Early game recaps, lots of bad info and dumb questions (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

New England at Buffalo

-Everyone was ready to write off Buffalo but low and behold they have beaten Oak (2-1), and NE (2-1), both those teams have lost 1 game to the same opponent.

-NE passing the ball a lot and doing well but eventually they have got to establish a running game. With no 2nd TE, no real threat on the outside they became 1 dimensional but 4 Ints from Brady is not something most teams should bank on either.

Jax at Car

-DWill is on life support right now. Can you cut him? How often does he have to throw up 10/20 on the ground? He's not a big part of the passing game either.

-MJD looks solid even though he is not scoring a lot of TDs. 160+ total yds today.

San Fran at Cinci

-Bernard Scott had 2 carries. You might think if he was starting next week they would want to work him in more. It's hard for me to believe that he will get 20 carries next week, I'm betting it's a pretty even split between him and Brian Leonard the 3rd down back. Am I off here?

-San Fran can't throw the ball down the field, they can't run the ball either. Cinci allowed Denver to run it right up their gut the week b4 so I am a little surprised that SF could not get the ground game going today. People are talking up Kendall Hunter but why? He had a TD but he was 9/25 on the ground, not exactly stellar.

-Andre Caldwell? 6/53...

Miami at Cleveland

-How does Miami lose to a team that didn't have their primary weapon in Hillis? What did you really think of Montario Hardesty?

-Miami is on the road @San Diego next week, that's 0-4 to start the season...is there any reason they should try and win the rest of the way? They need a new QB and a new HC because they settled for 4 FG attempts again and Henne cannot finish drives plus when the game was still in doubt he was 0 for 4 with an Interception after going something like 19/25.

Detroit at Minnesota

-If you are winning and ahead how do you only have ADP with 17 carries at the end of the game? Detroit was getting run on early and often and then they went away form it to do what? Put the ball in McNabb's hands?

-Percy Harvin killing you? The Vikes are kind of a wasteland after ADP.

-Jahvid Best 12/14 on the ground, good thing he is a dual threat.

Houston at New Orleans

-Did Schaub throw the game away? They are ahead 26-17, New Orleans was not smooth on offense and then after a fast start in the game where he racked up 250+ early he started to slide the rest of the way. 22 of 39 is not very accurate despite the large chunks of yards.

-The Saints don't look that good to me but they are winning. Chicago was abysmal on offense last week but I'm not sure New Orleans with this team and overall effort is able to beat a lot of the better teams ala GB in week 1.

-At some point the Saints have got to stop the rotation of backs and stick with a guy for a couple drives and commit to running the football otherwise this isn't going to work when they get to the playoffs.

NY Giants at Philly

-Maybe the worst OL for pass protection right now? They are going to get Vick killed. Why is Vick not making plays to his WRs? He has at least 3 good ones in Maclin, DeSean, Avant, and then Smith in the wings. They need to get Celek off that line and let him do his thing carving up the middle of the field.

-Despite 110 to Cruz and some big plays and 4 TDs, Eli still finishes with about 250 and overall I'm not sure he is any better than he was last week. What do you think?

-How often will Jacobs and Bradshaw have receiving TDs? They combined 22/105 on the ground.

Denver at Tennessee

-Chris Johnson is the victim of one of the poorest interior OL in the NFL. The LG-C-RG all are terrible so my question is why don't the Titans just get him the ball in the shotgun formation where can run towards the perimeters and take off?

Eric Decker 7/48, B.Lloyd 4/38...Is Fox incapable of throwing the ball down the field or is it because he has Kyle Orton at QB?

NY Jets at Oakland

-How often will Greene have 7/47 in the box score? LT had 154 yds on 11 touches and a Touchdown. Why did the Jets lose with their RBs doing so well?

-Post whatever you like about DMC, clearly he is close to being at the top of the pyramid. He is dangerous no matter if he runs it up the middle or Off Tackle.

-Denarius Moore had a nice little game for a rookie com in out of nowhere. i know the locals were on his tip early but he could have been quiet today and instead he made his presence felt.

