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Forsett vs Lendale vs Leon Washington (1 Viewer)
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DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Lendale is the "lead dog" and goal line back. Forsett is the 3rd down back.
Todem
Footballguy
Lendale sucks donkey nuts....LOL.
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Yeah, but Carroll loves the guy and will use him lots.
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As a Forsett owner, I think this I pretty good. Seattle had to bring in somebody and Forsett has as good a chance of beating out White for touches as anyone. Performance is what matters and I'd favor Forsett in the long run. White's good standing with Carroll will only be an advantage to start the season if at all.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Leon Washington.
kurtrudder
Footballguy
Julies Jones can pack his bags now!!
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Forsett can also pack his bags as he will be riding the bench.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
LenDale and Leon = Lendale and Bush in the Pete Carrol offense.
Forsett, JJ = bench/released.
Forsett, JJ = bench/released.
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Precisely.
Ok, Pete...
Pete Carrol was just on ESPN and said he thinks Leon and White will be a great 1-2 punch. Are you saying the coach of the Seahawks doesn't know what he's talking about?
The seahawk fans obviously know more, don't be foolish.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Obviously time will tell with this situation.
I'm not a big fan of White. I don't see him contributing much except for at the goal line. And quite frankly, I think the bulk of credit for all those touchdowns goes to the TEN O-line. What I'm saying is that I think any one of a large number of RBs in the league could have replicated similar numbers. However, coach Carroll is obviously comfortable with White and I think that shouldn't be a point that is ignored.
I see Leon Washington as a potential GIANT upgrade. Dude is a serious playmaker with electric moves. Question is one of health. How's the leg? No way we can know. Certainly a wait and see with this one. Worth the gamble? You bet. Washington wanted to get paid and will get the chance. He's certainly motivated. Will his leg be ready to go? Who knows?
I think you will see the majority of Seattle homers sound off that they are Forsett fans. He was really the only positive on offense last year in a rather dismal season. Around the league its understandable that Forsett is largely an unknown. Seattle wasn't be broadcast in prime time, and most fans across the county probably didn't get to see the good things that Forsett did with the ball in his hands. Compounding that problem is that he got limited chances because Seattle's offense really sucked last year. I can understand why football fans that haven't seen him play would discount his talent. However, the kid makes plays. He breaks tackles. He plays "bigger" than his measurables. Throughout Seahawk-nation fans were clamoring for him to get more touches.
My guess given what I know at the moment?
Julius Jones is a goner.
Forsett is the starting RB.
Washington is the 3rd-down change of pace RB and returns KOs. *
White gets the goal line and short yardage touches.
* I bet Golden Tate returns punts.
There are lots of factors to consider that will impact touches.
What if the team sucks? What if they are playing from behind a lot? If that's the case I see a healthy Washington getting lots more touches.
What if the team plays well and is winning? I think that would benefit Forsett most.
I'm not a big fan of White. I don't see him contributing much except for at the goal line. And quite frankly, I think the bulk of credit for all those touchdowns goes to the TEN O-line. What I'm saying is that I think any one of a large number of RBs in the league could have replicated similar numbers. However, coach Carroll is obviously comfortable with White and I think that shouldn't be a point that is ignored.
I see Leon Washington as a potential GIANT upgrade. Dude is a serious playmaker with electric moves. Question is one of health. How's the leg? No way we can know. Certainly a wait and see with this one. Worth the gamble? You bet. Washington wanted to get paid and will get the chance. He's certainly motivated. Will his leg be ready to go? Who knows?
I think you will see the majority of Seattle homers sound off that they are Forsett fans. He was really the only positive on offense last year in a rather dismal season. Around the league its understandable that Forsett is largely an unknown. Seattle wasn't be broadcast in prime time, and most fans across the county probably didn't get to see the good things that Forsett did with the ball in his hands. Compounding that problem is that he got limited chances because Seattle's offense really sucked last year. I can understand why football fans that haven't seen him play would discount his talent. However, the kid makes plays. He breaks tackles. He plays "bigger" than his measurables. Throughout Seahawk-nation fans were clamoring for him to get more touches.
My guess given what I know at the moment?
Julius Jones is a goner.
Forsett is the starting RB.
Washington is the 3rd-down change of pace RB and returns KOs. *
White gets the goal line and short yardage touches.
* I bet Golden Tate returns punts.
There are lots of factors to consider that will impact touches.
What if the team sucks? What if they are playing from behind a lot? If that's the case I see a healthy Washington getting lots more touches.
