FA - Terrell Owens (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

I generally shy away from old receivers that missed a year that are coming off of major knee surgery and are a head case. But maybe that's just me. I would say the same thing about Moss, except he at least he did not have major knee surgery. I would be really, really surprised if either of these two were a fantasy factor this season. Chad Johnson is slightly younger, did not take a year off, and has at least practiced throughout. I think he will have the best (but still not great) season of these three. The fact that none of them has a top QB won't help any.

Generally speaking, I think everyone shys away from guys with all of these question marks. But we're talking about 2 of the greatest WRs of all time. These guys can be exceptions to the rule as they have been for most of their careers. I'm late getting into my rankings but I think I have a better feeling about TO and Moss than I do Chad. After you get to WR35 or so there arent a lot of names out there that excite me and some of us will start to consider rolling the dice on a TO or Moss.

I realize this is an Owens thread, but I am VERY leary of Moss, as his stock is on the rise with comments and reports coming out of camp that he is doing well. IMO, what is happening is the Niners and the media that cover the team are bending over backwards to praise Moss because ANY criticism of him stands a very high chance of turning Moss into a sour #### again. I saw first hand how poorly things ended in NE, and the Niners are doing everyting in their power to keep Moss happy. So I think the praise and adulation coming his way is more a ploy to keep him motivated and interested in football than it is a bonafide testament to his skill set.I have heard some others suggest the same thing, that Moss will be into it for now, but any signs of adversity, not getting the ball enough, any complaints about his effort level, etc. will become a problem and by the end of the season he could end up being benched like he was to end 2010. I hope that Moss does well and can effectively turn the switch back on, but I have some doubts.As far as either Moss or Owens go, I agree that they have done things that other players have not done . . . and that could be the case again. But to what level is another question. Most WR in their mid to late 30s DON'T take a year off and come back, so the fact that they are even in the league now is more than other receivers in their age bracket have been able to do. Remember that 32 teams based on these guys and only now is there 1 team that went out on a limb and signed them. No one was beating the door down to sign them . . . which should tell us something.Again, there are worse lottery tickets out there for what it takes to draft either of them, so there is not much downside in rostering them, but I have seen some folks licking their chops looking for Moss or Owens numbers from 4 years ago or throwing out some Jerry Rice stat lines. I would say there is a chance they could do that, but in the main I would temper my projections on either of them.The reason I was higher on the former Ocho Cinco is it seems like there are so few other receiving options in MIA that he stands a decent chance to be their top receiver. I don't know if that is a vote in confidence in Ocho or a lack of confidence in the other receivers.

 

[karmarooster]

State-of-the-art new draft strategy: Geriatric WRs. You take Randy Moss (9th), Chad Johnson (13th), Terrell Owens(?), and Donald Driver(?).

Projections:

Moss - 98, 1,493, 23

Owens - 81, 1,355, 15

Johnson - 93, 1,440, 8

Driver - 82, 1,048, 2

 

[drummer]

State-of-the-art new draft strategy: Geriatric WRs. You take Randy Moss (9th), Chad Johnson (13th), Terrell Owens(?), and Donald Driver(?).

Projections:

Moss - 98, 1,493, 23

Owens - 81, 1,355, 15

Johnson - 93, 1,440, 8

Driver - 82, 1,048, 2

Alex Smith has thrown at the most 18 tds in a season his entire career, and that was under Jimmy Raye.

 

[ponchsox]

State-of-the-art new draft strategy: Geriatric WRs. You take Randy Moss (9th), Chad Johnson (13th), Terrell Owens(?), and Donald Driver(?).

Projections:

Moss - 98, 1,493, 23

Owens - 81, 1,355, 15

Johnson - 93, 1,440, 8

Driver - 82, 1,048, 2

Alex Smith has thrown at the most 18 tds in a season his entire career, and that was under Jimmy Raye.

I think he was being sarcastic

 

[drummer]

State-of-the-art new draft strategy: Geriatric WRs. You take Randy Moss (9th), Chad Johnson (13th), Terrell Owens(?), and Donald Driver(?).

