Football analyst love for Vick (1 Viewer)

[ufshowboat]

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far?

I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.

In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.

In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.

So how does somebody like Jon Gruden go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.

How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????

I do believe in second chances.

I do believe that Vick served his time.

I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.

However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Gruden is a joke.

*Edit for Gruden (not Jaws)

 

[Breesisdaman]

Tonight he deserves all the props he is getting. I think he has made a life turn as well as a transformation into what might be one of the greatest to ever play the game. That is from a former Vick hater/Saints fan.

 

[benm3218]

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far? I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????I do believe in second chances.I do believe that Vick served his time.I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Jaws is a joke.

no not all. wrong forum. i like vick a lot

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"?

 

[Late225]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"?

I don't have a problem with them saying great things about someone who's been away from football and came back as long as he has. I do have a problem with the amnesia these announcers have from week to week. I love watching tapes from a week or two ago to see how much an announcer's stance can change on a player in such a short period of time.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"? :(

Can anyone confirm this? I would be !!! Yeah sure, Vick looks great as a football player, but please do not sell me some sob story about how much he has overcome and struggled. It was his decision to brutally murder dogs for fun.

 

[Romofan]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"? :(

Can anyone confirm this? I would be !!! Yeah sure, Vick looks great as a football player, but please do not sell me some sob story about how much he has overcome and struggled. It was his decision to brutally murder dogs for fun.

I don't rememberanybody saying "personal tragedy" ....Also it was Gruden who said he got "choked up" by the way he has turned his life around....

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's been a running annoyance for me for two years hearing people on TV talking about what he's gone through, what has happened to him, what he's endured and what he's overcome.

 

[ScottyDog]

You don't seem to really believe what you typed in the bold. If you did, you wouldn't have posted this thread.

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far?

I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.

In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.

In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.

So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.

How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????

I do believe in second chances.

I do believe that Vick served his time.

I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.

However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Jaws is a joke.

 

[JbizzleMan]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"?

Can anyone confirm this? I would be !!! Yeah sure, Vick looks great as a football player, but please do not sell me some sob story about how much he has overcome and struggled. It was his decision to brutally murder dogs for fun.

I don't rememberanybody saying "personal tragedy" ....Also it was Gruden who said he got "choked up" by the way he has turned his life around....

Jeez..."choked up?"I used to like Gruden. Why do some people feel that way about Vick?? I'm not hoping he fails and I'm not rooting for him to succeed. The guy is making millions playing football. It's not like he has this selfless life devoted completely to philanthropy. I just don't understand the love affair with his story. It was completely brought on by himself.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The media...check that...people in general love someone hitting rock bottom (even when it is their own fault for the drop there) and then pulling themselves back up, not only to where they were, but to an even higher place than they were before.

 

[Romofan]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"?

Can anyone confirm this? I would be !!! Yeah sure, Vick looks great as a football player, but please do not sell me some sob story about how much he has overcome and struggled. It was his decision to brutally murder dogs for fun.

I don't rememberanybody saying "personal tragedy" ....Also it was Gruden who said he got "choked up" by the way he has turned his life around....

Jeez..."choked up?"I used to like Gruden. Why do some people feel that way about Vick?? I'm not hoping he fails and I'm not rooting for him to succeed. The guy is making millions playing football. It's not like he has this selfless life devoted completely to philanthropy. I just don't understand the love affair with his story. It was completely brought on by himself.

........IMO it sounded to me that they were marelling at teh "player" he had become....not the person. He seems to be a humble coachable player now and is turning into possibly one of the best QB's to ever play the game. Gruden clearly was talking about getting choked up about his "comeback" in terms of football through adversity (how ever you define that). Like I said they acknowledged right before that blurb that they realize everyone is going to have different opinions about Michael Vick the person...their praise was for the performance on the field as being one of the best they had ever seen at the position.Football players admiring football players

 

[Romofan]

The media...check that...people in general love someone hitting rock bottom (even when it is their own fault for the drop there) and then pulling themselves back up, not only to where they were, but to an even higher place than they were before.

agreeyou could see how people were wishing for Mike Tyson to do the same thing even though he never could....people love to witness that...

 

[geoff8695]

hanus acts

There's no "a-n-u-s" in heinous. I'm such a juvenile (and giddy from the 50+ pts. Vick got me in two leagues tonight) that I stopped reading from this point on...

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Truth be told, the way Vick has come back, changed his life and become a better player, and by all accounts, person...is a great story.

