One great year, then nothing. Jordan wasn't ever proven. He never had a track record.Avoid guys like Turner. He'll probably go in the 2nd/3rd round. Forget trying to project. You're not good at it, so just go by track records. Forget trying to pick the next super sleeper. The next stud flier. Don't waste 5 roster spots on "potential". Guys like Galloway, Moose, Keyshawn, Glenn should fill your bench. Trust me, if you want to play for 2008, you can dump those guys after a big game without any problems (for a struggling "potential" player). Forget Chris Perry. For the love of god, just say no.Santana Moss, Deuce, Driver, Ward, Crumpler, Coles, Dunn. You grab 4 of those guys in the round 4-7 range, you'll be much better then the guys grabbing White, Jacobs, Turner, Jordan, Lewis' of the world. Overpay for Manning or Palmer. If Plamer falls to 3, get him. He'll be a top 3-5 QB for the next 6 years. You can't say that about maybe QBs. Otherwise, wait on your QB. Grab Bulger/McNabb late.Avoid anyone who's due for a "break out year", "3rd year as a WR", "should win starting job" type guys. Draft a guy who is going to put up 8-12 pts a week. He's 10x easier to trade then "mr. breakout". High risk guys become "busts" very quickly. Coles will be grabbing 8 catches, 90 yards while Turner gets 4 carries for 11 yards. Let people overpay for hype. You keep grabbing *starters*.Ask yourself, do I feel okay starting this guy week 1? If no, don't draft him unless all your starting slots are filled. Don't draft guys who will be on your bench week 1 before you draft the starter. That's about it.

That was extensive, thanksI already did one thing you said not to and that was trade my 08 1st. I traded my 2nd, 12th and 08 1st for a 3rd and 5th. We will see how it works out

 

[AcerFC]

- Use your mid-late picks on rookies and second and third year players who were early picks in the NFL draft. Most people think it's impossible to predict who will break out, but most breakout players are former 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That was the case this past year, with Bernard Berrian, Ladell Betts, and Maurice Drew. Those guys were all 2nd-3rd round NFL draft picks. This year's guys to target are Marcedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Roddy White, Matt Jones, Vincent Jackson, Chris Henry, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Derek Hagan, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, LenDale White, JJ Arrington, Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and Aaron Rodgers. Most of these guys can he had for DIRT cheap. Many of them will flop, but I guarantee you that a few of these guys will eventually become very strong FF performers. People tend to have a very short memory and will often forget about young players if they don't produce immediately. Use this to your advantage. In rounds 10-16, try to get as many of these guys as possible. You won't be able to land them all, but pick your favorites and add them to your squad.

I like this analysis

 

[EBF]

- Use your mid-late picks on rookies and second and third year players who were early picks in the NFL draft. Most people think it's impossible to predict who will break out, but most breakout players are former 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That was the case this past year, with Bernard Berrian, Ladell Betts, and Maurice Drew. Those guys were all 2nd-3rd round NFL draft picks. This year's guys to target are Marcedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Roddy White, Matt Jones, Vincent Jackson, Chris Henry, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Derek Hagan, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, LenDale White, JJ Arrington, Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and Aaron Rodgers. Most of these guys can he had for DIRT cheap. Many of them will flop, but I guarantee you that a few of these guys will eventually become very strong FF performers. People tend to have a very short memory and will often forget about young players if they don't produce immediately. Use this to your advantage. In rounds 10-16, try to get as many of these guys as possible. You won't be able to land them all, but pick your favorites and add them to your squad.

I like this analysis

I've seen people pluck guys like Steve Smith, Brian Westbrook, Anquan Boldin, and Carson Palmer in rounds 11-20 in previous years. I've also seen a lot of guys like David Carr and Trung Canidate flop, but my point is that players who were chosen early were usually picked high for a reason. People have a tendency to forget that. There's not a shred of hype on these boards about Kellen Clemens, Marcedes Lewis, Chad Jackson, or LenDale White. These guys were EARLY picks. They're not all going to die and disappear. Believe me.