Projections:

Moss - 98, 1,493, 23

Owens - 81, 1,355, 15

Johnson - 93, 1,440, 8

Driver - 82, 1,048, 2

Alex Smith has thrown at the most 18 tds in a season his entire career, and that was under Jimmy Raye.

I think he was being sarcastic

 

[karmarooster]

State-of-the-art new draft strategy: Geriatric WRs. You take Randy Moss (9th), Chad Johnson (13th), Terrell Owens(?), and Donald Driver(?).

Projections:

Moss - 98, 1,493, 23

Owens - 81, 1,355, 15

Johnson - 93, 1,440, 8

Driver - 82, 1,048, 2

Alex Smith has thrown at the most 18 tds in a season his entire career, and that was under Jimmy Raye.

I think he was being sarcastic

Those are actually all of their stat lines from 2007. Joking aside, it's not a bad idea to grab a couple of these guys very late in drafts, on the off-chance they produce WR2/3 numbers for maybe a portion of the season.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

I think Flynn is gonna light it up and TO could snag 70+/900+/9.

Count it punkies.

 

[metoo]

I generally shy away from old receivers that missed a year that are coming off of major knee surgery and are a head case. But maybe that's just me. I would say the same thing about Moss, except he at least he did not have major knee surgery. I would be really, really surprised if either of these two were a fantasy factor this season. Chad Johnson is slightly younger, did not take a year off, and has at least practiced throughout. I think he will have the best (but still not great) season of these three. The fact that none of them has a top QB won't help any.

Generally speaking, I think everyone shys away from guys with all of these question marks. But we're talking about 2 of the greatest WRs of all time. These guys can be exceptions to the rule as they have been for most of their careers. I'm late getting into my rankings but I think I have a better feeling about TO and Moss than I do Chad. After you get to WR35 or so there arent a lot of names out there that excite me and some of us will start to consider rolling the dice on a TO or Moss.

I realize this is an Owens thread, but I am VERY leary of Moss, as his stock is on the rise with comments and reports coming out of camp that he is doing well. IMO, what is happening is the Niners and the media that cover the team are bending over backwards to praise Moss because ANY criticism of him stands a very high chance of turning Moss into a sour #### again. I saw first hand how poorly things ended in NE, and the Niners are doing everyting in their power to keep Moss happy. So I think the praise and adulation coming his way is more a ploy to keep him motivated and interested in football than it is a bonafide testament to his skill set.I have heard some others suggest the same thing, that Moss will be into it for now, but any signs of adversity, not getting the ball enough, any complaints about his effort level, etc. will become a problem and by the end of the season he could end up being benched like he was to end 2010. I hope that Moss does well and can effectively turn the switch back on, but I have some doubts.As far as either Moss or Owens go, I agree that they have done things that other players have not done . . . and that could be the case again. But to what level is another question. Most WR in their mid to late 30s DON'T take a year off and come back, so the fact that they are even in the league now is more than other receivers in their age bracket have been able to do. Remember that 32 teams based on these guys and only now is there 1 team that went out on a limb and signed them. No one was beating the door down to sign them . . . which should tell us something.Again, there are worse lottery tickets out there for what it takes to draft either of them, so there is not much downside in rostering them, but I have seen some folks licking their chops looking for Moss or Owens numbers from 4 years ago or throwing out some Jerry Rice stat lines. I would say there is a chance they could do that, but in the main I would temper my projections on either of them.The reason I was higher on the former Ocho Cinco is it seems like there are so few other receiving options in MIA that he stands a decent chance to be their top receiver. I don't know if that is a vote in confidence in Ocho or a lack of confidence in the other receivers.

I'll take Moss and Owens any day over Johnson. Moss and Owens are football smart, Johnson not so much.

 

[southbound]

I actually own all 3 (Moss, CJ, and Owens) in the only league I'm in

 

[zoonation]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.

He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.

