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FBG QB Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)

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My top 5 observations:

1 The top five look about right if you flip McNabb and Vick.

2 Romo, Young & Leinart above Rivers?

3 Roethlisberger has slipped badly, but this is dynasty rankings. Can he not rebound next year?

4 Cutler is a fantasy GOD (#13) and has not even played a down in the NFL! Maybe Bloom is god... :mellow:

5 Young has inched above Leinart for the first time this year (that I know of).

Anyone else?

 
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My top 5 observations:1 The top five look about right if you flip McNabb and Vick.2 Romo, Young & Leinart above Rivers? 3 Roethlisberger has slipped badly, but this is dynasty rankings. Can he not rebound next year? 4 Cutler is a fantasy GOD (#13) and has not even played a down in the NFL! Maybe Bloom is god... :mellow: 5 Young has inched above Leinart for the first time this year (that I know of).Anyone else?
1) The only reason McNabb is that low is because he hasnt even had his surgery yet. Once we start hearing that his rehab is going well, he'll be back to the top 3.2) Rivers does not excite me for fantasy. I think he'll be a decent starting fantasy QB, but not the kind of QB that will give you an edge over your competition. The other three have the potential to be that kind of QB, are close to, if not better fantasy starts than Rivers right now.3) It pains me to say this as a Steeler fan, but Im worried about Ben's long term confidence. His ranking will bump back up once he strings a couple of solid games together.4) Remember the kind of numbers Plummer was putting up before his career hit the wall? Cutler is more talented than Plummer. A few Qbs below him are on the downswing right now, and could pass him if he struggles and they bounce back, but I still see Cutler no lower than 16th in any scenario.5) Young was originally ahead of Leinart if you reference my rookie rankings from the Spring/early Summer. There were early reports that Young needed more work than anticipated and he looked rawer than Leinart in the preseason. Young has closed that gap and is way ahead of schedule. This week's performance clinched that. As good as Boldin/Fitz are for a QBs fantasy status, being a great runner is even better.Thanks for the feedback! Any and all comments welcome.
 
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Players that I think are too high:

Matt Schaub - He has looked good in the preseason and in extremely limited regular season action but the guy is still a backup in the NFL. I don't see how he can be at 24.

Tony Romo - He's got five starts, a pair of old and often disgruntled wide receivers, and a coach who could retire at the end of the season. The top ten seems a bit too ambitious right now.

Tavaris Jackson - Terrible receiving options and no experience. May not play until 2008. Doesn't sound like top 25 to me.

Player that I think is too low:

Jason Campbell - I basically think he is the same as Jay Cutler but with more time spent learning. He has solid receiving options, a talented RB/OL/D around him, a good offensive minded head coach (albeit one who could retire at any moment), and a "genius" offensive coordinator. He was a three year starter in college with a greater than 60% completion percentage and was drafted in the first round. Guys meeting those criteria have never failed to become good NFL QBs. Plus he is starting right now. Yet he is ranked behind Charlie Frye and three guys who are currently backups in the NFL (Schaub, Jackson, and Garrard).

