Fanduel - Bargin Buys thread (1 Viewer)

[Carver]

Some really good Value buys as I see them this week

QB- Russell Wilson - $5400

You can currently buy this kid for less than Vince Young. I know, I know.. he's been hyped up more than an MC Hammer crowd circa 1987.. But he's got the skills and the motivation to come out and put on a show against a middle of the pack (at best) defense in Arizona. If you wanna load up at other positions and gamble on an upside QB, here's your play.

WR- Nate Washington - $5300

Playing at home vs. (until it shows us otherwise) a pretty awful patriot secondary. The Titans are only suiting up four WR's for this game and I imagine they will be playing from well behind. Cash in on Nate as your WR3 in this ppr format. He's good for 7-10 grabs, take it to the bank.

RB- Kevin Smith - $5000

Again, plaing at home vs a craptastic Rams run defense from a year ago. You want to blow your $ at WR/QB/TE without breaking the cap? Pick up Smith and his whopping 14.9 ppg average as your RB2.

What do you guys got?

 

[flc735]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

 

[Carver]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

 

[flc735]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback playsmy point is i like draftstreet a lot better for that reason. i can start +1 qb and +2 flex there and better take advantage of those great plays.

but now i realize i hijacked the thread a bit. sorry

 

[lukinrats]

I like draft street better because of the roster format, but I like some of the actual games/match up choices on Fanduel. One of these outfits should buy the other. It would be nice to see them combining the best of both

 

[flc735]

I like draft street better because of the roster format, but I like some of the actual games/match up choices on Fanduel. One of these outfits should buy the other. It would be nice to see them combining the best of both

last year, i found 15 different daily fantasty sites. there are probably more now. even some sportsbooks are starting to get into it. i'd bet we see a lot of them merging in the future. i could see fanduel/DS buying out a smaller site for their customers

 

[lukinrats]

I like draft street better because of the roster format, but I like some of the actual games/match up choices on Fanduel. One of these outfits should buy the other. It would be nice to see them combining the best of both

last year, i found 15 different daily fantasty sites. there are probably more now. even some sportsbooks are starting to get into it. i'd bet we see a lot of them merging in the future. i could see fanduel/DS buying out a smaller site for their customers

Were any of them good? I did notice that you could win a little more frequently when FD and DS were new.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'll follow who all the fancy picks are...

 

[BoltBacker]

I like draft street better because of the roster format, but I like some of the actual games/match up choices on Fanduel. One of these outfits should buy the other. It would be nice to see them combining the best of both

last year, i found 15 different daily fantasty sites. there are probably more now. even some sportsbooks are starting to get into it. i'd bet we see a lot of them merging in the future. i could see fanduel/DS buying out a smaller site for their customers

I hope not. The more choices for the consumer the better imo.In fact I'd play at a different site than FanDuel if there was a game with really large rosters each week. That way it would be much more likely the teams are more different. In almost every heaad-to-head matchup I have 2 or 3 players in common with my opponent which is kind of a big deal when you only have 9 starters. If you started ~15 players it would feel like more of a game of skill and less a game of luck in my opinion.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I pretty much have Keven Smith on every single on of my teams. I think..

RB

Doug Martin for 6500 is a steal with a soft match up

Micheal Turner for 6400 may be surprisingly sneaky in a game where ATL may end up grinding it out

Deangelo Williams for 5700 is pretty great value if Jstew sits

Stevan Ridely for 5400 is also great value in a game where NE may grind it out

Toby Gerhart for 5400 seems like a bargain for a possible starter

WR

Julio Jones seems like he should be worth more than 7200 even though the match up is tough

Brandon Lloyd for 6100 seems like good "boom or bust" value

Pierre Garcon for 5800 is a steal as WAS will be playing catch up all day

Malcom Floyd seems like a steal for 5700 since he's averaged 137 yards against OAK in their last three meeting.



Titus Young for 5500 seems like a great price for someone with that much upside

Kendall Wright/Nate Washington seem like steal for 5300 in a game where TEN should have to air it out for a majority of the game

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

 

[Carver]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

 

[Chazzhawk]

I pretty much have Keven Smith on every single on of my teams. I think..

