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Eagles Trading Up? (1 Viewer)

Jeff Pasquino

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Take this FWIW:

I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.

Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.

The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.

If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.

So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?

 
Price = Lito and their 1st to move up to get a back-up OL. Sweet.

Possibly - Saints?

ETA- Bills or Pats (if Gohlston is gone)

 
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Saints and Bills make sense to me. Once we get to the 12-15 gauntlet, we have 4 consecutive teams that might be looking OL themselves.

 
Not sure whwy they would trade up for an OT, there will be a couple ready for them at 19 IMO, and very good ones.

Including Chris Williams and Gosder Cherilus if they want to "push" an OT onto their roster.

Carolina would be a good partner, the Panthers are going to go D' IMO, and Dan Conner should still be around at 19.

 
Not sure whwy they would trade up for an OT, there will be a couple ready for them at 19 IMO, and very good ones.Including Chris Williams and Gosder Cherilus if they want to "push" an OT onto their roster.Carolina would be a good partner, the Panthers are going to go D' IMO, and Dan Conner should still be around at 19.
I think the point is that they are infatuated with two particular OTs.My best guess is that they hold tight until draft day, but work the phones in advance of the draft with Teams 11-18.That way, if one of those OT go, they immediately know what to do to move up so as not to lose the other one.
 
At least one of those guys will be there at 19, so I've no interest in seeing Reid make a move up.
That's what I thought at first, but it seems that the 14-19 range has OT written all over it.I'd rather stand pat personally, but we shall see.
This draft seems too deep at OT to pay the price to move up.On the flip side, I didn't think there were any WR's worthy of a top 20 pick, but a nice cluster of them for the second round.It seems Philly would be better served moving down 10 spots or so.
 
If true, does this mean they have already decided Justice is a bust?
First of all, this is merely a rumor. Second, the team is always looking to improve. Tra and Runyan are near the end of their "effective" playing careers and the Eagles have tried to plan for that for quite awhile. Andrews was drafted as a RT, but it would be tough to see him replicate his All Pro status outside. When you have a dominant player at a position, you no doubt think long and hard before moving him. Herremans also played guard and tackle in college, but clearly is set at guard. You never pass up on a tackle if you honestly think they can be a long-time starter.If the season started today, Justice would be our third tackle. Stefan Rodgers would be our 4th tackle...and that's just not going to cut it.The most likely scenario, if the Eagles take an OT early, would be to keep:Tra ThomasTodd HerremansJamaal JacksonShawn AndrewsJon RunyanMax Jean-GillesROOKIEScott Young OR Nick Cole
 
The Eagles trading their number 1 and number 2 to Buffalo for a number 1 and 5

works out almost exactly even using the draft value trade chart.

 
At least one of those guys will be there at 19, so I've no interest in seeing Reid make a move up.
That's what I thought at first, but it seems that the 14-19 range has OT written all over it.I'd rather stand pat personally, but we shall see.
This draft seems too deep at OT to pay the price to move up.On the flip side, I didn't think there were any WR's worthy of a top 20 pick, but a nice cluster of them for the second round.It seems Philly would be better served moving down 10 spots or so.
That's we seem to see - but remember when McNabb was drafted? There were several possible QBs that could go high in Round 1, yet the Eagles picked out possibly the best one (rather than going the Akili Smith route).We may think that the handful of OTs and WRs are interchangeable, but I sincerely doubt that the Philly FO agrees with that assessment.
 
Take this FWIW:I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?
I would love for the Bills to trade down.
 
I think KC would like to trade down for more picks. Maybe Jake Long is there and they move up?

I really think they need more "Skill" players on offense though.

 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?

 
Take this FWIW:I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?
I would love for the Bills to trade down.
If the Eagles FO is looking to make a move, this might make sense.Lito Sheppard may then be a Bill.Sheppard plus 19 for 11?
 
Take this FWIW:I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?
I would love for the Bills to trade down.
Ditto. They can still get almost any WR at 19 as well.
 
Take this FWIW:I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?
I would love for the Bills to trade down.
Ditto. They can still get almost any WR at 19 as well.
Yes, I'm piecing this together as well. I like this move for both if that's their end goal(s).Philly: No Lito, and OT of desireBuffalo: WR #1 and Lito
 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
Sucks might be too strong a word...but that left side would definately have me a little nervous...and you'd still be looking at rookies or bargain basement FA's behind them.Sorry...they need to get another OT to develop now.

 
At least one of those guys will be there at 19, so I've no interest in seeing Reid make a move up.
That's what I thought at first, but it seems that the 14-19 range has OT written all over it.I'd rather stand pat personally, but we shall see.
This draft seems too deep at OT to pay the price to move up.On the flip side, I didn't think there were any WR's worthy of a top 20 pick, but a nice cluster of them for the second round.

