Extremely premature Buy Low/Sell High Thread (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

*Dynasty*

Buy low

Stafford - Kid is going to be good when he stays healthy

Bennie Wells - Yeah its gonna cost you, but his value is down from 4-5 weeks ago. Might be affordable now.

Donald Brown - Guy has talent, just hasn't shown it yet.

Robert Meachem - Dynamic player in a big play offense. Buy now before he starts to click.

Deon Butler - lesser known WR, But he should come cheap and has some major upside.

Sell High

Matt Ryan - his age is still a major selling point, but until ATL makes some changes, this wont be a high scoring offense.

Laurent Robinson - Had another TD, but worries me that a journeyman WR looks the best WR on that team after a week.

Caddy Williams - Get what you can while he is still the bellcow RB.

M. Turner - his best days are behind him.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

HOWEVER, if I have Adrian Peterson, Shaun Greene, and Foster and McCoy in a start 2 RB league where I'm really weak at WR, I'd trade him to bolster that position. I guarantee that's his best game of the season, if not his career. If he puts up 2009 Chris Johnson numbers the rest of the way, than I took a chance and missed. The odds are still much better that he's a solid RB2 going forward than a top 5 back the rest of the way.

You'd be better off trading Shonn Greene or McCoy for a WR in this instance. You don't trade stud runners like Foster who get all the work.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Selling high on Foster would be incredibly stupid. There is no reason to think his performance will wane. He is young, healthy, and getting the ball thirty times a game. Who would you trade him for?

Selling high on McFadden is smart. Junk stats count in fantasy, but they do not count towards longevity as a starting running back.

I also would sell high on OchoCinco. I don't think he puts up those numbers often this year.

I agree with others that a firesale of Desean Jackson is in order. Kolb looked awful. Vick looked good, but he never produces good fantasy numbers for his receivers, except for his tight ends. Dump Desean Jackson if you can. Probably should hold on to Kolb because nobody will buy him for anything of value.

Umm, what? The law of averages dictates that his performance will wane. If not you are saying he will get 33 carries a game and finish the season as the top rusher in NFL history by a really, really wide margin.

I didn't mean foster will get 200+ yards and 3 TDs every week. What I meant was, there is no reason to think his performance will dip below that of a Steven Jackson or DeAngelo Williams at this point. If a draft were held today I would draft Foster in the top 5.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

Fitzgerald is a sell-low because as awful as he was today, it's going to get much worse.

Forte isn't a good GL runner....never has been. However, Taylor struggled running the football as well. So either the OL isn't a good run blocking OL or the DL is much improved. I believe it is a bit of both. However, Forte is much improved from last season in regards to health/speed/quickness/agility. Don't miss out on that aspect.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

was offered Foster and Nicks for Dez and Spiller in my dynasty...

wonder if he would take it now....

Probably not, and why didn't you pull the trigger the second you read it?

I'm not convinced this is a gimme even with yesterday's performances. No reason he should have taken it before yesterday.

Would have parted with Spiller but didnt want to lose Dez, so i counter without Dez included and was shot down. Would have loved to pair up Nicks with Dez with my young squad.

 

[Gopher State]

I be trading McCoy his value is at an all time high. He will go down hill from week 1.

Reid does not know how to run the ball, plus Vick looks to be taking over.

 

[shadyridr]

I be trading McCoy his value is at an all time high. He will go down hill from week 1.Reid does not know how to run the ball, plus Vick looks to be taking over.

Weaver injury = one less goaline threat

 

[bc0312]

Buy Low: Deangelo Williams

 

[PinkydaPimp]

No love for Marion Barber?

 

[mvereb]

I think it's kinda crazy that some people wouldn't trade Foster for anyone other than CJ or AP.

I can understand people being skeptical about Sjax, Mendenhall, Greene, etc. Basically those second tier rushers.

But you'd rather have Foster over Turner, Gore, MJD, Rice, and DeAngelo Williams going forward?

I'm not buying it. I'm a Foster owner and will dump him if I could get any of those players.

 

[gregjcross]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

What do you think you can get in exchange for Forte?

Funny how people thing Forte is a leper. Dude put up 2 Tds and plenty of yards. He's going to finish top 14.

 

[davearm]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

What do you think you can get in exchange for Forte?

Funny how people thing Forte is a leper. Dude put up 2 Tds and plenty of yards. He's going to finish top 14.

Obviously the concern is that all of the TDs and most of the yards were on receptions. That's not normal, or sustainable.

 

[Stryker]

Wow, lots of concern for Desean Jackson it looks like,

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Buying Greene low if possible.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

I just got Andre Johnson for Arian Foster. Actually think it's a pretty fair trade.

 

[BAY_AREA_GIANT]

*Dynasty*

Buy low

Stafford - Kid is going to be good when he stays healthy

Bennie Wells - Yeah its gonna cost you, but his value is down from 4-5 weeks ago. Might be affordable now.