RB

Doug Martin for 6500 is a steal with a soft match up

Micheal Turner for 6400 may be surprisingly sneaky in a game where ATL may end up grinding it out

Deangelo Williams for 5700 is pretty great value if Jstew sits

Stevan Ridely for 5400 is also great value in a game where NE may grind it out

Toby Gerhart for 5400 seems like a bargain for a possible starter

WR

Julio Jones seems like he should be worth more than 7200 even though the match up is tough

Brandon Lloyd for 6100 seems like good "boom or bust" value

Pierre Garcon for 5800 is a steal as WAS will be playing catch up all day

Malcom Floyd seems like a steal for 5700 since he's averaged 137 yards against OAK in their last three meeting.



Titus Young for 5500 seems like a great price for someone with that much upside

Kendall Wright/Nate Washington seem like steal for 5300 in a game where TEN should have to air it out for a majority of the game

I don't mind your Ridley pick, but when is the last time New England just grounded out a game?

 

[flc735]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I pretty much have Keven Smith on every single on of my teams. I think..

RB

Doug Martin for 6500 is a steal with a soft match up

Micheal Turner for 6400 may be surprisingly sneaky in a game where ATL may end up grinding it out

Deangelo Williams for 5700 is pretty great value if Jstew sits

Stevan Ridely for 5400 is also great value in a game where NE may grind it out

Toby Gerhart for 5400 seems like a bargain for a possible starter

WR

Julio Jones seems like he should be worth more than 7200 even though the match up is tough

Brandon Lloyd for 6100 seems like good "boom or bust" value

Pierre Garcon for 5800 is a steal as WAS will be playing catch up all day

Malcom Floyd seems like a steal for 5700 since he's averaged 137 yards against OAK in their last three meeting.



Titus Young for 5500 seems like a great price for someone with that much upside

Kendall Wright/Nate Washington seem like steal for 5300 in a game where TEN should have to air it out for a majority of the game

I don't mind your Ridley pick, but when is the last time New England just grounded out a game?

Grind was a bad choice of words. I should have said, in a game where NE may "run the ball more often".

 

[SameSongNDance]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

Throwing KSmith on a majority of my teams allowed me to essentially go "elite" almost everywhere else. Oh for the record, Rivers for 8100 was a common theme amongst my teams.

 

[flc735]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

Throwing KSmith on a majority of my teams allowed me to essentially go "elite" almost everywhere else. Oh for the record, Rivers for 8100 was a common theme amongst my teams.

i think marshall will score 20 points this weeki think calvin will score 20 points this week

so saving money by downgrading to kevin is not going to help my team very much based on what i expect to happen

 

[SameSongNDance]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

Throwing KSmith on a majority of my teams allowed me to essentially go "elite" almost everywhere else. Oh for the record, Rivers for 8100 was a common theme amongst my teams.

i think marshall will score 20 points this weeki think calvin will score 20 points this week

so saving money by downgrading to kevin is not going to help my team very much based on what i expect to happen

It's very possible they could do that and you'd still lose. Starting K.Smith isn't downgrading. There are a lot of people/sites who have him ranked in their top 12 and for good reason. It just so happens he costs 2,000-3,000 less than he should this week. K.Smith allowed me to field a team like this (60k cap)..Rivers

K.Smith

McCoy

Julio

Percy

Marshall

Graham

Clearly, his price tag helps.

 

[flc735]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

Throwing KSmith on a majority of my teams allowed me to essentially go "elite" almost everywhere else. Oh for the record, Rivers for 8100 was a common theme amongst my teams.

i think marshall will score 20 points this weeki think calvin will score 20 points this week

so saving money by downgrading to kevin is not going to help my team very much based on what i expect to happen

It's very possible they could do that and you'd still lose. Starting K.Smith isn't downgrading. There are a lot of people/sites who have him ranked in their top 12 and for good reason. It just so happens he costs 2,000-3,000 less than he should this week. K.Smith allowed me to field a team like this (60k cap)..Rivers

K.Smith

McCoy

Julio

Percy

Marshall

Graham

Clearly, his price tag helps.

it all depends on your own rankings. i happen to think rivers and julio are not good plays and locker and lloyd will outscore both for a few k's less. i could be wrong but the way i see it, it's hard for me to gain projected points with the money i save using a kevin smith or turbin.

