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Eli Manning, Retired and the HoF Debate (1 Viewer)

Eli Manning completed 30-of-47 passes for 316 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions in the Giants' Week 8 loss to Washington.

He took seven sacks. Manning is completely devoid of athleticism at this stage of his career, and his slow-twitch pocket movement is a terrible combination with New York's swinging-gate offensive line. Manning's touchdown was a two-yarder to Evan Engram in what amounted to garbage time of Sunday's 20-13 loss. The Giants will have to consider turning to rookie Kyle Lauletta during their Week 9 bye. They began the tank last week by trading two starters.

Oct 28 - 4:20 PM
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He looked far worse than his stat line. He is done. Needs a brick wall OL to even be average. They gotta take a look at Kyle. 

 
Giants coach Pat Shurmur said, "At this point, Eli [Manning is] our quarterback."

Shurmur answered, "We'll see," when asked if Manning will start following the bye. "I know what you’re all trying to tease a headline," the coach continued. "We’ve got to do what we can to help him be better. There’s a handful of plays where he needs to be better. That’s obvious." It is notable the coach left some wiggle room, and the rebuilding Giants offloaded two defensive starters via trade last week. It would not be shocking if they turned to fourth-round rookie Kyle Lauletta during the bye week, but it seems more likely Manning will get the nod.

Source: Paul Schwartz on Twitter 

Oct 29 - 12:30 PM
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flapgreen said:
See above. Switched to Keenum at the last minute and it may just win me the game. Started KC defense and thought if one of them had a bad game, I'd make up for it on the other side. 
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And with that move, you’ve successfully answered the topic title question. 

Eli sucks.

/topic. 

 
Makes me kind of giggle. Phillip Rivers is still going strong and very likely to be a hall of famer. Eli pitched a fit and refused to go to San Diego, but got a couple championships out of it. 

 
flapgreen said:
Makes me kind of giggle. Phillip Rivers is still going strong and very likely to be a hall of famer. Eli pitched a fit and refused to go to San Diego, but got a couple championships out of it. 
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Great point, if Rivers had that defense during the 1st chip I bet he could of beaten the Pats 

 
Manning has never finished as a top QB in any year that he played. He was never an elite QB. He stayed healthy and had longevity is all. If the criteria to get into the HOF is being on a team that won 2 superbowls, and playing a bunch of years, then sure. If the HOF wants him fine. I thought the HOF was for players that were dominant at their position year after year. Kind of like Drew Brees is.

But as for now. What starting QB in this league would you take Manning over? The list would be pretty small.

 
Very curious of Tanney getting some time as the year closes out. I like his deep passes and cujones to throw it more often than most QBs. The rest of his game is "eh" but the Titans offense stunk during those years so maybe he was a product of the system? I don't know but I'm curious of the guy. 

 
flapgreen said:
Makes me kind of giggle. Phillip Rivers is still going strong and very likely to be a hall of famer. Eli pitched a fit and refused to go to San Diego, but got a couple championships out of it. 
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Of the top three QBs drafted that year, Eli has the lowest completion %, the worst Y/A average, the worst TD %, the highest INT %, the highest fumble %, and the lowest winning percentage. And yet he thought he was too good to play for the Chargers (or at least his daddy did).

 
Despyzer said:
Of the top three QBs drafted that year, Eli has the lowest completion %, the worst Y/A average, the worst TD %, the highest INT %, the highest fumble %, and the lowest winning percentage. And yet he thought he was too good to play for the Chargers (or at least his daddy did).
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I thought daddy wanted Eli to go to NY due to greater market

 
DocHolliday said:
I thought daddy wanted Eli to go to NY due to greater market
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His dad didn’t want Eli stuck on a loser small market team like he was. No son if Archie Manning was gonna play for San Diego, he’s a NY kinda QB.

which completely circumvented the draft peocsss by forcing SD to make a trade or Eli was prepared to sit out a year.

it was a d-bag move. And it was gutless of Eli to go along with it. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
His dad didn’t want Eli stuck on a loser small market team like he was. No son if Archie Manning was gonna play for San Diego, he’s a NY kinda QB.

which completely circumvented the draft peocsss by forcing SD to make a trade or Eli was prepared to sit out a year.

it was a d-bag move. And it was gutless of Eli to go along with it. 
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Agreed.  It was a d move.  