-Is Oakland a dark horse for the playoffs? If no, why not?

Kansas City at San Diego

-How awesome was Ryan Mathews today? 25 touches, 149 yds, 2 TDs...he really was showing what he can do today. Tolbert only had about 7-8 touches.

-Dwayne Bowe was being looked at with a stethoscope on the sidelines, not sure I often see that done.

-How many games will KC really win?

Baltimore at St Louis

-The Rams are going backwards from last year. They need some real weapons for Bradford and it's a crime they didn't go get him some.

-The Ravens found that WR to stretch the field, holy bat wow did they ever. Lee who?

-Will Baltimore keep this going or do they fall back again next week like they did against Tennessee?

Green Bay at Chicago

-Memo to the Bears, you have no WRs and you like to throw the ball a lot. You can't open any holes for Forte who was 9/7 in the game or something ridiculous. We know Forte has talent, maybe you should line him up at WR and let someone else take handoffs.

-Bump Finley

-Ryan Grant 17/92, Starks 11/5...it's over Gran is the lead dog the rest of the season I don't want anyone to bust a nut, j/k. It is something to discuss.

Arizona at Seattle

-How many Touchdowns did the entire NFC West score today including Seattle, AZ, St Louis, and San Fran? How many TDs did Baltimore score in the 1st Q today? These teams are the stink and the NFL is going to need one more realignment. 10 years of this is unfair for the fans.

Atlanta at Tampa Bay

-Matty Ryan has no OL. he is torn to bits every week and yet he throws for 300+ yds, 375 today. Atlanta is not very good. They are a Michael Vick concussion from being 0-3 right now. I don't think they make the playoffs this year.

-The Bucs were going to go 6-10 this year...2-1 to start, look like they did last year. Is Earnest Graham a must have in PPR leagues? He has 20 receptions already and is on pace for 100!!!

What did you see? What do you think folks will overlook?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Don't everyone chime in at once.

 

[hoopvillian]

I went to the Chargers/KC game. Bolts didn't even look like they were trying and they won. KC went 3 and out every drive until sometime during the 3rd quarter... You're not going to win like that.

Other than that I don't have anything to add except a thanks for the recap.

 

[10tihwj]

Kansas City at San Diego-How awesome was Ryan Mathews today? 25 touches, 149 yds, 2 TDs...he really was showing what he can do today. Tolbert only had about 7-8 touches.

Probably a trend that is going to continue. Tolbert's fumbles last week and general ineffectiveness post-injury/tweak should let Matthews take keep the significant majority of touches away from Tolbert.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

1. Buffalo looks for real. Patriots aren't this invincible team that everone makes them out to be. Incredibly talented and prolific scoring machine, yes. Unbeatable, no.

2. DWill Carolina is indeed droppable. Unless it comes out that he's secretly dinged and playing through injury, you can't afford to roster a scrub like him. Jonathon Stewart >>> DWill. Stick a hot fork in DWill.

3. Miami doesn't need Reggie Bush. He's really not anything to do with that offense. He's another scrub that can't make plays and avoids contact.

4. Vikings should be 3-0 if it weren't for their idiot coaching staff that abandons the highly effective Adrian Peterson running game for a washed up, old, has been Donovan McNabb. It's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and insisting on racing with a Chevy Nova.

5. Jets/Oakland. Playoffs?!!? Playoffs?!?!? Sure, why not. The Raiders have an unstoppable running game, and are just now maturing in their defense. The kicker is Jason Campbell's maturation as a QB. So many weapons on this team. Even the kicker is a weapon.

6. Atlanta/TB. Great game. Gotta hand it to the Bucs. They outphysicalled the Falcons, and really beat them up in the 4th Qtr. They had a close lead and knew how to step on their throats. Freeman looks a little sloppy, but he's making the right choices and being a leader. The young defense played well today and harrassed poor Matt Ryan. I agree that Ryan is looking like lunch meat. He won't last the season if the line continues to be a turnstile.

