Dynasty STASHES for 2013 (1 Viewer)

[Casting Couch]

This is the last week for waivers for many leagues. Are there any players who would be an ideal off season stash who may still be sitting on the wire ?

David Nelson

 

[Texas989]

There is already a thread where this same type of topic is being discussed. I am not being rude I am just trying to help you out. The link is posted below.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=672097

 

[ConnSKINS26]

There is already a thread where this same type of topic is being discussed. I am not being rude I am just trying to help you out. The link is posted below.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=672097

Not really the same question. That OP is in a keeper league and is looking for undrafted (in fantasy) players that can be kept at great value this offseason. He lists possibilities like Wilson, Edelman, Streeter, L. James, L. Miller, Posey, Hillman, etc. Those players should pretty much ALL be owned in true, keep-all dynasty leagues.This thread is asking to scrounge deeper.Some really deep ones?Tauren PooleDevon Wylie (likely owned)Tori GurleyChris Polk (possibly owned)James HannaTravaris Cadet (likely owned)

 

[Our Gang]

Laron Byrd

 

[ummich10]

I'm in two pretty deep leagues, 45-50 man rosters with full idp. I don't have much startable depth at WR and RB, so I'm holding onto LaRon Byrd, Chris Owusu, Michael Smith, Charles Clay, Chris Polk, and Stephen Burton.

In another league, rosters are so deep (53 man rosters, offense only), I'm rostering guys who may or may not still be on practice squads, like Junior Hemingway, Dale Moss, Lennon Creer, Jewel Hampton, and Tim Benford.

I don't have much to go in deciding to roster them. Mostly guys who fell on draft day because of injury concerns, or I read something and liked their stories, work ethic, and character.

In Byrd's case though, I think I remember him making the Cardinals regular roster pretty early. I figured if the Cardinals can afford him on the regular roster, they might have something there, and he gets to learn from Fitzgerald. Not expecting anything from him until maybe 2014 though.

 

[Sabertooth]

Scooped up Matt Moore in a 2QB league. I may have to use Gronk in the consolations 3rd/4th place game to do it. But Moore is a free agent with a much longer resume than Matt Flynn had and although he might find the market cool, I don't see how the Chiefs, Jets, and Cardinals can go into next season standing pat at QB. He'll be probably the best FA if Vick is retained. Worth a shot. That gives me potentially 5 NFL starters and somebody will come knocking at some point. If not I cut him for a draft pick.

 

[RavenLunatic]

I prefer the rosters around 30-35 (IDP). The larger rosters are nice if you really believe in a stash but more often than not it just ends up eliminating the need for making tough decisions. Only good thing is we have a RFA and FA cut down period to make you really think what a guy is worth to you.

 

[squistion]

Devon Wylie - a Wes Welker upside and may get a shot to show what he can do in the last couple weeks. Bloom was very high on him in preseason.

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

Grabbed DuJuan Harris yet? He is going to get the lions share for the Packers this week and is totally under the radar off the practice squad. Wrote about him here the other day, but with this Alex Green concussion news, you need to get him on your roster.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'll list mine since my leagues are about locked, I play in 14, 16 team leagues with rosters between 40 to 50 (IDP)

Tebow - Should be released or Traded and will get another shot to start

Andre Brown - I was able to find him in a couple of leagues, some owners might of given up. Never know what will happen with Bradshaw, could have an early season injury.

Dwayne Harris - looks like the best #3 WR on Dallas

D Baldwin - never know what happens w/ S Rice and his 8.5 million pay check next yr. Plus an injury away from the starting line up.

and there was a thread on TEs http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=669582&st=0&p=15123616&hl=dynasty%20te&fromsearch=1entry15123616

 

[loose circuits]

Tyrod Taylor with the small chance Flacco isn't retained

 

[FUBAR]

In my deep league (roughly 800 players on rosters including IDP) I've picked up TJ Yates, Jewel Hampton, and Jarrett Boykin. Still have Joe Adams and Dwayne Harris on our taxi squad. Harris should be rostered, especially in deep leagues. Adams might be available.

ETA: if you wanted to include IDPs, I've also rostered Dontari Poe, Jerron McMillian, and Emannuel Acho.

