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FBG Health Poll - Flu Shot (1 Viewer)

If you get the flu shot, where do you get it?

  • At my PCP’s office

    Votes: 26 12.7%

  • At my pharmacy

    Votes: 47 22.9%

  • At work

    Votes: 54 26.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 4.4%

  • I don’t get the flu shot

    Votes: 69 33.7%
  • Total voters
    205
Terminalxylem said:
For anyone who elects against flu immunization, how do you feel bout other vaccines?
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I don't think you're implying that anyone is an anti-vaxxer here.  However, the flu vaccine is perceived IMO as "optional".  Most everyone here has no problem with your common vaccinations against mumps, rubella, etc. Those vaccines are known to be 99 and 44/100th effective against those diseases.  The yearly flu one?  Eh, not so much. 

I would venture that those bypassing it are doing so because there's not enough +EV in doing so.  They see the effectiveness of hitting the right strain vs. going without as an acceptable risk.  And, let's face it, a lot of times that gamble pays off.  When it keeps paying off, there's confidence built in that makes it a solid bet year for them after year.

As I've stated above, were it not for the fact that my employer gives it to me for free and puts cash in my HSA for doing so, I probably wouldn't do it either.  In fact, that's what I did until my company started doing this.

 
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Tom Servo said:
I don't think you're implying that anyone is an anti-vaxxer here.  However, the flu vaccine is perceived IMO as "optional".  Most everyone here has no problem with your common vaccinations against mumps, rubella, etc. Those vaccines are known to be 99 and 44/100th effective against those diseases.  The yearly flu one?  Eh, not so much. 

I would venture that those bypassing it are doing so because there's not enough +EV in doing so.  They see the effectiveness of hitting the right strain vs. going without as an acceptable risk.  And, let's face it, a lot of times that gamble pays off.  When it keeps paying off, there's confidence built in that makes it a solid bet year for them after year.

As I've stated above, were it not for the fact that my employer gives it to me for free and puts cash in my HSA for doing so, I probably wouldn't do it either.  In fact, that's what I did until my company started doing this.
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I wasn't trying to suggest those who reject the flu vaccine are anti-vaxxers. Although I think some arguments against flu vaccination are valid, we'll never know how truly impactful the vaccine can be unless enough people get it to promote herd immunity. In that regard it's kinda like paying taxes, where you may not always realize direct benefit, but participate for the overall welfare of society, in particular those less fortunate than yourself. Granted, you won't be thrown in jail for evading vaccination.

As for other vaccines, I'm more interested in non-childhood immunizations. Do people object to the following?

Tetanus booster every 10 years

HPV for older kids/young adults

Shingles at age 50

Pneumonia vaccine at 65 (much younger with chronic medical problems like diabetes or smoking)

Seems like a lot of people use logic that estimates their future risk of illness on past health experience. If that is your assumption, why get any vaccination?

Also, I have no idea what +EV means.

 
Terminalxylem said:
I wasn't trying to suggest those who reject the flu vaccine are anti-vaxxers. Although I think some arguments against flu vaccination are valid, we'll never know how truly impactful the vaccine can be unless enough people get it to promote herd immunity. In that regard it's kinda like paying taxes, where you may not always realize direct benefit, but participate for the overall welfare of society, in particular those less fortunate than yourself. Granted, you won't be thrown in jail for evading vaccination.

As for other vaccines, I'm more interested in non-childhood immunizations. Do people object to the following?

Tetanus booster every 10 years

HPV for older kids/young adults

Shingles at age 50

Pneumonia vaccine at 65 (much younger with chronic medical problems like diabetes or smoking)

Seems like a lot of people use logic that estimates their future risk of illness on past health experience. If that is your assumption, why get any vaccination?

Also, I have no idea what +EV means.
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I didn't think you were suggesting that; IMO one could read that into it.