65-850-8

top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

 

[David Yudkin]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

The last time that production level was good enough to rank in the Top 20 was 2003. In recent seasons, that was usually good for the Top 25 though.I still would have concerns about who the QB will be, how much the Seahawks will run if Lynch is not suspended, and running fast has never been an issue for T.O. It's the off field antics and theatrics that have served to do him in.

 

[zoonation]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

The last time that production level was good enough to rank in the Top 20 was 2003. In recent seasons, that was usually good for the Top 25 though.I still would have concerns about who the QB will be, how much the Seahawks will run if Lynch is not suspended, and running fast has never been an issue for T.O. It's the off field antics and theatrics that have served to do him in.

You have to believe that he is past all that now. He is broke, knows this is his last shot and wasn't a distraction at all in Buffalo or Cinci. Let's not forget that T.O. was basically a top 5-10 FF WR with the Bengals before he got hurt.I think Flynn plays well and relies on T.O. a fair bit and I have no faith in Rice doing anything. My off the cuff projections are his floor IMO if he stays healthy.The antics don't concern me. He really has too much to lose at this point to pull that stuff.

 

[zoonation]

you guys are killing me with the totally unrealistic expectations. No chance he comes close to WR3 Numbers. He might even be cut before the season begins...put down the koolaid.Edited to clarify 'relevant'

care to place a wager on that?

 

[Riffraff]

Rice is still the number 1 - if healthy.

Owens/Bryant/Edwards - veterans on 1 year deals - were brought in to push Tate for the other outside spot.

Baldwin is still the slot guy and spent the off-season talking about special teams work.

The team is real young at WR and need a veteran presence.

 

[VaTerp]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

The last time that production level was good enough to rank in the Top 20 was 2003. In recent seasons, that was usually good for the Top 25 though.I still would have concerns about who the QB will be, how much the Seahawks will run if Lynch is not suspended, and running fast has never been an issue for T.O. It's the off field antics and theatrics that have served to do him in.

You have to believe that he is past all that now. He is broke, knows this is his last shot and wasn't a distraction at all in Buffalo or Cinci. Let's not forget that T.O. was basically a top 5-10 FF WR with the Bengals before he got hurt.I think Flynn plays well and relies on T.O. a fair bit and I have no faith in Rice doing anything. My off the cuff projections are his floor IMO if he stays healthy.The antics don't concern me. He really has too much to lose at this point to pull that stuff.

I'm of the opinion that TO's off the field stuff has been vastly overblown. I don't agree with a lot of things he's done and the guy clearly has some mental/emotional issues to deal with but other than the disaster in Philly in 2005 (when he was putting up ridiculous numbers before the team deactivated him), when has his off the field stuff really hurt his numbers from a FF perspective?And other than an unsubstantiated Ed Werder story in 2008, what issues has he had with teamates, coaches, etc since his 1st year in Dallas.? There were no problems in Buffalo or Cincy. There's the whole pill overdose situations from 06 and the recent episode but again, that's really a personal issue.At 38 and clearly in need of money I see no reasons to believe that TO will do much more than play football, as he did in Buffalo and Cincy.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

zoo - you have a bet waiting for you in your inbox on a different matter. First things first.

 

[loose circuits]

sounds like TO is challenging for Rice's spot at flanker?

leaving Bray, Tate, Lockette, Durham battling out for the other side still??

 

[FavreCo]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

Sounds about right. Newest member of FavreCo so he obviously will put up big #'s with Flynn.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

 

[Raider Nation]

He took #10. :X

That number works for speedsters like Holmes and D-Jax. Looks weird on T.O. because he's such a huge WR.

Maybe Tate will show some respect for his elders and give up #81.

 

[eoMMan]

He took #10. :XThat number works for speedsters like Holmes and D-Jax. Looks weird on T.O. because he's such a huge WR.Maybe Tate will show some respect for his elders and give up #81.

Like a big, black Eli?