What if the team plays well and is winning? I think that would benefit Forsett most.
I am honestly not sure what a "starting job" as RB means on lots of teams these days.It is not inconceivable that White has the most fantasy point due to TDs although there is no chance he will lead the team in rishing from scrimmage.With that said, I think Washington is the RB to have.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Well stated.
Again. Well stated. Its not inconceivable that any number of dramas could play out this coming season in Seattle. I think game situations will dictate who gets touches in the Seattle backfield. How will those situations play out? Hard to say.
Not Sure
Footballguy
This is the way I see it too. Forsett was better than all of these guys last year, is still very young and is a hard worker and a very strong player for someone his size. I don't get the all of the love for Washington. The Jets didn't think much of him anymore so they drafted 2 RBs and traded him away for almost nothing but now he is suddenly the main RB in SEA? Plus, he is coming off a catastrophic injury. I am wondering if some of you guys actually saw that injury. It was gross and I don't think it's a sure thing he will ever come back. If he does I think he mainly contributes as a KR, where is a very smart and very good. White and Forsett compliment each other well as RBs and if Leon is healthy (big "if"), he can be a good change of pace and KR. J. Jones is probably as good as gone.
Hooper31
Footballguy
For those that didn't get to see Seattle play last year, these numbers really do tell an "honest" story.
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Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece No. Age Pos G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb22 Julius Jones 28 RB 14 14 177 663 2 62 3.7 47.4 12.6 35 232 6.6 2 49 2.5 16.6 895 4 020 Justin Forsett 24 16 2 114 619 4 35 5.4 38.7 7.1 41 350 8.5 1 47 2.6 21.9 969 5 4Okay, it's not like the Jets thought Washington was worthless -- Leon wanted a new contract, has for a while, and things have been dicey between them. Just because they traded him doesn't mean he is horrible -- Pitt traded Santonio Holmes for a 5th, does that mean he's worthless? Teams move on sometimes. The injury I agree on - it was a huge, major injury. There's a chance he's never the same. But... if he does come back, I think you are selling him short -- he is one of the most explosive players in the league. The guy can score from anywhere - Jets fans were always clamoring for them to give him the ball more. The guy is electric. Health is the key here. If he's healthy and hasn't lost a step, Carroll will have his Reggie Bush, and he will use him.
Todem
Footballguy
I can't believe people actually think Lendale White is the answer...boggles my mind. The only reason he is not out of football yet is his old college coach will give him another shot.
The guy stinks, his work ethic is garbage, he can't run...nothing there. He will not make it in the long run. He will be a short yardage/goaline option.
Cream always rises....Forsett is the best back on that squad hands down. Washington is coming off a major injury and may never be the same....it was worth a shot because it practically costed them nada.
Anyone who actually watched Forset last season knows he is the best back on the team...and when good ol Pete set's his lineup going into week one I am fairly confident Forset will be the starting running back.
The guy stinks, his work ethic is garbage, he can't run...nothing there. He will not make it in the long run. He will be a short yardage/goaline option.
Cream always rises....Forsett is the best back on that squad hands down. Washington is coming off a major injury and may never be the same....it was worth a shot because it practically costed them nada.
Anyone who actually watched Forset last season knows he is the best back on the team...and when good ol Pete set's his lineup going into week one I am fairly confident Forset will be the starting running back.
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Not everyone plans in 10 team 2rb 2wr non-ppr leagues.Leon started every game for me last year prior to his injury.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
then the moves today are odd.Pete knows LenDale, I have little doubt that he will be the RB to have on Seattle regardless of scoring system and receive the most carries and goalline carries as well.
stp-d
Footballguy
Denial is the 1st step in acceptance
stp-d
Footballguy
I love the confidence to rip people for not knowing what they're talking about & to back it up with a whopping PROBABLY statement!!!
Todem
Footballguy
Not really.... new coaches like to bring in guys they know....well once he sees what Lendale does....Boink...a matter of time before Forset is getting a lot of work.If not...so be it...that team will suck with a plodding over weight RB who is also injury prone. Forset can be had for peanuts now....go get him while he is dirt cheap. I will let others overpay for garbage like White.