 
My top 5 observations:1 The top five look about right if you flip McNabb and Vick.2 Romo, Young & Leinart above Rivers? 3 Roethlisberger has slipped badly, but this is dynasty rankings. Can he not rebound next year? 4 Cutler is a fantasy GOD (#13) and has not even played a down in the NFL! Maybe Bloom is god... :mellow: 5 Young has inched above Leinart for the first time this year (that I know of).Anyone else?
1) The only reason McNabb is that low is because he hasnt even had his surgery yet. Once we start hearing that his rehab is going well, he'll be back to the top 3.2) Rivers does not excite me for fantasy. I think he'll be a decent starting fantasy QB, but not the kind of QB that will give you an edge over your competition. The other three have the potential to be that kind of QB, are close to, if not better fantasy starts than Rivers right now.3) It pains me to say this as a Steeler fan, but Im worried about Ben's long term confidence. His ranking will bump back up once he strings a couple of solid games together.4) Remember the kind of numbers Plummer was putting up before his career hit the wall? Cutler is more talented than Plummer. A few Qbs below him are on the downswing right now, and could pass him if he struggles and they bounce back, but I still see Cutler no lower than 16th in any scenario.5) Young was originally ahead of Leinart if you reference my rookie rankings from the Spring/early Summer. There were early reports that Young needed more work than anticipated and he looked rawer than Leinart in the preseason. Young has closed that gap and is way ahead of schedule. This week's performance clinched that. As good as Boldin/Fitz are for a QBs fantasy status, being a great runner is even better.Thanks for the feedback! Any and all comments welcome.
1. I agree completely on McNabb. Just look at what has happened to Culpepper as a cautionary tale for McNabb's outlook.2. I see your point but I think you need to take into consideration that Rivers is the number 10 quarterback this season and there really isn't any reason to expect a drop off. I don't really have any problems with his ranking but would probably drop Romo down and below him and move everyone else up a notch.3. Well said, I expected more from Ben this season but think it was just too much for him to overcome. The accident, the surgery, etc. Next year will be a very important year for his confidence.4. Agree completely on Cutler and think his ranking is spot on. However, as I mentioned above I think every positive that you can list for Cutler is equally applicable to Jason Campbell and yet he is ranked 14 spots lower.Good running game - checkGood offensive system - checkGood receiving talent - checkSolid offensive line - check5. This really depends on scoring system. My league way overvalues QB rushing statistics so I have no problem with your Young ranking.
 
Players that I think are too high:Matt Schaub - He has looked good in the preseason and in extremely limited regular season action but the guy is still a backup in the NFL. I don't see how he can be at 24.Tony Romo - He's got five starts, a pair of old and often disgruntled wide receivers, and a coach who could retire at the end of the season. The top ten seems a bit too ambitious right now.Tavaris Jackson - Terrible receiving options and no experience. May not play until 2008. Doesn't sound like top 25 to me.Player that I think is too low:Jason Campbell - I basically think he is the same as Jay Cutler but with more time spent learning. He has solid receiving options, a talented RB/OL/D around him, a good offensive minded head coach (albeit one who could retire at any moment), and a "genius" offensive coordinator. He was a three year starter in college with a greater than 60% completion percentage and was drafted in the first round. Guys meeting those criteria have never failed to become good NFL QBs. Plus he is starting right now. Yet he is ranked behind Charlie Frye and three guys who are currently backups in the NFL (Schaub, Jackson, and Garrard).
First, I should make clear that I would rather have a guy that has a chance to be a top 15 QB than a guy that is a 20-25 ranked QB and we know that's all he'll ever be. So Schaub is that high because we know A) he will be a starter in this league once he leaves the Falcons and B) he's got the skills to be a top 12-15 fantasy QB (see 2005 NE-ATL game). Romo has been top 5 since he took over. top 10 may even be a little conservative if he keeps this pace up for the rest of the season. I have seen no sign that this a fluke. I refer you to comment above about what I look for in fantasy Qbs beyond the top 20 or so. I want a guy that at least has a chance of being a top 15 qb. Jackson definitely qualifies. He's got the ability to put up some points with his running ability, and has a terrific arm. Like VY, he's also been way ahead of schedule so far. I think he'll get the audition to the starter as early as mid 2007, if he doesnt win the job in training camp. Dont forget that he has Brad Childress as his teacher, the same coach that helped McNabb become what he is today.Campbell is a tougher call. Jeff Pasquino has convinced me that he is nothing special - his preseason really was terrible, especially compared to guys like Gradkowski, Cutler and Jackson. I was already a bit down on him because of the lack of positive buzz about him so far in his career. There's also the question of whether Dan Snyder will be able to tolerate growing pains from a young QB - remember the Brunell/Ramsey situation. I grant that Campbell does have some possible outcomes that would merit a higher ranking. I happen to not buy into them.
 