Thats all I got MOP. Thanks for your writeup.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

1. Buffalo looks for real. Patriots aren't this invincible team that everone makes them out to be. Incredibly talented and prolific scoring machine, yes. Unbeatable, no.2. DWill Carolina is indeed droppable. Unless it comes out that he's secretly dinged and playing through injury, you can't afford to roster a scrub like him. Jonathon Stewart >>> DWill. Stick a hot fork in DWill.3. Miami doesn't need Reggie Bush. He's really not anything to do with that offense. He's another scrub that can't make plays and avoids contact.4. Vikings should be 3-0 if it weren't for their idiot coaching staff that abandons the highly effective Adrian Peterson running game for a washed up, old, has been Donovan McNabb. It's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and insisting on racing with a Chevy Nova.5. Jets/Oakland. Playoffs?!!? Playoffs?!?!? Sure, why not. The Raiders have an unstoppable running game, and are just now maturing in their defense. The kicker is Jason Campbell's maturation as a QB. So many weapons on this team. Even the kicker is a weapon.6. Atlanta/TB. Great game. Gotta hand it to the Bucs. They outphysicalled the Falcons, and really beat them up in the 4th Qtr. They had a close lead and knew how to step on their throats. Freeman looks a little sloppy, but he's making the right choices and being a leader. The young defense played well today and harrassed poor Matt Ryan. I agree that Ryan is looking like lunch meat. He won't last the season if the line continues to be a turnstile.Thats all I got MOP. Thanks for your writeup.

Very nice.Atlanta had 2 WRs with over 100 yds, Ryan 375...game was only 16-13, not sure how often that happens and how often the Bucs win that type of game. Aquib Talib is go ingot be suspended by the way, he was named from the AP as one of 8 players who will now face behavior suspensions...maybe 4 games, could be bad for TB.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

#25 for Atlanta should get a stiff fine and maybe he needs to sit down one game. That was BS what he did to Freeman and now I believe Coach Mike when he says that he teaches his players to hit like that. Maybe he needs a phone call form Mr Goodell.

i like big hits but it needs to be ruled and patrolled the same for everyone.

 

[Tango]

New England at Buffalo

-NE passing the ball a lot and doing well but eventually they have got to establish a running game. With no 2nd TE, no real threat on the outside they became 1 dimensional but 4 Ints from Brady is not something most teams should bank on either.

Yes, im usrprised they havent decided to run it down somebody's throat yet. I'd expect them to try sooner or later and really p.o. brady owners for a weekthe sharkish implication of this game to me is that Ocho clearly isnt ready and Taylor Price may finally be a buy before he busts out sometime in October.

Jax at Car

-DWill is on life support right now. Can you cut him? How often does he have to throw up 10/20 on the ground? He's not a big part of the passing game either.

-MJD looks solid even though he is not scoring a lot of TDs. 160+ total yds today.

Yes, DWill looks sloooooooow. Stewart, meanwhile, looked quick and had a long reception of an amazing catch-twist-and-run suspiciously called backed. MJD fine and dandy. Start with confidence.

San Fran at Cinci

-Bernard Scott had 2 carries. You might think if he was starting next week they would want to work him in more. It's hard for me to believe that he will get 20 carries next week, I'm betting it's a pretty even split between him and Brian Leonard the 3rd down back. Am I off here?

ugly. reminded me of the 6-3 Buffalo win over the Giants in 1987 during the strike Yes, Bernard Scott was one of the first darlings of Hard Knocks that has fooled owners for years. No sign of an emergence from today

Detroit at Minnesota

-If you are winning and ahead how do you only have ADP with 17 carries at the end of the game? Detroit was getting run on early and often and then they went away form it to do what? Put the ball in McNabb's hands?

-Percy Harvin killing you? The Vikes are kind of a wasteland after ADP.

-Jahvid Best 12/14 on the ground, good thing he is a dual threat.

Dunno, Vikes offense looked diverse and effective in first half w/ Michael Jenkins looking surprisingly decent. Then they disappeared into a suffocating DET defensive abyss.