It seems Philly would be better served moving down 10 spots or so.
That's we seem to see - but remember when McNabb was drafted? There were several possible QBs that could go high in Round 1, yet the Eagles picked out possibly the best one (rather than going the Akili Smith route).We may think that the handful of OTs and WRs are interchangeable, but I sincerely doubt that the Philly FO agrees with that assessment.
The Eagles have been fluid in the draft. They traded up aggressively twice...once it worked (Andrews), once it didn't (McDougle). Let's look at the Birds early round picks under Reid:1999 -- QB, LB, OG

2000 -- DT, WR, OT

2001 -- WR, LB, DE

2002 -- CB, S, CB, RB

2003 -- DE, TE, WR

2004 -- OT, S

2005 -- DT, WR, LB, RB

2006 -- DT, OT, LB

2007 -- QB, DE, LB, RB

So sorted by the numbers:

LB (5)
WR (4)
OT (3)
RB (3)
DE (3)
DT (3)
QB (2)
S (2)
CB (2)
OG (1)
TE (1)
FB (0)
C (0)
PK (0)
P (0)The Birds really do draft BPA in the early rounds; moreso than a lot of teams. Now that's as much a byproduct of the team rarely picking high, as well.

 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
That would be a MATERIAL falloff from our current offensive line. And tackle isn't one of those positions you can ever have too much talent. Andrews has battled injuries and, at 380 pounds, I highly doubt he'll maintain his All Pro status for 16 games a season. Jackson is solid but very much middle of the road relative to the league's average center. And while Jean-Gilles showed promise last year, the guy is enormous (in a bad way) and may not be suited to start; at least alongside an inexperienced tackle.
 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
Sucks might be too strong a word...but that left side would definately have me a little nervous...and you'd still be looking at rookies or bargain basement FA's behind them.Sorry...they need to get another OT to develop now.
As I said, that would be the absolute worst case. Not disagreeing that a OT would be wise to add this draft, just not with a 1st that would require a trade up. Unless Justice is already judged to be a bust.
 
One thing the Eagles brass seems to know how to do is evaluate OL, so if they see something in one of these two guys, it's good enough for me. Of course I also don't see it as a slam dunk that either one of these guys drop to 19. Baltimore, Chicago, Carolina, KC, St Louis, among others can certainly use help at the position. Plus a team like Pitt could move up as well.

 
I think KC would like to trade down for more picks. Maybe Jake Long is there and they move up? I really think they need more "Skill" players on offense though.
I agree but no way should they go skill in the 1st rd, doesn't look like anyone warrants that. Runyan is no way coming back next year as this is his final year. There going OL - would like the kid from Viginia to fall down to them and move Andrews to OT. Looks like Otah and Williams wont make it to 19
 
Someone can move up and take the last guy in your tier if you stay where your at. Possibly why there may be interested in moving up.

If I'm Jerry Angelo, I'd take 1.19 and Kolb or a 2nd for 1.14.

 
I think the point is that they are infatuated with two particular OTs.
Yeah.I don't think fans realize that teams have a lot more data than we do, and fall in, or out, of love with prospects. There will be a couple top-rated tackles when the Eagles pick, but what if they only rank 3 of them as 1st rounders? You often see fans of this team or that team, speculating they can trade down and take whoever is left at a certain position. I don't think teams operate in such a vague manner. I think they target players, and if they are looking at an OT, they have guys they like, and guys they don't. There are a bunch of WRs grouped together, and the same at 2nd tier RB. But you can bet each team will know exactly who they like, and who they don't.If the Eagles don't like Gosder Cherilus, then staying put and taking him because he's the best guy left isn't very bright. I don't think they are that dumb.
 
Take this FWIW:I'm hearing that the Eagles are wanting to go OT in the first round, and have their eyes on either Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) or Chris Williams of Vanderbilt.Now some mocks / experts have one of the two still being there at #19, but the Eagles are feeling that they really want to lock up one of the two and are willing to make a deal to guarantee one of them.The twist is that they need to find a suitable trade partner. It's a good question as to whom that would be.If they don't make a move, they likely will take a WR in the first round (unless Otah or Williams falls). Several of the top WRs have already been to Philly for a visit, so this isn't a surprise.So the question is - who do they trade with, and what's the price?
I would love for the Bills to trade down.
Ditto. They can still get almost any WR at 19 as well.
Yes, I'm piecing this together as well. I like this move for both if that's their end goal(s).Philly: No Lito, and OT of desireBuffalo: WR #1 and Lito
As a Bills fan, this would please me greatly. Although, I'm not sure how excited the Bills would be to trade for another Eagle that isn't happy about his contract.
 
