Finally, an NFL team in Los Angeles? (1 Viewer)

[EYLive]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

 

[GDogg]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

 

[Tom Servo]

<yawn>

Even if they get one it won't last. So Cal won't care or stay interested for very long.

I don't get this. Please explain.

Both the Rams and the Ray-duhs played there and left.

Besides, if LA gets a team, how will the NFL and the Ginger Hammer force choke existing cities to pony up for new stadia?

They left over stadium deals (money).

They still left.

 

[timschochet]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

None on FM?

 

[GDogg]

<yawn>

Even if they get one it won't last. So Cal won't care or stay interested for very long.

I don't get this. Please explain.

Both the Rams and the Ray-duhs played there and left.

Besides, if LA gets a team, how will the NFL and the Ginger Hammer force choke existing cities to pony up for new stadia?

They left over stadium deals (money).

They still left.

Yeah, one person (the murderous ##### Georgia Frontierre) decided to take the money in St. Louis and run after 50 years in L.A. The Raiders were always Oakland's team (regardless of what Magic says).

And, they'd only come back with a new stadium, so problem solved.

 

[mr roboto]

<yawn>

Even if they get one it won't last. So Cal won't care or stay interested for very long.

I don't get this. Please explain.

Both the Rams and the Ray-duhs played there and left.Besides, if LA gets a team, how will the NFL and the Ginger Hammer force choke existing cities to pony up for new stadia?

Its such a huge market though. Even if as a % only half as many people watch football in LA as in WI or MN or Louisiana, that's still a net greater fan base.

 

[timschochet]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

I did that for the first time last year for the UCLA-USC game. Instead of paying $60-$80 for parking right by the Colisseum, I paid $5, parked around 5 miles away, and took the rail. Very convenient!

 

[Politician Spock]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

 

[timschochet]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

None on FM?

Don't think so.

 

[EYLive]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

I did that for the first time last year for the UCLA-USC game. Instead of paying $60-$80 for parking right by the Colisseum, I paid $5, parked around 5 miles away, and took the rail. Very convenient!

Coming from the westside, the parking lots are free (just gotta get there early), and $3 for the round trip. :thumbsup:

 

[GDogg]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

 

[Politician Spock]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

True. But for some reason the NFL doesn't like the LA coliseum. Too old? Lack of luxury boxes? I don't know. If they knocked it down to put up a new NFL specific stadium, the NFL would probably jump at it.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'd like to see Alaska get a team. Seems like they are just totally neglected by sports up there. Can't we get them an NHL team, at the least?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

None on FM?

Don't think so.

Just for reference, much smaller market, NO has 3 sports stations on FM, two more on AM and another on AM that provides a good deal sports talk. That's 6.

 

[Politician Spock]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

 

[GDogg]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

True. But for some reason the NFL doesn't like the LA coliseum. Too old? Lack of luxury boxes? I don't know. If they knocked it down to put up a new NFL specific stadium, the NFL would probably jump at it.

Yes and yes. And, with all due respect to the Trojan fans, it's an awful place to watch a football game. It wasn't designed for football and the sight lines are bad and you are too far away (with some exceptions).

 

[EYLive]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

Didn't know about 830. I'm gonna try out the Travis Rodgers Show, it's gotta be better than Cowherd and Dan Patrick, right?

 

[GDogg]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

I mean local people who never attended either UCLA or Southern Cal go to the games because they are fans of the respective football teams. I'd estimate, at the very least, half of each of the crowds are not current students or alums.

 

[timschochet]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

Didn't know about 830. I'm gonna try out the Travis Rodgers Show, it's gotta be better than Cowherd and Dan Patrick, right?

Sorry I don't know. I listen to that station for the Angels broadcasts (Im a fan) but that's about it.

 

[EYLive]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

True. But for some reason the NFL doesn't like the LA coliseum. Too old? Lack of luxury boxes? I don't know. If they knocked it down to put up a new NFL specific stadium, the NFL would probably jump at it.