Not expecting much from any of these guys but at the cost of a waiver pick, I'll take them. With only 2 draft picks this year and 5 taxi squad spots (rookies and 2nd year players are eligible), I've taken to using my late season waivers to fill next year's Taxi Squad.

Just picked up Laron Byrd and James Hanna this week.

 

[Two Deep]

Taylor Thompson: good things said in camp nothing since, but Cook may be gone next year.

 

[cstu]

Taylor Thompson: good things said in camp nothing since, but Cook may be gone next year.

Receiving-wise, that's true but he's been a beast blocking and on special teams.Link

Jared Cook had a career season. He showed the big play potential we expected from him when we moved up in the draft to select him. But with us in need of a tight end and Cook on his way to free agency, his price tag may be higher than it should. Does anyone really think the Titans should overpay for a tight end who is as inconsistent as he is explosive?

In the 2012 draft, the Titans selected Taylor Thompson, a defensive end who wowed scouts when he played tight-end in the Battle for the Rock All-Star Game. The majority of Thompson's playing time has come on special teams where he has displayed some exceptional blocking. With Cooks status uncertain, the question to be asked is which player has the highest upside and deserves the investment from the organization.

Jared Cook's physical attributes are well documented, a 6-5 248 lb monster who runs a 4.5 40 yard dash. But wrap your head around Thompson's numbers. Standing at 6-6 280 lbs (yes, 280!) Thompson towers over small corner backs and even most linebackers. But along with his size, he was able to run a 4.5 40 and that coupled with his stellar blocking skills, something Cook still struggles with, Thompson's upside well surpasses Cook's. Not to mention the fact that he runs fluid routes with smooth hips despite being used to having his hand in the ground on the defensive line. Thompson could be one of the leagues best.

The same can be said for loads of players around the league, and expecting a guy to actually achieve his athletic potential is pretty rare, but never the less, if Thompson could show signs of stardom over the next three games it would be a big deal as the Titans could allow Cook to walk and work with Thompson.

The biggest factor in my opinion is Cook's obvious shortcomings as a blocker. As much as we rave about receiver-like talent, it's fairly useless lining him up on the line as defenses could typically sense he is either a decoy or running a route because using him in pass protection was fairly useless. Thompson's skills a a blocker give him a leg up but he must improve his pass catching recognizing defenses. But these skills come with coaching, and if this coaching staff wants to stick around, they better be putting all there eggs in the Thompson basket and hope for the best.

 

[loose circuits]

Taylor Thompson: good things said in camp nothing since, but Cook may be gone next year.

Receiving-wise, that's true but he's been a beast blocking and on special teams.Link

Jared Cook had a career season. He showed the big play potential we expected from him when we moved up in the draft to select him. But with us in need of a tight end and Cook on his way to free agency, his price tag may be higher than it should. Does anyone really think the Titans should overpay for a tight end who is as inconsistent as he is explosive?

In the 2012 draft, the Titans selected Taylor Thompson, a defensive end who wowed scouts when he played tight-end in the Battle for the Rock All-Star Game. The majority of Thompson's playing time has come on special teams where he has displayed some exceptional blocking. With Cooks status uncertain, the question to be asked is which player has the highest upside and deserves the investment from the organization.

Jared Cook's physical attributes are well documented, a 6-5 248 lb monster who runs a 4.5 40 yard dash. But wrap your head around Thompson's numbers. Standing at 6-6 280 lbs (yes, 280!) Thompson towers over small corner backs and even most linebackers. But along with his size, he was able to run a 4.5 40 and that coupled with his stellar blocking skills, something Cook still struggles with, Thompson's upside well surpasses Cook's. Not to mention the fact that he runs fluid routes with smooth hips despite being used to having his hand in the ground on the defensive line. Thompson could be one of the leagues best.

The same can be said for loads of players around the league, and expecting a guy to actually achieve his athletic potential is pretty rare, but never the less, if Thompson could show signs of stardom over the next three games it would be a big deal as the Titans could allow Cook to walk and work with Thompson.

