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Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews PPR analysis (1 Viewer)

DansRams

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As the Foster hype train took off I decided to do a simple analysis of Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews in ppr. I consider TD's/Goal line, Rushing yardage and Receiving. Withing those three categories I consider Talent, and Situation/Opportunity.

TD/Goal line – Foster

Foster bulked up this year to 229 and looks every bit of it (without losing quickness). If there was any question about who the goal line back is, he answered that yesterday and looked very good doing it. He is also in the best offense with arguably the best OL of the three teams. Moreno has decent power but I’d say a notch lower. He is also the obvious GL back in Denver. Mathews looks very good as well and could be the best of the three, but then there is this Tolbert thing and his offence is behind Fosters (better than Moreno) and his OL is the worst of the three (Assuming Clady is ok). If Mathews was the guaranteed GL back without Tolbert interference, he would be number 2.

Rushing – (Foster and Mathews)

Mathews is the best talent, but Foster has the much better situation (OL and WR situation). All three will get around 250 carries. Mathews talent is clearly better than Moreno and Foster, and his situation is better than Moreno’s (although his OL/Jax is still a concern, so I don’t think it’s a ton better than Moreno’s, but nevertheless better). His team’s offence versus Foster’s is a lot to overcome. I think Moreno has better vision and agility/quickness than Foster and that more than offsets Fosters power. Foster’s situation is just so much better. Mathews is just better (situation and talent)

If forced to rank, I would go Foster, Mathews, then Moreno, but IMO it is too close to call between Foster and Mathews.

Receiving – Moreno

One of the things that made Moreno a 1st round pick was his all around (if unspectacular) ability. He is a good receiver and his coach seems to want him to be a three down back. I think he is capable of at least 50 catches. Foster just had 4 catches yesterday and looks like he has ability and situation to catch 40 balls this year, although Slaton could impact that. I think Mathews similarly could catch 40 balls, although Sproles could impact that. I give Foster the very slight edge due to the offense he is in.

Overall

Based on the analysis above Foster would be my GL favorite and swaps a rushing versus reciving advantage with Moreno. His GL advantage and overall situation will set him apart from the other two. Mathews is behind Moreno in GL and receiving, but better in rushing. Moreno is number 2 in GL, although it’s a very small advantage/if any, and number 1 in receiving. His rushing yardage shouldn’t be too far from, Mathews or Foster. If Mathews does lose the GL job to Tolbert, Moreno would pass Mathews in my rankings if healthy. The hamstring keeps him in the bottom of my rankings (for these three this season) either way.

In the most recent rankings I have seen, Mathews has been in the 10-15 range, Moreno the 15-19 range and Foster 25-32 range. When is was assumed that Moreno was healthy (pre-injury), Moreno was ranked 11-15.

So IMO, this analysis suggests that maybe Foster should be in the 10-15 range with Mathews.

Thoughts?

< No insults please, it only takes away from what could be an interesting debate.>

 
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As the Foster hype train took off I decided to do a simple analysis of Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews in ppr. I consider TD's/Goal line, Rushing yardage and Receiving. Withing those three categories I consider Talent, and Situation/Opportunity.

TD/Goal line – Foster

Foster bulked up this year to 229 and looks every bit of it (without losing quickness). If there was any question about who the goal line back is, he answered that yesterday and looked very good doing it. He is also in the best offense with arguably the best OL of the three teams. Moreno has decent power but I’d say a notch lower. He is also the obvious GL back in Denver. Mathews looks very good as well and could be the best of the three, but then there is this Tolbert thing and his offence is behind Fosters (better than Moreno) and his OL is the worst of the three (Assuming Clady is ok). If Mathews was the guaranteed GL back without Tolbert interference, he would be number 2.

Rushing – (Foster and Mathews)

Mathews is the best talent, but Foster has the much better situation (OL and WR situation). All three will get around 250 carries. Mathews talent is clearly better than Moreno and Foster, and his situation is better than Moreno’s (although his OL/Jax is still a concern, so I don’t think it’s a ton better than Moreno’s, but nevertheless better). His team’s offence versus Foster’s is a lot to overcome. I think Moreno has better vision and agility/quickness than Foster and that more than offsets Fosters power. Foster’s situation is just so much better. Mathews is just better (situation and talent)

If forced to rank, I would go Foster, Mathews, then Moreno, but IMO it is too close to call between Foster and Mathews.

Receiving – Moreno

One of the things that made Moreno a 1st round pick was his all around (if unspectacular) ability. He is a good receiver and his coach seems to want him to be a three down back. I think he is capable of at least 50 catches. Foster just had 4 catches yesterday and looks like he has ability and situation to catch 40 balls this year, although Slaton could impact that. I think Mathews similarly could catch 40 balls, although Sproles could impact that. I give Foster the very slight edge due to the offense he is in.