I should have noted that LA Live/Staples (and possibly Farmers Field) are just a few stops from the Coliseum, so the fans could still take public transportation to the new stadium.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

ESPN, FOX and ?

There's two ESPN stations- 710 and 830. 830 carries the Angels. 710 has the Lakers, 570 (Fox) has the Dodgers.

None on FM?

Chicago has 3 full-time 24/7

670 am the score

1000 am ESPN

87.7 the game FM

than par-time

720 AM WGN for Cubs and blackhawks games

WBBM 780 AM and 105.9 FM for Bears

 

[Politician Spock]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

I mean local people who never attended either UCLA or Southern Cal go to the games because they are fans of the respective football teams. I'd estimate, at the very least, half of each of the crowds are not current students or alums.

I just went to the UCLABruins.com website. As a non-school affiliated "fan", I can get a ticket to the UCLA/Memphis game three weeks from now for only $20.

Doesn't seem like NFL level revenue to me. Sorry.

 

[GDogg]

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

I mean local people who never attended either UCLA or Southern Cal go to the games because they are fans of the respective football teams. I'd estimate, at the very least, half of each of the crowds are not current students or alums.

I just went to the UCLABruins.com website. As a non-school affiliated "fan", I can get a ticket to the UCLA/Memphis game three weeks from now for only $20.

Doesn't seem like NFL level revenue to me. Sorry.

Sweet. You should jump on that.

What does that have to do with anything we are talking about, though? It's not NFL level revenue.

It's a college football game and prices are set according to opponent. Most expensive college football tickets. Three of the top 25 most expensive tickets are UCLA games at the Rose Bowl (average ticket price is $422, $339, and $317, respectively), and the most expensive ticket is a game involving UCLA. The Coliseum is hosting another for Southern Cal. So, five of the top 25 most expensive college football tickets this season involve the two L.A. schools.

UCLA also has the fifth most expensive college tickets in the country. Southern Cal has the 16th most expensive. Link.

 

[grateful zed]

what if they get thirsty?

 

[Politician Spock]

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

I mean local people who never attended either UCLA or Southern Cal go to the games because they are fans of the respective football teams. I'd estimate, at the very least, half of each of the crowds are not current students or alums.

I just went to the UCLABruins.com website. As a non-school affiliated "fan", I can get a ticket to the UCLA/Memphis game three weeks from now for only $20.Doesn't seem like NFL level revenue to me. Sorry.

Sweet. You should jump on that.

What does that have to do with anything we are talking about, though? It's not NFL level revenue.

It's a college football game and prices are set according to opponent. Most expensive college football tickets. Three of the top 25 most expensive tickets are UCLA games at the Rose Bowl (average ticket price is $422, $339, and $317, respectively), and the most expensive ticket is a game involving UCLA. The Coliseum is hosting another for Southern Cal. So, five of the top 25 most expensive college football tickets this season involve the two L.A. schools.

UCLA also has the fifth most expensive college tickets in the country. Southern Cal has the 16th most expensive. Link.

You made the argument that "huge amounts" doesn't come from the school, but from the surrounding market of non-school affiliated fans. While that may be true, I don' see how that applies in anyway to the NFL.

The college football business model can pack a 100,000 seat stadium in the middle of Podunk, Pennsylavia; BFE, Georgia; and Third Corn Field On The Left, Iowa. If the big donors to the school don't buy all the tickets for hundreds a peice, then they can sell the rest for $5 a peice on game day for kids under 12 like UCLA does to fill up the stadium with all the alumni's kids.

The NFL business doesn't work in those areas. NFL teams don't have big donors to the organization the team represents. They don't have thousands of alumni with white collar salaries and kids they want to go to their alma mater. Would the Jacksonville Jaguars get better attendence if they relocated to State College, PA?

Taking a model that works in Podunk, PA and showing it works in LA too doesn't mean anything to the NFL.

The NFL needs a big market of blue colar working people, a way to move the huge crowd in and out, and modern stadium. LA only meets one of those criteria right now.