 

[perry147]

I would add also that what type of offense a team runs can influence how much value a player holds especially for RB's.

Example: Put Joseph Addai on the Browns or Texans and see what happens.

 

[santo71]

If you are starting a team D in your league, try and get a good system D. A D that has been good year in and year out, or has a strong young team that has good *proven* coordinators. Don't reach for a Chicago or Baltimore, let someone else do that. Teams like the Patriots, Carolina, Steelers, Dolphins have traditionally strong Ds and can be had much later. And don't let aberration years and "stars" skew your thinking.

 

[Driver]

All good thoughts and insights. Dynasty is much more complex than redraft, IMO. With redraft, the goal is clear -- draft players that will form a winning team in the coming season.

With dynasty, you can (1) "draft for now" (maximize the probability of winning this year), (2) "draft for the future" (maximize the probability of creating a winning dynasty team not this year but in the near future), or (3) try to draft a solid team that will establish the foundation for a winning team both now and in the future. I think the first goal is the easiest -- just draft similar to a redraft but avoid extremely "old vets" (Rod Smith, Brad Johnson) and take the youngest player whenever 2 or more players are in the same tier.

 

[toppshelff]

If you are starting a team D in your league, try and get a good system D. A D that has been good year in and year out, or has a strong young team that has good *proven* coordinators. Don't reach for a Chicago or Baltimore, let someone else do that. Teams like the Patriots, Carolina, Steelers, Dolphins have traditionally strong Ds and can be had much later. And don't let aberration years and "stars" skew your thinking.

San Diego? Good year in, year out? Improving every year, at least. Youth? Check. Good coordinators? ??

 

[Driver]

- Understand the importance of league setup/scoring and draft accordingly. In a 12 team start 2 RB league, RBs have a lot more value than in a 12 team 1 RB PPR league. Some leagues have funky rules where QB scoring or RB scoring is of extreme importance relative to the other positions. If this is the case in your league then be sure to make these positions a priority.

- There are a lot of valid ways to approach the initial draft. I like to try to snag a handful of proven talents in the first few rounds instead of rolling the dice on the flavor of the year. This year, I'd be avoiding guys like Addai, Drew, Norwood, Jacobs, Houshmandzadeh, and Colston. In the first 50 or so picks, you want to avoid guys who haven't proven themselves and you also want to avoid players who are coming off of potentially flukish seasons. You'll never kick yourself for drafting a proven star like McNabb or Wayne, but you will often regret using an early pick on a flashy young RB. The majority of my worst picks been on the latter group (Suggs, C. Brown, Barlow, W. Green, T. Henry, Foster).

- It's better to undershoot and draft too young than it is to overshoot and draft too old. I'll give you examples from last year. I drafted Santonio Holmes, Marcedes Lewis, and Eddie Kennison in roughly the same range in one of my leagues. I've received multiple offer for Holmes and Lewis, but I can't give Kennison away (even though he outscored the other two). Old players depreciate in value and are nearly worthless in trades. Top young players retain more value than old players even if they don't produce. Lewis is a great example. He had a very quiet rookie year, but I've still gotten multiple decent offers for him. Young players have a chance to improve and increase in value, whereas most old players will only go downhill.

This might seem to contradict what I said earlier about taking proven talents. It doesn't. I only advocate exclusively taking proven talents in the first 4-5 rounds. At that point, you can get guys who are both proven and young (like Tomlinson, Boldin, C. Johnson, Wayne, Palmer, Shockey, Gates, etc.) These guys are dynasty gold.