I for one have no interest in trading Lito and our 1st for Otah or Williams. We are gonna see 2-4 corners go in this first round and the teams that take them are gonna have to pray that they go to a pro bowl. I do not want to trade Lito just for the sake of trading him. In todays NFL I believe teams will be playing more and more nickel packages so I would be just as happy to have the 3 corners Philly does and roll with that.

Now that being said, if the Chargers came to the Eagles and offered their 1st for Lito and a 3rd, I would absolutely listen to that.

 
If true, does this mean they have already decided Justice is a bust?
First of all, this is merely a rumor. Second, the team is always looking to improve. Tra and Runyan are near the end of their "effective" playing careers and the Eagles have tried to plan for that for quite awhile. Andrews was drafted as a RT, but it would be tough to see him replicate his All Pro status outside. When you have a dominant player at a position, you no doubt think long and hard before moving him. Herremans also played guard and tackle in college, but clearly is set at guard. You never pass up on a tackle if you honestly think they can be a long-time starter.If the season started today, Justice would be our third tackle. Stefan Rodgers would be our 4th tackle...and that's just not going to cut it.The most likely scenario, if the Eagles take an OT early, would be to keep:Tra ThomasTodd HerremansJamaal JacksonShawn AndrewsJon RunyanMax Jean-GillesROOKIEScott Young OR Nick Cole
Justice down? I'm not willing to give up on him after one bad game. He's certainly not getting cut this offseason.
 
I think the point is that they are infatuated with two particular OTs.
Yeah.I don't think fans realize that teams have a lot more data than we do, and fall in, or out, of love with prospects. There will be a couple top-rated tackles when the Eagles pick, but what if they only rank 3 of them as 1st rounders? You often see fans of this team or that team, speculating they can trade down and take whoever is left at a certain position. I don't think teams operate in such a vague manner. I think they target players, and if they are looking at an OT, they have guys they like, and guys they don't. There are a bunch of WRs grouped together, and the same at 2nd tier RB. But you can bet each team will know exactly who they like, and who they don't.If the Eagles don't like Gosder Cherilus, then staying put and taking him because he's the best guy left isn't very bright. I don't think they are that dumb.
Pretty much agree. One thing that everyone seems to forget this time of year is that teams will fall in love with certain players and take them "way too early" or move up to get "their guy" when there seems no reason at all to do so. Look at all the garbage people threw at Mia last year for taking Ginn as example #1. We as outsiders my not see a drastic difference in a few prospects, but these teams interview these guys extensively. It really could come down to a few comments here or there that really soured a team on one guy and infatuated them with another.
 
delusional said:
1st and lito is too much i think
How much do you value Lito? It doesnt seem like other teams are breaking the Eagles door down to get him.Personally, I like Lito. I think the Pats should trade #62 or #69 for him.Lito is pissed off about his contract and wont take to being the "3rd wheel" at CB so well. Teams tend to get rid of their malcontents these days.If you think Lito should garner a 2nd round pick, keep in mind that 2nd round picks are usually good players that come dirt cheap. Lito makes much more than a 2nd round pick would make and wants a big raise. That plays into the trading aspect.
 
delusional said:
1st and lito is too much i think
How much do you value Lito? It doesnt seem like other teams are breaking the Eagles door down to get him.Personally, I like Lito. I think the Pats should trade #62 or #69 for him.Lito is pissed off about his contract and wont take to being the "3rd wheel" at CB so well. Teams tend to get rid of their malcontents these days.If you think Lito should garner a 2nd round pick, keep in mind that 2nd round picks are usually good players that come dirt cheap. Lito makes much more than a 2nd round pick would make and wants a big raise. That plays into the trading aspect.
I have read that the Eagles have numerous offers for Lito.
 
delusional said:
1st and lito is too much i think
How much do you value Lito? It doesnt seem like other teams are breaking the Eagles door down to get him.Personally, I like Lito. I think the Pats should trade #62 or #69 for him.Lito is pissed off about his contract and wont take to being the "3rd wheel" at CB so well. Teams tend to get rid of their malcontents these days.If you think Lito should garner a 2nd round pick, keep in mind that 2nd round picks are usually good players that come dirt cheap. Lito makes much more than a 2nd round pick would make and wants a big raise. That plays into the trading aspect.
I have read that the Eagles have numerous offers for Lito.
6 "substantial" ones from what I hear.
 
Not sure whwy they would trade up for an OT, there will be a couple ready for them at 19 IMO, and very good ones.Including Chris Williams and Gosder Cherilus if they want to "push" an OT onto their roster.Carolina would be a good partner, the Panthers are going to go D' IMO, and Dan Conner should still be around at 19.
LB isn't a 1st round need for Carolina.
 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.

 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.
That's the same guy essentially backing up 4 of the 5 line spots....there needs to be another body in there somewhere.
 
Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?
Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.
How does any Eagles fan not think theyre going OL in the 1st rd? There's a huge hole at both tackle spots on the horizon.
 

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