 

[hagmania]

"Mark knows there's only one place he can go -- that's L.A. San Antonio? Come on now. Come on."

Someone should remind Ervin that L.A. has lost two teams and currently has none. Texas is crazy nuts about football, Central Texas would be wild for this team.

Don't expand. In terms of relocating, the Jags do make sense. But the big problem is the regional alignment. The tv contracts mean that the networks won't allow one network to suddenly gain a huge jump in markets (and another network to suddenly have a huge drop in market share) by allowing a team to switch conferences. The Rams of course would make the most sense in that regard, they are already in the NFCW and their STL contract is also essentially done. The Raiders of course are also in the AFCW.

It has to be the Raiders or Rams.

It doesn't matter if San Antonio is "crazy nuts" about football. They have the Dillon Panthers to root for.

LA is prime time. Any Texas city by comparison is small potatoes.

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.

Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

We seem to do fine with USC Trojan games. Lots of fans take the light rail to and from the Coliseum with no problems.

True. But for some reason the NFL doesn't like the LA coliseum. Too old? Lack of luxury boxes? I don't know. If they knocked it down to put up a new NFL specific stadium, the NFL would probably jump at it.

See the bold.

If a city has a good tv market (LA √) and can sell its PSLs/luxury boxes (which is why LA needs to build a stadium), it can have a prosperous NFL team.

 

[GDogg]

Passion plus population equals terrific market. See New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, Green Bay.Apathy plus population = might as well be Kenosha or Paducah.

L.A. needs to build a stadium that will attract people, beautiful sight lines of the hills, by the water, something like that which will make the games events in themselves. But that will likely cost too much and large swaths of land aren't available in those areas. Of course there's also downtown, and that might happen, because L.A. loves real estate development most of all.

The problem LA suffers with is there really is no place to put an NFL stadium where the huge crowd that an NFL game needs can get in and out of quickly. Large cities like NY, Chicago, and SF use their city's people movers (trains, subways) to get people to and from the game. Smaller NFL cities can handle the crowd being 100% car traffic. LA's traffic sucks, and deters enough of the population from going that filling an NFL stadium to capacity is difficult despite the huge population surrounding it. Sports like baseball, basketball, hockey and soccer can function with smaller crowds in LA, but an NFL team can't.

Large college football stadiums are larger than NFL stadiums. And, L.A. currently has two that are larger than any NFL stadium.

That's because college football games for a long, long time have been social events. It's the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one. Even today some of the best seats at a college game are being used by old farts who don't really give two ####s about football.

And? Huge amounts of people that have no affiliation to either UCLA or Southern Cal still flock to each of those stadiums 7 times per year. I don't think an ownership group will give two ####s why anyone shows up as long as they show up. And, they will.

What do you mean by "huge amounts"? Give me a number of people at those games that aren't there because of the school the teams represent.

I mean local people who never attended either UCLA or Southern Cal go to the games because they are fans of the respective football teams. I'd estimate, at the very least, half of each of the crowds are not current students or alums.

I just went to the UCLABruins.com website. As a non-school affiliated "fan", I can get a ticket to the UCLA/Memphis game three weeks from now for only $20.Doesn't seem like NFL level revenue to me. Sorry.

Sweet. You should jump on that.

What does that have to do with anything we are talking about, though? It's not NFL level revenue.

It's a college football game and prices are set according to opponent. Most expensive college football tickets. Three of the top 25 most expensive tickets are UCLA games at the Rose Bowl (average ticket price is $422, $339, and $317, respectively), and the most expensive ticket is a game involving UCLA. The Coliseum is hosting another for Southern Cal. So, five of the top 25 most expensive college football tickets this season involve the two L.A. schools.

UCLA also has the fifth most expensive college tickets in the country. Southern Cal has the 16th most expensive. Link.

You made the argument that "huge amounts" doesn't come from the school, but from the surrounding market of non-school affiliated fans. While that may be true, I don' see how that applies in anyway to the NFL.