- Use your mid-late picks on rookies and second and third year players who were early picks in the NFL draft. Most people think it's impossible to predict who will break out, but most breakout players are former 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. That was the case this past year, with Bernard Berrian, Ladell Betts, and Maurice Drew. Those guys were all 2nd-3rd round NFL draft picks. This year's guys to target are Marcedes Lewis, Heath Miller, Roddy White, Matt Jones, Vincent Jackson, Chris Henry, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss, Derek Hagan, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, LenDale White, JJ Arrington, Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and Aaron Rodgers. Most of these guys can he had for DIRT cheap. Many of them will flop, but I guarantee you that a few of these guys will eventually become very strong FF performers. People tend to have a very short memory and will often forget about young players if they don't produce immediately. Use this to your advantage. In rounds 10-16, try to get as many of these guys as possible. You won't be able to land them all, but pick your favorites and add them to your squad.

- Contrary to popular belief, decent RBs can often be drafted in the later rounds. You could've gotten Ladell Betts, Frank Gore, Travis Henry, or Maurice Drew in the 6th+ round of many leagues last year. Remember that talented players will almost always get a shot eventually. Instead of using an early pick on a marginal talent like Chester Taylor, you might want to wait a while and grab someone like Michael Turner, Chris Perry, or LenDale White. They don't have similar short-term value, but they might actually have more dynasty value because they're probably all more talented than Taylor.

Avoid guys like Turner. He'll probably go in the 2nd/3rd round. Forget trying to project. You're not good at it, so just go by track records. Forget trying to pick the next super sleeper. The next stud flier. Don't waste 5 roster spots on "potential".

Guys like Galloway, Moose, Keyshawn, Glenn should fill your bench. Trust me, if you want to play for 2008, you can dump those guys after a big game without any problems (for a struggling "potential" player).

Forget Chris Perry. For the love of god, just say no.

Different opinions, as expected. Looks like an emphasis on "proven value (demonstrated track record)" vs. "high upside (potential stud)" -- an offshoot of the "draft for now" vs. "draft for the future" debate. Although I tend to lean in the proven track record direction, I have to agree that youth/upside/potential is probably more valuable in dynasty, especially for the long term. And the goal is astute drafting that combines both objectives and focuses on "best value" at each draft pick.But I also think that relying mostly on players with proven track records significantly increases expected value (of team points) in the short term, and definitely reduces the degree of variation and uncertainty associated with high-upside players. IMO the probability of success for "young players with great potential" (without a demonstrated track record) is substantially lower than generally expected.

 

[EBF]

Different opinions, as expected. Looks like an emphasis on "proven value (demonstrated track record)" vs. "high upside (potential stud)" -- an offshoot of the "draft for now" vs. "draft for the future" debate. Although I tend to lean in the proven track record direction, I have to agree that youth/upside/potential is probably more valuable in dynasty, especially for the long term. And the goal is astute drafting that combines both objectives and focuses on "best value" at each draft pick.

But I also think that relying mostly on players with proven track records significantly increases expected value (of team points) in the short term, and definitely reduces the degree of variation and uncertainty associated with high-upside players. IMO the probability of success for "young players with great potential" (without a demonstrated track record) is substantially lower than generally expected.

I agree completely. I'm not saying guys like Perry, White, and Turner are sure things. I'm just saying they're ranked below a lot of RBs with inferior talent (although Turner might actually be overrated now). That makes them pretty nice buys in dynasty leagues. Almost every scouting source I looked at had LenDale White ranked neck-and-neck with Maroney, Addai, and D-Will going into the draft last year. Many people actually had him ranked above those guys. Now, after one quiet year, he's available for a fraction of the cost. He's a terrific value right now.

It's not a question of if you should draft unproven young players, but rather when you should draft them. I generally don't advocate taking them in the first 50 picks unless it's a transcendent talent like Bush last year or maybe C. Johnson or Peterson this year.

I agree that most of the "next big thing" types don't live up to their billing.

However, once you get out of the first 7-8 rounds of a 12 team dynasty draft, you're looking at pretty thin veteran ranks. All of the good proven talents are gone. This is where I really recommend taking tons of gambles.

In past seasons I've been able to get guys like Thomas Jones, Anquan Boldin, Terry Glenn, Santana Moss, and Michael Turner in rounds 10+. I also snagged Larry Johnson in the 7th round of one league back when people were calling him a bust (like they are with C. Perry and L. White right now).