Houston at New Orleans

-Did Schaub throw the game away? They are ahead 26-17, New Orleans was not smooth on offense and then after a fast start in the game where he racked up 250+ early he started to slide the rest of the way. 22 of 39 is not very accurate despite the large chunks of yards.

-The Saints don't look that good to me but they are winning.

Fantasy players are happy with Brees. Being in comeback-mode and talent led to a great fantasy performance. Saints fans should be worried; his consistency isnt there and that may catch up to fantasy owners sooner or later. Schaub didnt have the running game he's been used to. Slaton (the only guy I know who used to be faster walking then he currently is when he runs) was lined up back there while Tate was dinged. I wasnt watching closely, but didnt Schaub hurt his head at some point?

NY Giants at Philly

-Maybe the worst OL for pass protection right now? They are going to get Vick killed. Why is Vick not making plays to his WRs? He has at least 3 good ones in Maclin, DeSean, Avant, and then Smith in the wings. They need to get Celek off that line and let him do his thing carving up the middle of the field.

I have yet to see a true bomb thrown to DJAX. Big. Problem.

Denver at Tennessee

-Chris Johnson is the victim of one of the poorest interior OL in the NFL. The LG-C-RG all are terrible so my question is why don't the Titans just get him the ball in the shotgun formation where can run towards the perimeters and take off?

CJ had a 25 yd TD taken away from him via poor flip-pass by Hass. Also, wtf is up with Ringer getting all those draws and losing 2 yds every time?stop there for now

 

[Ministry of Pain]

nice job Tango

 

[Black]

New England at Buffalo

[*]NE needs to spend on a WR and needs to see what they have in their Rookie RBs.

[*]Chan has BUF playing like he did KC/Thigpen a few years back. Don't know how long it can last, but it's fun to watch. Fred Jackson's play makes me think they can keep it up if they stay healthy.

Jax at Car

[*]Shocking to me that they won't use DWill more. You aren't winning (today's Monsoon bowl doesn't count). This coaching staff was in place when they paid him, right?

[*]Best stat for MJD (and maybe Jax) today was 3 catches. Gotta get MJD the ball in space and give him a chance for some big plays. Glad he's holding up to 20+ carries.

San Fran at Cinci

[*]Gore hurt possibly; maybe Kendall gives them some big play ability? Gore reminds me of Shawn Alexander after he got paid.

[*]SF needs to throw the ball to Vernon Davis 10+ times a game.

[*]Cinci is still so schitzo, but Dalton looks pretty tough.

Miami at Cleveland

[*]Looks like Joe Hayden is a pretty good CB.

[*]Henne has a hard time hitting even Marshall's frame.

[*]Montario Hardesty looked ok, looks faster than Hillis, not as powerful though.

Detroit at Minnesota

[*]When I hear MIN has blown their lead and doesn't feed ADP even when up and he's effective, I keep expecting to see Chilly on the sidelines.

[*]We all new better than to draft parts of the MIN pass game the minute they signed McNabb.

[*]Where was Jahvid Best? Saw him on one series in the 4th quarter, and he rips a 60 yard screen. Then more Keiland and Jerome.

Houston at New Orleans

[*]Get ahead, and run the ball. You can't force feed Andre.

[*]The Saints don't seem to have an identity. Weird, b/c every time they use Sproles, he scores. THAT'S their identity. And yeah, agree they need to let Ingram bang away and try to control the game a bit.

NY Giants at Philly

[*]Cruz's first TD was blown coverage and blown tackle.

[*]Eli's big plays always look desperate. He doesn't look in control.

[*]NYG need to run the ball more...it seems to be working, just turn around and hand it off.

Denver at Tennessee

[*]Yes, use CJ in the screen game or whatever it takes to get him the ball in space. Do something.

[*]You knew it couldn't last with Britt, right?

[*]Q: Eric Decker 7/48, B.Lloyd 4/38...Is Fox incapable of throwing the ball down the field or is it because he has Kyle Orton at QB?

A: Kyle Orton at QB

NY Jets at Oakland

[*]The NYJ RBs looked pretty good today.