 

[Hoss Style]

I put in a bid for TO and won it. We don't have to trim down our rosters until the season starts so I figured what the heck - it couldn't hurt.

 

[Riffraff]

Local radio hosts believe that it'll be Rice and Owens as starters. Owens is filling the open spot in the flanker since Rice is out.

Also, they have a conspiracy theory that Owens took #10 because he can take out a Sharpie and make the 1 into a T... and then you have TO.

 

[Raider Nation]

Cut by Seattle.

 

[Shawn]

Cut by Seattle.

Can't say im surprised by this. T.O was the last thing Pete Carroll needed to deal with in his locker room among all these young players.

 

[biju]

I was pretty certain he wasn't going to make the team when he signed. So much for those 1,000 yard predictions, eh?

My guess is the Dolphins are going to take a good look at him right now.

 

[Abraham]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

 

[Zeff]

Cut by Seattle.

Can't say im surprised by this. T.O was the last thing Pete Carroll needed to deal with in his locker room among all these young players.

T.O.'s only chance was for Braylon to suck. Since he's pretty much the same thing, but with 50% less drama (though still more than his fair share) and way less mileage.Once Braylon looked good out there, TO was pointless.

 

[Raider Nation]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

In all fairness, he was only 850 & 8 shy of 850 & 8.

 

[Abraham]

Odd since scientist has been at practice. I thought he would have had a good idea on this one. Sort of calls in to question some of his other Seattle analysis, you know?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Rip TO...Edwards beat u out

 

[Jewell]

My guess is the Dolphins are going to take a good look at him right now.

The Dolphins got rid of Brandon Marshall, in part, because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.The Dolphins got rid of Chad Johnson, in part, because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.My guess is that the Dolphins won't look at T.O. because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.

 

[Shawn]

My guess is the Dolphins are going to take a good look at him right now.

The Dolphins got rid of Brandon Marshall, in part, because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.The Dolphins got rid of Chad Johnson, in part, because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.My guess is that the Dolphins won't look at T.O. because he's a loud mouth who causes problems.

 

[Deamon]

Stick a fork in the guy already. No more speculation please, he's done.

 

[Shutout]

Odd since scientist has been at practice. I thought he would have had a good idea on this one. Sort of calls in to question some of his other Seattle analysis, you know?

MMhmm.

 

[LHUCKS]

He is not done...had no problem getting open in the preseason.

He'll be picked up soon.

 

[Deamon]

He is not done...had no problem getting open in the preseason. He'll be picked up soon.

Yet he gets cut and this far in advance of the final roster cuts? I'm not sure how many teams have less of an impressive WR corps then Seattle. And to be picked up 10 days before the season starts? I dunno, I just think saying he'll get picked up somewhere seems a little far fetched by this point.

 

[LHUCKS]

He is not done...had no problem getting open in the preseason. He'll be picked up soon.

Yet he gets cut and this far in advance of the final roster cuts? I'm not sure how many teams have less of an impressive WR corps then Seattle. And to be picked up 10 days before the season starts? I dunno, I just think saying he'll get picked up somewhere seems a little far fetched by this point.

Based on what I've seen this preseason, he should be on a roster. I understand the veteran minimum and wanting to develop younger WRs, but T.O. is still one of the best 75 WRs on the planet IMHO.

 

[Deamon]

He is not done...had no problem getting open in the preseason. He'll be picked up soon.

Yet he gets cut and this far in advance of the final roster cuts? I'm not sure how many teams have less of an impressive WR corps then Seattle. And to be picked up 10 days before the season starts? I dunno, I just think saying he'll get picked up somewhere seems a little far fetched by this point.

Based on what I've seen this preseason, he should be on a roster. I understand the veteran minimum and wanting to develop younger WRs, but T.O. is still one of the best 75 WRs on the planet IMHO.

Based on what you saw this preseason, should he have made the seahawks team? Everyone was saying they were impressed with what they saw, but I'm going to trust carrol's analysis of him over anyone elses.