 

[Tick]

My sig has a lot of good data to take a look at and get a feel for how dynasty startups go.

 

[the_sig]

Different opinions, as expected. Looks like an emphasis on "proven value (demonstrated track record)" vs. "high upside (potential stud)" -- an offshoot of the "draft for now" vs. "draft for the future" debate. Although I tend to lean in the proven track record direction, I have to agree that youth/upside/potential is probably more valuable in dynasty, especially for the long term. And the goal is astute drafting that combines both objectives and focuses on "best value" at each draft pick.

But I also think that relying mostly on players with proven track records significantly increases expected value (of team points) in the short term, and definitely reduces the degree of variation and uncertainty associated with high-upside players. IMO the probability of success for "young players with great potential" (without a demonstrated track record) is substantially lower than generally expected.

I agree completely. I'm not saying guys like Perry, White, and Turner are sure things. I'm just saying they're ranked below a lot of RBs with inferior talent (although Turner might actually be overrated now). That makes them pretty nice buys in dynasty leagues. Almost every scouting source I looked at had LenDale White ranked neck-and-neck with Maroney, Addai, and D-Will going into the draft last year. Many people actually had him ranked above those guys. Now, after one quiet year, he's available for a fraction of the cost. He's a terrific value right now.

It's not a question of if you should draft unproven young players, but rather when you should draft them. I generally don't advocate taking them in the first 50 picks unless it's a transcendent talent like Bush last year or maybe C. Johnson or Peterson this year.

I agree that most of the "next big thing" types don't live up to their billing.

However, once you get out of the first 7-8 rounds of a 12 team dynasty draft, you're looking at pretty thin veteran ranks. All of the good proven talents are gone. This is where I really recommend taking tons of gambles.

In past seasons I've been able to get guys like Thomas Jones, Anquan Boldin, Terry Glenn, Santana Moss, and Michael Turner in rounds 10+. I also snagged Larry Johnson in the 7th round of one league back when people were calling him a bust (like they are with C. Perry and L. White right now).

Sorry to hijack....but in the OP's initial dynasty draft, where do you see a guy like Bush going? I see Pasquino and Bloom have them in the pick 6 to 16 range...is that about right by you guys? I am in a similar dyanasty startup as the OP, and when researching several '06 dyansty startups, Bush went even before the 6 to 16 range. I find it hard to imagine his rookie year has tarnished him much from a dynasty perspective, no?

 

[jeter23]

Bush went as high as 1.03 in startups last year, so I would not be surprised to see him in that spot again, if the league is PPR for RBs.

 

[EBF]

Different opinions, as expected. Looks like an emphasis on "proven value (demonstrated track record)" vs. "high upside (potential stud)" -- an offshoot of the "draft for now" vs. "draft for the future" debate. Although I tend to lean in the proven track record direction, I have to agree that youth/upside/potential is probably more valuable in dynasty, especially for the long term. And the goal is astute drafting that combines both objectives and focuses on "best value" at each draft pick.

But I also think that relying mostly on players with proven track records significantly increases expected value (of team points) in the short term, and definitely reduces the degree of variation and uncertainty associated with high-upside players. IMO the probability of success for "young players with great potential" (without a demonstrated track record) is substantially lower than generally expected.

I agree completely. I'm not saying guys like Perry, White, and Turner are sure things. I'm just saying they're ranked below a lot of RBs with inferior talent (although Turner might actually be overrated now). That makes them pretty nice buys in dynasty leagues. Almost every scouting source I looked at had LenDale White ranked neck-and-neck with Maroney, Addai, and D-Will going into the draft last year. Many people actually had him ranked above those guys. Now, after one quiet year, he's available for a fraction of the cost. He's a terrific value right now.

It's not a question of if you should draft unproven young players, but rather when you should draft them. I generally don't advocate taking them in the first 50 picks unless it's a transcendent talent like Bush last year or maybe C. Johnson or Peterson this year.

