First IDP draft (1 Viewer)

[JBIZZLE]

This is my first time doing an IDP draft. Our league will have LB's, CB'S, and S's. We are really generous in the points on the defensive side of the ball, so it works out to being about even with RB's points-wise.

When do you recommend drafting IDP's?

The draft is 32 rounds. What are some hints?

 

[Jene Bramel]

to the Forum and IDP!

While team specific questions are better placed in the IDP AC, we haven't had a good general discussion of when to draft IDPs for at least a full year. I'm going to move this one to the main Forum to get some discussion going again.

There are also some good threads in the pinned FAQ with some older discussion along with some other good general pointers.

 

[bcr8f]

This is my first time doing an IDP draft. Our league will have LB's, CB'S, and S's. We are really generous in the points on the defensive side of the ball, so it works out to being about even with RB's points-wise.When do you recommend drafting IDP's?The draft is 32 rounds. What are some hints?

Do you have a link to your league? Need to see your scoring system to answer this. While I always wait some draft Patrick Willis in the 2nd - 4th rounds. I usually don't go IDP until the 6th.

 

[JBIZZLE]

Blocked Punt or FG return for TD 7 Each Interception 5

Each Fumble Recovered 4 Blocked Punt, PAT or FG 4

Each Safety 5 Each Sack 4

Interception Return TD 7 Fumble Return TD 7

Each Fumble Forced 2 Every Assisted Tackle 1

Every Solo Tackle 2 Every 5 Total Tackles 2

Each Tackle for Loss 1 Passes Defensed 2

These are the points for IDP

Also we start 1QB/2RB/2WR/1WR(RB)/1TE/2CB/2LB/2S/1DP/1K

 

[buck56]

This is my first time doing an IDP draft. Our league will have LB's, CB'S, and S's. We are really generous in the points on the defensive side of the ball, so it works out to being about even with RB's points-wise.When do you recommend drafting IDP's?The draft is 32 rounds. What are some hints?

how many teams?

 

[JBIZZLE]

This is my first time doing an IDP draft. Our league will have LB's, CB'S, and S's. We are really generous in the points on the defensive side of the ball, so it works out to being about even with RB's points-wise.When do you recommend drafting IDP's?The draft is 32 rounds. What are some hints?

how many teams?

8 teams

 

[massraider]

This is my first time doing an IDP draft. Our league will have LB's, CB'S, and S's. We are really generous in the points on the defensive side of the ball, so it works out to being about even with RB's points-wise.

When do you recommend drafting IDP's?

The draft is 32 rounds. What are some hints?

how many teams?

8 teams

Small league. I'd wait. And I'd really wait on CBs. Like, I'd take my kicker first. Take CBs from bad teams, or ones that play across from studs, or ones on teams that run the Cover 2 defense.

No D-linemen?

 

[JBIZZLE]

No D-lineman

 

[Jene Bramel]

Was hoping for a more general discussion in the main forum.

In general, even though defensive players score as well as offensive players, IDPs won't come off the board until much later. Some leagues will see the first IDP come off the board during the fourth round, others not until the 9th or later. Most are somewhere in between. You'll probably have to take an IDP in the late 4th - early 5th if you want one of the top two or three stud players.

If you're joining an established league, previous drafts will give you an idea of the windows.

In leagues where you're starting relatively few IDPs, you can slough the IDP positions until later in your draft if you're sure you can get good value. After the top players, there's usually a deep enough group in the 8-20 range that there's not much difference between the back end LB1 and LB2 tiers.

Your particular situation is interesting. I've not seen a league without DEs and the DBs separated into their separate positions. You'll need to decide whether you want to slough both DB positions until late and when you want to attack the linebacker positions. With only eight teams, it's probably best to identify a couple of top CB targets in this system and possibly safeties as well and let the LBs slide. Only 24 linebackers will start (assuming everyone starts a LB at flex) and you'll have a higher relative advantage by having two top corners and safeties (among 16 starting slots).

That might sound counter-intuitive since LBs score as much as RBs, but I'll bet you'll find that the difference between the #5CB and the #15CB is much greater than the difference between the #5LB and the #15LB. The #15LB should also be easier to predict than the #15CB. It's the relative advantage you want in your lineup, not the raw point total.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'd wait. And I'd really wait on CBs. Like, I'd take my kicker first. Take CBs from bad teams, or ones that play across from studs, or ones on teams that run the Cover 2 defense.

Interesting. I'd think you could get guys like Curtis Lofton and Ray Lewis as the 15 and 16 linebackers off the board, while targeting a CB duo of Antoine Winfield and Charles Tillman earlier and do much better than reaching after Barrett Ruud and Jonathan Vilma while settling for two lesser corners.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Generally speaking again, this is where knowing the ins and outs of your scoring system and lineup requirements leads you to different drafting strategies. massraider isn't incorrect to suggest sloughing IDPs until very late while stockpiling offensive talent, but I definitely think there are different ways to approach a draft based on the setup.

I'd be pushing DEs over CBs if they were included in this league and suggest LBs over DBs if corners and safeties were grouped together and not responsible for over 50% of your lineup.

 

[JBIZZLE]

Thanks for the tips. I completely understand your point. There is a 150 point difference between the top Safety and the 15th safety. I will definitely be grabbing Gibril Wilson or Eric Weddle early!