The biggest factor in my opinion is Cook's obvious shortcomings as a blocker. As much as we rave about receiver-like talent, it's fairly useless lining him up on the line as defenses could typically sense he is either a decoy or running a route because using him in pass protection was fairly useless. Thompson's skills a a blocker give him a leg up but he must improve his pass catching recognizing defenses. But these skills come with coaching, and if this coaching staff wants to stick around, they better be putting all there eggs in the Thompson basket and hope for the best.

Owned in every league I am in

 

[loose circuits]

Just scooped Adrien Robinson. Marty is a free agent so it is worth a shot

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Covered this in Buy Low Sell High the last 3 weeks:

QB

RB

WR/TE

 

[cstu]

Covered this in Buy Low Sell High the last 3 weeks:

QB

RB

WR/TE

Great stuff, Bloom. You probably are the last believer in Jacoby Ford. Nothing against his talent but he can't stay healthy and now has Streater and Criner to contend with.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Covered this in Buy Low Sell High the last 3 weeks:

QB

RB

WR/TE

Great stuff, Bloom. You probably are the last believer in Jacoby Ford. Nothing against his talent but he can't stay healthy and now has Streater and Criner to contend with.

i hear you... that's why he's a 100-to-1 shot that you can get off of the waiver wire instead of someone that is being jealously guarded on dynasty rosters. I know it was two years ago, but in 2010, he looked like a future star. Perhaps the injuries have robbed him of that upside, or he'll just never stay healthy for long, but when I look for offseason stashes, I start with the guys who have already shown that they can play at a very high level in the NFL.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Fwiw. I've never heard of this guy

Brandon Bostick - TE - Packers

According to Pro Football Weekly, Packers practice squad TE Brandon Bostick is considered an "X-factor" for the 2013 plans at the position.

Bostick was signed as an undrafted free agent out of Newberry (SC) after the 2012 draft. He was a receiver and basketball player in college who possesses "eye-opening potential as a downfield weapon." Green Bay is expected to cut ties with Jermichael Finley after the season, but D.J. Williams is considered the in-house favorite to replace him in the starting lineup. Bostick's athleticism is something to keep an eye on in the offseason.

Source: Pro Football Weekly Dec 22 - 3:23 PM

 

[Whitney26]

Fwiw. I've never heard of this guy

Brandon Bostick - TE - Packers

According to Pro Football Weekly, Packers practice squad TE Brandon Bostick is considered an "X-factor" for the 2013 plans at the position.

Bostick was signed as an undrafted free agent out of Newberry (SC) after the 2012 draft. He was a receiver and basketball player in college who possesses "eye-opening potential as a downfield weapon." Green Bay is expected to cut ties with Jermichael Finley after the season, but D.J. Williams is considered the in-house favorite to replace him in the starting lineup. Bostick's athleticism is something to keep an eye on in the offseason.

Source: Pro Football Weekly Dec 22 - 3:23 PM

I started following this guy when he blew up at his pro day last year. At 6'3+ and 243, has posted some impressive numbers:40 4.59

Broad Jump 10'1"

Vertical 36"

Bench 19 Reps

He's obviously athletically gifted, but I've never seen any tape. His production at DII Newberry was decent http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2011&org=1257&player=11

Another way-off-the-radar TE I'm interesting in seeing is Derek Carrier. After being one of the final cuts in Oakland, he landed in Philadelphia and he's been on the PS since. I'm not sure how he's doing, but he's a freak athlete.

Height 6'3"+

Weight 238

40 4.50

Short Shuttle 4.08

3-Cone 6.70

Broad Jump 10'2"

Vertical 38"

Bench 15 Reps

Highlights from Beloit College:

Finally, Lamont Bryant is another interesting TE stash. He's been stuck on the Carolina PS all year, but he flashed in the preseason. I may be wrong, but I think they have him at WR.

Height 6'4"

Weight 221

40 4.39

Short Shuttle 4.38

3-Cone 6.78

Broad Jump 10'8"

Vertical 43"

Bench 19 Reps

Here is a 79 yard TD from the preseason:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000056888/Clausen-s-79-yard-touchdown-bomb

 

[Xue]

Sucks that Lamont Bryant isn't in the MFL database. I wanted to stash him.

 

[Nucker101]

I'm very intrigued by Mario Fannin.