+EV means extra added value. It's a term used more in the Shark Pool but gets used here once in a while. If I'm guessing (based on my life),  there's no perceived benefit for them to do it plus you end up with a sore arm/side effects/inconvenience that militate against that decision.  I'm not a betting man, but I would suspect that for many, getting a flu shot is like betting $100 to win $2.  The value of a flu-free winter may be higher, but the amount of the "win" is not perceived to be that high to the non-flu shot person.

As for the others, I've not gotten any of those.  I actually passed on the shingles one even though I turn 56 on Friday because our doctor had such a small supply and I felt like others could use it more than I do.  I usually get a tetanus booster if/when I need it (dog bite/stuck by rusty nail/etc.)

 
Every year from a pharmacy.

Takes 10 minutes, and I work in various OR's.  Seems easy enough to make it less likely for myself getting sick or getting others sick.

eta - 

Due to my work I have every vaccine known to man, and probably some man doesn't.

 
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prosopis said:
I just found 29% effective in 2019 by CDC. Not sure where I saw the 9% 
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All right, let me ask the question another way. How effective would the flu vaccine need to be for you to think it is worthwhile? Anyone who chooses against immunization can feel free to answer.

 
Terminalxylem said:
All right, let me ask the question another way. How effective would the flu vaccine need to be for you to think it is worthwhile? Anyone who chooses against immunization can feel free to answer.
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if drug companies are so concerned for your health that they give away free flu shots, why do they continue to include the highly poisonous, heavy metal mercury in each dose?

as a bonus, also included in most immunizations

http://traceamounts.com/ten-lies-told-about-mercury-in-vaccines/

https://drkelley.info/2019/08/02/flu-vaccine-contains-25000-times-more-mercury-than-is-legally-allowed-in-drinking-water/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/dr-oz-warns-about-mercury-in-flu-shots/

 
Obie Wan said:
if drug companies are so concerned for your health that they give away free flu shots, why do they continue to include the highly poisonous, heavy metal mercury in each dose?

as a bonus, also included in most immunizations

http://traceamounts.com/ten-lies-told-about-mercury-in-vaccines/

https://drkelley.info/2019/08/02/flu-vaccine-contains-25000-times-more-mercury-than-is-legally-allowed-in-drinking-water/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/dr-oz-warns-about-mercury-in-flu-shots/
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Wouldn’t pharma companies want to keep patients alive as long as possible, rather than poisoning their customers? Thiomersal in vaccines has never been shown to cause harm btw, but you can get flu vaccines without it.

 
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Terminalxylem said:
All right, let me ask the question another way. How effective would the flu vaccine need to be for you to think it is worthwhile? Anyone who chooses against immunization can feel free to answer.
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Good question. I'm not exactly sure of the answer. I will say pretty damn high.

 
AAABatteries said:
Really don’t understand the “it’s only 25% effective” crowd.
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And what exactly does 25% effective mean? That it only prevents flu in 25% of cases? Or that it is effective against 25% of flu strains? If it is the latter and it is effective against 1/4 of all strains, what if the 1 out of 4 strains makes up 90% or overall active flu viruses as the one is the really commonly found one? Numbers can be spun in so many ways, especially when someone is trying to justify something.

 
DallasDMac said:
And what exactly does 25% effective mean? That it only prevents flu in 25% of cases? Or that it is effective against 25% of flu strains? If it is the latter and it is effective against 1/4 of all strains, what if the 1 out of 4 strains makes up 90% or overall active flu viruses as the one is the really commonly found one? Numbers can be spun in so many ways, especially when someone is trying to justify something.
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I honestly don’t know but when the vast, vast majority of MDs recommend getting it AND most people can get it for free or very cheap AND it has at least some agreed upon non-zero percent of success AND it helps to prevent the spread of the flu to others then I’m baffled by people saying they don’t get it because it’s not 100% effective.