 

[massraider]

massraider isn't incorrect to suggest sloughing IDPs until very late while stockpiling offensive talent, but I definitely think there are different ways to approach a draft based on the setup.

Yeah, my strategy is based on the assumption that I have studied IDP more than the other guy, and I have faith in my ability to get solid players later. Because it's the first draft, it is also tough to say how early the IDP's go. As you know, every league drafts differently.One other consideration is that if you load up on offense, it's usually easier to trade offense for defense.

 

[JBIZZLE]

So. If I go IDP in the 4 or 5th round....how should I go with my first few picks? Should I try and grab a QB in the 3rd? or get two decent RB, 1 good WR and then go for a 2nd tier QB after a top IDP? I have a feeling a few of these teams will grab QB's early.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So. If I go IDP in the 4 or 5th round....how should I go with my first few picks? Should I try and grab a QB in the 3rd? or get two decent RB, 1 good WR and then go for a 2nd tier QB after a top IDP? I have a feeling a few of these teams will grab QB's early.

I wouldn't think you'd need to draft an IDP in this setup until pretty deep into the draft, probably 8th round at the earliest, especially if you choose to hold off taking LBs until 10-12 have come off the board. Were it me, I think I'd plan to draft offensive players until I exhausted relative advantage at those positions and that may well take you through your flex starters and a depth player or two at RB/WR. I'd be flexible and begin mixing in IDPs with the idea of taking a stud corner and/or safety when the linebackers start coming off the board, then take backers after 10-12 have been drafted.Flexibility is key when you don't know how a draft will go down, though.

 

[Knobs]

I'm another IDP newcomer...great thread.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Ok, for my contribution to the general draft strategy thread for n00bs, I'd advise them all to use some site to rank all players by their specific scoring, look at how many players get used at each position, and draft based on scarcity.

Drafting and value in fantasy football is all about scarcity at position, and this will change according to your particular roster and league size.

Also, just 'cuz some guy scored a particular amount last year, don't assume he's a lock to do the same this year --- just as you wouldn't a player on offense.

Situations change, and that's what you want to stay on top of.

 

[Tenacious]

So. If I go IDP in the 4 or 5th round....how should I go with my first few picks? Should I try and grab a QB in the 3rd? or get two decent RB, 1 good WR and then go for a 2nd tier QB after a top IDP? I have a feeling a few of these teams will grab QB's early.

I wouldn't think you'd need to draft an IDP in this setup until pretty deep into the draft, probably 8th round at the earliest, especially if you choose to hold off taking LBs until 10-12 have come off the board. Were it me, I think I'd plan to draft offensive players until I exhausted relative advantage at those positions and that may well take you through your flex starters and a depth player or two at RB/WR. I'd be flexible and begin mixing in IDPs with the idea of taking a stud corner and/or safety when the linebackers start coming off the board, then take backers after 10-12 have been drafted.Flexibility is key when you don't know how a draft will go down, though.

This does vary by league. Mine is a 12 team with a limited bench. So while IDPs won't really start coming off the board until everyone's starting offense is mostly drafted (rd. 6 - 8), the cream of the crop may get nabbed earlier. If I want P-Will, I better plan on a 4th or 5th round grab or he'll be long gone. Having said that, our 2 super bowl teams last year both waited on defense until at least round 7. So that's a strong argument for such a strategy.

 

[Tenacious]

Ok, for my contribution to the general draft strategy thread for n00bs, I'd advise them all to use some site to rank all players by their specific scoring, look at how many players get used at each position, and draft based on scarcity.Drafting and value in fantasy football is all about scarcity at position, and this will change according to your particular roster and league size.Also, just 'cuz some guy scored a particular amount last year, don't assume he's a lock to do the same this year --- just as you wouldn't a player on offense.Situations change, and that's what you want to stay on top of.

Yeah I use the Draft Dominator and it ranks the top IDPs pretty high with our settings, on the overall list. But I can usually wait longer than the tool would suggest to get some top talent. I used Dominator last year and I think this year I'll do things differently. We've always done IDP but the majority of my league members are not really that well informed on players and situations, etc. So this year I plan on possibly taking 1 or 2 top LBs and then basically waiting until the end of the draft for the rest since there will be tons of undrafted value available still. So there's so many factors involved, league size, bench size, transaction limits, scoring settings, level of IDP knowledge in the league, etc., etc. But as a general rule I would agree with others here and wait until round 8 or so unless you think you'll miss out all the top talent before then.

 

[Rovers]

In a tackle heavy IDP league redraft, 12 team format, I went Beason in the 5th, Ryans in the sixth. Now I can wait on my next LB (start3) and still have about the best LB corp on the league. There is always a cost going IDP early, and into the 8th round I have only R Wayne and Cotchery for WR's, but in my scoring system, these 2 LB's screamed value. I tend to go heavy on RB, (Gore, R Brown and R Rice in this case, can start 3) and on LB's.... I like to get those players who put up points consistantly every week. WR's are more sporadic, and can blow up one week and disappear for 3.

I led the LB run.... and try to avoid runs at any position. I still need a QB in this draft, but only 2 teams lack a QB, and I'm fine with the players left at that position for another round or two, just have to pick a QB before others start to take their bye week QB.

The scoring system posted by the OP is big play heavy, and this is the problem with drafting IDP players... the scoring systems vary so much, it's hard to say just when to start drafting them.