 
Eli has about 30m higher career earnings than Rivers, but pretty sure that will even out a bit when Rivers plays on next year and Eli does not

 
Eli Manning completed 19-of-31 passes for 188 yards and three touchdowns in the Giants' 27-23, Week 10 win over the 49ers on Monday night.

The yards-per-attempt (6.1) is pretty hideous, but Manning got the job done with a big second half. He had 63 yards on 15 attempts before the break, but found Odell Beckham and Sterling Shepard for touchdowns in the third and fourth quarters after the Giants fell behind 20-10. Beckham caught two of Manning's three scores, totaling 4-73-2 on 11 targets. Shepard's three-yarder came with 53 second left to give the G-Men a 27-23 lead. The Giants will head back home to face the Bucs in Week 11. It's a prime matchup for Eli, but he's still nothing more than a mid-range QB2.
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Just like the Houston game, Eli finds success when the line blocks arguably it's best of the year (Houston game the other time). As has been shown, Eli isn't great; not by a long shot. He doesn't have the arm strength he did. He'll miss throws at times. He's never been athletic... or mobile ... or even coordinated at times. People dislike his aw schucks "goober" personality.  But when his line can consistently give him 3-4 seconds to scan and throw there's no reason he can't be a decent game manager.

 
If Eli plays again next year, there is a decent (or greater) chance of Eli finishing his career with a losing record (in the regular season) as a starting QB. He currently is only four games over .500.

 
Faust said:
Giants expected to keep Eli Manning in 2019
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Interesting that they make this decision without really playing the backups.

I wanna see Tanney. The Titans spent like 8?10? years developing the guy. That's an odd age to have an inexperienced backup and yet he probably knows more than most young QBs. Should he be out of the league? Or still got promise? 

I haven't liked their drafted QBs but others do. I think the Gmen really need to at least throw the backups a game as this season closes. Do they know anything about Saquan's backups? They could really gain from treating one game like it's preseason. In the future, they probably gotta give Saquan more rest than like 3 plays per game or whatever it is. 

5-8 right? a couple wins and they could drop a bunch as to which spot they pick. I guess you can't tank in the NFL but ...I'm still stuck on "see what ya got" as this season closes.

 
There aren't too many players in all of sports that I dislike more than Eli, but I think he's still a better option than what some teams are trotting out at that position and has probably played well enough to be considered a legitimate starter going into next year.

 
He wasn't bad at all yesterday. Sure he wanted the INT back, but otherwise, the play calls stunk and he had several drops.

The Titans did an awesome job in the stud Saquan but that should have put WRs and Engram in a spot to make plays. They didn't call it like that. They had all these short routes over n over. That made the field so small and gave the Titans zero reason to stop loading the box. 

Malcolm Butler and Adoree have been burned deep this year. How can you not try to catch them sleeping? 

 
Agent Tom Condon believes Eli Manning will be back with the Giants in 2019.

"I think he’d love to come back," Condon said. "Guys love to play their whole careers with one team if they have a good experience with that team." Set to make $17 million including a $5 million bonus due in mid-March, Manning's return could be contingent on the veteran taking a pay cut, but Condon has yet to have those conversations with the team. Even if Manning sticks around, the Giants' No. 1 priority this offseason should be finding their quarterback of the future.

Source: New York Post 

Jan 22 - 10:18 AM
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Speaking Wednesday at the Combine, Giants GM Dave Gettleman again refused to commit to Eli Manning as the team's starting quarterback for 2019.

Just two hours earlier, coach Pat Shurmur said he "fully expects" Manning back with the team this season, though he also danced around the topic a bit -- just not as much as Gettleman. The G-Men are softening on their stance with Manning, but Gettleman has refused all along to commit to Eli fully dating back to his end-of-season presser in early January. Manning has a $5 million bonus due in a couple weeks on top of a $17 million salary. We'll find out more on him soon.

SOURCE: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

Feb 27, 2019, 9:57 AM
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