 
DallasDMac said:
And what exactly does 25% effective mean? That it only prevents flu in 25% of cases? Or that it is effective against 25% of flu strains? If it is the latter and it is effective against 1/4 of all strains, what if the 1 out of 4 strains makes up 90% or overall active flu viruses as the one is the really commonly found one? Numbers can be spun in so many ways, especially when someone is trying to justify something.
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Vaccine effectiveness and efficacy explained

 
joffer said:
:lol: @ traceamounts.com
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Those other sites ain't world beaters either. Here's this week's hottest headline from healthimpactnews.com:

MIT Researcher: Glyphosate Herbicide will Cause Half of All Children to Have Autism by 2025
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Current autism prevalence is between 1-2% 

Also, no idea why a dentist and CT surgeon would be considered vaccine experts.

 
As an aside to the flu shot discussion, and because Terminalxylem mentioned it above, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure your teens (especially your teen daughters) get the HPV vaccine. If everyone got on board with this, we’d actually have a shot at eliminating cervical cancer. Although the optimal time for the vaccine is before commencing sexual activity, the vaccine is approved for adults up to age 45. 

 
Otis said:
Why would you NOT get a flu shot?
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It’s literally insane to me. 
 

“well it’s no guarantee to stop the flu!” No kidding stupid, but it decreases your odds of getting it. 

 
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Otis said:
Why would you NOT get a flu shot?
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This - I get it for free every year at work.  I literally write my name on a schedule, walk downstairs at that time, get the shot, and go back to work.  Takes less than 10 minutes.  I will agree that it's not 100% effective, but nobody ever claimed it was.  Currently, out of my work team of 8 folks, 5 of us got the shot, the other 3 didn't.  Those 3 all currently have the Flu as it's been going around.  The folks that got the shot are fine.  Now, conversely, my wife and 2 young kids all got the shot as well.  Unfortunately, my wife is getting over the Flu and has been on Tamiflu for the last 2 days.  The kids and I are currently fine.  [knock on wood].  

Even if I got it, I'd still get the flu shot again next year.  To @Capella's point, Even if it doesn't guarantee, it's less odds.  10 minutes of my time in exchange for better odds of not getting the flu is a no-brainer.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Got one for first time this year.  Had a brutal flu last year where i felt like death for 3-4 days.  Never again.
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That's the kicker right there.  I had the flu bad a few years ago for 3-4 days.  everything hurt, & I mean everything.  we really don't fully appreciate good health until you are sick.   

 
bradyfan said:
Got the shot in Oct.  I know the flu really well because I get it every single year.
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I just wanted make sure you got it with enough time to have an immunologic response - about 4 weeks for most people.

And while you might think you’re sure it’s the flu, getting an actual diagnosis can be helpful, as only those with influenza benefit from Tamiflu, if given early in the course of infection.

 
bradyfan said:
What I don’t get is I should be immune to most common strains by now.   :hot:
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Immunity is incomplete, as we see different strainS each season. Usually just minor changes, but enough to render prior immunity ineffective. And when major shifts occur (often when human flu comingles with animal strains), the resulting strain tends to be more virulent.

 
There seems to be several non-flu viruses hitting kids in the San Antonio area this year. Not sure what the difference is between a flu virus and a non-flu virus. Symptoms sure seem very much alike. 102 fever, aches and pains, etc.

 
DallasDMac said:
There seems to be several non-flu viruses hitting kids in the San Antonio area this year. Not sure what the difference is between a flu virus and a non-flu virus. Symptoms sure seem very much alike. 102 fever, aches and pains, etc.
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There are several common non-Influenza viruses that circulate this time of year that all cause similar symptoms. A flu vaccine only helps prevent Influenza, not any of the others.

I treat 5-10 kids per day with these viruses from December through March. 

 
D_House said:
Flu season is back! Please answer and discuss. Poll option criticism and schtick welcome.

As for me - I get the flu shot at work because its required at work. Only reaction I’ve had is a sore deltoid. If work didn’t require it I probably wouldn’t get it as I don’t have regular health care.
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It's actually a bit late in flu season.  You can get the shot as early as August and still be protected all year.