[*]I see what Matt Waldman means about DMC. He sort of runs in curves, but is so fast, he doesn't NEED to put his foot in the ground and cut. He just rounds the corner and is so smooth and fast, just runs by you. His long TD run was really interesting to watch.

[*]DMC had some groin trouble at the end of the game today, BTW. But that's the knock on him, right? DMC owners got Mi Bush, right?

[*]OAK loses part of their O-line and don't seem to improve at positions like QB. Somehow they look strong with their nasty DEF, great run game; and overall speed. Those things travel well.

Kansas City at San Diego

[*]I think Mathews got the money carries b/c Tolbert's ankle is still tender. He did look good though.

[*]SD always plays down to their opponents. What happened to 50-0? I guess credit KC for not being total doormats.

[*]As a Dwayne Bowe owner, was glad Cassel just tried throwing his way, esp with his dismal history against SD.

[*]Q: How many games will KC really win?

A: They might win 2.

Baltimore at St Louis

[*]Why, with a MASH unit at WR last year, did STL not try to improve with youth? And for your perennially hurt franchise RB, you take a 30 year old RB with his knees wired together, and back HIM up with Jerious Norwood?

[*]Flacco overthrows Torrey and he just eats up 10 yards of field in a matter of steps and gets under that second TD. 'Lee who' indeed. I noticed they tried some balls to Doss later in the game.

[*]BAL can compete, but will go as Flacco goes. Even RRice needs Flacco's help.

Green Bay at Chicago

[*]CHI: pony up for a real WR. Not sure WTH you thought you saw in Roy that the Cowboys didn't see. Fool me once...

[*]Bump, bump, bump Finley

[*]I am not sure why GB tried so hard to make him the man today. Ryan Grant is getting his Tony Roma's checked out, so don't be so quick to crown his ### king of the GB backfield.

[*]Urlacher's INT: "Maybe he will try to force it to Finley again..."

Arizona at Seattle

[*]Kolb: throw it up for Fitz. No, don't look to see if he's open, just know HE'S OPEN.

[*]Beanie is hurt. <sigh> In other news, water is wet.

[*]Kolb and ARI were better with the threat of a running game.

Atlanta at Tampa Bay

[*]Still don't know what to make of ATL, but they are not INDY and can't 'just' pay skill players. Ryan can't command the field like Peyton.

[*]Not sure about TB either...Freeman is a good NFL QB, but they need another deep threat.

[*]Quiz looks very oompa-ish.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Very nice Black, ty

 

[Irish Chaos]

New England at Buffalo

-NE passing the ball a lot and doing well but eventually they have got to establish a running game. With no 2nd TE, no real threat on the outside they became 1 dimensional but 4 Ints from Brady is not something most teams should bank on either.

Yes, im usrprised they havent decided to run it down somebody's throat yet. I'd expect them to try sooner or later and really p.o. brady owners for a weekthe sharkish implication of this game to me is that Ocho clearly isnt ready and Taylor Price may finally be a buy before he busts out sometime in October.

Jax at Car

-DWill is on life support right now. Can you cut him? How often does he have to throw up 10/20 on the ground? He's not a big part of the passing game either.

-MJD looks solid even though he is not scoring a lot of TDs. 160+ total yds today.

Yes, DWill looks sloooooooow. Stewart, meanwhile, looked quick and had a long reception of an amazing catch-twist-and-run suspiciously called backed. MJD fine and dandy. Start with confidence.

San Fran at Cinci

-Bernard Scott had 2 carries. You might think if he was starting next week they would want to work him in more. It's hard for me to believe that he will get 20 carries next week, I'm betting it's a pretty even split between him and Brian Leonard the 3rd down back. Am I off here?

ugly. reminded me of the 6-3 Buffalo win over the Giants in 1987 during the strike Yes, Bernard Scott was one of the first darlings of Hard Knocks that has fooled owners for years. No sign of an emergence from today

Detroit at Minnesota

-If you are winning and ahead how do you only have ADP with 17 carries at the end of the game? Detroit was getting run on early and often and then they went away form it to do what? Put the ball in McNabb's hands?