If you really mean that you are giving someone a clean slate by which to gauge their character, abilities and accomplishments, how can you not admire how Vick has done a 180?

One of the most important lessons I'll teach my kids is recovering from failure. That it doesn't matter how you got knocked down...it matters how you got back up.

I'll admit...I didn't think Vick had the character to pull this off and admittedly, I don't know the man so any judgment I'm making about his personal rehabilitation is awfully removed from what actqually may be the case. But in terms of realizing the error of ones ways as it related to how he took his athletic gifts for granted, and taking 100% responsibility for his not fulfilling his potential, he's authored quite a comeback and reclamation story. He may be the best player in the NFL now.

 

[geoff8695]

For the record, I don't worship Vick.

Happy about his performance on the field, sure. Not particularly interested in ever having him over for dinner though.

It's easy to get angry at Vick as he's made so many bad decisions in life, but at least he has paid a high price for his sins. Others have actually been directly responsible for or in some way involved in the deaths of actual human beings, and still not had to suffer the level of punishment that Vick has.

Do you get upset at the amount of praise Ray Lewis receives? Do you get equally upset at the athletes that have gotten drunk and committed vehicular manslaughter while under the influence? (Leonard Little comes to mind - but he's not the only one, and their have been other athletes involved in or at least by proximity been around fatal shootings or violent acts against people over the years).

I guess, no matter how they are presented, I just don't see athletes as role models (at least not based on success on the field alone). Many professional athletes are over privileged brats, and unfortunately just as in any segment of society a few are sociopaths. Many also act more despicably, and with a greater sense of entitlement than the average American. For every Mia Hamm/Kurt Warner/Roger Staubach/Tim Tebow, there are about a hundred athletes I would never care to meet in real life, or have any real sense of pride in for their character.

However, for Mike Vick's sake (as a human being), I really hope he has changed. I can't tell you whether or not he has, and wouldn't want to wager that he in fact truly has. I also won't be shedding any tears for the 8 to 9 digits worth of bank, and the 2-3 years of his career that he cost himself with his inexcusable actions off the field.

It's a great comeback story right now, and if 'jaws' or any other talking heads want to get a little carried away because it makes for great drama/story/etc. then so be it. I don't have to agree with them, or prop Vick up as any kind of a role model and won't let it bother me that he's getting the accolades.

 

[Sagan]

I don't know.. I don't think particular has "recovered from failure". That's like saying his independent grocery store went out of business. Nor do I think that he has paid a "high price" fro his crimes. He had fame and millions of dollars. He ran a dog Dachau in which he gleefully and sadistically participated. He served less than two years in jail and now he's got fame and millions again.

Anyway... just playing devil's advocate, I guess, but Vick is going to have to do a lot of good OFF the field before I can look at him with anything but disgust.

 

[gregjcross]

Did Jaworski really say "personal tragedy"?

I don't have a problem with them saying great things about someone who's been away from football and came back as long as he has. I do have a problem with the amnesia these announcers have from week to week. I love watching tapes from a week or two ago to see how much an announcer's stance can change on a player in such a short period of time.

My only question: Why are all the other NFL coaches so blind as to have ignored him, Im talking to you Miami, Cleveland, KC, Seattle, Oakland, among others.

 

[cvnpoka]

talking heads employ hyperbole to fill air space. news at 11.

 

[creeps1313]

Truth be told, the way Vick has come back, changed his life and become a better player, and by all accounts, person...is a great story.If you really mean that you are giving someone a clean slate by which to gauge their character, abilities and accomplishments, how can you not admire how Vick has done a 180?One of the most important lessons I'll teach my kids is recovering from failure. That it doesn't matter how you got knocked down...it matters how you got back up.I'll admit...I didn't think Vick had the character to pull this off and admittedly, I don't know the man so any judgment I'm making about his personal rehabilitation is awfully removed from what actqually may be the case. But in terms of realizing the error of ones ways as it related to how he took his athletic gifts for granted, and taking 100% responsibility for his not fulfilling his potential, he's authored quite a comeback and reclamation story. He may be the best player in the NFL now.

Well put.And if he ain't the best..he's by far the most "electrifying!". He's up there with Chris Johnsons performance last year! An 88 yard TD pass...one the first freaking play...on Primetime...SICK!Sincerely,Jaws Jr.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

My only question: Why are all the other NFL coaches so blind as to have ignored him, Im talking to you Miami, Cleveland, KC, Seattle, Oakland, among others.

