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That's actually literally what it is. You're pretending not to know what "Eli beat Brady" means in context.
I realize there is no way to have a "game and time management" category for QB's, but a couple of years ago I remember one game when all the Giants needed to do was run a play at the goal line, stay in bounds, and kick a FG to pretty much win a game. They would have taken the lead with a FG. He could have taken a knee, let the clock run down to about 8 seconds, and kicked a FG. But instead, Eli rolled out trying to pass. He could have just fallen down and taken a sack at the 10 yard line. He tried to throw the ball into the end zone and the pass went incomplete. They kicked the FG but left too much time on the clock. I believe it was against GB, who completed two quick sideline passes after the kickoff and kicked a FG to win as time expired.
No, it’s me responding directly to the things people say. And if in trying to justify Eli’s inclusion in the HOF, someone says “he beat Brady twice!” then I’m literally responding to a direct (and fallacious) statement.
Of course he will. But it’s because his name is Manning, and his teams beat the Pats twice, and he played in NY. And his name is Manning. Also, his name is Manning.Eli will likely get into the Hall of Fame for no other reason than because he led two game-winning Super Bowl drives against Brady's Patriots. Obviously you're entitled to believe that that's not enough to get him in the HOF, but it probably is.
He outplayed Brady. He was better in every stat (30/40 for 296 yards and a TD). And he won, including leading a fourth-quarter TD drive from his own 12-yard-line to take the lead.
If Jay Cutler had led Denver or Chicago on two different late 4th quarter game-winning Super Bowl drives against Brady's Patriots dynasty, we'd be talking about him going to the Hall. Conversely without those two wins, Manning's clearly not in the discussion. So it was mostly the two wins, not the city or the surname.
And what else do you want? The idea that Manning's Super Bowl MVP was the result of a single "lucky" catch in that game is ridiculous. He was very clearly the best offensive player in the game.
I didn’t say it was.
For that postseason run he was 106/171 (62.0%) for 1219 yards (305/gm) with 9 TDs and 1 INT.
Exactly. You picked Cutler as an example. Earlier I picked McNabb. IMO, any QB that played 10 years on a decent team and won 2 SB rings against NE would be in the situation Eli finds himself in and Eli without any rings would be Carson Palmer.
17th in point allowed. Turnovers have a big influence over that and the Giants were a minus 9 in turnovers. In terms of defensive yardage, Giants were 7th and Patriots were 4th. So both were top 10 defenses in terms of yards allowed.
Disagree. We’d be pointing to his otherwise mediocre stats & having this same discussion, but since his last name isn’t Manning, even the sportscasters would be trashing Cutler despite 2 SB rings. That’s what it means to have a last name of Manning. The court of public opinion & HOF voters alike will ensure Eli is a 1st ballot.
The Giants had guys injured all season long on defense that all came back healthy at the end of the year. NYG really came on in the post season. They held TB to 14 points (averaged 21 in the regular season), DAL to 17 points (vs. 28 in the regular season), GB to 20 (vs. 27 in the regular season), and NE to 14 (vs. 37 in the regular season). The Giants defense played way better in January and February than they did in the regular season.
Well since we are not talking about fantasy football yards don't matter ... points and only points matter.
Fine. Your original question was how come the Patriots didn't stifle Manning? Well, the Giants offense averaged 23 points that season and only had 17 in the Super Bowl. That may not be stifling, but they did hold the Giants offense to less points then normal. On the other side the Patriots averaged 37 points and were held to 14. Seems the defense had a whole lot more to do with the Giants winning than Eli. Was that your point?
Obviously the team that scores the most wins, but the most reliable predictor of which team wins or loses has been turnovers even over things like yards, first downs, penalties, time of possession, starting field position, etc.
No point was Eli stepped it up against a better D when it counted and Brady did not against a lesser D when it counted
I guess that's one way to interpret it if you are an Eli fan. Not very objective, but okay.
Even if he did it’s unlikely he’s worth tying up a roster spot all year. I’m not sure it would even be worth it for next year while he plays.
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If Eli needed the money, then I could see him hanging on for a couple more years as a journeyman backup (i.e., not much different than what the McCown brothers have done).at the idea of a team trading for Eli. What team would do that?
I'd feel so much better if this game was in NY. Crowd would've been AMAZING to see the old man again.
Same here so I picked up the Vikings in FA to play against the Lions. Even though Manning is declining he is better than Jones is right now. Miami lit up the Eagles last year and the Giants have more talent on offense. I realize they don't have Fitzmagic but still.Joe Summer said:
