Eli Manning an "elite" QB? (1 Viewer)

[Despyzer]

Personally, I dont think Eli will ever be an elite QB as in the total package - but he could be one of those "true winners" who gets more wins - and key wins in the postseason - than either his stats or his regular season play would dictate.

I can definitely agree with this.

 

[Riflemen]

Has there ever been an "Elite" Giant QB? Simms is the closest but I seriously doubt if in his prime people considered him Elite.

 

[Koya]

Has there ever been an "Elite" Giant QB? Simms is the closest but I seriously doubt if in his prime people considered him Elite.

Those who new Simms might put him as an elite talent, but he never had the system nor the players around him to really justify the moniker. Unfortunately, Elite HoF careers are a combination not just of ability, will, talent and drive - but also a bit of luck as well (for example, the 49ers really wanted to draft Simms... he would EASILY be in the HoF had he thrown to Taylor, Rice and Roger Craig as the dumpoff in the West Coast system).Also, Eli and Simms are far different. Simms looked perfect back there. Blond kid with the QB look, great mechanics all of that - very accurate and always looked in charge. Eli sometimes looks disheveled, his passes are not always pretty and he looked like your younger brother - but when the game is on the line somehow he gets it done.,

 

[Riflemen]

Has there ever been an "Elite" Giant QB? Simms is the closest but I seriously doubt if in his prime people considered him Elite.

Those who new Simms might put him as an elite talent, but he never had the system nor the players around him to really justify the moniker. Unfortunately, Elite HoF careers are a combination not just of ability, will, talent and drive - but also a bit of luck as well (for example, the 49ers really wanted to draft Simms... he would EASILY be in the HoF had he thrown to Taylor, Rice and Roger Craig as the dumpoff in the West Coast system).Also, Eli and Simms are far different. Simms looked perfect back there. Blond kid with the QB look, great mechanics all of that - very accurate and always looked in charge. Eli sometimes looks disheveled, his passes are not always pretty and he looked like your younger brother - but when the game is on the line somehow he gets it done.,

Simms also was heavily ripped by media, fans, and even his own coaches. The most glaring similarity between the two is probably their thick skins and self-confidence. Can Eli become an elite QB? Not unless the Giant mindset changes and we move away from our ball-control roots. I suppose things can change quickly (with new coaches, skill players etc..) but I highly doubt the Giants will ever be known for their high powered offense.

 

[switz]

Has there ever been an "Elite" Giant QB? Simms is the closest but I seriously doubt if in his prime people considered him Elite.

Those who new Simms might put him as an elite talent, but he never had the system nor the players around him to really justify the moniker. Unfortunately, Elite HoF careers are a combination not just of ability, will, talent and drive - but also a bit of luck as well (for example, the 49ers really wanted to draft Simms... he would EASILY be in the HoF had he thrown to Taylor, Rice and Roger Craig as the dumpoff in the West Coast system).Also, Eli and Simms are far different. Simms looked perfect back there. Blond kid with the QB look, great mechanics all of that - very accurate and always looked in charge. Eli sometimes looks disheveled, his passes are not always pretty and he looked like your younger brother - but when the game is on the line somehow he gets it done.,

Simms was very good, but never elite. Great game manager. Great field general. But wasn't the physical talent needed to be an elite QB.

 

[Koya]

Has there ever been an "Elite" Giant QB? Simms is the closest but I seriously doubt if in his prime people considered him Elite.

Those who new Simms might put him as an elite talent, but he never had the system nor the players around him to really justify the moniker. Unfortunately, Elite HoF careers are a combination not just of ability, will, talent and drive - but also a bit of luck as well (for example, the 49ers really wanted to draft Simms... he would EASILY be in the HoF had he thrown to Taylor, Rice and Roger Craig as the dumpoff in the West Coast system).Also, Eli and Simms are far different. Simms looked perfect back there. Blond kid with the QB look, great mechanics all of that - very accurate and always looked in charge. Eli sometimes looks disheveled, his passes are not always pretty and he looked like your younger brother - but when the game is on the line somehow he gets it done.,

Simms was very good, but never elite. Great game manager. Great field general. But wasn't the physical talent needed to be an elite QB.

Couldnt disagree more. He had all the physical talent. He was on a defense first, defense second, run third team who never had a better WR than Lionel Manuel during his tenure there - and althoug they had a solid running game, we are not talking Barry Sanders or Walter Payton back there.

 

[Jous]

Eli perhaps vaulted himself into the top 10 after the SuperBowl, but he is in no way elite yet. Prior to the playoffs and arguably even after a game or two in the playoffs, he was about on the same quality on a consistant basis that Grossman was last year.

 

[Koya]

Eli perhaps vaulted himself into the top 10 after the SuperBowl, but he is in no way elite yet. Prior to the playoffs and arguably even after a game or two in the playoffs, he was about on the same quality on a consistant basis that Grossman was last year.

Elite is being tossed around far too liberally. I would be happy for Eli to maintain being a very good QB... Id be more than happy seeing as he has a propensity for big comebacks... he just needs to continue to lessen the mistakes.

 

[Jason Wood]

He had a great playoff run, but it takes more than that to become "elite". I think he has deservedly moved from average to good, but when I think of elite I think of Brady and Peyton.