The college football business model can pack a 100,000 seat stadium in the middle of Podunk, Pennsylavia; BFE, Georgia; and Third Corn Field On The Left, Iowa. If the big donors to the school don't buy all the tickets for hundreds a peice, then they can sell the rest for $5 a peice on game day for kids under 12 like UCLA does to fill up the stadium with all the alumni's kids.

The NFL business doesn't work in those areas. NFL teams don't have big donors to the organization the team represents. They don't have thousands of alumni with white collar salaries and kids they want to go to their alma mater. Would the Jacksonville Jaguars get better attendence if they relocated to State College, PA?

Taking a model that works in Podunk, PA and showing it works in LA too doesn't mean anything to the NFL.

The NFL needs a big market of blue colar working people, a way to move the huge crowd in and out, and modern stadium. LA only meets one of those criteria right now.

No, I brought up the point about unaffiliated fans because you claimed that "[college football stadiums are] the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one." The huge amount of unaffiliated fans are not important persons for the school and do not desire to be one. They are people who have become fans of the local schools and want to go to football games (and maybe get really drunk and fight each other).

I was more countering your argument than making one, but this applies to the NFL because, right now, Southern Cal and UCLA are the only high level football that L.A.-area residents can see live locally at the moment. Many, though not all, unaffiliated college football fans are also NFL football fans. And, even if it doesn't apply, the L.A. market has proven that they will attend NFL games (for two teams even). They just won't pay for a publicly funded stadium.

With regard to the bolded, which one?

The LA market moves huge crowds in and out of the Rose Bowl, Coliseum, Dodger Stadium, Staples Center/LA Live, and, if you want to throw in Orange County, then also the Big A and Honda Center (or Pond or whatever). It also moves large crowds in and out of the Forum, Pauley Pavilion and the Galen Center. They also somehow move large crowds in and out of Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, and Magic Mountain on a daily basis. I'm sure I'm forgetting even more venues that get packed year round and yet somehow people are able to get in and out.

The only issue the NFL has with L.A. right now is the lack of a modern NFL stadium.

ETA: And, NFL stadiums don't need to pack 100K anywhere. The largest NFL stadium is in NJ and holds 88,000. The average NFL attendance is about 68,000. That's not going to be a tough number to hit for a county of roughly 10 million people and a greater L.A. area of 16.4 million people who manage to support two MLB baseball teams, two NHL teams, two major college football and basketball teams, and two NBA teams.

 

[Politician Spock]

No, I brought up the point about unaffiliated fans because you claimed that "[college football stadiums are] the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one." The huge amount of unaffiliated fans are not important persons for the school and do not desire to be one. They are people who have become fans of the local schools and want to go to football games (and maybe get really drunk and fight each other).

This is the second time you've said "huge amount". I asked you to be more specific, but you just gave me a guess.

This seems to be your premise for you argument, but it's not a premise I agree with.

For a college football game, the area surrounding the game is the place alumni lived for four years of their life. Most of them are there for much more than just the football game itself. They come early. They stay late. Many come the day before. Many leave the day later. It's a reunion for them. They go to their old college hangouts, and relive their college years for the entire day, or the entire weekend. The "get in and get out" type fan is a small percentage of a college football game.

An NFL game is the opposite. The "get in and get out" type fan is a large percentage of an NFL football game. Even the bars only gain a few hours of heavy business hours before and hours after the game. They gain no additional business the day before or the day after a game. But the area around a college game will see increase in business for the entire weekend.

Again, I respect the fact that you disagree with me. But just pulling a number out of your ### isn't going to convince me differently of what I observe. If you've got a study that shows I'm off base, I'd be interested in it.

That said, we agree LA needs a modern stadium. The only thing we seem to be in disagreement about is the need for a city the size of LA to need "people movers" to that new modern stadium. I believe an NFL team in LA would struggle if the stadium didn't have that. Unless of course fans of the new LA team would behave like college fans and hang out in the area for days surrounding the game. Places like Pittsbugh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Detroit, etc, etc... don't have that issue. 100% of the fans can get in and out in cars relatively quickly. In NY, Chicago, SF, and LA, not so much.