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Not Sure
Footballguy
You can't compare a high-character player like Leon with Holmes. Completely different situations and different reasons for their teams to part with them. Leon was electric as a change of pace RB like a Sproles, but that is all he ever was. He is not now and never will be a starting RB and when you factor in his injury I am skeptical he will have much of an impact at all, outside of being a KR and PR. I really like the guy, though. He is smart and a great leader and should help SEA in general, but from a fantasy perspective I don't see him having any real value. IMO he was brought in for special teams, change of pace and mainly for leadership.Okay, it's not like the Jets thought Washington was worthless -- Leon wanted a new contract, has for a while, and things have been dicey between them. Just because they traded him doesn't mean he is horrible -- Pitt traded Santonio Holmes for a 5th, does that mean he's worthless? Teams move on sometimes. The injury I agree on - it was a huge, major injury. There's a chance he's never the same. But... if he does come back, I think you are selling him short -- he is one of the most explosive players in the league. The guy can score from anywhere - Jets fans were always clamoring for them to give him the ball more. The guy is electric. Health is the key here. If he's healthy and hasn't lost a step, Carroll will have his Reggie Bush, and he will use him.This is the way I see it too. Forsett was better than all of these guys last year, is still very young and is a hard worker and a very strong player for someone his size. I don't get the all of the love for Washington. The Jets didn't think much of him anymore so they drafted 2 RBs and traded him away for almost nothing but now he is suddenly the main RB in SEA? Plus, he is coming off a catastrophic injury. I am wondering if some of you guys actually saw that injury. It was gross and I don't think it's a sure thing he will ever come back. If he does I think he mainly contributes as a KR, where is a very smart and very good. White and Forsett compliment each other well as RBs and if Leon is healthy (big "if"), he can be a good change of pace and KR. J. Jones is probably as good as gone.
We'll agree to disagree. I've watched Washington, he is MUCH better as a pure RB than a guy like Sproles. The coach himself said Leon and White will be a great 1-2 punch a couple of hours ago on ESPN - no mention of Forsett or Julius Jones. So either Carroll is lying for some reason and really plans on using Forsett more than he's letting on, or he's mistaken in his belief that Leon/White can be as effective as Forsett. Time will tell.You can't compare a high-character player like Leon with Holmes. Completely different situations and different reasons for their teams to part with them. Leon was electric as a change of pace RB like a Sproles, but that is all he ever was. He is not now and never will be a starting RB and when you factor in his injury I am skeptical he will have much of an impact at all, outside of being a KR and PR. I really like the guy, though. He is smart and a great leader and should help SEA in general, but from a fantasy perspective I don't see him having any real value. IMO he was brought in for special teams, change of pace and mainly for leadership.Okay, it's not like the Jets thought Washington was worthless -- Leon wanted a new contract, has for a while, and things have been dicey between them. Just because they traded him doesn't mean he is horrible -- Pitt traded Santonio Holmes for a 5th, does that mean he's worthless? Teams move on sometimes. The injury I agree on - it was a huge, major injury. There's a chance he's never the same. But... if he does come back, I think you are selling him short -- he is one of the most explosive players in the league. The guy can score from anywhere - Jets fans were always clamoring for them to give him the ball more. The guy is electric. Health is the key here. If he's healthy and hasn't lost a step, Carroll will have his Reggie Bush, and he will use him.
gpthatsme
Footballguy
There are less than 20 weeks until the season opener, and Leon is just now starting to run again, and only in a straight line. No cutting. He won't be 100% by the start of the season. Forsett will get his shot to start the season. Lendale will be the goal-line/short yardage back. They will sprinkle Leon in as he regains 100% strength and confidence in the leg. At that point, we will see who is better...
LEON REHAB UPDATE LINK FROM LAST WEEK
LEON REHAB UPDATE LINK FROM LAST WEEK
That article says he should be ready for training camp, just not at 100%. If he's taking part in training camp there's a decent shot he's ready for the season.I do agree he won't hit the ground running to start the year, but it's not like it looks like he's heading for PUP or anything - if all goes well he should be good to go game 1.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think the Forsett supporters are significantly underestimating the relevance of a new coach bringing in his own guys.
Forsett did some nice things last year, but we're not talking about an incumbent 1200 yard rusher here.
Maybe he does eventually earn the job if White/Leon falter, but one would think that those two are going to be given every chance when the season opens.
Forsett did some nice things last year, but we're not talking about an incumbent 1200 yard rusher here.
Maybe he does eventually earn the job if White/Leon falter, but one would think that those two are going to be given every chance when the season opens.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Bizarre. No other coach has ever said stuff like this before unless they mean it.