 

[Carver]

60K Cap

Brees (home)

A.Foster (home)

K.Smith (home)

B.Marshall (home)

E.Decker (home)

N.Washington (home)

J.Graham (home)

With $100 to spare.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

turbin, dwyer, washington rb's, dwill, locker, lloyd. there is no challenge here. this is why i don't prefer fanduel

If there is no challenge, then it's easy money... right? You dont prefer free money?

if i want to start 2 of them, and locker, who i think will have a 20+ point game, that means i will have to start calvin, who i do not particularly like. i think washington, lloyd and harvin are great starts but if i take them, i will have to go with rice or dmac and sit 1-2 of those great runningback plays

Huh? You know you don't have to spend all your cap, right? Start whoever you want, sit back and collect all that free money.

the reason k smith at 5k is a good deal is because we expect him to put up a good game for cheap which allows you to spend more at other positions without sacrificing points at your rb slot. BUT, that is only helpful if you can use that money you save to improve your team elsewhere. it just so happens that this is a week where i don't feel i could find a way to do that.i either have to leave 4k on the table, or drop someone else i am high on, like locker in favor of brady for example. even though i think brady will outscore locker, i don't think it will be by much this week, like 2-4 points imo. so being forced to spend 4k on only minor improvement somewhat takes away the advantage we mentioned earlier. thats the part i dont like.

this isn't an issue every week. if say, brady was playing GB and locker was playing PIT, then that upgrade would represent +10 points for my team and would be well worth the extra 4k.

i am only comparing the two. i love both but DS allows you to better take advantage of these great plays because it requires more players and has a larger price scale.

Throwing KSmith on a majority of my teams allowed me to essentially go "elite" almost everywhere else. Oh for the record, Rivers for 8100 was a common theme amongst my teams.

i think marshall will score 20 points this weeki think calvin will score 20 points this week

so saving money by downgrading to kevin is not going to help my team very much based on what i expect to happen

It's very possible they could do that and you'd still lose. Starting K.Smith isn't downgrading. There are a lot of people/sites who have him ranked in their top 12 and for good reason. It just so happens he costs 2,000-3,000 less than he should this week. K.Smith allowed me to field a team like this (60k cap)..Rivers

K.Smith

McCoy

Julio

Percy

Marshall

Graham

Clearly, his price tag helps.

it all depends on your own rankings. i happen to think rivers and julio are not good plays and locker and lloyd will outscore both for a few k's less. i could be wrong but the way i see it, it's hard for me to gain projected points with the money i save using a kevin smith or turbin.

You keep framing this as if it's a problem. If you can correctly identify the players who will score the most points, and it just so happens that they're priced low enough that you can roster all of them with money left over, then put them all on your roster. You're under no obligation to spend your entire cap, and you should be able to rake in profits.

 

[flc735]

You keep framing this as if it's a problem. If you can correctly identify the players who will score the most points, and it just so happens that they're priced low enough that you can roster all of them with money left over, then put them all on your roster. You're under no obligation to spend your entire cap, and you should be able to rake in profits.

i know that.i can take better advantage of all these cheap plays on ds, because they have more starting spots and a greater price spread. and i am explaining why i think so because i want to.

 

[TheWick]

Ronnie Brown $4500 > Kevin Smith $5000

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

You keep framing this as if it's a problem. If you can correctly identify the players who will score the most points, and it just so happens that they're priced low enough that you can roster all of them with money left over, then put them all on your roster. You're under no obligation to spend your entire cap, and you should be able to rake in profits.

i know that.i can take better advantage of all these cheap plays on ds, because they have more starting spots and a greater price spread. and i am explaining why i think so because i want to.

Your reasoning appears to be totally backwards. With more roster spots and a greater price spread, more of your competition on DS are likely to land on these top-scoring players simply by chance. They're forced to take more and cheaper players. You're not taking better advantage of the cheap plays, you are forfeiting your supposed advantage of being able to correctly identify them. Your average Fanduel player isn't going to leave $5000 of cap space on the table, that's why it presents an opportunity for you to beat them with your superior projections. You'll be facing a bunch of guys who felt obligated to "upgrade" to Rivers and Julio and you can beat them with Locker and Lloyd, if you actually believe that the latter pair will outscore the former.

