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For people still looking for something out of Chris Perry (1 Viewer)

sholditch

sholditch

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I don't get this. More than anything else, the fact that he still has fantasy players that expect something out of him completely mystifies me. And I am open to the thought that others are seeing something I'm not, but we hear about him every year and every year he does nothing. He was drafted in 2004 and has played a total of 22 games, starting 2. He has 337 career yards rushing. According to his player page on NFL he didn't play a down last year. If you believe that he can and will do something in the NFL, why?

 
I do.

I think Rudi is D-ON-E as far being productive goes.

He may be used to to slam away, but his ability is far too limited.

Kenny Watson is a change of pace back. He can contribute.

But the only guy I see with a chance to be a worthy #2 is Perry.

And even he is questionable, because of durability issues and injury effects.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
I do.

I think Rudi is D-ON-E as far being productive goes.

He may be used to to slam away, but his ability is far too limited.

Kenny Watson is a change of pace back. He can contribute.

But the only guy I see with a chance to be a worthy #2 is Perry.

And even he is questionable, because of durability issues on injury effects.
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What makes you think that Perry is a better back than Watson? Watson actually was the RB1 last year and did pretty well.
 
Correll Buckhalter's season ended before it began not once, not twice, but thrice, and he's one of Westbrook's primary backups in Philly (not to mention he's running hard and looks almost as good as he did pre-injuries). CBuck even had a 100 yard game last year when Westbrook had to miss a game. Ronald Curry tore the same achilles twice and has still come back to be a productive receiver, maybe even Oakland's #1 the way things are going.

In other words, I don't completely write players off because of repeated injuries anymore. Perry was more talented than either of these guys coming into the league, and clearly he's working hard to get back to form. If he wasn't, the Bengals would have cut him (See: Irons, Kenny). Perry looked very dynamic when he did play a lot in 2005, including 51 receptions (PPR leagues take notice), and as I said, I can't completely rule out a return to '05 form just because he's repeatedly been hurt in the last few years.

 
Perry can't stay healthy enough to be productive, everyone wants to look at what he did 3-4 years ago in college and sorry but it ain't gonna happen

 
sholditch said:
BigSteelThrill said:
I do.

I think Rudi is D-ON-E as far being productive goes.

He may be used to to slam away, but his ability is far too limited.

Kenny Watson is a change of pace back. He can contribute.

But the only guy I see with a chance to be a worthy #2 is Perry.

And even he is questionable, because of durability issues on injury effects.
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What makes you think that Perry is a better back than Watson? Watson actually was the RB1 last year and did pretty well.
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Perry looked like a lead back at one time.Bengal homers tend to lead me to believe (they are talking football, not fantasy) that what the majority them see in a perfect scenario is Watson as a part timer and Perry as a potential lead back. Not that it will work out that way.

I guess what i see is what they seem to be best suited for.

Im not saying Watson wont/cant get the crux of the touches when everyone else isnt playing.

But my opinion is that of Watson being a secondary RB option if things work out how the Bengals want it.

 
It's a combination of things for me (for the record, I've never owned him until ~week 15 last year when I picked him up off of waivers):

1) he's talented; I like him dating back to when he came out from college, and I thought he was both strong and explosive.

2) his injuries do not seem to have degraded his talent.

3) he's got a decent opportunity to play if healthy as he's in a backfield with an aging workhorse and little else.

4) he's apparently healthy for now.

5) I subscribe to the theory that some guys have bad luck with injuries, but that it doesn't necessarily mean that that bad luck will last forever.

6) I also subscribe to the theory that some guys require a few years to learn how to condition themselves properly to succeed and avoid injury in the NFL.

7) Good RB's are hard to find.

8) More and more teams are using multiple RB's to carry the load through the season, making even a part-timer like Perry in a RBBC someone who is valuable.

9) The Cincy offense is one of the more powerful in the league and offers a lot of potential production out of the RB spot.

That's as good of a synopsis as I can come up with.

 
Guy was drafted in the 1st round for a reason. He has dazzled in limited opportunities in the past. Just because he's had a couple of injuries that kept him out the last two years does not mean he can't get healthy and stay healthy. Who knows. He may very well fall flat on his face but he has sick talent and the Bengals (and myself) would like to see what he can do if healthy.

Now couple that with an aging vet that had a real down year last year and we have a higher opportunity to start than other RB's around the league that are down the depth chart.

Add in the fact that he could've been had for a song this offseason and you have some people, like myself, that took a flier on the kid. If it doesn't work out, costs me $600K from my $32 million salary cap and he becomes WW fodder for the next kid to come out of nowhere (Graham, Grant, D. Anderson, Boldin types). Otherwise I get help weeks 7 and 9 when bye weeks bite me in the pooper....