Maybe, but after having watched all of those guys play, I think Forsett is easily the best RB on the Seahawks' current roster.Forsett >>> Leon Washington >>> Julius Jones > LenDale White.That's a bit simplistic because they have different niches; but in an overall sense, that's how I see it.JMHO.
I watched the interview with Carroll, not sure what he has to gain by talking up White/Washington as starters if he's lying through his teeth - I guess maybe you could say he's trying to motivate Forsett, but other than that what would his motivation be? He's not trying to trade anyone and pump up their value or anything, and he looks like a fool if Washington/White are dismal failures. He could have just as easily said he traded for these guys because he wanted some healthy competition for Forsett, or they could be backup/COP/goal line types, but he didn't. It doesn't seem like there would be anything to gain from him by saying this unless he meant it, but I'm open to theories.
Arch Stanton
Footballguy
Cacksman speaks only for himself. He still thinks Alexander has a few good years left in him. BTW Cacks, this is the Internet Age. You don't have to be a fan of a team to know what you're talking about. And in fact, since you're not a fan of the Titans or Jets, then by your own admission, you don't know what you're talking about with Fatty and Swifty. I'm further, not really sure you know what you're talking about with Carroll since you're not a USC fan.Cack aside, this is a big mess, but a good one for Seattle. I don't see how Fatty is going to be in the running for the "starting" gig, but he's a great GL and short yardage guy and he actually had a burst last year past the LOS that makes him viable for the job should he show PC that he's committed to working hard (though as I am not a Titan fan I certainly don't know anything about him).If Leon is near to what he was before the injury, I could see him and Forsett splitting most of the carries. I'm not sure how good of a blocker Leon is, but Forsett really improved in that capacity last year by the end of the season. But I don't see Leon being the "starter" either. Forsett is good but not great. Mora misused him last year (as he did with nearly everything) by insisting that Julia got in even when it was clear that Forsett was the better back in the game, so I can clearly not choose the cup in front of me.None of these guys cost the Seahawks anything to obtain so it's win-win-win for them no matter who they end up running with. This will be one of the most interesting pre-season training camp battles to watch and will give FFers a major headache all season long. My $ is on Fatty to end up with the most TDs regardless.
djmich
Footballguy
Of all the scenarios for how Seattle was going to supplement at RB, competing against LenDale White and Leon Washington was one of the better ones for Forsett.
dmac37
Footballguy
I felt pretty good as a Forsett owner when it was just Lendale but "Neon Leon" can flat out play and for Carroll to grab him already having Forsett is not a good sign. Forsett owners can only hope that Leon is not ready to roll at the start of the season and will be more of a return man. "If" Washington does not recover from the injury then Forsett could be the guy.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I think people are sleeping on Lendale because he didn't put up big numbers the last couple years. It's easy to call him Lenwhale or Fatdale or whatever, but he had 300 carries for 1100 yards and 7 TDs the year before he got paired with one of the top runners in the NFL. Then he was relegated to the role of goal line guy, and he got a pretty impressive 15 TDs. People probably remember that year more than anything, and write him off as a short yardage back, but he's more than just a touchdown and third and one guy. I was actually really hoping the Pats got him on the cheap.
I fully understand that he's not the "most talented" guy on the team, especially if you define talent by YPC. But what he IS is the kind of guy that you run, run, run with, and then you bring in the Forsett or Washington and watch them break the big run. Carroll knows that, because that's (a simplified version of) what he did with White and Bush, and I think that's what he wanted.
Which makes more sense, that he's going to run the big guy a lot, soften the defense, and bring in 5'8" 190 lb running back with a 5YPC as a third down back? Or that he's going to play the waterbugs as every down backs and use Lendale strictly on the goal line?
I fully understand that he's not the "most talented" guy on the team, especially if you define talent by YPC. But what he IS is the kind of guy that you run, run, run with, and then you bring in the Forsett or Washington and watch them break the big run. Carroll knows that, because that's (a simplified version of) what he did with White and Bush, and I think that's what he wanted.
Which makes more sense, that he's going to run the big guy a lot, soften the defense, and bring in 5'8" 190 lb running back with a 5YPC as a third down back? Or that he's going to play the waterbugs as every down backs and use Lendale strictly on the goal line?
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dmac37
Footballguy
Either way the problem is Lendale & Forsett or Lendale & Leon would not be bad for fantasy but I think Forsett & Leon will cancel each other out.
Football Critic
Footballguy
I love the remarks about how people think that White is a horrible player.
Makes me wonder if they really know what they are talking about.
Makes me wonder if they really know what they are talking about.
