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Fitzpatrick signs long-term with Buffalo (1 Viewer)
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
People are excited about this?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty sure everyone knows who the Amish Rifle is by now. A-R takes even less time to type than Fitz.
Chaka
Footballguy
Is it really so difficult to type Ryan Fitzpatrick?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
He has probably earned a contract of this size, though he's still trying to become the first Bills QB to play a whole season in 4 or 5 years. Of course he also has better RB/WR/TE combo than previous Bills QBs/years.
I do still wonder whether his arm is strong enough for winter games in Buffalo. If he can keep this high % game going all year it's worth the money though.
I do still wonder whether his arm is strong enough for winter games in Buffalo. If he can keep this high % game going all year it's worth the money though.
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Luke Skywalker
Guest
Damn.
For comparison's sake, Drew Brees' current contract is almost identical.
For comparison's sake, Drew Brees' current contract is almost identical.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He's a nice story but they won't get to where they want to go with the Amish Rifle.
its slightly less than the cassel deal. he is better than cassel. cassel signed 2 yrs ago and salaries have risen quite a bit since. in short, its a ton better than the cassel deal. the most recent qb deal was kevin kolb.7/29/2011: Signed a six-year, $65 million contract. The deal contains $21.5 million guaranteed. 2011-2016: Under Contract, 2017: Free Agent
Sea Duck
Footballguy
PLAYER A: 3353 yards, 59.3% completions, 22 TDs, 13 INTs, 83.2 passer rating, .529 record as starterPLAYER B: 3152 yards, 59.9% completions, 21 TDs, 16 INTs, 79.4 passer rating, .413 record as starter
PLAYER C: 3176 yards, 57.6% completions, 23 TDs, 13 INTs, 80.9 passer rating, .472 record as starter
Which one is Cassel and which one is Fitzpatrick?
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Those are 16-game averages.
glumpy
breeze
Yup. Fitz is a receiver who has no expectation of signing with Buffalo. Those seven letters count.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
.... as a frustrated Larry Fitz owner, suffering through the mediocrity that is KOLB ... I'd be psyched if he DID sign with Buffalo
That being said, good for the Amish Rifle ... Gailey has built something legitimate up there on offense, and they are a fun team to watch.
redBourne
Footballguy
Come on ~ don't keep me wondering !
coolnerd
Footballguy
Would guess that A is Cassel. he had that year in New Englnd which got him a contract. KC had a good record last year.
for their careers? realize that fitz has improved every year. also, lol qb rating.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
PLAYER A is Matt Cassel, 2008-2011 (16-game average)PLAYER B is Ryan Fitzpatrick, 2008-2011 (16-game average).
Both players became starters in 2008 and both put up decent stats over the past few years. Cassel has been a little bit better.
PLAYER C is also Matt Cassel -- minus his stats for New England. As you can see, he's still on par with Fitzpatrick.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
except for the fact that one player is ascending and the other is desending...
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Cassel sucks. Though for Buffalo's purposes there are many other higher-profile QBs who would not be as suited to what they're trying to do.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Lame way to include older stats that show well for Cassel, and show poorly for Fitz, but still portraying it as 1 season of football...
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Oh, you mean the contract that Brees signed in 2006?
Sea Duck
Footballguy
How is that any better than just looking at 6 games for Fitzpatrick?I would have posted their cumulative totals but I figured the Shark Pool would be thrown off by the sample sizes:
PLAYER A: 10839 yards, 59.4% completions, 72 TDs, 41 INTs, 83.6 passer rating, 27-24 record as starter
PLAYER B: 7804 yards, 59.3% completions, 52 TDs, 40 INTs, 78.3 passer rating, 16-22-1 record as starter
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Luke Skywalker
Guest
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Although I have no idea how you bringing that up that constitutes "ownage" of any kind.Oh, you mean the contract that Brees signed in 2006?
I simply thought it was interesting.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
They are both in completely different situations right now. The stats you show may be fair indicators of how their careers match up, but pretty poor indicators of which is the better QB right now.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I think he assumed you thought Fitz wasn't worth what he got, and that you were using a Brees contract to qualify that thought.. I assumed the same.. Problem if you were, is that Brees contract is out of date. And on top of that, it doesn't reflect his current production, or the production that everyone knows Brees for. All of his big years came after the contract.02-05 average - 3031.75yrds 19.75tds06-10 average - 4585.8yrds 30.8tdsYes, that's exactly what I meant. Although I have no idea how you bringing that up that constitutes "ownage" of any kind.Oh, you mean the contract that Brees signed in 2006?
eakfootball
Footballguy
they've secured a decade of 6-10 and 7-9 seasons.
Underachievers
Footballguy
Yeah...whew...I was confused when I saw the title of the thread.
Did anyone actually think that the OP was referring to Larry Fitzgerald?
duaneok66
Footballguy
no kidding.
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Luke Skywalker
Guest
Don't assume. I was simply making an observation. Nothing more,nothing less. I have little interest in "owning" or being "owned" in some ######ed message board fight.If anything, Brees has been very underpaid under his current deal, although I wasn't really trying to point that out either. Like I said, I just thought it was interesting.