 
A simple 6-letter word called "talent" is why. :unsure:

wow back to back to back 1200 yds + 12 td per season doesn't = talent?

instead a college hyped back that has been injured year after year after year (added another year, didnt realize he is in his 4th season) = talent :lmao:

 
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doubletrouble said:
A simple 6-letter word called "talent" is why. :thumbup:wow back to back to back 1200 yds + 12 td per season doesn't = talent? instead a college hyped back that has been injured year after year after year (added another year, didnt realize he is in his 4th season) = talent :goodposting:
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Talented people don't get injured? :confused: Is "talent" inappropriate to discuss with any unproven player in the NFL, including rookies? If so, you've lost me.
 
Perry having talent and Rudi having talent are not mutually exclusive. But, there are signs of Rudi becoming less effective. His ypc decreasing over the last 3 years from 4.3 to 3.8 to 2.9 is not encouraging.

 
In the very last rounds of the draft I am looking for a home run hitter - that is exactly what Perry is. He is a very talented back that has been stricken by injuries in a backfield with two past their prime backs, the opportunity should be there. What's the worst case scenario for taking a shot on Perry? Drop him for replacement level talent when bye weeks and injuries hit? Given his upside he is very much worth a roster spot.

 
doubletrouble said:
A simple 6-letter word called "talent" is why. :thumbup:wow back to back to back 1200 yds + 12 td per season doesn't = talent? instead a college hyped back that has been injured year after year after year (added another year, didnt realize he is in his 4th season) = talent :confused:
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Comparing Rudi to Perry is apples and oranges.I never said Rudi doesn't have talent, but I think his best days are well behind him. Rudi looked done last year even before being hurt, talent or no talent. Rudi has a problem that goes well beyond his injury. He is on the downside of his career. Perry definitely has talent. His only issue has been injuries. If he is healthy, he will be a factor for the Bengals. Whether he is a fantasy factor remains to be seen.
 
doubletrouble said:
I agree w/ the rudi part, but we are speaking about Perry having talent...
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No, we're discussing Perry's talent. You seem, OTOH, to be confusing injuries with lack of talent, though you really haven't explained anything about your views so I'm left to guess.
 
Comparing Rudi to Perry is apples and oranges.

I never said Rudi doesn't have talent, but I think his best days are well behind him. Rudi looked done last year even before being hurt, talent or no talent. Rudi has a problem that goes well beyond his injury. He is on the downside of his career.

Perry definitely has talent. His only issue has been injuries. If he is healthy, he will be a factor for the Bengals. Whether he is a fantasy factor remains to be seen.

He should he was a 1st round pick but everyone is talking about Perry now thinking he is going to be the saviour for the running game in CIN and I just don't see it. Guy hasn't been healhty bottom line, talent or no talent

 
anyone that gets drafted in the first round has talent? either they are bust or boom? show me something on the field (more than this game) maybe lets try a full season, but this guy falls into the bust catagory....

 
doubletrouble said:
anyone that gets drafted in the first round has talent? either they are bust or boom? show me something on the field (more than this game) maybe lets try a full season, but this guy falls into the bust catagory....
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You're talking about the past. Nobody denies he's been a bust from 2004-07. The issue here, though, is whether he's going to be a bust from 2008 onward.
 
doubletrouble said:
well if you can tell the future please tell me the power ball numbers this weekend....until then I will lean on the past
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If predicting football success is tantamount to predicting powerball numbers, then I'm puzzled by your presence here in August.
 
doubletrouble said:
Comparing Rudi to Perry is apples and oranges.

I never said Rudi doesn't have talent, but I think his best days are well behind him. Rudi looked done last year even before being hurt, talent or no talent. Rudi has a problem that goes well beyond his injury. He is on the downside of his career.

Perry definitely has talent. His only issue has been injuries. If he is healthy, he will be a factor for the Bengals. Whether he is a fantasy factor remains to be seen.

He should he was a 1st round pick but everyone is talking about Perry now thinking he is going to be the saviour for the running game in CIN and I just don't see it. Guy hasn't been healhty bottom line, talent or no talent
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:unsure: Who said he was going to be the savior of the Bengals running game?

 
So you say CP is going to be good, I say he will be a bust. There is nothing hard to understand about it. I am glad you have him and have hope for him...nothing more to discuss :unsure:

 
He should he was a 1st round pick but everyone is talking about Perry now thinking he is going to be the saviour for the running game in CIN and I just don't see it. Guy hasn't been healhty bottom line, talent or no talent

:unsure:

Who said he was going to be the savior of the Bengals running game?

well if KW is old and Rudi is washed up, is marvin lewis gonna be running the ball?