I agree that most of the "next big thing" types don't live up to their billing.

However, once you get out of the first 7-8 rounds of a 12 team dynasty draft, you're looking at pretty thin veteran ranks. All of the good proven talents are gone. This is where I really recommend taking tons of gambles.

In past seasons I've been able to get guys like Thomas Jones, Anquan Boldin, Terry Glenn, Santana Moss, and Michael Turner in rounds 10+. I also snagged Larry Johnson in the 7th round of one league back when people were calling him a bust (like they are with C. Perry and L. White right now).

Sorry to hijack....but in the OP's initial dynasty draft, where do you see a guy like Bush going? I see Pasquino and Bloom have them in the pick 6 to 16 range...is that about right by you guys? I am in a similar dyanasty startup as the OP, and when researching several '06 dyansty startups, Bush went even before the 6 to 16 range. I find it hard to imagine his rookie year has tarnished him much from a dynasty perspective, no?

It's all about format. In a PPR dynasty, Bush is a top 5 pick. He's an elite talent, he gets tons of catches, and he actually has the potential to get even better.

In a non-PPR, I'd probably bump him down quite a bit. He's too feast or famine in that format and it's difficult to say if he'll ever get the amount of touches needed to produce consistently. I still love his talent, but I think he's a reach in the first round and maybe even the second.

 

[the_sig]

Thanks for the feedback EBF

Regarding format.......in my case WR get 1PPR, TE get 2 PPR....and RB's get nada

 

[AcerFC]

Thanks for the feedback EBFRegarding format.......in my case WR get 1PPR, TE get 2 PPR....and RB's get nada

I would guess that Bush would fall in the mid 2nd round in a league where RBs get 0 (I happen to be in an exact league like that myself). I think the allure is that if Duece gets less of a role (and there is no reason he should) or if he gets hurt, then Bush would be a monster. People will draft on that fact alone and in a start up Dynasty, those that take risks and chances may be rewarded in the long run. I probably would not take him until the 3rd/4th round in a non ppr but thats just me and thats why I started this thread

 

[Nugget]

Thanks for the feedback EBFRegarding format.......in my case WR get 1PPR, TE get 2 PPR....and RB's get nada

I would guess that Bush would fall in the mid 2nd round in a league where RBs get 0 (I happen to be in an exact league like that myself). I think the allure is that if Duece gets less of a role (and there is no reason he should) or if he gets hurt, then Bush would be a monster. People will draft on that fact alone and in a start up Dynasty, those that take risks and chances may be rewarded in the long run. I probably would not take him until the 3rd/4th round in a non ppr but thats just me and thats why I started this thread

I have no doubt that Bush will be drafted in the 1st round of an initial startup draft this season with this scoring system (0 PPR for RB's). Most likely top 10. Mock out the first round w/ 14 picks and he will be off the board early.

 

[Sinrj]

Thanks for the feedback EBFRegarding format.......in my case WR get 1PPR, TE get 2 PPR....and RB's get nada

I would guess that Bush would fall in the mid 2nd round in a league where RBs get 0 (I happen to be in an exact league like that myself). I think the allure is that if Duece gets less of a role (and there is no reason he should) or if he gets hurt, then Bush would be a monster. People will draft on that fact alone and in a start up Dynasty, those that take risks and chances may be rewarded in the long run. I probably would not take him until the 3rd/4th round in a non ppr but thats just me and thats why I started this thread

I have no doubt that Bush will be drafted in the 1st round of an initial startup draft this season with this scoring system (0 PPR for RB's). Most likely top 10. Mock out the first round w/ 14 picks and he will be off the board early.

Bush was RB16 in the same format last year despite sharing carries with Deuce.

 

[AcerFC]

Bush was RB16 in the same format last year despite sharing carries with Deuce.

