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For those sloughing kickers... (1 Viewer)

Gr00vus

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Since Capybura hasn't graced us with a pre-season kicker extravaganza to illuminate some bargain basement kickers, I thought I'd get a thread rolling to see what all those who (like myself) wait till the end of the draft (or even until waiver wires open prior to the season) are looking at to start out with as their kickers. For the sake of this discussion I'm focusing mainly on guys projected or with an ADP in the lower half of the kicker rankings, but if there are guys you think are greatly underrated above that feel free to mention....

Rian Lindel looks good, although he's not too far down the projections anyway. He kicks outdoors which is a negative, but I think the Bills offense and defense should be better than last year to the extent that he gets more opportunities, and he seems to be decently accurate going off at nearly 83% last year, also going 3 for 3 from 50 plus.

Olindo Mare is another guy in Lindel's projected range that I think can do better than where he's currently ranked. I think the offensive line will take a big step up this year resulting in improved offensive movement all around, just enough to get Mare some more chances than last year. He's accurate enough to make it pay.

I always like Jason Hanson as a real life kicker, but ever since Barry packed it in he simply hasn't gotten much of an opportunity to score big time. He's still reasonably accurate and has a good leg. With Martz in the house, an upgrade at QB and some stability on offense, I think he could return to the upper half of the league's kickers in scoring - maybe even big time if the Martz offense really clicks. Seems like I was thinking the same thing about him last year though.....

Matt Bryant seems like he's in the perfect position to do some scoring this year. Last year he had a below league average number of FG attempts. With the Bucs D and hopefully an improved Simms at qb making the offense a bit more effective I think he should get more opportunities and he seems accurate enough to cash in. Right now it looks like he could be a waiver wire pick up in fantasy leagues - I think he'll end the year being a starting kicker on many fantasy rosters. Now if Joey could stop taking everything to the house....

Did you know that Kris Brown (K is for kicker) had more total points last year than Adam Vinatieri? Just a fun fact, I don't know if Brown will do it again - I suppose that would depend on Vernand Morrency being able to pick up the slack from Domanic Davis.

I'll end with one of my favorites from last year - Rob Bironas. I loved dropping this guy on people when the matchups were right all season long last year (thanks Mike Herman!). He's accurate enough, he's got the leg (though he did struggle from 50+ going only 2 for 5), the question is, will he get the chances? I guess that depends on Volek/Young. The ground game for the Titans should be solid, maybe the defense can gel. If the Titans can hang near .500 I think it'll mean good things for Bironas. Maybe you don't need to draft him, but he'd probably be one of the first waiver wire guys I'd look at. As a big plus you can always sing his name along to the tune of "My Sharona" after he makes a field goal - it tends to drive your opposition batty.

So what say you other sloughers? (And if Capybura wanted to chime in it would be a nice bonus).

:football:

 
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It doesn't matter much which one you draft. So long as you're quick to the waiver wire you should manage to find a quality guy.

I like Mare of the ones you listed.

 
Stephen Gostkowski, NE
what he said. :hey:
Interestingly enough Dodds already had him ranked just inside the top 20 yesterday. With the news I'd bet his ADP will climb to the extent that he's overvalued. Do you guys think he'll score appreciably more than last year's Patriots' kicker? He's starting to look like the antithesis of the slough kicker - the "sexy" kicker.
 
don't you know the cool thing is to not even draft a kicker anymore?
If you're in a big league (16+) it's not usually feasible. In leagues that allow waiver wire/IR moves before the 1st game it's not a bad idea at all, and yes possibly even COOL. But you still have to have some clue as to who you're targeting off the waiver wire, so hopefully we can highlight some of those guys here.
 
I have ended up with M.Stover in 3 of 4 leagues I'm in. In each league I have taken in the the last round (16,18,18)

 
Stephen Gostkowski, NE
what he said. :hey:
Interestingly enough Dodds already had him ranked just inside the top 20 yesterday. With the news I'd bet his ADP will climb to the extent that he's overvalued. Do you guys think he'll score appreciably more than last year's Patriots' kicker? He's starting to look like the antithesis of the slough kicker - the "sexy" kicker.
yep
Still unknown to the bulk of drafters. He's my guy.
 