Overall

Based on the analysis above Foster would be my GL favorite and swaps a rushing versus reciving advantage with Moreno. His GL advantage and overall situation will set him apart from the other two. Mathews is behind Moreno in GL and receiving, but better in rushing. Moreno is number 2 in GL, although it’s a very small advantage/if any, and number 1 in receiving. His rushing yardage shouldn’t be too far from, Mathews or Foster. If Mathews does lose the GL job to Tolbert, Moreno would pass Mathews in my rankings if healthy. The hamstring keeps him in the bottom of my rankings (for these three this season) either way.

In the most recent rankings I have seen, Mathews has been in the 10-15 range, Moreno the 15-19 range and Foster 25-32 range. When is was assumed that Moreno was healthy (pre-injury), Moreno was ranked 11-15.

So IMO, this analysis suggests that maybe Foster should be in the 10-15 range with Mathews.

Thoughts?

< No insults please, it only takes away from what could be an interesting debate.>
no replies?
 
no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insults

If you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO

 
I think you may have something there actually. I think people are overlooking Foster. He will finish in the top 12 barring injury.

 
when people see mathews, they think good pedigree, high upside, 1st round pick.

when people see foster, they think UDFA.

believe me, it's better for you that most think this way. because while they are using a first rounder on mathews, you will be wating for your 1st round production from foster much much later.

 
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no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insultsIf you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO
Why? Why don't you line up your thoughts on the situation like I did. Why wouldn't it be worth a look? How about you post what your expected number of carries, rush yards, rec, rec yards and total td's for both?I'd like to see how different it looks from that view.As I see itMathews 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40 40/320 10 tds/13 if number one GL backFoster 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40/320 14 tdsMoreno 250/975 50/350 11 tds
 
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no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insultsIf you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO
Why? Why don't you line up your thoughts on the situation like I did. Why wouldn't it be worth a look? How about you post what your expected number of carries, rush yards, rec, rec yards and total td's for both?I'd like to see how different it looks from that view.As I see itMathews 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40 40/320 10 tds/13 if number one GL backFoster 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40/320 14 tdsMoreno 250/975 50/350 11 tds
the point he was trying to say was that why would you take him in front of both? yes he can possibly have as good a season as the other 2 but if you like the guy dont reach for him. get him a round above his adp. you are not getting value for your pick if you draft him above mathews in the 2nd rd. :deadhorse: i personally dont like foster from what ive seen last year. :X kubiak has him on a short leash. ill also plan on getting jeremiah johnson much later and see if he can emerge as the starter.
 
no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insultsIf you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO
Why? Why don't you line up your thoughts on the situation like I did. Why wouldn't it be worth a look? How about you post what your expected number of carries, rush yards, rec, rec yards and total td's for both?I'd like to see how different it looks from that view.As I see itMathews 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40 40/320 10 tds/13 if number one GL backFoster 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40/320 14 tdsMoreno 250/975 50/350 11 tds
the point he was trying to say was that why would you take him in front of both? yes he can possibly have as good a season as the other 2 but if you like the guy dont reach for him. get him a round above his adp. you are not getting value for your pick if you draft him above mathews in the 2nd rd. :deadhorse: i personally dont like foster from what ive seen last year. :X kubiak has him on a short leash. ill also plan on getting jeremiah johnson much later and see if he can emerge as the starter.
When did I say anything about drafting him ahead? :X I would certainly use ADP as a part of my draft strategy. I was simply ranking based on what I think they will do.
 
no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insultsIf you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO
Why? Why don't you line up your thoughts on the situation like I did. Why wouldn't it be worth a look? How about you post what your expected number of carries, rush yards, rec, rec yards and total td's for both?I'd like to see how different it looks from that view.As I see itMathews 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40 40/320 10 tds/13 if number one GL backFoster 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40/320 14 tdsMoreno 250/975 50/350 11 tds
the point he was trying to say was that why would you take him in front of both? yes he can possibly have as good a season as the other 2 but if you like the guy dont reach for him. get him a round above his adp. you are not getting value for your pick if you draft him above mathews in the 2nd rd. :deadhorse: i personally dont like foster from what ive seen last year. :X kubiak has him on a short leash. ill also plan on getting jeremiah johnson much later and see if he can emerge as the starter.
When did I say anything about drafting him ahead? :confused: I would certainly use ADP as a part of my draft strategy. I was simply ranking based on what I think they will do.
im sorry i must have mis understood what "Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews PPR analysis, Should Foster get drafted in front of both?" meant i would change the topic title if thats not what you meant its confusing
 
The fact your are comparing the 3 of these guys and it's difficult to decide is why you should pass on Mathews and pick up one of the others 2 or even 3 rounds laters in fantasy football drafts.

 
The fact your are comparing the 3 of these guys and it's difficult to decide is why you should pass on Mathews and pick up one of the others 2 or even 3 rounds laters in fantasy football drafts.
I agree and definitely agree with Foster. The Moreno hamstring, and depending on what you project the impact of that to be, makes Moreno questionable, but possibly the better value as well. Personally I think this risk that the hammy will be a problem most of the year is too high.
 