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Lester Long
Footballguy
See I would say you are trying to use only this years stats only to make 1 look better than the other. I would bet at the end of the year the Chiefs have a better record than the Bills and it will be common opinion that Cassell is better than Fitz. Cassell is only 1 year removed from a 27 TD 7 int year and we have only played in 6 games. they are both 29 so age helps or hurts neither
Lester Long
Footballguy
Yep. I think Fitzpatrick is worth the money just don't think he is as good as 6 games this year indicate.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The thing that fantasy players seem to forget, is that the QB position is about more than just pure stats. For instance, comparing Fitz's and Cassel's stats is just silly if you don't take into consideration what defenses they played again. Buffalo had one of the top 3 toughest schedules in the league last year. KC had one of the easiest in league history. The year Cassel started for New England, the Patriots also had one of the easiest schedules in the league that year. That stuff matters.
So does leadership and the ability to perform during the clutch. Tony Romo puts up good looking numbers, but he isn't a very good leader and he chokes in the clutch. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a terrific leader. The coaching staff and his fellow players love him and play harder for him. He's also come up big in big situations lots of times, even going back to last season.
And why do I compare Fitzpatrick to Romo? Well, their contracts just happen to be almost the exact same contracts, only Romo signed his 3 or 4 years ago.
So does leadership and the ability to perform during the clutch. Tony Romo puts up good looking numbers, but he isn't a very good leader and he chokes in the clutch. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a terrific leader. The coaching staff and his fellow players love him and play harder for him. He's also come up big in big situations lots of times, even going back to last season.
And why do I compare Fitzpatrick to Romo? Well, their contracts just happen to be almost the exact same contracts, only Romo signed his 3 or 4 years ago.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Since Fitz's first season starting he's gotten better. Since Cassel's first season, he's gotten worse. Of course a Cassel/Cheif's fan want's to live in the past if he's comparing the two...
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Good point. I notice that you have singled out Cassel's 2008 and 2010 seasons. I wonder why you didn't mention Cassel's 2009 season? Could it be because KC had a tougher strength of schedule than Buffalo that year? (KC had the #9 SOS, Buffalo was #12).Cassel was quite mediocre in 2009. Yet he still put up better stats than Fitzpatrick (despite playing a tougher schedule).All this talk about leadership and intangibles is fine and dandy, but how about we wait until the end of the season before concluding that Buffalo's 4-2 record actually means more than KC's 3-3 record.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Both statements are patently false. In fact, both Cassel and Fitzpatrick regressed in their 2nd seasons as starters, then improved in their 3rd season. Where they differ is that Fitzpatrick has continued to improve through 6 games of his 4th season.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I said since his first season he's gotten better/worse, I didn't say it was a steady incline or decline either way.. Fitz is better this season then the first season he started. Cassel is worse.. And as someone said before, Cassel's good seasons where against historically easy schedules..
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Of COURSE Buffalo's 4-2 record means more than KC's 3-3 record. Not only has Buffalo beaten better teams than KC, but they've played a much more difficult schedule. And let's not forget that absolute beatdown Buffalo laid on KC in Week 1 before KC lost all those good players. If these two teams hadn't already played, I could understand being more hesitant to compare their records. But they DID play and there was a CLEAR winner. To ignore that is insanity.I guess I'd be grasping at straws too if the future of my favorite team rested on Todd Haley and Matt Cassel.And hanging your hat on 2009, or any post-Patriots year for Matt Cassel is just humorous. The numbers may be ok, but anyone that has watched Cassel since then can't possibly say he's a good QB unless they're blinded by their homerism.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Do you think I'm from Kansas City or something? I just think it's hilarious that people automatically assume that Fitzpatrick is SO MUCH better than Cassel, when their career stats as starters (including both good teams and bad teams, both easy schedules and bad schedules) are VERY SIMILAR, and Cassel actually OUTPLAYED Fitzpatrick during a season when FITZPATRICK HAD AN EASIER SCHEDULE.Personally, I think Cassel is mediocre. And I think Fitzpatrick is mediocre too. I wouldn't have given either one of them long-term contracts.This thread's going to get bumped in 2014 when both QBs have lost their starting gigs.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I don't know how I feel about the signing. If this means Ralph is finally gonna open up the wallet and pay his players then great. But if Ralph continues to be Ralph of old and we can't or won't resign Stevie or Freddie cause of how much we're paying Fitz then I am going to hate this deal. Fred is the MVP of this team and he needs to get paid before anyone else.
PewterFan
Footballguy
The Bills should sign him to a 1-year deal, if his contract expires after this season, but he turns 31 in 4 months.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Outplayed in 2009? I don't think so. Again, the important thing is to try to compare their stats and somehow adjust for their opponents. Luckily, the fine folks at FootballOutsiders do just that. For 2009, their defensive adjusted rankings have Fitzpatrick ranked 34th. Not good at all. Cassel was ranked 44th. Oof.Cassel well outranked Fitzpatrick in 2010. Cassel was ranked 14th and Fitzpatrick was ranked 21st.
So far in 2011, Fitz is ranked 8th. Cassel is ranked 33rd. Yuck.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
I said "outplayed", not "outranked". Cassel outplayed Fitzpatrick in 2009. Better stats, better record, against tougher opponents.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Alright, my last word on this. For now 
Fitzpatrick's deal places him as the 16th highest paid QB over the life of his deal and 14th over the first 3 years (thanks FootballOutsiders). Once Brees gets paid, that number will drop one place I'm sure.
Is it really outrageous to say that Fitzpatrick is at least an average QB and should be paid as the average?
Fitzpatrick's deal places him as the 16th highest paid QB over the life of his deal and 14th over the first 3 years (thanks FootballOutsiders). Once Brees gets paid, that number will drop one place I'm sure.
Is it really outrageous to say that Fitzpatrick is at least an average QB and should be paid as the average?