 
The Commish said:
I get it....you don't know that I am essentially a hermit.  I work from home and the only real interaction I have with the outside world is the baseball team I coach and my church.  It's kind of sad if I think about it, but to the point...I am obsessed with washing my hands and I am around few people outside my immediate family.  Should I ever get the flu or even a bad cold, I usually quarantine myself to the guest room of the house.  I certainly don't go anywhere.  My kids are 12, 7, 2....the oldest two get the flu shot every year and my oldest has probably had the flu 4-5 times.  My youngest a couple.  I don't know if that means they'd get the flu every single year if they didn't have the shots or not, but they seem to get it frequently regardless of getting the shot.
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Some studies show that up to 75% of the people who carry and transmit the flu virus either don't have symptoms or they don't attribute the symptoms to the flu.  Are your muscles just sore from working out or do you have the flu?  Even if you never left the house you can be transferring it back and forth with your family members that, I presume, do leave the house.

 
Got one this year at work after reading the thread where guy almost died.  My son and I both got it wife didn't.  She was pretty sick a few weeks ago thought it may have been flu.  Neither of us got sick.

 
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The Dreaded Marco said:
There are several common non-Influenza viruses that circulate this time of year that all cause similar symptoms. A flu vaccine only helps prevent Influenza, not any of the others.

I treat 5-10 kids per day with these viruses from December through March. 
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Yeah...daughter has been on and off "sick" with the fever and a little cough...saw the doctor once and they could quickly tell it wasn't flu.  This happened to her a couple years ago and she missed 10 days of school as she couldn't kick the fever.  Eventhough, like now, she feels totally fine.

I had the chest funk for about 2 and a half weeks (especially fun as an asthmatic).

 
I get the flu shot every year but I dont really have strong feelings about it like I do other vaccines. 

The shot i got last year hurt for weeks. Specifically using one arm to reach and grab things. Made me think twice about it this time around but I have a toddler so still did it. 

 
The Dreaded Marco said:
It's been terrible.

We've been diagnosing and treating 20-30 kids a day for Influenza over the past few weeks in our clinics.  It's mostly Influenza B thus far which is unusual for this point in the flu season.
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We've had 2 times as many Flu B than Flu A here.  It's a very weird but consistent split over the last month.  Last week's report was 65 Flu B, 38 Flu A (142 RSV, of course).  But those flu numbers keep going up....

 
Flu B definitely seems to be the norm around here, which is unfortunate because I believe this year’s vaccine was only Flu A. One of my coworker’s husband is currently in the ICU, and at one point had less than a 50% chance of surviving with it. He’s only in his twenties, but is a cancer survivor, so I’m sure his organs are pretty shot from the chemo. It’s brutal.

 
Tecumseh said:
Flu B definitely seems to be the norm around here, which is unfortunate because I believe this year’s vaccine was only Flu A. One of my coworker’s husband is currently in the ICU, and at one point had less than a 50% chance of surviving with it. He’s only in his twenties, but is a cancer survivor, so I’m sure his organs are pretty shot from the chemo. It’s brutal.
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The standard vaccine contains protection against A and B strains. I’ve seen a lot of both this season.

 
D_House said:
Flu season is back! Please answer and discuss. Poll option criticism and schtick welcome.

As for me - I get the flu shot at work because its required at work. Only reaction I’ve had is a sore deltoid. If work didn’t require it I probably wouldn’t get it as I don’t have regular health care.
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Can we add a  poll question?

Do you plan to get the corona shot in the fall?

Curious how many NON flu shot people will now want to get both flu and corona or none? 

 
comfortably numb said:
Can we add a  poll question?

Do you plan to get the corona shot in the fall?

Curious how many NON flu shot people will now want to get both flu and corona or none? 
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I never got a flu shot but finally got the flu this year.  I'll probably get both the flu and coronavirus shots when available.

 
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