Thats my point though. If I told you that a RB ranked 16th, without giving his name was going to be drafted in the 1st round and there was a probability that his circumstances on his team wont change, what would you say. Im not saying you are wrong about him going but I just dont see it, especially with Duece's contract

 

[Nugget]

Bush was RB16 in the same format last year despite sharing carries with Deuce.

Thats my point though. If I told you that a RB ranked 16th, without giving his name was going to be drafted in the 1st round and there was a probability that his circumstances on his team wont change, what would you say. Im not saying you are wrong about him going but I just dont see it, especially with Duece's contract

If you told me I could get a 22 year RB who finished as RB16 as a rookie while being 2nd in carries on his team and was drafted 2nd overall in the NFL draft, I would spend a first round pick on that player.3 years from now I'd rather own a 25 year old Reggie Bush than Shaun Alexander who will be 33. Even if Bush never improves from RB 16, He is still a quality #2 back for the next 8+ years. If I add in the future value of the players as well as their current value, I have Bush going in the first.

 

[Sinrj]

Bush was RB16 in the same format last year despite sharing carries with Deuce.

Thats my point though. If I told you that a RB ranked 16th, without giving his name was going to be drafted in the 1st round and there was a probability that his circumstances on his team wont change, what would you say. Im not saying you are wrong about him going but I just dont see it, especially with Duece's contract

Bush circumstances will change. We just don't know when. Who would you rather draft ahead of him and where would you rank him if he was the undisputed starter come september?

 

[Beaumont]

Always draft for talent and value, never draft for situation and need ...

You can trade after the initial draft to put your pieces the way you want them ...

The initial draft is all about acquiring as much talent as possible ...

 

[AcerFC]

If you told me I could get a 22 year RB who finished as RB16 as a rookie while being 2nd in carries on his team and was drafted 2nd overall in the NFL draft, I would spend a first round pick on that player.3 years from now I'd rather own a 25 year old Reggie Bush than Shaun Alexander who will be 33. Even if Bush never improves from RB 16, He is still a quality #2 back for the next 8+ years. If I add in the future value of the players as well as their current value, I have Bush going in the first.

I understand your philosophy and this is where never playing in a dynasty league may come in and hurt me. At what pick is the Bush line set at. I mean what would be the lowest first round pick you would use on him. Here is who I would draft ahead of him in no order (just RBs)LT, LJ, SJax, Gore, Westbrook, R Johnson, J Addai, L Maroney (if Dillon is not back), Portis, C Taylor and probably R Brown. That is 11 RBs I would rather have then Bush in a start up dynasty. Am I way off base here? I am not trying to be confrontational and if I seem to be I apologize. I am trying to learn before my draft so please hammer me if you think I need it

 

[AcerFC]

Bush was RB16 in the same format last year despite sharing carries with Deuce.

Thats my point though. If I told you that a RB ranked 16th, without giving his name was going to be drafted in the 1st round and there was a probability that his circumstances on his team wont change, what would you say. Im not saying you are wrong about him going but I just dont see it, especially with Duece's contract

Bush circumstances will change. We just don't know when. Who would you rather draft ahead of him and where would you rank him if he was the undisputed starter come september?

Answered half in the above post. I think if Bush is clear starter and Duece is not there to take TDs away, then we have a different story. Probably top 5 RB

 

[AcerFC]

Always draft for talent and value, never draft for situation and need ...You can trade after the initial draft to put your pieces the way you want them ...The initial draft is all about acquiring as much talent as possible ...

At what cost to a season?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Always draft for talent and value, never draft for situation and need ...You can trade after the initial draft to put your pieces the way you want them ...The initial draft is all about acquiring as much talent as possible ...

At what cost to a season?