 

[EYLive]

If LA were to get a team, I hope to God they don't host many Monday night or Thursday night games. Traffic would be even more of a mess. No problems for Sunday though.

 

[17seconds]

Los Angeles also has 3 sports talk stations- what does that prove?

that both Chicago and LA has enough sports fans to keep them in business.

I just want another team

Yeah I can tell. You are past the boundaries of common sense.

Saying the LA market is less than 4mil people and thinking the NFL would have a 2nd Chicago team before putting the first one in LA. LA had 2 NFL teams for 13 years.

 

[GDogg]

No, I brought up the point about unaffiliated fans because you claimed that "[college football stadiums are] the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one." The huge amount of unaffiliated fans are not important persons for the school and do not desire to be one. They are people who have become fans of the local schools and want to go to football games (and maybe get really drunk and fight each other).

This is the second time you've said "huge amount". I asked you to be more specific, but you just gave me a guess.

This seems to be your premise for you argument, but it's not a premise I agree with.

For a college football game, the area surrounding the game is the place alumni lived for four years of their life. Most of them are there for much more than just the football game itself. They come early. They stay late. Many come the day before. Many leave the day later. It's a reunion for them. They go to their old college hangouts, and relive their college years for the entire day, or the entire weekend. The "get in and get out" type fan is a small percentage of a college football game.

An NFL game is the opposite. The "get in and get out" type fan is a large percentage of an NFL football game. Even the bars only gain a few hours of heavy business hours before and hours after the game. They gain no additional business the day before or the day after a game. But the area around a college game will see increase in business for the entire weekend.

Again, I respect the fact that you disagree with me. But just pulling a number out of your ### isn't going to convince me differently of what I observe. If you've got a study that shows I'm off base, I'd be interested in it.

That said, we agree LA needs a modern stadium. The only thing we seem to be in disagreement about is the need for a city the size of LA to need "people movers" to that new modern stadium. I believe an NFL team in LA would struggle if the stadium didn't have that. Unless of course fans of the new LA team would behave like college fans and hang out in the area for days surrounding the game. Places like Pittsbugh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Detroit, etc, etc... don't have that issue. 100% of the fans can get in and out in cars relatively quickly. In NY, Chicago, SF, and LA, not so much.

It's not the premise for my argument. It's simply another point. The premise of my argument is that Los Angeles has gigantic population and the residents go to lots and lots and lots of entertainment events, including sports events (for six professional franchises and two major college universities). Those residents would go to NFL games at least at the league average.

And, respectfully, I don't think you understand the L.A. college football market very well. UCLA and Southern Cal are in a gigantic metropolis unlike the many college towns throughout the country that draw large numbers.

UCLA is basically a commuter school. And, the Rose Bowl is nowhere near it. People aren't getting nostalgic and reliving their glory days. They are grilling on the golf course with their families a couple hours before the game and playing catch with their kids. UCLA fans, unless they are from Pasadena, did not hang out in Pasadena while in college. They are "getting in and getting out."

Southern Cal might be more akin to what you are talking about, but, considering the area immediately surrounding it, I doubt many alums are going out to local bars and restaurants in South L.A. after football games. They are heading downtown just like many of the NFL fans would.

So, the get in and get out type fan is exactly what you have in L.A., including with respect to college sports.

This is all beside the point. When the Rams were in L.A., they were routinely among the leaders in attendance. Attendance, of course, had some peaks and valleys depending on the success of the team that season, but prior to Georgia signaling the Rams were leaving, the Rams had very good attendance at both the Coliseum and Anaheim Stadium. L.A. attendance for an NFL franchise would not be an issue. 15 of the the top 20 attendance figures in the NFL were in Los Angeles. And, until 2005, Los Angeles held the record for the largest all-time attendance for a single game.