His profile: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Mario-Fannin?id=2495463

Highlights:

The size, speed and agility combo is amazing.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm very intrigued by Mario Fannin.

His profile: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Mario-Fannin?id=2495463

Highlights:

I've stashed him every offseason since he came out, but he keeps suffering terrible injuries. I'm not sure if I'll do it this season. These are the guys I've picked up in as many deep leagues as possible:Tauren Poole

Chris Polk

Darius Reynaud

James Hanna

Adrien Robinson

Virgil Green

Charles Clay

Travaris Cadet (probably not on most waiver wires)

Dion Lewis

Devon Wylie (same as Cadet)

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Sucks that Lamont Bryant isn't in the MFL database. I wanted to stash him.

Also annoyed by this.

 

[loose circuits]

Mikey Egnew active today. Seems like he's having a Jeremichael Finley like start to his career who was on waiver wires heading into year 2

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Mikey Egnew active today. Seems like he's having a Jeremichael Finley like start to his career who was on waiver wires heading into year 2

Dolphins fans seem to think he was a wasted pick. I wonder if they're being too pessimistic, or if dynasty owners seeing value is a sign of the Combine skewing our perceptions towards an athlete who can't play football?

 

[loose circuits]

Mikey Egnew active today. Seems like he's having a Jeremichael Finley like start to his career who was on waiver wires heading into year 2

Dolphins fans seem to think he was a wasted pick. I wonder if they're being too pessimistic, or if dynasty owners seeing value is a sign of the Combine skewing our perceptions towards an athlete who can't play football?

Same thing was said about Finley. Doesn't looked like Egnew was involved today. TE is tough to learn and at Mizzou he didn't block a lot. He was a project to begin with, I have hope Dolphins can coach him up. Philbin certainly knew how to get the most out of Finley

 

[loose circuits]

Fwiw. I've never heard of this guyBrandon Bostick - TE - PackersAccording to Pro Football Weekly, Packers practice squad TE Brandon Bostick is considered an "X-factor" for the 2013 plans at the position.Bostick was signed as an undrafted free agent out of Newberry (SC) after the 2012 draft. He was a receiver and basketball player in college who possesses "eye-opening potential as a downfield weapon." Green Bay is expected to cut ties with Jermichael Finley after the season, but D.J. Williams is considered the in-house favorite to replace him in the starting lineup. Bostick's athleticism is something to keep an eye on in the offseason.Source: Pro Football Weekly Dec 22 - 3:23 PM

Why did this dude disappear from MFL? I had him on my roster and once we upgraded he was gone

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted)David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

 

[cobalt_27]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted)David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

What's the status of Todd Heap? Is he d-u-n?

 

[rct]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:

James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted) p

David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)

also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

If one has him in a MFL league, he is listed as a RB, not as a TE.

 

[loose circuits]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:

James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted) p

David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)

also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

If one has him in a MFL league, he is listed as a RB, not as a TE.

If he goes somewhere else he will likely be used as a TE

 

[identikit]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:

James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted) p

David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)

also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

If one has him in a MFL league, he is listed as a RB, not as a TE.

If he goes somewhere else he will likely be used as a TE

And MFL will change his designation should that happen.

 

[dmac37]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:

James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)

Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)

also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

So far in free agency Cameron & Robinson are two TE flyers that could pay off with no other threats signed yet.

 

[Crippler]

lots of decent to good talents at TEs to hold thru offseason:

James Casey, FA (see if he's signed to a good spot to be a receiving TE)

Jordan Cameron, CLE (see if Watson/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Adrien Robinson, NYG (see if Bennett/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Evan Rodriguez CHI (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

David Ausberry, OAK (see if Myers/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Chase Coffman, ATL (see if Gonzo retires/replacement isn't signed/drafted)

Niles Paul, WAS (see if Davis/replacement isn't signed drafted)

also interested to see if either Julius Thomas or Virgil Green creates offseason buzz in Denver...

So far in free agency Cameron & Robinson are two TE flyers that could pay off with no other threats signed yet.