Donald Brown - Guy has talent, just hasn't shown it yet.

Robert Meachem - Dynamic player in a big play offense. Buy now before he starts to click.

Deon Butler - lesser known WR, But he should come cheap and has some major upside.

Sell High

Matt Ryan - his age is still a major selling point, but until ATL makes some changes, this wont be a high scoring offense.

Laurent Robinson - Had another TD, but worries me that a journeyman WR looks the best WR on that team after a week.

Caddy Williams - Get what you can while he is still the bellcow RB.

M. Turner - his best days are behind him.

I think you are mistaken on Michael Turner. He played Pittsburgh in week 1 - can't really knock him for a poor performance there.All he had last year was a high ankle sprain - no torn ligaments, no broken bones. He was on pace for a legit year until his injury and he tried to return to soon. If anything, that is a positive since he doesn't have that near-400 touch workload like in 2008. Reports said he showed up leaner to camp and with his time off in late 2009, I think he is ready for a big year. He doesn't have any real competition especially for goalline touches which is becoming rare. If Turner owners are selling, I'd buy.

 

[Birdie048]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

What do you think you can get in exchange for Forte?

Funny how people thing Forte is a leper. Dude put up 2 Tds and plenty of yards. He's going to finish top 14.

Against 1 of the worst defenses in the NFL that was also missing their starting MLB.

My little sister could have done as well as Forte did vs Det.

Gauge the value for what it is.... and who it was against. Turner vs Pitt & Greene vs Balt both looked bad. But put them vs Det and I imagine we would be singing a different tune.

Sell Forte high while you can. The Chi Offense is lost most of the time & the OL is not a running line.

ETA: my little sister is 5'8" 240 lbs and plays on a traveling softball team

 

[gsmayes]

I think it's kinda crazy that some people wouldn't trade Foster for anyone other than CJ or AP.I can understand people being skeptical about Sjax, Mendenhall, Greene, etc. Basically those second tier rushers.But you'd rather have Foster over Turner, Gore, MJD, Rice, and DeAngelo Williams going forward? I'm not buying it. I'm a Foster owner and will dump him if I could get any of those players.

I sent an offer to the CJ owner for Foster straight up, as a joke. He responded with SJax for Foster straight up. As ridiculous as it would of sounded a week ago, I don't think I can do it. I just don't trust SJax health or that offense.BTW, dude has both SJax and CJ because it's keeper league, but SJax can't be kept next year while Foster would cost a 2nd.Just to give you guys an idea of what Foster's value is right now.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Selling high on Foster would be incredibly stupid. There is no reason to think his performance will wane. He is young, healthy, and getting the ball thirty times a game. Who would you trade him for?

Selling high on McFadden is smart. Junk stats count in fantasy, but they do not count towards longevity as a starting running back.

I also would sell high on OchoCinco. I don't think he puts up those numbers often this year.

I agree with others that a firesale of Desean Jackson is in order. Kolb looked awful. Vick looked good, but he never produces good fantasy numbers for his receivers, except for his tight ends. Dump Desean Jackson if you can. Probably should hold on to Kolb because nobody will buy him for anything of value.

I bet Foster doesn't do that well again the whole season... Certainly good enough to put up nice RB #'s but to think the numbers aren't going down would probably not be smart. Shaub and AJ are on this team, AJ will get his touches...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I just got Andre Johnson for Arian Foster. Actually think it's a pretty fair trade.

Hope that's a PPR league. Redraft would be preferable as well.

 

[humpback]

Selling high on Foster would be incredibly stupid. There is no reason to think his performance will wane. He is young, healthy, and getting the ball thirty times a game. Who would you trade him for?

Selling high on McFadden is smart. Junk stats count in fantasy, but they do not count towards longevity as a starting running back.

I also would sell high on OchoCinco. I don't think he puts up those numbers often this year.

I agree with others that a firesale of Desean Jackson is in order. Kolb looked awful. Vick looked good, but he never produces good fantasy numbers for his receivers, except for his tight ends. Dump Desean Jackson if you can. Probably should hold on to Kolb because nobody will buy him for anything of value.

I bet Foster doesn't do that well again the whole season... Certainly good enough to put up nice RB #'s but to think the numbers aren't going down would probably not be smart. Shaub and AJ are on this team, AJ will get his touches...

He clarified his statement a few posts later.

 

[BoulderBob]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

What do you think you can get in exchange for Forte?

Funny how people thing Forte is a leper. Dude put up 2 Tds and plenty of yards. He's going to finish top 14.

Against 1 of the worst defenses in the NFL that was also missing their starting MLB.

My little sister could have done as well as Forte did vs Det.