Not much precedent for signing a guy who just spent 2 years in jail.

 

[LHUCKS]

The punishment was disproportionate to the crime.

Go Mike!!

 

[LHUCKS]

He served less than two years in jail

exorbitant.We really jail human beings for killing animals?They eat dog in China...and I'm not being funny.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

We really jail human beings for killing animals?

Maybe, but that's not what Vick was jailed for.

 

[riggidy]

Vick was convicted and has served his time. He has been a class act since he has been released (at least that we are aware of).

Sometimes I wonder about our judicial system here in the US but I'm certainly glad that in this case it seems to have worked. As far as I'm concerned Vick has paid his debt to society and I wish him well.

As religious as this country is, I'm surprised how hypocritical people have become. Forgive the dude and move on. I may not go out and buy a Vick jersey, but I will cheer him on when I see him doing well....on and off the field.

 

[cvnpoka]

He served less than two years in jail

exorbitant.We really jail human beings for killing animals?They eat dog in China...and I'm not being funny.

its proly funny to you.anyway, surely you arent dense enough to not understand the difference between eating an animals for nourishment versus watching animals mutilate each other for your own pleasure (and gambling on it.)

 

[riggidy]

its proly funny to you.

anyway, surely you arent dense enough to not understand the difference between eating an animals for nourishment versus watching animals mutilate each other for your own pleasure (and gambling on it.)

Wait are we talking about the ufc or boxing?

 

[bo100]

I still don't understand why people care so much about Dog Fighting. People sure seemed to care more about that than about all the rampant human abuse that goes around. It's not like there is a shortage of Dogs around, and Michael Vick's fighting ring was denying others the love of a pet. The guy can play football, it entertains me. He can #### dogs while he slices their throats for all I care.

you are a p.o.s.

 

[shakaka]

The media hype concerning his talent is really no different than it was early in his career. EVERY announcer made his awe plain week after week, and deservedly so, the guy was a human highlight reel. He did his time, the media forgives him, and it's back to the way it was except now we get the constant reminder that he did his time. Only now he's even better.

 

[Mikey16x]

You don't seem to really believe what you typed in the bold. If you did, you wouldn't have posted this thread.

/thread.

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far?

I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.

In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.

In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.

So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.

How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????

I do believe in second chances.

I do believe that Vick served his time.

I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.

However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Jaws is a joke.

Vick served his debt to society. I do believe in second chances and apparently Vick does too. He has gotten his second chance and he's making the best of it. Nobody would be talking about this if Vick went 10-22 tonight with 130 yards and 4 picks. People are so bitter sometimes, move on dude.. really.

 

[JHuber77]

He served less than two years in jail

exorbitant.We really jail human beings for killing animals?They eat dog in China...and I'm not being funny.

And some mothers eat thier young....What's your point?

 

[kdt]

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far? I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????I do believe in second chances.I do believe that Vick served his time.I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Jaws is a joke.

this is the most irrelevant post of all time. you dont even know the guy.

 

[Truman]

The hate was completely over the top. These guys are just talking about a football player who isn't getting recognition for his performances due to the previous media backlash. They lay it on pretty thick because they need to cut through the hypocritical crap that has nothing to do with the game.

 

[cliffhuxtible]

Nobody knows anything about Vick. I agree with the spirit of the original post. Vick is establishing himself as one of the all- time freaky greats in football, and I agree that he has completely earned the right to pursue that.

At the same time, being a great football player tells me absolutely NOTHING about his character. Some of you are insanely naive if you believe Vick has turned the corner because he says the right things while on national television.

Maybe he has turned the corner as a human being. It's really not something any of us can say. But the fact that it's being seriously discussed as though it correlates with his superior play on the football field is pretty hilarious.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Vick was born with top 1% talent of 1% on planet Earth. He's finally tapping into fully. You will never see another guy like him in your lifetime, what else do you expect these analyst to do?

 

[DocHolliday]

This is what analysts do during telecasts. They praise and praise whichever player is doing well. Next week it will be someone else on Monday night. The following Monday night will be someone else.

I love the game but hate the over-the-top announcers. Most games are muted so I can just watch and enjoy the game and not have to listen to the bromance.

 

[drfeelgood]

Vick deserved praise last night, he played outstanding, but the announcers went on and on and on for three hours straight about him. It became extremely annoying.

