Facing the leage average.. (1 Viewer)

[BeTheMatch]

I play in a couple all-play leagues, and that's my favorite format. To me, the "fun" of fantasy football is having the best, most deserving team win. The all-play format dramatically increases the odds of that happening.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Play 1/2 total points and 1/2 head to head.We award 1/2 the prize pool to the points leader at the end of week 16We award 1/3 of the prize pool to the league championwe award the rest to the runner up.So you're playing 1/2 rotisserie, 1/2 traditional matchups (which despite having MASSIVE structural flaws, is more intriguing)If a team is really excellent they'll probably win the points AND one of the other prizes.The best team never gets denied payment in our league.Playing totally head to head where 1 game playoffs determine the outcome of your entire prize pool leave you in a league controlled by an unbelievable amount of luck.

just split the pot 12 ways at the end of the year and keep everybody happy.

 

[mr roboto]

Play 1/2 total points and 1/2 head to head.We award 1/2 the prize pool to the points leader at the end of week 16We award 1/3 of the prize pool to the league championwe award the rest to the runner up.So you're playing 1/2 rotisserie, 1/2 traditional matchups (which despite having MASSIVE structural flaws, is more intriguing)If a team is really excellent they'll probably win the points AND one of the other prizes.The best team never gets denied payment in our league.Playing totally head to head where 1 game playoffs determine the outcome of your entire prize pool leave you in a league controlled by an unbelievable amount of luck.

just split the pot 12 ways at the end of the year and keep everybody happy.

That's exactly what he said. U is smart.

 

[Dentist]

Play 1/2 total points and 1/2 head to head.We award 1/2 the prize pool to the points leader at the end of week 16We award 1/3 of the prize pool to the league championwe award the rest to the runner up.So you're playing 1/2 rotisserie, 1/2 traditional matchups (which despite having MASSIVE structural flaws, is more intriguing)If a team is really excellent they'll probably win the points AND one of the other prizes.The best team never gets denied payment in our league.Playing totally head to head where 1 game playoffs determine the outcome of your entire prize pool leave you in a league controlled by an unbelievable amount of luck.

just split the pot 12 ways at the end of the year and keep everybody happy.

Either 2 or 3 guys get paid out of 12.. is yours winner take all?a decent amount of the time the points winner also wins the league or takes second.I'd say 1/2 the time we have 2 winners of prizes, 1/2 the time 3Winner take all keeps less people interested... and really when it all comes down to it, the best format for fantasy football is the one that keeps the league going even if it violates my desires to only reward the best team.

 

[matttyl]

After reading this thread, I did a simple exercise and swapped the schedules of a 6-1 team (currently tied for 1st) and a 2-5 team (currently in sole possession of 9th place) in my 10 team dynasty league. Nothing else was changed but their weekly opponent. The 6-1 team went to 3-4, and the 2-5 team went to 7-0.

To me, this proves that luck of the schedule is a far bigger factor than even setting your lineup properly. I don't want to fully go to an "all-play" with the league, but maybe double or triple headers are the way to go.

 

[Dentist]

After reading this thread, I did a simple exercise and swapped the schedules of a 6-1 team (currently tied for 1st) and a 2-5 team (currently in sole possession of 9th place) in my 10 team dynasty league. Nothing else was changed but their weekly opponent. The 6-1 team went to 3-4, and the 2-5 team went to 7-0.To me, this proves that luck of the schedule is a far bigger factor than even setting your lineup properly. I don't want to fully go to an "all-play" with the league, but maybe double or triple headers are the way to go.

this evens out over the long haul.Here's another thing we do:2 divisions (granted i hate divisions, but people like them)Playoff spots 1 and 2 - division winners3 and 4 - next 2 best records5 and 6 - top teams in "power rankings" (CBS thing - but pretty easy to do) - power rankings takes record, total points, and an all-play record into account when slotting the teams.So using this system we've occasionally had someone with a worse record make the playoffs over someone with a better record.. the most extreme example was in 2009 when a 5-8 team made it over a 8-5 team.You do this and 95% of the time the top 6 teams will make the playoffs... and the other 5% of the time the #7 power ranked team will have made it on record and the #6 power ranked team won't make the playoffs.I'm sure there are extreme examples that could debunk it.. i suppose the guy who was last in points in the league could have the best schedule of all time and go 13-0... but really this does a pretty good job.So in summary... to remove the ill effects of head to head matchups in a 13-14 week regular season:1) keep the head to head matchups... people like them no matter how flawed they are.2) put teams in teh playoffs partially based on record, but make sure to incorporate all-play and points as a component (just keep it in the background)3) award SOME type of prize (my recommendation is a significant prize) to the points leader at the end of week 16... that guy drafted and maintained the best team over the long haul.I'd like to see anyone shoot holes in this plan... i've been playing ffl since '92 and this plan has evolved over 20 years of careful thought from someone who obsesses over rewarding the best team at all times, yet still keeping a league together.

 

[AngryPatriot]

It's not heading that way and it will never take over. Just like start 2 QB leagues, playing against the league average is lame. The reason FF works is it's relationship to real football and the fans of it. NFL teams play each other, fantasy teams play each other. Do what you can to limit luck but it's just going to be a part of it and is one of the things that makes it exciting and unpredictable, makes it "human". Matchups are key. We are not computers, live a little.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

It's not heading that way and it will never take over. Just like start 2 QB leagues, playing against the league average is lame. The reason FF works is it's relationship to real football and the fans of it. NFL teams play each other, fantasy teams play each other. Do what you can to limit luck but it's just going to be a part of it and is one of the things that makes it exciting and unpredictable, makes it "human". Matchups are key. We are not computers, live a little.

Mythology.

 

[mr roboto]

It's not heading that way and it will never take over. Just like start 2 QB leagues, playing against the league average is lame. The reason FF works is it's relationship to real football and the fans of it. NFL teams play each other, fantasy teams play each other. Do what you can to limit luck but it's just going to be a part of it and is one of the things that makes it exciting and unpredictable, makes it "human". Matchups are key. We are not computers, live a little.

Mythology.

Yep. That has NOTHING to do with it.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Double-Headers in both my money leagues. It's the way to go IMO. If you're unlucky enough to play vs. #1 points you'll still get one win that week. It's more likely that in the long-run the best teams will be at the top of the standings.

You guys have convinced me on this, I really like the idea. Do you know which sites provide this option?

RTSports does. Someone else mentioned MFL.