-Percy Harvin killing you? The Vikes are kind of a wasteland after ADP.

-Jahvid Best 12/14 on the ground, good thing he is a dual threat.

Dunno, Vikes offense looked diverse and effective in first half w/ Michael Jenkins looking surprisingly decent. Then they disappeared into a suffocating DET defensive abyss.

Houston at New Orleans

-Did Schaub throw the game away? They are ahead 26-17, New Orleans was not smooth on offense and then after a fast start in the game where he racked up 250+ early he started to slide the rest of the way. 22 of 39 is not very accurate despite the large chunks of yards.

-The Saints don't look that good to me but they are winning.

Fantasy players are happy with Brees. Being in comeback-mode and talent led to a great fantasy performance. Saints fans should be worried; his consistency isnt there and that may catch up to fantasy owners sooner or later. Schaub didnt have the running game he's been used to. Slaton (the only guy I know who used to be faster walking then he currently is when he runs) was lined up back there while Tate was dinged. I wasnt watching closely, but didnt Schaub hurt his head at some point?

NY Giants at Philly

-Maybe the worst OL for pass protection right now? They are going to get Vick killed. Why is Vick not making plays to his WRs? He has at least 3 good ones in Maclin, DeSean, Avant, and then Smith in the wings. They need to get Celek off that line and let him do his thing carving up the middle of the field.

I have yet to see a true bomb thrown to DJAX. Big. Problem.

Denver at Tennessee

-Chris Johnson is the victim of one of the poorest interior OL in the NFL. The LG-C-RG all are terrible so my question is why don't the Titans just get him the ball in the shotgun formation where can run towards the perimeters and take off?

CJ had a 25 yd TD taken away from him via poor flip-pass by Hass. Also, wtf is up with Ringer getting all those draws and losing 2 yds every time?stop there for now

whats this about a cj td taken away? didnt see the highlights at all or even hear mention of it?

 

[Tango]

whats this about a cj td taken away? didnt see the highlights at all or even hear mention of it?

Flip pass by hass while scrambling to CJ was highly inaccurate. CJ was open and had no one behind him and would have had an easy score. Those playing against CJ (like me) knew we had dodged a bullet.TEN seemed to make an effort to get the ball to him via the air. He got most of his yards today lined up as a wide out.

 

[eaglesfan7]

whats this about a cj td taken away? didnt see the highlights at all or even hear mention of it?

Flip pass by hass while scrambling to CJ was highly inaccurate. CJ was open and had no one behind him and would have had an easy score. Those playing against CJ (like me) knew we had dodged a bullet.TEN seemed to make an effort to get the ball to him via the air. He got most of his yards today lined up as a wide out.

So somebody just made it up that CJ had a td taken away? Nice...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

whats this about a cj td taken away? didnt see the highlights at all or even hear mention of it?

Flip pass by hass while scrambling to CJ was highly inaccurate. CJ was open and had no one behind him and would have had an easy score. Those playing against CJ (like me) knew we had dodged a bullet.TEN seemed to make an effort to get the ball to him via the air. He got most of his yards today lined up as a wide out.

So somebody just made it up that CJ had a td taken away? Nice...

I think he is saying that if you just read a stat line or a drive chart you are not getting the whole story and I can relate. I thin it's a good point and something I didn't know about.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Yeah, there is about 30 to 40 of those plays every Sunday. A receiver or back is underthrown or overthrown what could have or should have been touchdowns. They don't count.

 

[Irish Chaos]

yeah thanks you for the headsup, i had redzone going so i missed it and didnt have the game thread open.

 

[cvnpoka]

hardsty looked fine. a great start if he is the lead back. he is no hillis, not even close.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Yeah, there is about 30 to 40 of those plays every Sunday. A receiver or back is underthrown or overthrown what could have or should have been touchdowns. They don't count.