In a good dynasty league, trade talks occur WAY more often than in redraft.Talent over need. Trade later.You'll draft way more talent than you need to start. If you have to patch in a WR3 vet to cover Year 1 as you work a deal, so be it.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you told me I could get a 22 year RB who finished as RB16 as a rookie while being 2nd in carries on his team and was drafted 2nd overall in the NFL draft, I would spend a first round pick on that player.3 years from now I'd rather own a 25 year old Reggie Bush than Shaun Alexander who will be 33. Even if Bush never improves from RB 16, He is still a quality #2 back for the next 8+ years. If I add in the future value of the players as well as their current value, I have Bush going in the first.

I understand your philosophy and this is where never playing in a dynasty league may come in and hurt me. At what pick is the Bush line set at. I mean what would be the lowest first round pick you would use on him. Here is who I would draft ahead of him in no order (just RBs)LT, LJ, SJax, Gore, Westbrook, R Johnson, J Addai, L Maroney (if Dillon is not back), Portis, C Taylor and probably R Brown. That is 11 RBs I would rather have then Bush in a start up dynasty. Am I way off base here? I am not trying to be confrontational and if I seem to be I apologize. I am trying to learn before my draft so please hammer me if you think I need it

Yeah, I think you are off base. No way would I take Chester Taylor over Reggie Bush in a dynasty draft. Wouldn't take Rudi or Addai either. I suppose a case can be made for the others. But quite frankly if it were me the only guys I'd take before Bush are LT, LJ, Jackson and maybe Portis.

 

[EBF]

I understand your philosophy and this is where never playing in a dynasty league may come in and hurt me. At what pick is the Bush line set at. I mean what would be the lowest first round pick you would use on him. Here is who I would draft ahead of him in no order (just RBs)LT, LJ, SJax, Gore, Westbrook, R Johnson, J Addai, L Maroney (if Dillon is not back), Portis, C Taylor and probably R Brown. That is 11 RBs I would rather have then Bush in a start up dynasty. Am I way off base here?

As always, it's a matter of opinion. Personally, I think at least half of the guys you listed are extremely overrated. I wouldn't touch Addai, Maroney, or R. Brown at their dynasty ADP. You'd have to kill me and re-possess my body Weekend at Bernie's style in order to get me to use a top 50 pick on Chester Taylor. Rudi and Portis are weak options in PPR leagues, but decent plays in non-PPR. I think LT, Jackson, Gore, LJ, and Westbrook are the elite all-around backs in the NFL. Bush probably has more talent than all of those guys except LT. The problem with Bush is that he's a tad skinny and may not ever be a great TD scorer. Whether or not he truly reaches the next level in terms of production will probably depend on whether he ever falls into a situation like Brian Westbrook and Tiki Barber have. Those guys lack ideal size and power, but still produce monster numbers because they play on offenses take full advantage of their diverse talents. Bush has so much talent that you can pretty much rest assured that he's going to have a very long career if he remains healthy. He's the kind of player who demands touches on any team in any situation. That's not really the case with a guy like Addai, R. Brown, or Chester Taylor. I think those kind of guys are at a higher risk of losing PT in future seasons.

 

[Slinger]

Always draft for talent and value, never draft for situation and need ...You can trade after the initial draft to put your pieces the way you want them ...The initial draft is all about acquiring as much talent as possible ...

Do you feel the same philosophy applies to rookie drafts?

 

[Beaumont]

Always draft for talent and value, never draft for situation and need ...You can trade after the initial draft to put your pieces the way you want them ...The initial draft is all about acquiring as much talent as possible ...

Do you feel the same philosophy applies to rookie drafts?

Pretty much. The only position where I think situation plays in a bit more is RB. But even then? Talent (used in its broadest sense to include character, work ethic, etc.) always wins out eventually ...ETA: This is why I think you grab a top flight WR rather than reaching for a mediocre RB doomed to replacement (like Droughns) early in an initial draft ... many dynasties let you start one RB and start an extra WR or TE at flex. This can be an excellent strategy IMHO and I use it often (even running 2TE or 3TE lineups in some leagues depending on scoring) ...