 

[Insein]

You don't seem to really believe what you typed in the bold. If you did, you wouldn't have posted this thread.

Does anybody think the love for Vick has gone a little too far?

I don't think many of these football analysts understand the difference between real life and football.

In football, Vick has made an amazing comeback for not playing for 2+ seasons and had an amazing night tonight.

In real life, Vick is a terrible human being who has admitted to and was convicted on hanus acts of brtual torture to animals and running the dog fighting business all for entertainment.

So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT. He said he still gets choked up when thinking about it and that we can all learn from this as if Mike Vick can overcome this then we all need to take a look at ourselves. This is one just one example.

How can this be? That is way beyond the line of sanity. To think that scoring many touchdowns turns this guy from a criminal into a savior and role model?????

I do believe in second chances.

I do believe that Vick served his time.

I do believe that Vick deserves to be playing in the NFL again.

However, I don't believe Vick deserves to be praised on national television as a great human being and a VICTIM that has overcome being dealt a bad hand. He made his damn bed and will have to live with the consequences regardless of how many fantasy points he scores. These analysts are disgusting. Jaws is a joke.

There's a difference between believing Vick deserves a second chance and praising him for being a survivor. Guy committed a crime and did the time. We should move on but I don't need to hear hear how awful it was for him by national analysts.

 

[Saint]

Agreed with majority. Vick was incredible last night as a professional football player and probably put up the best game of his lifetime. No disagreement....

HOWEVER, I agree with the earlier poster. Before we start saying how we turned his life around and is a role model, let's see it translate off the field. Professional football is a job, his character is defined by on and OFF the field. I don't know much about his off field activities.

I have read some fairly interesting things on Mike Williams (SEA) making a comeback and what he has been doing with his family and friends off field. How he has changed his character, getting back in shape, and being a society role model. To me, that's an amazing story and a complete 180.

I haven't heard the same on Vick yet for off the field. I am tentatively optimistic that he will make a 180, but I'd like to see some facts about it before I praise his name.

 

[morgonster]

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

 

[FavreCo]

I'm passing the torch.....

 

[Otis]

Animal lovers are lunatics.

 

[fatness]

So how does somebody like Ron Jaworski go on MNF and rant all night about how amazing it is that Vick has overcome this "personal tragedy" to become GREAT.

Jaworski didn't say that.How can some guy go on FBG and rant all day about how terrible it is that Jaworski said something he didn't say?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Vick deserves the praise.

Yes, his off-the-field "recovery" (for lack of a better term) is and always will be a "work-in-process" as it is for any "ex" junkie, out-of-control boozer, former street gang thug, etc. who is endeavoring to change their life for the better. So far, so good for Vick and yes his personal life has many more chapters that will have to play out before it is appropriate to pass judgement (HOF icons, Lawrence Taylor & OJ Simpson come to mind).

However, in 40+ years of following pro sports I don't not recall an elite athlete, still active in the game, who incurred a bigger "penalty/transgression" ratio. Vick spent almost 2 years in real jail, lost his $100M contract and countless endorsements, incurred personal bankruptcy and even post-bankruptcy mus forfeit ~ $4M out of his $5M 2010 NFL salary. This statement does not suggest that I anyway condone dog abuse as I have owned/loved dogs all of my live.

 

[JHuber77]

Animal lovers are lunatics.

 

[CentralPA]

I haven't heard the same on Vick yet for off the field. I am tentatively optimistic that he will make a 180, but I'd like to see some facts about it before I praise his name.

He's done many appearances to kids in schools and other venues discussing and condemning his actions for animal cruelty. I think that serves as enough proof that the guy is geniunely sorry for what he has done.

 

[heinfatha]

I'll go ahead and say what many are thinking. While what Vick did was not right, he did it to an animal that has been bred for the exact purpose he was using them. Pit-bulls kill children on a regular basis and IMO are a worthless animal. Vick paid his debt...move on!

 

[Saint]

He's done many appearances to kids in schools and other venues discussing and condemning his actions for animal cruelty. I think that serves as enough proof that the guy is geniunely sorry for what he has done.

Good to know...I haven't seen that stuff... Thanks CentralPA!

 

[Sinn Fein]

Vick doing so good, he got dogs cheering for him

Tweet of the Day

 

[ImTheScientist]

Vick paid his time in jail, lost all his money, and hopefully learned his lesson. What ever happened to a second chance/forgiveness?