First, I should make clear that I would rather have a guy that has a chance to be a top 15 QB than a guy that is a 20-25 ranked QB and we know that's all he'll ever be. So Schaub is that high because we know A) he will be a starter in this league once he leaves the Falcons and B) he's got the skills to be a top 12-15 fantasy QB (see 2005 NE-ATL game).
I think that 2005 NE-ATL game is given way to much emphasis by fantasy footballers. Schaub was 18 for 34 for 298 yards and 3 touchdowns. That is certainly an excellent game. However, the Patriots weren't exactly a shut down defense at that point in time. In 2005 the Patriots Defense was 31th in the league in passing yards, 28th in passing touchdowns, and 28th in interceptions. If Ryan Fitzpatrick had only played one game last year (remember in his first game he put up 310 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 Int) would he be ranked in the top 25 right now. I just think that there is too small of a sample size to justify a guy who won't be starting for at least a year and for all we know could be the next Rob Johnson.
Romo has been top 5 since he took over. top 10 may even be a little conservative if he keeps this pace up for the rest of the season. I have seen no sign that this a fluke.
My only concerns are related to the relatively small sample size and the fact that TO and Glenn could simply stop being effective receivers at any moment (TO due to insanity and Glenn to age/injury). I only rate Romo a few spots lower than you so this isn't really that big of a deal.
I refer you to comment above about what I look for in fantasy Qbs beyond the top 20 or so. I want a guy that at least has a chance of being a top 15 qb. Jackson definitely qualifies. He's got the ability to put up some points with his running ability, and has a terrific arm. Like VY, he's also been way ahead of schedule so far. I think he'll get the audition to the starter as early as mid 2007, if he doesnt win the job in training camp. Dont forget that he has Brad Childress as his teacher, the same coach that helped McNabb become what he is today.
On this one I simply plead ignorance. I know basically nothing about Jackson other than that he was a second round pick, isn't starting, and has terrible receivers. I attended the University of Wisconsin during the time that Childress was the offensive coordindator and can not bring myself to believe that he is going to be the architect of a high powered passing offense. I think what you are seeing this year with them trying to kill Chester Taylor with his workload is what you are likely to see in the future from the Vikings.
Campbell is a tougher call. Jeff Pasquino has convinced me that he is nothing special - his preseason really was terrible, especially compared to guys like Gradkowski, Cutler and Jackson. I was already a bit down on him because of the lack of positive buzz about him so far in his career. There's also the question of whether Dan Snyder will be able to tolerate growing pains from a young QB - remember the Brunell/Ramsey situation. I grant that Campbell does have some possible outcomes that would merit a higher ranking. I happen to not buy into them.
Not to be disrespectful to you or Pasquino but I think you're wrong. While he certainly hasn't set the world on fire he has thrown four touchdowns and only one interception in his first two starts. I certainly think that is more relevant than his preseason performance. I would also point out that Joey Harrington tore it up in the preseason a few years ago in Detroit and that had little value in predicting his regular season performance. Or more relevant to Washington, in Spurrier's first year as coach the Skins offense was unstoppable in the preseason, not so much in the regular season though.[edit] I also think it is relavent to note that Campbell has had a different offensive coordinator every year for the past 5 years. I think this probably has a lot to do with the lack of positive buzz and poor preseason performance. With all the preason stories about Al Saunders' 700 page playbook I don't think it is suprising that it took Campbell a while to pick up the intricacies to the point where he could be effective on the field.[/edit]Football Outsiders has done a study on how best to predict QB success based on college performance. They have found that no QB drafted in the first round, with 35 or more college starts, and a completion percentage of greater than 60% has ever failed to become an above average NFL starter. Now this doesn't necessarily translate into good fantasy production but I think when you are talking about guys who haven't really played yet it is a good proxy.Just to be fair, I think your rankings are spectacular and are the most important feature of my Footballguys subscription. It is also easier to look at someone elses rankings and criticize the two or three players that you disagree with than it is to develop your own comprehensive rankings. To be honest my rankings are simply your rankings with players moved up or down based on my opinion. For discussion sake I have included my top 20 QBs below.1. Peyton Manning2. Carson Palmer3. Tom Brady4. Drew Brees5. Michael Vick6. Matt Hasselbeck7. Eli Manning8. Donovan McNabb9. Philip Rivers10. Vince Young11. Matt Leinart12. Tony Romo13. Jake Delhomme14. Ben Roethlisberger15. Jay Cutler16. Jason Campbell17. Alex Smith18. Marc Bulger19. Rex Grossman20. David Carr
 