 

[flc735]

You keep framing this as if it's a problem. If you can correctly identify the players who will score the most points, and it just so happens that they're priced low enough that you can roster all of them with money left over, then put them all on your roster. You're under no obligation to spend your entire cap, and you should be able to rake in profits.

i know that.i can take better advantage of all these cheap plays on ds, because they have more starting spots and a greater price spread. and i am explaining why i think so because i want to.

Your reasoning appears to be totally backwards. With more roster spots and a greater price spread, more of your competition on DS are likely to land on these top-scoring players simply by chance.

yes, that makes sense but most people don't play that way. a surprisingly high amount of people will not take these obvious plays that we are talking about. thats why the more easy picks i can use, the greater advantage i will have.an example to demonstrate:the best value pick of the year on DS last year was orvlosky playing NE. he was priced at 3k. that was strange because the lowest a starting qb would go is 8k (for a clausen vs. pitt type)anyway, that was clearly a must start for everyone. even if he threw for 100 yards, 1td and 2 int's, he still would have paid off well. despite that, only about a third of the people took him.

 

[(HULK)]

Why is it that Maryland (where I live) and a few other states are not allowed to participate. Drives me nuts as I would totally do this.

 

[flc735]

Why is it that Maryland (where I live) and a few other states are not allowed to participate. Drives me nuts as I would totally do this.

state laws. a few states happen to define this as gambling and not a game of skill (i think)you can just pick a different state, unless you want your checks mailed to you, it doesn't matter

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

yes, that makes sense but most people don't play that way. a surprisingly high amount of people will not take these obvious plays that we are talking about. thats why the more easy picks i can use, the greater advantage i will have.

It's not about whether or not they'll identify and select the obvious value plays. It's that the effect of larger rosters and greater price spreads will inherently force more of your competition to end up with those obvious value plays, not because your competition is better, but because they have no choice. If (like on Fanduel) you only have to select a small roster, and it's not super hard to fit perceived studs like Rivers and Julio on your roster, then most people are going to end up with the expensive "studs." This is where you step in and take advantage of the opportunity to beat them with better players, even if it means leaving a bunch of cap money on the table.On the other hand, if (like on Draftstreet) you have to select more players, and the price curves are steeper, then people will be forced to start adding cheaper guys like Dwyer, Lloyd, etc. Just by nature of the contest, more people will end up hitting on your cheaper value plays, simply by sheer luck. So you lose the advantage you have in being able to identify them, because even some people who can't identify them are going to end up with them anyway.

an example to demonstrate:the best value pick of the year on DS last year was orvlosky playing NE. he was priced at 3k. that was strange because the lowest a starting qb would go is 8k (for a clausen vs. pitt type)anyway, that was clearly a must start for everyone. even if he threw for 100 yards, 1td and 2 int's, he still would have paid off well. despite that, only about a third of the people took him.

I don't know anything about draftstreet so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's anything like Fanduel (and I assume from this discussion that it is) isn't the point to score the most fantasy points, not get the best "value"? If so, why is a guy like Orlovsky a "must start" in that format? If he throws for 100 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT, how does that pay off well? That kind of stat line blows, no matter how little money you paid for it. I get the idea that a cheap starting QB frees up more money to use elsewhere, but you have to draw a line somewhere. I recall he threw for like 350 yards or something that game, so in hindsight it's easy to say everyone should've had him that week, but considering he'd been in the league for years and done nothing up to that point, I wouldn't expect a majority of people to own him even at a severe discount. Certainly not a "must start" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[(HULK)]

Why is it that Maryland (where I live) and a few other states are not allowed to participate. Drives me nuts as I would totally do this.

state laws. a few states happen to define this as gambling and not a game of skill (i think)you can just pick a different state, unless you want your checks mailed to you, it doesn't matter

So, how do I collect if they don't mail me checks?

 

[Saeniph]

How about WR Rod Streater for $4,500?