However, both of the stadiums the Rams (and Raiders) played in sucked in terms of generating revenue for the Rams. They lacked the PSLs/luxury boxes needed to generate revenues that NFL owners want. So, they left, but it was to get the revenue of a new stadium. Not to get butts in the seats.

 

[Politician Spock]

No, I brought up the point about unaffiliated fans because you claimed that "[college football stadiums are] the place to be seen if you are an important person for the school, or desire to be one." The huge amount of unaffiliated fans are not important persons for the school and do not desire to be one. They are people who have become fans of the local schools and want to go to football games (and maybe get really drunk and fight each other).

This is the second time you've said "huge amount". I asked you to be more specific, but you just gave me a guess.

This seems to be your premise for you argument, but it's not a premise I agree with.

For a college football game, the area surrounding the game is the place alumni lived for four years of their life. Most of them are there for much more than just the football game itself. They come early. They stay late. Many come the day before. Many leave the day later. It's a reunion for them. They go to their old college hangouts, and relive their college years for the entire day, or the entire weekend. The "get in and get out" type fan is a small percentage of a college football game.

An NFL game is the opposite. The "get in and get out" type fan is a large percentage of an NFL football game. Even the bars only gain a few hours of heavy business hours before and hours after the game. They gain no additional business the day before or the day after a game. But the area around a college game will see increase in business for the entire weekend.

Again, I respect the fact that you disagree with me. But just pulling a number out of your ### isn't going to convince me differently of what I observe. If you've got a study that shows I'm off base, I'd be interested in it.

That said, we agree LA needs a modern stadium. The only thing we seem to be in disagreement about is the need for a city the size of LA to need "people movers" to that new modern stadium. I believe an NFL team in LA would struggle if the stadium didn't have that. Unless of course fans of the new LA team would behave like college fans and hang out in the area for days surrounding the game. Places like Pittsbugh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Detroit, etc, etc... don't have that issue. 100% of the fans can get in and out in cars relatively quickly. In NY, Chicago, SF, and LA, not so much.

It's not the premise for my argument. It's simply another point. The premise of my argument is that Los Angeles has gigantic population and the residents go to lots and lots and lots of entertainment events, including sports events (for six professional franchises and two major college universities). Those residents would go to NFL games at least at the league average.

And, respectfully, I don't think you understand the L.A. college football market very well. UCLA and Southern Cal are in a gigantic metropolis unlike the many college towns throughout the country that draw large numbers.

UCLA is basically a commuter school. And, the Rose Bowl is nowhere near it. People aren't getting nostalgic and reliving their glory days. They are grilling on the golf course with their families a couple hours before the game and playing catch with their kids. UCLA fans, unless they are from Pasadena, did not hang out in Pasadena while in college. They are "getting in and getting out."

Southern Cal might be more akin to what you are talking about, but, considering the area immediately surrounding it, I doubt many alums are going out to local bars and restaurants in South L.A. after football games. They are heading downtown just like many of the NFL fans would.

So, the get in and get out type fan is exactly what you have in L.A., including with respect to college sports.

This is all beside the point. When the Rams were in L.A., they were routinely among the leaders in attendance. Attendance, of course, had some peaks and valleys depending on the success of the team that season, but prior to Georgia signaling the Rams were leaving, the Rams had very good attendance at both the Coliseum and Anaheim Stadium. L.A. attendance for an NFL franchise would not be an issue. 15 of the the top 20 attendance figures in the NFL were in Los Angeles. And, until 2005, Los Angeles held the record for the largest all-time attendance for a single game.

However, both of the stadiums the Rams (and Raiders) played in sucked in terms of generating revenue for the Rams. They lacked the PSLs/luxury boxes needed to generate revenues that NFL owners want. So, they left, but it was to get the revenue of a new stadium. Not to get butts in the seats.