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First, I should make clear that I would rather have a guy that has a chance to be a top 15 QB than a guy that is a 20-25 ranked QB and we know that's all he'll ever be. So Schaub is that high because we know A) he will be a starter in this league once he leaves the Falcons and B) he's got the skills to be a top 12-15 fantasy QB (see 2005 NE-ATL game).
I think that 2005 NE-ATL game is given way to much emphasis by fantasy footballers. Schaub was 18 for 34 for 298 yards and 3 touchdowns. That is certainly an excellent game. However, the Patriots weren't exactly a shut down defense at that point in time. In 2005 the Patriots Defense was 31th in the league in passing yards, 28th in passing touchdowns, and 28th in interceptions. If Ryan Fitzpatrick had only played one game last year (remember in his first game he put up 310 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 Int) would he be ranked in the top 25 right now. I just think that there is too small of a sample size to justify a guy who won't be starting for at least a year and for all we know could be the next Rob Johnson.
Romo has been top 5 since he took over. top 10 may even be a little conservative if he keeps this pace up for the rest of the season. I have seen no sign that this a fluke.
My only concerns are related to the relatively small sample size and the fact that TO and Glenn could simply stop being effective receivers at any moment (TO due to insanity and Glenn to age/injury). I only rate Romo a few spots lower than you so this isn't really that big of a deal.
I refer you to comment above about what I look for in fantasy Qbs beyond the top 20 or so. I want a guy that at least has a chance of being a top 15 qb. Jackson definitely qualifies. He's got the ability to put up some points with his running ability, and has a terrific arm. Like VY, he's also been way ahead of schedule so far. I think he'll get the audition to the starter as early as mid 2007, if he doesnt win the job in training camp. Dont forget that he has Brad Childress as his teacher, the same coach that helped McNabb become what he is today.
On this one I simply plead ignorance. I know basically nothing about Jackson other than that he was a second round pick, isn't starting, and has terrible receivers. I attended the University of Wisconsin during the time that Childress was the offensive coordindator and can not bring myself to believe that he is going to be the architect of a high powered passing offense. I think what you are seeing this year with them trying to kill Chester Taylor with his workload is what you are likely to see in the future from the Vikings.
Campbell is a tougher call. Jeff Pasquino has convinced me that he is nothing special - his preseason really was terrible, especially compared to guys like Gradkowski, Cutler and Jackson. I was already a bit down on him because of the lack of positive buzz about him so far in his career. There's also the question of whether Dan Snyder will be able to tolerate growing pains from a young QB - remember the Brunell/Ramsey situation. I grant that Campbell does have some possible outcomes that would merit a higher ranking. I happen to not buy into them.
Not to be disrespectful to you or Pasquino but I think you're wrong. While he certainly hasn't set the world on fire he has thrown four touchdowns and only one interception in his first two starts. I certainly think that is more relevant than his preseason performance. I would also point out that Joey Harrington tore it up in the preseason a few years ago in Detroit and that had little value in predicting his regular season performance. Or more relevant to Washington, in Spurrier's first year as coach the Skins offense was unstoppable in the preseason, not so much in the regular season though.[edit] I also think it is relavent to note that Campbell has had a different offensive coordinator every year for the past 5 years. I think this probably has a lot to do with the lack of positive buzz and poor preseason performance. With all the preason stories about Al Saunders' 700 page playbook I don't think it is suprising that it took Campbell a while to pick up the intricacies to the point where he could be effective on the field.[/edit]Football Outsiders has done a study on how best to predict QB success based on college performance. They have found that no QB drafted in the first round, with 35 or more college starts, and a completion percentage of greater than 60% has ever failed to become an above average NFL starter. Now this doesn't necessarily translate into good fantasy production but I think when you are talking about guys who haven't really played yet it is a good proxy.Just to be fair, I think your rankings are spectacular and are the most important feature of my Footballguys subscription. It is also easier to look at someone elses rankings and criticize the two or three players that you disagree with than it is to develop your own comprehensive rankings. To be honest my rankings are simply your rankings with players moved up or down based on my opinion. For discussion sake I have included my top 20 QBs below.
Good discussion here, Q - I definitely think you've made a good case for the possibility that Campbell will turn into a fantasy commodity. On Schaub/NE-ATL 05 - more than the stats, what impressed me about Schaub was his mental toughness hanging in the pocket to make throws, and his willingness to put the ball where only his receivers could make a play on the ball. He made Brian Finneran look like a starting NFL WR. His presence clearly livened up the whole passing offense. I expect him to hit the ground running once he's made a starter somewhere.On the Vikes - Good point about the conservative offense, however, Jackson will provide dimensions with his arm and mobility that Brad Johnson can't, and should tilt the offense back towards real balance.Campbell/preseason - the preseason is still important for looking at things like mechanics, footwork, ability to go through reads, accuracy, and so on. I agree that seeing those in abundance in the preseason is no guarantee that it'll be there in the regular season. But NOT seeing it in the preseason is definitely a red flag. Can Campbell reform? Sure. He's already improved his stance in my eyes, and I'll be watching him closely. I appreciate the kind words and look forward to a great offseason full of dynasty content - we all know that dynasty fantasy football is a year round operation!
 