 

[flc735]

Why is it that Maryland (where I live) and a few other states are not allowed to participate. Drives me nuts as I would totally do this.

state laws. a few states happen to define this as gambling and not a game of skill (i think)you can just pick a different state, unless you want your checks mailed to you, it doesn't matter

So, how do I collect if they don't mail me checks?

paypal, i figured everyone had one of those by now

 

[flc735]

How about WR Rod Streater for $4,500?

thats riiiiiisky. i dont know if he has the upside to make it worth it either. also, oak plays monday so we won't know if moore will play or not by sunday morning. steve smith stl is 4,700, i think he's a better pick if you want to go that cheap

 

[flc735]

It's not about whether or not they'll identify and select the obvious value plays. It's that the effect of larger rosters and greater price spreads will inherently force more of your competition to end up with those obvious value plays, not because your competition is better, but because they have no choice. If (like on Fanduel) you only have to select a small roster, and it's not super hard to fit perceived studs like Rivers and Julio on your roster, then most people are going to end up with the expensive "studs." This is where you step in and take advantage of the opportunity to beat them with better players, even if it means leaving a bunch of cap money on the table.On the other hand, if (like on Draftstreet) you have to select more players, and the price curves are steeper, then people will be forced to start adding cheaper guys like Dwyer, Lloyd, etc. Just by nature of the contest, more people will end up hitting on your cheaper value plays, simply by sheer luck. So you lose the advantage you have in being able to identify them, because even some people who can't identify them are going to end up with them anyway.

the best i can tell you is that you are giving way too much credit to the competition. most actively shy away from these kevin smith/turbin type players and instead fill their rosters with mid-level players who they are familiar with in exchange of the studs. ill post some of their rosters on DS after this weekend. you wont believe how many pass on these cheap runningbacks. ill make a prediction: we will see peterson at $11,755 on more rosters than gerhart at $7,893. yes, its that bad

an example to demonstrate:the best value pick of the year on DS last year was orvlosky playing NE. he was priced at 3k. that was strange because the lowest a starting qb would go is 8k (for a clausen vs. pitt type)anyway, that was clearly a must start for everyone. even if he threw for 100 yards, 1td and 2 int's, he still would have paid off well. despite that, only about a third of the people took him.

I don't know anything about draftstreet so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's anything like Fanduel (and I assume from this discussion that it is) isn't the point to score the most fantasy points, not get the best "value"? If so, why is a guy like Orlovsky a "must start" in that format? If he throws for 100 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT, how does that pay off well? That kind of stat line blows, no matter how little money you paid for it. I get the idea that a cheap starting QB frees up more money to use elsewhere, but you have to draw a line somewhere. I recall he threw for like 350 yards or something that game, so in hindsight it's easy to say everyone should've had him that week, but considering he'd been in the league for years and done nothing up to that point, I wouldn't expect a majority of people to own him even at a severe discount. Certainly not a "must start" by any stretch of the imagination.

in DS, the prices do not have the 4,500 floor you see in fanduel. that means we can find a linear relationship in price vs points scored. (you can do this with fanduel too but its more difficult)there was a big debate about orvlosky during that week on the site and i gave the same argument then as i am now so i am not speaking from hindsight.change the comma to a decimal point and then....in general, 150% is the goal with each pick in DS. what that means is a 15 point game out of a 10k player is very good. or a 30 point game from a 20k guy is very good. that paces your team at 150 points, which will win most of your leagues100, 1 td and 2 int's = 6 points. at 3,000, that equals 200% (2.0X). so at worse, he is going to be a great play. anything beyond a 6 point game was just bonus points.this weeks equivalent in fanduel is roughly blane gabbert for $1,500. i couldn't say thats a must start in fanduel because you can only start 1 qb BUT, if you could start 2 qb's plus 1 more flex like in DS, then i would say he is a must start.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

On the other hand, if (like on Draftstreet) you have to select more players, and the price curves are steeper, then people will be forced to start adding cheaper guys like Dwyer, Lloyd, etc. Just by nature of the contest, more people will end up hitting on your cheaper value plays, simply by sheer luck. So you lose the advantage you have in being able to identify them, because even some people who can't identify them are going to end up with them anyway.