I understand but its good info because you can use it to your advantage. I guess if you don't see that so be it but I think the majority of people are interested in plays where their guy doesn't quite make a score as it means at least they are in the game plan or they are getting red zone touches/targets, that stuff ads up after a while. Good luck

 

[griff321]

4. Vikings should be 3-0 if it weren't for their idiot coaching staff that abandons the highly effective Adrian Peterson running game for a washed up, old, has been Donovan McNabb. It's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and insisting on racing with a Chevy Nova.

Without a doubt that was a terrible call on the 4th and 1 not to run AD, but you're missing so much if all you can do is be mad at the coaches. The real problem is McNabb is a terrible second half QB and he has been for a few years now. How do you get AD going when McNabb can't hit wide open guys 5 yards down the field. The long strings of three and outs in the second half is killing this team and a lot of that can be attributed to a lack of execution by McNabb. People complain about predictable play calling as well, but in this league you have to be able to complete a predictable short pass now and then. One thing I've learned about the game as a whole from this nightmare season is QB accuracy is so critical and it can't be stated enough. Ponder will be seeing the field sooner than later.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

4. Vikings should be 3-0 if it weren't for their idiot coaching staff that abandons the highly effective Adrian Peterson running game for a washed up, old, has been Donovan McNabb. It's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and insisting on racing with a Chevy Nova.

Without a doubt that was a terrible call on the 4th and 1 not to run AD, but you're missing so much if all you can do is be mad at the coaches. The real problem is McNabb is a terrible second half QB and he has been for a few years now. How do you get AD going when McNabb can't hit wide open guys 5 yards down the field. The long strings of three and outs in the second half is killing this team and a lot of that can be attributed to a lack of execution by McNabb. People complain about predictable play calling as well, but in this league you have to be able to complete a predictable short pass now and then. One thing I've learned about the game as a whole from this nightmare season is QB accuracy is so critical and it can't be stated enough. Ponder will be seeing the field sooner than later.

Agree with you but how do you pay Peterson $100m and then not give him the ball on 4th and 1? It's criminal!!!

 

[griff321]

4. Vikings should be 3-0 if it weren't for their idiot coaching staff that abandons the highly effective Adrian Peterson running game for a washed up, old, has been Donovan McNabb. It's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and insisting on racing with a Chevy Nova.

Without a doubt that was a terrible call on the 4th and 1 not to run AD, but you're missing so much if all you can do is be mad at the coaches. The real problem is McNabb is a terrible second half QB and he has been for a few years now. How do you get AD going when McNabb can't hit wide open guys 5 yards down the field. The long strings of three and outs in the second half is killing this team and a lot of that can be attributed to a lack of execution by McNabb. People complain about predictable play calling as well, but in this league you have to be able to complete a predictable short pass now and then. One thing I've learned about the game as a whole from this nightmare season is QB accuracy is so critical and it can't be stated enough. Ponder will be seeing the field sooner than later.

Agree with you but how do you pay Peterson $100m and then not give him the ball on 4th and 1? It's criminal!!!

So criminal. Vikings should have never been in that situation in the first place if they just execute on a few plays in the second half or better yet execute in the redzone when you get to the 10 two drives in a row in the first half.Edit: my Vikings ranting and ravings aside this is a very good concept MoP. When I go back and watch the games on rewind this week I'm going to keep a lot of these questions in mind. Thanks MoP!

 

[Tango]

whats this about a cj td taken away? didnt see the highlights at all or even hear mention of it?

Flip pass by hass while scrambling to CJ was highly inaccurate. CJ was open and had no one behind him and would have had an easy score. Those playing against CJ (like me) knew we had dodged a bullet.TEN seemed to make an effort to get the ball to him via the air. He got most of his yards today lined up as a wide out.

So somebody just made it up that CJ had a td taken away? Nice...

If I was a CJ owner I would have found that missed connection valuable. He was getting unique swings at the plate that you wouldnt have known about yesterday and was very close to >100yds and a TD; which would have eliminated the need for this line of discussion.I'd also find the tidbit that he lined up as a straight WR (so much so that I initially thought he was Britt) and that threw to him on a regular go-route particularly valuable.