 

[pizzatyme]

I would like to see the Colts grab him if Collie shuts it down. He could run the go route to free up the underneath stuff and Luck has the arm to take advantage of his abilities.

 

[DiStefano]

He is not done...had no problem getting open in the preseason. He'll be picked up soon.

He failed for entirely unexpected reasons. You would think that an old receiver would have trouble getting separation. He didn't. He just couldn't hang on to the damn ball! There are a lot of things offensive coordinators will accept; not catching perfectly thrown passes is not one of them.

 

[Faust]

Why Terrell Owens missed cut

By Mike Sando | ESPN.com

News that Terrell Owens had run a 40-yard dash in less than 4.5 seconds lent credence to the idea that he could help the Seattle Seahawks at age 38.

The workout results left Seattle feeling compelled to give Owens a shot. But the immediate impact Owens made after signing a one-year deal Aug. 6 worked against him and facilitated his release Sunday.

Owens announced his release on Twitter. The team did not immediately confirm the news, but a source said earlier Sunday that Owens was expected to be released.

With Owens on the roster, another veteran wideout, 29-year-old Braylon Edwards, picked up his game noticeably. And when Owens struggled to get going in two preseason games, Seattle decided it had seen enough.

Owens and Edwards were competing to fill the role Mike Williams played in 2010, that of a big receiver to help move the chains and, ideally, factor in the red zone. Kris Durham, a draft choice in 2011, was targeted to fill that role. He has not made an impact, however, after returning from an injury suffered last season.

Seattle appeared unlikely to keep both Edwards and Owens. They were redundant, and neither was going to help on special teams.

Owens did make an impressive sideline grab for Seattle against Kansas City in the Seahawks' most recent exhibition game. But he also failed to make plays on other balls thrown his way. The deep ball he dropped from Matt Flynn a week earlier might linger as his defining play in a Seattle uniform.

It's unclear whether the Seahawks would consider re-signing Owens in the future. Veteran contracts become guaranteed once players are on the roster heading into Week 1. Bringing back Owens after that point would lessen the financial commitment.

NFL teams have until 4 p.m. Monday to reduce their rosters to 75 players. Ninety is the current limit. Teams then must reduce to 53 players by Friday.

 

[Late225]

Possibly the Jets? Is he better than Cromartie? lol

 

[Hoss Style]

I remember reading something about how he probably won't be signed until the season starts. If someone signs him after the season starts then they don't have to guarantee his contract. I could be wrong on the details here, but I heard it was the same thing for Plax as well - they'd be picked up as needed during the season to avoid the guaranteed money.

 

[David Yudkin]

I remember reading something about how he probably won't be signed until the season starts. If someone signs him after the season starts then they don't have to guarantee his contract. I could be wrong on the details here, but I heard it was the same thing for Plax as well - they'd be picked up as needed during the season to avoid the guaranteed money.

This is correct. Anyone on an opening day roster gets their base salary guaranteed for the 2012 season. Anyone signed after the first game gets paid on a per game basis and can be released without having to pay anything else.

 

[zoonation]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

Yeah, I was wrong. Makes me sad. Wanted to see him end his HOF career on a good note.

 

[mad sweeney]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

Yeah, I was wrong. Makes me sad. Wanted to see him end his HOF career on a good note.

The only good note forTO is not on my team.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Owens will lead the Seahawks in receiving this year. Book it. 4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out.He will move up draft boards consistently throughout the rest of the month.65-850-8top 20 wideout this year if he stays healthy, which is a big if.

Yeah, I was wrong. Makes me sad. Wanted to see him end his HOF career on a good note.

You were only wrong on your projections....and he still could be called on by the Hawks or picked up by another team. One "theory" was they will pick him back up after week 1 and that way his contract is not guaranteed and they pay him week to week. You were correct in saying "4.45 40 is unreal and his cuts looked excellent in the video of him working out", that was Also had he made the team and stayed healthy he would have had an outside shot at top 20. Looks like Edwards beat him out and I can see Edwards getting near the Top 20 if he stays healthy.