Eagles Trading Up? (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?

Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.

How does any Eagles fan not think theyre going OL in the 1st rd? There's a huge hole at both tackle spots on the horizon.

Were it only that easy. The Eagles won't disregard their draft board to draft need, that's not Reid's belief. I think clearly they will take an OT IF there is one atop their draft board when they're on the clock, but that's hardly a foregone conclusion.

 

[T Man]

If Jake Long is picked at 1 (or even 2), I think there will be a run on OL. THe DBs will slip in the round (as they generally do) and the WRs are not worthy of top 15 picks.

If there is a run on the OL, and Philly wants one, they will have to make a move. They probably have several teams involved and will wait to see where the OL they want drop. But the Bills and Saints make the most sense.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I read this article on PFT and it seemed to re-enforce Jeff's source here:

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[Spike]

Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?

Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.

I think there's no way Albert falls to 19. Not from the buzz that's been increasing.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?

Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.

I think there's no way Albert falls to 19. Not from the buzz that's been increasing.

Albert seems a long shot to fall to 19, but I'm still not sure I buy that there won't be a tackle or two at 1.19 IF Albert has moved up in the mix.OT Jake Long

OT/OG Branden Albert

OT Ryan Clady

OT Chris Williams

OT Jeff Otah

Will all five of those guys come off the board before 1.19? If they did, I think there are a number of players the Eagles would be thrilled to draft at other positions.

 

[ookook]

I think the most relevant question is what kind of OT would be there at their second round pick.

Apparently, they think not much.

I suspect I disagree.

No way I would trade up, being content to take whichever of OT or WR is BPA at that point, then re-evaluate in the 2nd.

-OOK!

 

[JAA]

I still think the Bills are a great trade partner

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have a feeling the Birds will not be trading up with their #1 but more then likely with their 2nd round pick. I think there is going to be quite a bit of value at the top of the 2nd and thats where I believe they are really targeting some players.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Jason, what team's 4th OT would "cut it"? That's why I am asking if Justice is a bust. If he't not, why move up in the 1st round to draft his position? I've said this before elsewhere. This is the absolute worst case for OTs on the Eagles next year: Say they don't get any servicable OT in this draft at all and neither Thomas nor Runyan return in 2009.

Justice at LT

Gilles at LG

Jackson at C

Andrews/Herremanns at RG

Andrews/Herremanns at RT

That sucks? No, it really doesn't. Unless Justice is already a bust, why break the bank for Williams or Otah?

Justice is going to wind up at RT not LT. The Eagles still need a LT to replace Tra Thomas. Gilles is decent, but they like him as valuable depth. Max can play either LG or RG, and play it well.I think the Eagles want either Chris Williams or Branden Albert. I think there is a very good chance that Albert falls to 19. If he does this would be the Oline after Thomas and Runyan are gone:

LT Branden Albert - Backup LT Todd Herremans

LG Todd Herremans - Backup LG Max Jean-Gilles

C Jamaal Jackson - Backup C Nick Cole

RG Shawn Andrews - Backup RG Max Jean-Gilles

RT Winston Justice - Backup RT Shawn Andrews

Then they would have Max Jean-Gilles backup both guard spots, Todd Herremans backup LT, and Shawn Andrews backup RT.

I think there's no way Albert falls to 19. Not from the buzz that's been increasing.

How the heck did this guy skyrocket up the charts (top 10 pick possibly) when we thought he would be at 19 for the Birds as recently as last week way after the combines?

 

[Pat Patriot]

I have a feeling the Birds will not be trading up with their #1 but more then likely with their 2nd round pick. I think there is going to be quite a bit of value at the top of the 2nd and thats where I believe they are really targeting some players.

How do they get there?

 

[msommer]

The Eagles have been fluid in the draft. They traded up aggressively twice...once it worked (Andrews), once it didn't (McDougle). Let's look at the Birds early round picks under Reid:1999 -- QB, LB, OG2000 -- DT, WR, OT2001 -- WR, LB, DE2002 -- CB, S, CB, RB2003 -- DE, TE, WR2004 -- OT, S2005 -- DT, WR, LB, RB2006 -- DT, OT, LB2007 -- QB, DE, LB, RBThe Birds really do draft BPA in the early rounds; moreso than a lot of teams. Now that's as much a byproduct of the team rarely picking high, as well.

Assigning values to the order in which you have them 1-3 (the late RB picks also 3) and sorting positions ascending by total points divided by instances secondarily descending by instances this order comes out for the last 9 drafts as seen above (points, occurrences, value per occurrence)

DT		3	3	1QB		2	2	1WR		8	4	2DE		6	3	2OT		6	3	2CB		4	2	2S		4	2	2TE		2	1	2LB		13	5	2.6RB		9	3	3OG		3	1	3

I don't think that means that they are less likely to draft a RB or a OG - even though they traditionally have picked them late. What we can see is that they have invested early picks in DT, QB more frequently than any other position. That they do not mind picking WRs early (even if normally as the 2nd pick), and the same can be said about four other positions. They have been succesful by picking LB and RB late - although in reality they got a gem in Westbrook that they will have to repplace so that also plays a role.I'm not sure I know enough about the team to make more useful analysis of above data if indeed it is actually worth anything...

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have a feeling the Birds will not be trading up with their #1 but more then likely with their 2nd round pick. I think there is going to be quite a bit of value at the top of the 2nd and thats where I believe they are really targeting some players.

How do they get there?

I think if you see a couple of the top WR's available drop into the 2nd round you will see the Birds package their 2nd, their 4th and maybe one of their many 6ths to get up into the top 5 picks of the 2nd round.