I'm going to have to side with FLC on this one. The common population of FF players isn't even going to be aware of guys like Dwyer, Washington, etc. However, knowing about these kinds of guys only gives you an advantage if it saves you enough money to upgrade elsewhere. On Fanduel, it really doesn't as the spreads just aren't big enough.The more scarce things are in FF, the more the "common" player is separated from the type of player that hangs out on FBG all day. It's the same reason that a more seasoned FF player is going to do consistently better in a 12 team league full of guppies than he is in an 8 team league of guppies. The more that everyone is just picking a bunch of studs, the more luck is involved. The more that people have to identify bargain and low-ranked players, the more separation there is between Johnny Fratboy and Nerdy McFfgeek.It's not like you're picking the kinds of guys listed in this thread because you think they're going to be the top scoring FF player for the week. You're picking these kinds of guys because they have a good chance of having a solid week at a cheap price. Only, on FanDuel with its small spreads, that's not really much of an advantage because it's not really buying you much of an upgrade elsewhere.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's not like you're picking the kinds of guys listed in this thread because you think they're going to be the top scoring FF player for the week.

I agree with all your points. I think the disconnect is that for much of this thread, it does sound like flc is taking these guys because he thinks they'll be the top-scoring player for the week. I could bump 4 or 5 quotes of his from earlier in the thread where he's strongly implying or outright claiming that these cheaper guys are better plays than the expensive guys. Not "better value for the price" but literally "better." If his point all along has been as you describe it, then I think we're all in agreement. Unfortunately it seems he has a hard time getting his points across clearly at times.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

http://fantasy-footballu.com/draftstreet/2012/9/2/draftstreet-best-plays-for-week-1.html

This is my draft street thoughts for week 1:

Quarterback

I was quite upset when I scrolled down and found that Russell Wilson was absent... he would be a must start if they had him listed considering he would have cost around the minimum.. but he wasn't listed, so I'm wasting time and space talking about it

Jake Locker

Price: 10, 440

Considering that most QBs cost the most money and you can get Locker, a running QB , for basically half the price of most guys you want to start, I see this as an absolute play. They came out with these prices before Locker was named starter and this will be the only week hes under 12,500, so I suggest using him while you can. As most of you know, running QBs rule the fantasy world, and that is something Locker is very good at, even if he has a mediocre 200 yards 1 passing td and adds 60 yards rushing, you got good value out of him.

Ryan Tannehill

Price: 7,794

You would think that this would be a better deal than the mentioned above, and while it is a great value, putting trust in a rookie QB on a bottom 5 (talent wise) offense is not something I like to do. I am starting him in quite a few of my leagues, but I felt like being a risk taker and loved how much extra money I had to spend on other positions with the Tannehill Locker combo.

Again, I repeat, they will not be this cheap again the rest of the season, they were only this price to begin with because they were not listed as starters when they came out with the original prices.

Running Back

Deangelo Williams

Price: 8,046

Everyone knows the story with Williams. Trapped in fantasy RB jail since 2009, his immense talents as a runner have been disguised by the lack of touches. But, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, or a light at the end of this week at least, Jonathan Stewart is questionable to doubtful for the opener and the Panthers have a juicey matchup against the Buccaneers. While I expect Tampa to improve this year, Williams usually eats them up, even on small amounts of touches. I see Williams as a top 12 RB option for a RB3/RB4 price

Rashad Jennings

Price: 5,575

Yes, yes, I know MJD reported on sunday. I still belive Jennings will get enough carries to get his value and hes so cheap that it allows you to get higher end guys at the other RB or WR positions( Foster, McCoy, Rice). I dont know, which would you rather have?

Rashad Jennings(5,575) and Ray Rice(16,759) =22,334

Or

Michael Turner( 11,253) and Doug Martin(10,828) = 22,0081

I think the choice is pretty easy.

Wide Receivers

there about 25 WRs that I wouldn't mind starting this week and until we figure out who rises to the top, its essentially a guessing game. If anyone is telling you different, they are lying or think they know more than they do.... Unless of course, they are talking about Calvin Johnson, he is a completely different story and if you can somehow fit him into your team, I suggest doing that.

Player's I like : Hakeem Nicks, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, brandon lloyd, Brandon Marshall, Pierre Garcon, Robert Meachem, Brandon Lafell, Justin Blackmon, Percy Harvin.

Guys I'm staying away from: AJ Green, Miles Austin, Steve Smith (Car),Dwayne Bowe, Desean Jackson

Tight End

Obviously it's nice to have Graham Gronk or Gates sloted in the TE position, but if your looking for some cheap value...

1. Fred Davis

Price:8,424

2.Greg Olsen

Price: 7,123

3.Lance Kendricks:

Price: 5,234

4. Kyle Rudolph:

Price: 6,756

Kickers

Life is like a box of chocolates...