Gauge the value for what it is.... and who it was against. Turner vs Pitt & Greene vs Balt both looked bad. But put them vs Det and I imagine we would be singing a different tune.

Sell Forte high while you can. The Chi Offense is lost most of the time & the OL is not a running line.

ETA: my little sister is 5'8" 240 lbs and plays on a traveling softball team

The Chicago offense is the best in the league in total yards at the moment, and they have Martz calling the shots. They could have easily scored 35+ points without the ridiculous TO's...the Lions aren't a good defense, but their D-Line is pretty damn good. Given this was just week 1 for Cutler/Forte in Martz's offense, and the output they produced? I wouldn't give up either for anything less than a top 3 RB or QB, as the potential to put up monster stats is there....

 

[Rick James]

No love for Marion Barber?

Another owner in my league dropped MBIII for Brandon Jackson. Why he chose to drop him over Isaac Redman, I have no idea, but Barber will make a nice addition to my team!

 

[The Jerk]

No love for Marion Barber?

Another owner in my league dropped MBIII for Brandon Jackson. Why he chose to drop him over Isaac Redman, I have no idea, but Barber will make a nice addition to my team!

I think it's crazy not to consider dropping MBIII for B.Jackson. I agree that Redman would appear the far more logical drop, but consider B.Jackson vs. Barber:stronger offense? edge to GB

offensive line strength? edge to Dallas (although smaller than last season)

pass/run balance? slight edge to Dallas (why Dallas doesn't run more -- at least when the OL is solid -- has always been a mystery to me, but they don't)

health issues? slight edge to B.Jackson

platoon/RBBC? edge to B.Jacksonhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=554545&pid=12292537&st=50

As far as true ability/talent/etc., I like Barber. But for situation and opportunity, I like Brandon Jackson. I can see arguments for either player.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wow, lots of concern for Desean Jackson it looks like,

That was an awful game Sunday. I am hesitant to start Jackson if Vick plays. But I think Kolb-to-Jackson will be fine once Kolb returns. Jackson is a good buy low right now.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Wow, lots of concern for Desean Jackson it looks like,

Yeah definitely time to start lowballing. Even though his upside might be lower (WR2 instead of WR1), people are panicking so much he becomes a buy low. He was covered by Woodson all day. They gameplanned to take him out. Vick hurts, but Vick won't start past the Detroit game barring further calamity. He's still an elite talent WR. Philly has to find a way to get him the ball.

 

[Go deep]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.

Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

 

[tangfoot]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

Re: Rice/mcGahee, nothing in that situation has changed from last year. If you want to downgrade Rice based on the passing game improvements, that's fine. But Willis was the goalline back in 2009 and Rice was still stellar.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

I agree with you to a point, but he won't play the Jets every game. He still got 23 touches on Monday. He averaged less than 21 touches pg last year.McGahee scored an obscene number of TDs last year and Rice still got 7.Your point might be more of a "buy high on Bradshaw" than a "sell high on Rice". It might be legit. I still see Rice as a RB1, but Bradshaw might be one too.

 

[Go deep]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

Re: Rice/mcGahee, nothing in that situation has changed from last year. If you want to downgrade Rice based on the passing game improvements, that's fine. But Willis was the goalline back in 2009 and Rice was still stellar.

The receptions will change from last year, but thats what made him a #1 back despite not being the goalline back. How many yards will he need to rush for to be a #1 back if he doesnt get more than 50 receptions or score more than 7 TD's?Mcgahee gets too big of a slice of the RBBC pie in Baltimore for me to be comfortable with Rice as my #1 RB. Especially with Baltimore havinga decling secondary and improved passing game.For the record, the Jets game had little to do with my conclusion, i pretty much already felt this way, the Jets game just helped prove what i already thought.Rice is more of a #2 RB than a #1, so if someone will give you RB1 value, you might want to think about taking it.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

Re: Rice/mcGahee, nothing in that situation has changed from last year. If you want to downgrade Rice based on the passing game improvements, that's fine. But Willis was the goalline back in 2009 and Rice was still stellar.

The receptions will change from last year, but thats what made him a #1 back despite not being the goalline back. How many yards will he need to rush for to be a #1 back if he doesnt get more than 50 receptions or score more than 7 TD's?Mcgahee gets too big of a slice of the RBBC pie in Baltimore for me to be comfortable with Rice as my #1 RB. Especially with Baltimore havinga decling secondary and improved passing game.For the record, the Jets game had little to do with my conclusion, i pretty much already felt this way, the Jets game just helped prove what i already thought.Rice is more of a #2 RB than a #1, so if someone will give you RB1 value, you might want to think about taking it.

You're headed for fall by evaluating what any offense does (or even tried to do) based on a matchup against the Jets. Rice is going to be just fine.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Matt Forte in non-PPR is as sell-high as it gets. How many runs did that O-line NOT get it done inside of the Lions 3? The Lions D line isn't THAT improved. Forte is headed for some monsterous clunkers this year.