I think Casey has done well. I still like Eifert to the Giants at the 19 and why I would not be that high on Robinson as others might be. Some not bad TE's coming out in this draft.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

 

[finito]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

 

[bonesman]

Brandon Myers - TE - Giants

Giants signed TE Brandon Myers, formerly of the Raiders.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

Mar 16 - 8:12 PM

 

[finito]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

lol just seeing now it looks like he signed. Nice pickup for the GMen and great landing spot for Myers.

 

[cstu]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

lol just seeing now it looks like he signed. Nice pickup for the GMen and great landing spot for Myers.

Myers owners couldn't ask for a better spot.

 

[menobrown]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

lol just seeing now it looks like he signed. Nice pickup for the GMen and great landing spot for Myers.

Myers owners couldn't ask for a better spot.

Sure they could have. I quit looking after a 4 year look back which saw the Giants throw the ball to the TE's 25th most last year, 24th in 2011, 19th in 2010 and 25th the year before that. Personally I consider his landing spot to ranger from poor to below average.Cleveland on the other hand would have about as good as you could hope for but I think they like their TE's to be a little more vertically capable.

 

[finito]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

lol just seeing now it looks like he signed. Nice pickup for the GMen and great landing spot for Myers.

Myers owners couldn't ask for a better spot.

Sure they could have. I quit looking after a 4 year look back which saw the Giants throw the ball to the TE's 25th most last year, 24th in 2011, 19th in 2010 and 25th the year before that. Personally I consider his landing spot to ranger from poor to below average.Cleveland on the other hand would have about as good as you could hope for but I think they like their TE's to be a little more vertically capable.

I think the Giants as a landing spot is head and shoulders above Cleveland. You have a better QB, better coach, better system to succeed in place. Bennett did well last year and the Giants had no problem making Shockey a top 10 TE with Coughlin as coach. Myers is a good receiver, and IMO he will be used to his strengths.

 

[menobrown]

Myers to NYG kills Robinson hype for another year or so

I haven't heard anything about him signing - did they sign him?

lol just seeing now it looks like he signed. Nice pickup for the GMen and great landing spot for Myers.

Myers owners couldn't ask for a better spot.

Sure they could have. I quit looking after a 4 year look back which saw the Giants throw the ball to the TE's 25th most last year, 24th in 2011, 19th in 2010 and 25th the year before that. Personally I consider his landing spot to ranger from poor to below average.Cleveland on the other hand would have about as good as you could hope for but I think they like their TE's to be a little more vertically capable.

I think the Giants as a landing spot is head and shoulders above Cleveland. You have a better QB, better coach, better system to succeed in place. Bennett did well last year and the Giants had no problem making Shockey a top 10 TE with Coughlin as coach. Myers is a good receiver, and IMO he will be used to his strengths.

Blame it on injuries but in the end Marty B was average last season. In both single PPR and 1.5 TE PPR leagues he was TE 16 for average points per game and that's with Nicks ailing. Shockey was not a top 10 TE since 2006 so that means very little to me especially when it was a different OC and they did not have two elite type WR's. Off the top of my head I'm thinking 2006 was the last time the Giants produced a top 12 PPG fantasy TE.Chudzinksi became an OC the same year Gilbride became the Giants OC. Here is a breakdown of total fantasy points for the TE position over those years for all the Giants team versus teams Chud was HC or OC.2012 NYG- 23 Carolina- 122011 NYG- 18- Carolina- 42010 NYG- 15 San Diego- 22009 NYG-21 San Diego-32008 NYG-17 Cleveland- 142007 NYG-14 Cleveland-6I'm not sure if these fantasy rankings are PPR or not but I think not. If they are not PPR the gap would only grow wider. Point being in no year since Gilbride took over the Giants OC position and Chud became a HC or OC has Chud not got more fantasy point out of his TE's than Gilbride. As to your point about QB's Cleveland had subpar to terrible QB's in 2006-2007 and as good a fantasy player as Cam Newton is he's still not an elite passer.Every year Chud has taken over a new team as OC or HC the TE production improved over the previous season. Every year Chud has left a team the TE production worsened. Sometimes slightly, sometimes greatly.For the life of me I can't see the NYG's being remotely as good of a landing spot as Cleveland but carry on if that's how you feel.