Sounds like LA is really ####ed up. It's no wonder the NFL has passed on it.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Latest Rumor says Rams to announce move to LA after Super Bowl:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512175/st-louis-rams-rumor-team-reportedly-relocating-to-los-angeles-will-announce-after-super-bowl/

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

The article says the report came out of ESPN Radio in St. Louis.

-QG

 

[hagmania]

Hope they change names/colors. Never liked the Los Angeles Rams imo.

 

[Bucky86]

Anyone but the raiders

 

[cstu]

Latest Rumor says Rams to announce move to LA after Super Bowl:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512175/st-louis-rams-rumor-team-reportedly-relocating-to-los-angeles-will-announce-after-super-bowl/

-QG

- The Hollywood Park racetrack closes

- Kroenke buys 60 acres next door to it

- Rams can break their lease after the season

- Rams move to Los Angeles

 

[cstu]

If LA were to get a team, I hope to God they don't host many Monday night or Thursday night games. Traffic would be even more of a mess. No problems for Sunday though.

If the stadium is built in Inglewood it will be much less of a problem than the other locations discussed, but I don't expect the NFL to give them more than one a year.

 

[Joe Summer]

Hope they change names/colors. Never liked the Los Angeles Rams imo.

They could revert to the uniforms that they used in the '60s, although they look a little bit too much like the Colts' unis.

I like the realistic Ram horns on the 1949 uniforms, though.

 

[17seconds]

We're gonna Ram It!

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Latest Rumor says Rams to announce move to LA after Super Bowl:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512175/st-louis-rams-rumor-team-reportedly-relocating-to-los-angeles-will-announce-after-super-bowl/

-QG

- The Hollywood Park racetrack closes

- Kroenke buys 60 acres next door to it

- Rams can break their lease after the season

- Rams move to Los Angeles

Love it. a good spot too, next to the GW Forum.

That article also says the Rosebowl could temporarily host the team while the stadium is being built but I doubt that really happens. City of Pasadena is rich enough to stop the traffic madness that would ensue. I mean, even for UCLA games the only two arteries in and out of the area gets clogged for hours before and after the game. No way the residents there accept an NFL level traffic which I would imagine will be worse with the added media coverage and all. And that golf course is toast if that happens, the cost of maintaining it after games I would imagine will skyrocket. Coliseum would be more realistic or even the Honda Center in Carson, though I don't know if that stadium is equipped for a football game. Currently the LA Galaxy plays there and not much else.

 

[EYLive]

You mean Stubhub center? It only holds about 30,000 people.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

You mean Stubhub center? It only holds about 30,000 people.

didnt realize they changed the name. so not NFL worthy.

 

[Eephus]

The LA area has multiple NFL sized stadiums that could be used in the short-term while Kroenke builds in Inglewood. The bigger question is whether the other owners will allow him to move to a lucrative market and cut into their future proceeds from placing an expansion team there.

The Rams do have the argument that they're returning to their ancestral homeland but I don't know how much that's worth in millions of dollars.

 

[cstu]

“There’s a strong belief, people that are in–that I believe are in the know–multiple people, have told me that the decision has already been made and that the team is moving,” one of the hosts of 101 ESPN said in a recent show.

“Somebody told you that, really?” sharply questioned another.

“Yes.”

 

[Dondante]

LA Stars

or

Hollywood Nights

 

[Jayrod]

I wonder how devastated St. Louis will be? That's an awfully big arena to use for just concerts and HS championship games.

 

[NewlyRetired]

You mean Stubhub center? It only holds about 30,000 people.

didnt realize they changed the name. so not NFL worthy.

It was the Home Depot Center before Stub Hub signed the new deal. It seats 27,000, but has a grass area that can pack in 3kish more but that area is only allowed to be very rarely by the local college which controls the rules. For example no more than 15k is allowed to be sold mid week during the school year.

 

[ShamrockPride]

When I lived there I found almost no one really cared they didn't have a team.

It's ####en LOS ANGELES. There are a million things to do on any of the 340 perfect sunny 75-80 degree days there. Vastly overpaying for an NFL game would be very low on that list.