don't you know the cool thing is to not even draft a kicker anymore?
If you're in a big league (16+) it's not usually feasible. In leagues that allow waiver wire/IR moves before the 1st game it's not a bad idea at all, and yes possibly even COOL. But you still have to have some clue as to who you're targeting off the waiver wire, so hopefully we can highlight some of those guys here.
absolutely, and i appreciate you guys doing all the work for me so i can come back to this thread and figure out who to pick up before the first game. :thumbup:
 
Stephen Gostkowski, NE
what he said. :hey:
Interestingly enough Dodds already had him ranked just inside the top 20 yesterday. With the news I'd bet his ADP will climb to the extent that he's overvalued. Do you guys think he'll score appreciably more than last year's Patriots' kicker? He's starting to look like the antithesis of the slough kicker - the "sexy" kicker.
yep
Still unknown to the bulk of drafters. He's my guy.
Agreed. In my 3 leagues, very few owners will have their eyes on him.
 
My mantra is to look for Kickers that play on teams that have mediocre enough offenses but not great offenses. So they basically stall more in the red zone. Also, look for teams that have good to great defenses to go with that combo. Those teams are more conservative in their play calling, which leads to more FGs once they get to the redzone. Also, their D helps them get good field position and even turnovers that set up more opportunities. Teams without good Defenses tend to not even kick FGs in the 4th quarter and prefer going on 4th downs for TDs. That will hurt you if you have a K from that team.

A perfect example of that this year - David Akers and Robbie Gould

 
My last pick is Andrew Walter as back up to Brooks. 3rd last round I am going Rackers and then Akers.

 
Some idiots in my league draft kickers waaay early, like with 4-5 rounds left. I'm personally looking at Matt Stover because his first 4 weeks are pretty good kicking matchups. In week 4, the following kickers are on byes: Feeley (NYG) , Elam (DEN), Reed (PIT) [and Bryant (TB)]. I fully expect the idiot owners in my league to not only draft the first three of those kickers rounds earlier than they should, but then have to drop them in week 4 so they can pick up someone else. Those are projected to be good kickers this season, if one or all three of them are on the waiver wire, I'll in effect give up my last round pick for a higher ranked player at the same position drafted 5 rounds earlier.

 
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I just spoke to Capybara. He likes the following less obvious kickers this year:

Matt Stover

Josh Scobee

Olindo Mare

Michael Koenen

He also recommends avoiding the following kickers ranked by many in the top ten:

Mike Vanderjagt

Jay Feely

 
I'd be happy to grab Jeff Wilkins (currently projected #13) in the last round.

Matt Stover and Jeff Reed are almost always there and will probably be fallbacks.

 
I like Ryan Longwell this year. Had kind of an off-year last season, but should bounce back this year in the Metrodome. Vikings offense should be okay between the 20's, but I foresee them stalling a lot in the redzone.

 
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The kid from Atlanta (Koenen) really intrigues me. He has a serious leg and kicks in a dome. If you get bonus points for longer kicks he could be a nice pickup.

 
My mantra is to look for Kickers that play on teams that have mediocre enough offenses but not great offenses. So they basically stall more in the red zone. Also, look for teams that have good to great defenses to go with that combo. Those teams are more conservative in their play calling, which leads to more FGs once they get to the redzone. Also, their D helps them get good field position and even turnovers that set up more opportunities. Teams without good Defenses tend to not even kick FGs in the 4th quarter and prefer going on 4th downs for TDs. That will hurt you if you have a K from that team. A perfect example of that this year - David Akers and Robbie Gould
By that definition, Stover is your man.
 
I just spoke to Capybara. He likes the following less obvious kickers this year:Matt StoverJosh ScobeeOlindo MareMichael KoenenHe also recommends avoiding the following kickers ranked by many in the top ten:Mike VanderjagtJay Feely
God bless that rodent. :D
 
My mantra is to look for Kickers that play on teams that have mediocre enough offenses but not great offenses. So they basically stall more in the red zone. Also, look for teams that have good to great defenses to go with that combo. Those teams are more conservative in their play calling, which leads to more FGs once they get to the redzone. Also, their D helps them get good field position and even turnovers that set up more opportunities. Teams without good Defenses tend to not even kick FGs in the 4th quarter and prefer going on 4th downs for TDs. That will hurt you if you have a K from that team.

A perfect example of that this year - David Akers and Robbie Gould
Agree completely. The Eagles offense will be similar to the Cards last year. Good passing game, with a weak running game (especially if Westbrook is hurt). Akers will be kicker gold.
 