I'm not so sure I would even put him in the top 10. That's not to take away from a magnificent performance, but I think he needs to follow this up next year with some more consistency.

If you drafted today, I would be hard pressed to find 10 QBs in the league I would choose ahead of Eli.Brady (duh)

Peyton (this "Eli is better than Peyton" stuff will fade in a month or two)

Palmer (the potential is immense. At some point you need to go from potential to playoffs, to playoff wins to super bowl - he's hardly made progress where it counts)

Those are the definates. Who else?

Roeths - He had a lot of TDs this year, and has the SB ring, but Eli did a lot more to get his team the ring than Roeths did during their run. Cant argue someone taking Big Ben though, at least not at this point. But is he progressing, and is he a leader enough as he matures?

Romo - Very close, but Eli has proven the mettle to make it through the NFL SB gauntlet, would have to go Eli.

Brees - Im just not 100% convinced. Again, numbers are nice but is he a SB winning QB? Could be.

Hasselbeck - He's solid. I would rather have eli

Of the above guys, I could see an arguement for them, but Eli has some big advantages at this juncture. The question is will what Eli has shown us this past month plus be indicative of future success. If the guy can play good enough to get them to the playoffs and raise his game, that is perfect for a QB. Romo and Brees have really not gotten close.

Bulger - not getting younger, always hurt. Is he even THAT good?

McNabb - getting older, on the downside although could have another couple good seasons in him with the right surroundings

Favre - maybe one more year?

D Anderson - way too soon, showed some concerning cracks at end of last season

Garrard - I like the guy, but he could not do what Eli did this postseason.

I could see some arguement for the above guys, but Im taking Eli over any of them, without much question right now.

Now, I am a Giants homer, but trying to be as objective as possible here. I think Eli moved from that bottom group somewhere to the top of the middle group - certainly below the two elite guys, and Palmer needs to change production into important wins, and soon.

Fair post...I would personally rather build a franchise around Brady, Peyton, Palmer or Big Ben. And I think at the end of their careers Tony Romo will be considered a better QB; but most of the other guys simply aren't any more compelling than Eli at this point. And that sickens me...

 

[Koya]

He had a great playoff run, but it takes more than that to become "elite". I think he has deservedly moved from average to good, but when I think of elite I think of Brady and Peyton.



I'm not so sure I would even put him in the top 10. That's not to take away from a magnificent performance, but I think he needs to follow this up next year with some more consistency.

If you drafted today, I would be hard pressed to find 10 QBs in the league I would choose ahead of Eli.Brady (duh)

Peyton (this "Eli is better than Peyton" stuff will fade in a month or two)

Palmer (the potential is immense. At some point you need to go from potential to playoffs, to playoff wins to super bowl - he's hardly made progress where it counts)

Those are the definates. Who else?

Roeths - He had a lot of TDs this year, and has the SB ring, but Eli did a lot more to get his team the ring than Roeths did during their run. Cant argue someone taking Big Ben though, at least not at this point. But is he progressing, and is he a leader enough as he matures?

Romo - Very close, but Eli has proven the mettle to make it through the NFL SB gauntlet, would have to go Eli.

Brees - Im just not 100% convinced. Again, numbers are nice but is he a SB winning QB? Could be.

Hasselbeck - He's solid. I would rather have eli

Of the above guys, I could see an arguement for them, but Eli has some big advantages at this juncture. The question is will what Eli has shown us this past month plus be indicative of future success. If the guy can play good enough to get them to the playoffs and raise his game, that is perfect for a QB. Romo and Brees have really not gotten close.

Bulger - not getting younger, always hurt. Is he even THAT good?

McNabb - getting older, on the downside although could have another couple good seasons in him with the right surroundings

Favre - maybe one more year?

D Anderson - way too soon, showed some concerning cracks at end of last season

Garrard - I like the guy, but he could not do what Eli did this postseason.

I could see some arguement for the above guys, but Im taking Eli over any of them, without much question right now.

Now, I am a Giants homer, but trying to be as objective as possible here. I think Eli moved from that bottom group somewhere to the top of the middle group - certainly below the two elite guys, and Palmer needs to change production into important wins, and soon.

Fair post...I would personally rather build a franchise around Brady, Peyton, Palmer or Big Ben. And I think at the end of their careers Tony Romo will be considered a better QB; but most of the other guys simply aren't any more compelling than Eli at this point. And that sickens me...

I do believe that however good Eli is, he still has so much animosity especially in some circles (re: FBGs) that it is hard for him to get a fair shake from some fans - between the trade, the last name, the expectations and the doofy look.I would definately go Brady or Peyton. Probably Palmer, but I really dont know if he is/can be a winner (that's fair to say, no?). Big Ben I have always liked but felt was overated, but I cant argue someone going that root. And its close enough that I presume my homerism comes into play.

Romo Im really torn on right now. I wonder if he will get more of those stats and less of the key wins. Time will tell I suppose. Rivers is very much in the same place although I don't like the guys attitude toward fans but damn, he is money playing on half a leg in the playoffs and doing well.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

ELI is more than a TE away.....

Was this too subtle??

 

[Pai Mei]

I think Elway or Favre would have lost that Super Bowl if either one was quarterbacking the Giants in their prime. Those guys liked to press too much in those situations and would have a meltdown. Eli showed a world of mental toughness to keep his composure and beat a damn good Patriots squad.