Defense

Two words:

Seattle Seahawks

Price: 4,055

They are my defense pick of the year and I'm going with them week 1. A potentially painful matchup with the QBless Cardinals is a a defensive TD waiting to happen, I can feel it in my bones. The best part is they are one of the cheapest defenses available.

The more money you save , the more money you can use on studs at other positions. Thats the goal people

and thats the Bottom Line....... because I said so?

either way, good luck this week, I will see you guys on tuesday with hopefully promising results!

 

[Chazzhawk]

Lance Moore anyone? 5500 if I recall right and Colston has some nagging injuries. Plus I think the Saints are going to be fired up by winning the appeal for their players. Not to mention you know the Saints have something to prove just like the Patriots of 07.

 

[flc735]

It's not like you're picking the kinds of guys listed in this thread because you think they're going to be the top scoring FF player for the week.

I agree with all your points. I think the disconnect is that for much of this thread, it does sound like flc is taking these guys because he thinks they'll be the top-scoring player for the week. I could bump 4 or 5 quotes of his from earlier in the thread where he's strongly implying or outright claiming that these cheaper guys are better plays than the expensive guys. Not "better value for the price" but literally "better." If his point all along has been as you describe it, then I think we're all in agreement. Unfortunately it seems he has a hard time getting his points across clearly at times.

yes, thats correct. i expect harvin and marshall to be top 5 WRs this week and that puts him ahead of more expensive guys like jordy, roddy, fitz ect...

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's not like you're picking the kinds of guys listed in this thread because you think they're going to be the top scoring FF player for the week.

I agree with all your points. I think the disconnect is that for much of this thread, it does sound like flc is taking these guys because he thinks they'll be the top-scoring player for the week. I could bump 4 or 5 quotes of his from earlier in the thread where he's strongly implying or outright claiming that these cheaper guys are better plays than the expensive guys. Not "better value for the price" but literally "better." If his point all along has been as you describe it, then I think we're all in agreement. Unfortunately it seems he has a hard time getting his points across clearly at times.

yes, thats correct. i expect harvin and marshall to be top 5 WRs this week and that puts him ahead of more expensive guys like jordy, roddy, fitz ect...

Then as I said earlier, your position is nonsensical. If you think they'll be top 5 WRs, then just take them and beat everyone.

 

[flc735]

It's not like you're picking the kinds of guys listed in this thread because you think they're going to be the top scoring FF player for the week.

I agree with all your points. I think the disconnect is that for much of this thread, it does sound like flc is taking these guys because he thinks they'll be the top-scoring player for the week. I could bump 4 or 5 quotes of his from earlier in the thread where he's strongly implying or outright claiming that these cheaper guys are better plays than the expensive guys. Not "better value for the price" but literally "better." If his point all along has been as you describe it, then I think we're all in agreement. Unfortunately it seems he has a hard time getting his points across clearly at times.

yes, thats correct. i expect harvin and marshall to be top 5 WRs this week and that puts him ahead of more expensive guys like jordy, roddy, fitz ect...

Then as I said earlier, your position is nonsensical. If you think they'll be top 5 WRs, then just take them and beat everyone.

my only point was that i prefer DS over fanduel, thats all. i still like fanduel., just because it isn't my favorite doesn't mean i dislike it.with my current fanduel team, i am not able to start

washington

turbin

washington rb's

dwill

locker

wilson

dwyer

s smith

k smith

on draftstreet, i can start an extra 2 of these guys

it seems nonsensical because you are adding implications to my argument even though i am not suggesting them

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Are players priced differently in different leagues on FanDuel? I'm seeing different prices on guys than a lot of people listed here.

For instance above Locker was listed at $10,400 and Tannehill at 7,747. When I look them up Locker is $6100 and Tannehill 5400. There aren't any QBs listed at $10,000+.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Are players priced differently in different leagues on FanDuel? I'm seeing different prices on guys than a lot of people listed here.For instance above Locker was listed at $10,400 and Tannehill at 7,747. When I look them up Locker is $6100 and Tannehill 5400. There aren't any QBs listed at $10,000+.

I think that dude was referring to DraftStreet. All players are priced the same through out the 55k, 60k and 65k caps on Fanduel.