:rolleyes:

 
Perry has looked pretty good tonight. (Though so has Watson ..)

I know it's just a preseason game blah blah ;) blah blah, but looking good is always better than looking bad. I was thinking Rudi was a decent value pick this year, but I'm going to keep a close eye on Watson & Perry this preseason.

This year could be a good ol' fashioned cluster#### in the Cincy backfield ...

 
Perry looked pretty good tonight, although the near-fumble was concerning. I picked him up as a handcuff for Rudi. Another owner has Watson. Hopefully if Rudi falters Perry will at least get the majority of the carries...

 
I've always loved Perry's talent. I think he has the complete package for a modern day NFL rb. The one thing that I was most worried about is fear of him looking tentative due to his injuries. That has to be tough psychologically after sustaining the injuries that he has over and over. He looked confident and assertive for it being his first game in such a long while. I'm very encouraged by him and think he can be very explosive in this offense if he can avoid injury. Dismiss him if you want, but this guy has a great set of talents in an offense that's talior made for him.

 
Rushmore said:
I've always loved Perry's talent. I think he has the complete package for a modern day NFL rb. The one thing that I was most worried about is fear of him looking tentative due to his injuries. That has to be tough psychologically after sustaining the injuries that he has over and over. He looked confident and assertive for it being his first game in such a long while. I'm very encouraged by him and think he can be very explosive in this offense if he can avoid injury. Dismiss him if you want, but this guy has a great set of talents in an offense that's talior made for him.
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:thumbup: Perry sure looked good last night. The Bengals have to be very encouraged.

 
he looked very good last night, for someone who's been out of football for quite some time now.. :goodposting:

NFL comeback player of the year candidate?

:tfp:

 
sholditch said:
I don't get this. More than anything else, the fact that he still has fantasy players that expect something out of him completely mystifies me. And I am open to the thought that others are seeing something I'm not, but we hear about him every year and every year he does nothing. He was drafted in 2004 and has played a total of 22 games, starting 2. He has 337 career yards rushing. According to his player page on NFL he didn't play a down last year. If you believe that he can and will do something in the NFL, why?
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Did you watch the game last night?
 
bucsbaby said:
Perry looked pretty good tonight, although the near-fumble was concerning. I picked him up as a handcuff for Rudi. Another owner has Watson. Hopefully if Rudi falters Perry will at least get the majority of the carries...
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The near fumble was caused by the ground after he was upended and landed on his head...nothing to lose sleep over.
 
King of the Jungle said:
bucsbaby said:
Perry looked pretty good tonight, although the near-fumble was concerning. I picked him up as a handcuff for Rudi. Another owner has Watson. Hopefully if Rudi falters Perry will at least get the majority of the carries...
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The near fumble was caused by the ground after he was upended and landed on his head...nothing to lose sleep over.
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:confused: It was not even a fumble. Complete non-issue.
 
as long as someone is not running around claiming that Chris Perry is going to be the "steal of the draft" hands down, where he is going in redrafts (if he is going at all) is the place where it is acceptable to take a chance on a guy with a good pedigree (1st rounder) and reasonably good situation (behind a RB injuried and not good in 2007). In my case, it is not so much that I think we will succedd, but the cost to find out is not that great.

 
I am a little surprised to hear that people seem to think Perry is a low-risk, high-reward guy for fantasy. I think his role is actually fairly well known and his ceiling isn't very high. I think Perry will be a solid contributer for the Bengals, but I would be shocked to see him get more than 8 or so touches a game. Even if he is very productive with those touches (which I think he will be) I don't see the upside on this guy that most are seeing for fantasy purposes.

 
Funny how none of the Perry contrarians are in this thread today. Couple of things I noticed.

1) Perry did not run scared. Did not run like a guy worried about getting injured again. The guy ran like one motived and pissed off dude. That is a good thing.

2) The Bengals did not baby him along. He was in there early and often and was given tough yards to get. Goal line, short yardage, etc. I totally did not expect him to be trotted out in the 3rd quarter.

3) When is Doubletrouble going to learn how to use the reply button so the board quotes the previous poster rather than this cut and paste crap? The guy joined in 2007. How long does it take to figure that out?

 
Guys, there's another angle on this too. Just look at how patient the Bengals have been with Perry, and contrast that with Kenny Irons. Perry has given the Bengals next to nothing for four seasons, and yet he continues to be on their roster and part of their plans. Irons was gone in a year. I can't off the top of my head think of a player for whom a team has waited longer than or even as long as Perry to produce. First round draftee or not, they're gone inside of three years and labeled a "bust". That tells you that the Bengals also think he's worth waiting for.

 
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