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Good discussion here, Q - I definitely think you've made a good case for the possibility that Campbell will turn into a fantasy commodity. On Schaub/NE-ATL 05 - more than the stats, what impressed me about Schaub was his mental toughness hanging in the pocket to make throws, and his willingness to put the ball where only his receivers could make a play on the ball. He made Brian Finneran look like a starting NFL WR. His presence clearly livened up the whole passing offense. I expect him to hit the ground running once he's made a starter somewhere.On the Vikes - Good point about the conservative offense, however, Jackson will provide dimensions with his arm and mobility that Brad Johnson can't, and should tilt the offense back towards real balance.Campbell/preseason - the preseason is still important for looking at things like mechanics, footwork, ability to go through reads, accuracy, and so on. I agree that seeing those in abundance in the preseason is no guarantee that it'll be there in the regular season. But NOT seeing it in the preseason is definitely a red flag. Can Campbell reform? Sure. He's already improved his stance in my eyes, and I'll be watching him closely. I appreciate the kind words and look forward to a great offseason full of dynasty content - we all know that dynasty fantasy football is a year round operation!
Good points on Schaub. I've never seen him play and appreciate the insight of those who have. Do you know his contract situation? Specifically when is he likely to get a chance at a starting gig?Offseason, what's that? :D
 
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Good points on Schaub. I've never seen him play and appreciate the insight of those who have. Do you know his contract situation? Specifically when is he likely to get a chance at a starting gig?Offseason, what's that? :D
Schaub is an RFA this year, just like Michael Turner. Atlanta should offer him the highest possible tender to make his price a 1st and 3rd round pick. Will a team pay that? Depends on how desperate they are. I could definitely see Atlanta signing Schaub and trading him for a 1st round pick if anyone is willing pony up (maybe even a 2nd), depending on the progression of DJ Shockley.Bottom line: Schaub is a starter no later than opening day 2008. Write it down in ink.
 
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Good points on Schaub. I've never seen him play and appreciate the insight of those who have. Do you know his contract situation? Specifically when is he likely to get a chance at a starting gig?Offseason, what's that? :D
Schaub is an RFA this year, just like Michael Turner. Atlanta should offer him the highest possible tender to make his price a 1st and 3rd round pick. Will a team pay that? Depends on how desperate they are. I could definitely see Atlanta signing Schaub and trading him for a 1st round pick if anyone is willing pony up (maybe even a 2nd), depending on the progression of DJ Shockley.Bottom line: Schaub is a starter no later than opening day 2008. Write it down in ink.
I agree...add Tarvaris Jackson and Seneca Wallace to that list as well...
 