There's no reason to keep a K on your roster right now unless you are in a 20 team league or so. 32 teams in the league means there is a glut of K's. I'll be picking mine right before week 1. Better to keep RBs or WRs on roster right now while NFL teams are still evaluating starters. :thumbup:

 
Agree completely. The Eagles offense will be similar to the Cards last year. Good passing game, with a weak running game (especially if Westbrook is hurt). Akers will be kicker gold.
I dunno - I don't like the way the Philly offense looks right now. I don't think they have anything like a Boldin and a Fitzgerald on the roster. They have a decent defense, so maybe they get field position advantageous for Akers, but they'll also be going up against solid defenses within their division. Plus it looks like Akers is going around PK 7 right now - not exactly the kind of guy I was focusing on in this thread. For me Akers isn't an option.
 
Bump. I just got Koenen at 20.3 (269th player) in a 14-team league. Does anybody have more info on him? This was about the only thread doing a search.

Thanks, all...

 
Kasay's hit from 43, 45, and 53 tonight. Hmmm....
Obviously you want a kicker who is going to have the most points, but another strategy to consider is to try to take a kicker with as late a bye as possible. This gives you more time to see how your other players are performing and, unfortunately, see if anyone goes down with a season ending injury before having to drop someone to cover the kicker bye-week. The teams with the latest bye weeks this year are Arizona, NYJ, Philly, and Carolina (all with a week 9 bye). Given last year's performance, someone will probably jump on Rackers way earlier than they should, and I wouldn't want the Jets kicker, but Akers and Kasay look like great options.
 
Kasay's hit from 43, 45, and 53 tonight. Hmmm....
Obviously you want a kicker who is going to have the most points, but another strategy to consider is to try to take a kicker with as late a bye as possible. This gives you more time to see how your other players are performing and, unfortunately, see if anyone goes down with a season ending injury before having to drop someone to cover the kicker bye-week. The teams with the latest bye weeks this year are Arizona, NYJ, Philly, and Carolina (all with a week 9 bye). Given last year's performance, someone will probably jump on Rackers way earlier than they should, and I wouldn't want the Jets kicker, but Akers and Kasay look like great options.
:goodposting: Interesting idea.
 
I like Ryan Longwell this year. Had kind of an off-year last season, but should bounce back this year in the Metrodome. Vikings offense should be okay between the 20's, but I foresee them stalling a lot in the redzone.
I am doing the same for the same reasons. He is ranked low in a lot of lists and can be had very late. I can see him being top 5 in points from a kicker this year.
 
Agree completely. The Eagles offense will be similar to the Cards last year. Good passing game, with a weak running game (especially if Westbrook is hurt). Akers will be kicker gold.
I dunno - I don't like the way the Philly offense looks right now. I don't think they have anything like a Boldin and a Fitzgerald on the roster. They have a decent defense, so maybe they get field position advantageous for Akers, but they'll also be going up against solid defenses within their division. Plus it looks like Akers is going around PK 7 right now - not exactly the kind of guy I was focusing on in this thread. For me Akers isn't an option.
Maybe Akers is not who you were thinking of for this thread, but if you had the last pick in your draft and needed a kicker, would you take him over the likes of Koenen, Stover, Scobee, etc.? I think I would.
 
Agree completely. The Eagles offense will be similar to the Cards last year. Good passing game, with a weak running game (especially if Westbrook is hurt). Akers will be kicker gold.
I dunno - I don't like the way the Philly offense looks right now. I don't think they have anything like a Boldin and a Fitzgerald on the roster. They have a decent defense, so maybe they get field position advantageous for Akers, but they'll also be going up against solid defenses within their division. Plus it looks like Akers is going around PK 7 right now - not exactly the kind of guy I was focusing on in this thread. For me Akers isn't an option.
Maybe Akers is not who you were thinking of for this thread, but if you had the last pick in your draft and needed a kicker, would you take him over the likes of Koenen, Stover, Scobee, etc.? I think I would.
So this is a hypothetical question, as Akers won't be available at the end of the draft, but if he were I would take him over those guys. Is that what you were asking?By the way, in my drafts Stover has been going anywhere from K10 to K13 so the word is getting out. Scobee and Koenen have been available at the end just about every time (sometimes undrafted).

Koenen went 2-2 this weekend.

 
For the sake of completeness, here's a link to the thread with the good news on Koenen...

Koenen wins job thread

I manged to snag him at the end of a couple of drafts this past weekend.

Thanks for the early warning to the folks who mentioned him here.

Good times! :hifive:

 

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