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Thanks for your rankings but what is your logic? Is Mathews better positioned for more yards? Why? More carries or more ypc? Who do you see getting more td opportunities? The RB in the Houston offence and unquestioned GL back or the back in the SD offence (w/o their starting LT and best WR) who may compete with Tolbert for GL carries? Do you think Mathews will have more receptions? If so why?
 
no replies....ergo all thoughts on it were insultsIf you had framed it as Foster vs Moreno you would have had some replies - when you included Matthews it became a question without merit ......IMO
Why? Why don't you line up your thoughts on the situation like I did. Why wouldn't it be worth a look? How about you post what your expected number of carries, rush yards, rec, rec yards and total td's for both?I'd like to see how different it looks from that view.As I see itMathews 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40 40/320 10 tds/13 if number one GL backFoster 250/1100 4.4 ypc 40/320 14 tdsMoreno 250/975 50/350 11 tds
the point he was trying to say was that why would you take him in front of both? yes he can possibly have as good a season as the other 2 but if you like the guy dont reach for him. get him a round above his adp. you are not getting value for your pick if you draft him above mathews in the 2nd rd. :popcorn: i personally dont like foster from what ive seen last year. :) kubiak has him on a short leash. ill also plan on getting jeremiah johnson much later and see if he can emerge as the starter.
When did I say anything about drafting him ahead? :thumbup: I would certainly use ADP as a part of my draft strategy. I was simply ranking based on what I think they will do.
im sorry i must have mis understood what "Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews PPR analysis, Should Foster get drafted in front of both?" meant i would change the topic title if thats not what you meant its confusing
LOL sorry...forgot I put that in there. I really wasn't ever thinking actually drafting him that early, I was think Foster in the late 3rd/4th versus Mathews (early 1st/2nd)....I changed the description to what their points actually end up.
 
As the Foster hype train took off I decided to do a simple analysis of Foster versus Moreno versus Mathews in ppr. I consider TD's/Goal line, Rushing yardage and Receiving. Withing those three categories I consider Talent, and Situation/Opportunity.

TD/Goal line – Foster

Foster bulked up this year to 229 and looks every bit of it (without losing quickness). If there was any question about who the goal line back is, he answered that yesterday and looked very good doing it. He is also in the best offense with arguably the best OL of the three teams. Moreno has decent power but I’d say a notch lower. He is also the obvious GL back in Denver. Mathews looks very good as well and could be the best of the three, but then there is this Tolbert thing and his offence is behind Fosters (better than Moreno) and his OL is the worst of the three (Assuming Clady is ok). If Mathews was the guaranteed GL back without Tolbert interference, he would be number 2.

Rushing – (Foster and Mathews)

Mathews is the best talent, but Foster has the much better situation (OL and WR situation). All three will get around 250 carries. Mathews talent is clearly better than Moreno and Foster, and his situation is better than Moreno’s (although his OL/Jax is still a concern, so I don’t think it’s a ton better than Moreno’s, but nevertheless better). His team’s offence versus Foster’s is a lot to overcome. I think Moreno has better vision and agility/quickness than Foster and that more than offsets Fosters power. Foster’s situation is just so much better. Mathews is just better (situation and talent)

If forced to rank, I would go Foster, Mathews, then Moreno, but IMO it is too close to call between Foster and Mathews.

Receiving – Moreno

One of the things that made Moreno a 1st round pick was his all around (if unspectacular) ability. He is a good receiver and his coach seems to want him to be a three down back. I think he is capable of at least 50 catches. Foster just had 4 catches yesterday and looks like he has ability and situation to catch 40 balls this year, although Slaton could impact that. I think Mathews similarly could catch 40 balls, although Sproles could impact that. I give Foster the very slight edge due to the offense he is in.

Overall

Based on the analysis above Foster would be my GL favorite and swaps a rushing versus reciving advantage with Moreno. His GL advantage and overall situation will set him apart from the other two. Mathews is behind Moreno in GL and receiving, but better in rushing. Moreno is number 2 in GL, although it’s a very small advantage/if any, and number 1 in receiving. His rushing yardage shouldn’t be too far from, Mathews or Foster. If Mathews does lose the GL job to Tolbert, Moreno would pass Mathews in my rankings if healthy. The hamstring keeps him in the bottom of my rankings (for these three this season) either way.

In the most recent rankings I have seen, Mathews has been in the 10-15 range, Moreno the 15-19 range and Foster 25-32 range. When is was assumed that Moreno was healthy (pre-injury), Moreno was ranked 11-15.

So IMO, this analysis suggests that maybe Foster should be in the 10-15 range with Mathews.

Thoughts?

< No insults please, it only takes away from what could be an interesting debate.>
Looks like I had this one pegged

 

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