 

[Driver]

If you told me I could get a 22 year RB who finished as RB16 as a rookie while being 2nd in carries on his team and was drafted 2nd overall in the NFL draft, I would spend a first round pick on that player.3 years from now I'd rather own a 25 year old Reggie Bush than Shaun Alexander who will be 33. Even if Bush never improves from RB 16, He is still a quality #2 back for the next 8+ years. If I add in the future value of the players as well as their current value, I have Bush going in the first.

I understand your philosophy and this is where never playing in a dynasty league may come in and hurt me. At what pick is the Bush line set at. I mean what would be the lowest first round pick you would use on him. Here is who I would draft ahead of him in no order (just RBs)LT, LJ, SJax, Gore, Westbrook, R Johnson, J Addai, L Maroney (if Dillon is not back), Portis, C Taylor and probably R Brown. That is 11 RBs I would rather have then Bush in a start up dynasty. Am I way off base here? I am not trying to be confrontational and if I seem to be I apologize. I am trying to learn before my draft so please hammer me if you think I need it

Just my $.02 -- my tiers (assuming non-ppr for RBs -- and no particular ranking of position within tier at this point):Tier 1 - LT, SJAX, LJTier 2 - Gore, PortisTier 3 - MJD, Parker, Addai, Bush, Westbrook, SATier 4 - RudiJ, RBrown, McGahee, MaroneyTier 5 - DWilliams, CTaylor, CWilliams, Deuce, Benson, Jacobs, Turner, KJones (assuming continued recovery and no bad news)Rookie RBs should be included -- IMO only Peterson and Lynch belong above but not sure what tier right now -- depends a lot of what team drafts them.Age is a key factor within tiers IMO. For example, I'd take SA last in Tier 3 only because of age -- and I'd take MJD/Bush/Addai ahead of Westbrook and Parker because of relative ages, too. All Tier 4 players should be available in 2nd round of 12-team draft. If I took one of the older RBs in round 1 (SA, LT, LJ, Parker, Westbrook), then I'd definitely take one of the younger RBs (Brown or Maroney) ahead of Rudi.If available, I'd take the RBs in Tiers 1-4 in rounds 1 and 2 before any other players, and I'd take Gates, top-3 QB, or top-10 WR before Tier 5 (assuming start 2 or more RBs and non-ppr for RBs).

 

[AcerFC]

Funny how people percieve things differently. I have 1.06 in my initial draft Bush is not even on my radar. I am thinking Maroney depending on Dillon. But the way you guys talk, Bush will be gone already. I would think the first three picks would be LT, LJ and SJax. Bush may go 4 or 5.

 

[dirtyhalos]

Funny how people percieve things differently. I have 1.06 in my initial draft Bush is not even on my radar. I am thinking Maroney depending on Dillon. But the way you guys talk, Bush will be gone already. I would think the first three picks would be LT, LJ and SJax. Bush may go 4 or 5.

depends on the scoring and personal opinion....bloom has him 6th, pasquino 16th, thats quite a difference http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/v...mp;howrecent=15

 

[Sinrj]

Funny how people percieve things differently. I have 1.06 in my initial draft Bush is not even on my radar. I am thinking Maroney depending on Dillon. But the way you guys talk, Bush will be gone already. I would think the first three picks would be LT, LJ and SJax. Bush may go 4 or 5.

You can always trade down. Gates is also a stud in this format. He's young and proven. I would consider him at 1.06.

 

[the_sig]

Funny how people percieve things differently. I have 1.06 in my initial draft Bush is not even on my radar. I am thinking Maroney depending on Dillon. But the way you guys talk, Bush will be gone already. I would think the first three picks would be LT, LJ and SJax. Bush may go 4 or 5.

You can always trade down. Gates is also a stud in this format. He's young and proven. I would consider him at 1.06.

Good point Sinrj....in Acer's format TE's get 2 PPR.Acer, you know I am in the MOX HP-5 that formed after your league. I have the 1.03, and have informally talked with the 1.01 and 1.02 owners. Our league will likely go LT, SJax then LJ. After that it seems to be wide open....