Good points on Schaub. I've never seen him play and appreciate the insight of those who have. Do you know his contract situation? Specifically when is he likely to get a chance at a starting gig?

Offseason, what's that?

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Schaub is an RFA this year, just like Michael Turner. Atlanta should offer him the highest possible tender to make his price a 1st and 3rd round pick. Will a team pay that? Depends on how desperate they are. I could definitely see Atlanta signing Schaub and trading him for a 1st round pick if anyone is willing pony up (maybe even a 2nd), depending on the progression of DJ Shockley.Bottom line: Schaub is a starter no later than opening day 2008. Write it down in ink.
:goodposting: one step closer
 
Good points on Schaub. I've never seen him play and appreciate the insight of those who have. Do you know his contract situation? Specifically when is he likely to get a chance at a starting gig?Offseason, what's that? :D
Schaub is an RFA this year, just like Michael Turner. Atlanta should offer him the highest possible tender to make his price a 1st and 3rd round pick. Will a team pay that? Depends on how desperate they are. I could definitely see Atlanta signing Schaub and trading him for a 1st round pick if anyone is willing pony up (maybe even a 2nd), depending on the progression of DJ Shockley.Bottom line: Schaub is a starter no later than opening day 2008. Write it down in ink.
Bloom predicted not only that Schaub would start but the exact details of the tradeYou rock Bloom :lmao:
 
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I like Bloom's foresite on a lot of players, but Schaub now has something to prove. After being ranked high by Bloom for some time, it will be interesting to see how he fits into Houston as a starter. Personally I think he will be a major upgrade. I think that there will be some major growing pains (oline), but I see him progressing quickly and becoming a top 15 QB by year 2. He is mobile for his size and seems like a good game manager.

 
I think the rankings are actually pretty good. The only thing that looks suspect is that there are five first year starters in the top 15 (Romo, Cutler, Young, Leinart, and Rivers). I'm sure one or two of these guys will join the pantheon of elite passers, but you have to think a couple of these passers will fade into relative FF obscurity like former "flavor of the week" players Pennington, Carr, Ramsey, Leftwich, Couch, Leaf, and Akili.

I like the upside of Leinart, Young, and Cutler, but am I ready to make these guys my starting QB on my dynasty team? Not without a good backup plan.

One of the things you learn playing dynasty leagues is that it's very risky business to assume that flashy prospects are going to develop into consistent stars. Teams who rely on untested young guys are putting themselves in a dangerous spot if they don't hedge their bets with some decent depth.

 
1. Peyton Manning 3/24/1976

2. Carson Palmer 12/27/1979

3. Drew Brees 1/15/1979

4. Marc Bulger 4/5/1977

5. Tom Brady 8/3/1977... Bulger over brady.. more attempts and better weapons.

6. Matt Hasselbeck 9/25/1975

7. Donovan McNabb 1/25/1976... Hass over McNabb since McNabb has been shut down 2 yrs in a row.

8. Philip Rivers 12/8/1981

9. Mike Vick 6/26/1980

10. Ben Roethlisberger 3/2/1982

11. Eli Manning 1/3/1981.. Eli over Roeth/Roeth over Eli.. toss up; But i rather Roeth.

12. Vince Young 5/18/1983... has no #1 or #2 Wr right now.. some people need to be reminded of that.

13 Tony Romo 4/21/1980.. Romo over Leinhart since Dallas is a better team as a whole

14. Matt Leinart 5/11/1983

15. Jake Delhomme.. may return to solid form.. but for now I would pass.

16. Alex Smith 5/7/1984.. Has more playing time than Cutler; however Cutler has better weapons

17. Jay Cutler 4/29/1983

18. Jason Campbell 12/31/1981

19. Rex Grossman 8/23/1980... he did get to the superbowl

20. Byron Leftwich 1/14/1980

 

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