What do you think you can get in exchange for Forte?

Funny how people thing Forte is a leper. Dude put up 2 Tds and plenty of yards. He's going to finish top 14.

It's not that I think he's a leper. It's that I saw what the outcome was when he tried running inside. Look at HOW he scored those TD's and gained those yards. I happen to agree with you in that he'll get plenty of receptions. He should be a bubble top 15 RB (hell he's halfway there after one week!), but the receiving game comes and goes. A RB sustains his week to week value 4.2 yards off-tackle at a time. In that regard, Forte is going to be brutal. He might not average 3.4 yards a carry this year.

 

[Go deep]

I think the biggest sell right now might be Ray Rice. If you are not going to be the goalline back, you have to make up for it by catching a ton of passes. If the Jets game is any sign of things to come, Mcgahee will continue to be the goalline back, and the Ravens are going to be passing downfield alot more than last season.Where does that leave Ray Rice? I tell you where, overvalued. MAybe trade him for Bradshaw and a WR. You will get similar numbers(maybe better) from Bradshaw, plus you can add a WR2.

Re: Rice/mcGahee, nothing in that situation has changed from last year. If you want to downgrade Rice based on the passing game improvements, that's fine. But Willis was the goalline back in 2009 and Rice was still stellar.

The receptions will change from last year, but thats what made him a #1 back despite not being the goalline back. How many yards will he need to rush for to be a #1 back if he doesnt get more than 50 receptions or score more than 7 TD's?Mcgahee gets too big of a slice of the RBBC pie in Baltimore for me to be comfortable with Rice as my #1 RB. Especially with Baltimore havinga decling secondary and improved passing game.For the record, the Jets game had little to do with my conclusion, i pretty much already felt this way, the Jets game just helped prove what i already thought.Rice is more of a #2 RB than a #1, so if someone will give you RB1 value, you might want to think about taking it.

You're headed for fall by evaluating what any offense does (or even tried to do) based on a matchup against the Jets. Rice is going to be just fine.

Like i said, the Jets game had little to do with it. Im sure Rice will be fine, i just dont think he will be a #1 RB this year. You can get similar production from Bradshaw for a much cheaper price.

 

[andrew11]

Surprised there isn't more Greene talk as a buy low candidate. Not sure his value will ever be any lower than right now.

what say you?

 

[tietzjd]

Buy Low: Deangelo Williams

This is reason I am holding on to him, not sure if can start him this week or now with match up he has. It's going be hard to sit Foster again. So what leads you to have faith on D. Will?

 

[saintfool]

Surprised there isn't more Greene talk as a buy low candidate. Not sure his value will ever be any lower than right now. what say you?

redraft? maybe.

 

[cheese]

Surprised there isn't more Greene talk as a buy low candidate. Not sure his value will ever be any lower than right now. what say you?

I say there is a reason why he's available much cheaper right now. Also, if he has another bad game in week 2 (not againist Ravens) and LT gets meaningful carries, his value probably plummets to unstartable. If you're predicting that won't happen I understand, but the possibility definitely exists.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Surprised there isn't more Greene talk as a buy low candidate. Not sure his value will ever be any lower than right now. what say you?

I say there is a reason why he's available much cheaper right now. Also, if he has another bad game in week 2 (not againist Ravens) and LT gets meaningful carries, his value probably plummets to unstartable. If you're predicting that won't happen I understand, but the possibility definitely exists.

Under normal circumstances, I'd a agree with you. But the Jets aren't a normal circumstance. In 2009 they rushed the ball 61% of the time for a league-leading 607 times. From what I've seen, the passing game hasn't improved enough to substantially change that. They won't be playing the Ravens every week. This is one of the few teams in the league that can keep owners of TWO RB's happy.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I'm buying Aromashodu. I think you can still get him for relatively cheap. People still think Knox will be the #1 target (because of all those beat writers/so called experts), but Aroma was the one that received end zone targets last game and last year.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Buy Low: Deangelo Williams

This is reason I am holding on to him, not sure if can start him this week or now with match up he has. It's going be hard to sit Foster again. So what leads you to have faith on D. Will?

Deangelo is a great buy low right now. Carolina attempted 33 passes last week in NY. That's insane. I don't think Fox is happy with an offense that depends on a young QB throwing 33 passes. I think Carolina will run the ball 35 to 40 times vs. Tampa, and I think Williams will have a big day. And once that happens, Williams owners will feel a lot more secure holding on to him.Look at what Cleveland did against Tampa last week:

23 attempts for 104 yards and a 4.5 ypc average and 1 rushing TD

If Cleveland can put up these numbers, then I am certain that Carolina can, too.

 

[ang12]

Mathews and Turner might be nice buy lows if the owners have injury worries.