Frank Gore's 2006 under a simple ranking system (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

Frank Gore averaged 5.43 yards per carry last year. All NFL RBs averaged 4.19 YPC in 2006, meaning Gore averaged 1.24 more yards per carry than the average running back. Since Gore had 312 carries, he added (in some sense) 387 more rushing yards for the 49ers than an average runner. That 387 figure ranks as the 17th best for a RB since 1960 of the last 50 years (Edit: The data is from 1957-2006). Here are the top 30 seasons since 1960.

Name				   Year	Tm	 Rsh	Yard	YPC	 LgAvg   Yardage AddedBarry Sanders		  1997	det	335	2053	6.13	4.01	710.00Jim Brown			  1963	cle	291	1863	6.40	4.08	676.64O.J. Simpson		   1973	buf	332	2003	6.03	4.03	665.18Barry Sanders		  1994	det	331	1883	5.69	3.75	640.28Eric Dickerson		 1984	ram	379	2105	5.55	4.06	565.01Walter Payton		  1977	chi	339	1852	5.46	3.85	545.83O.J. Simpson		   1975	buf	329	1817	5.52	3.95	517.29Earl Campbell		  1980	oil	373	1934	5.18	3.96	458.10Terrell Davis		  1998	den	392	2008	5.12	3.98	449.59Jamal Lewis			2003	rav	387	2066	5.34	4.18	447.78Jim Brown			  1965	cle	289	1544	5.34	3.90	417.60Tiki Barber			2005	nyg	357	1860	5.21	4.07	407.39Otis Armstrong		 1974	den	263	1407	5.35	3.83	399.51Ahman Green			2003	gnb	355	1883	5.30	4.18	398.59Marshall Faulk		 1999	ram	253	1381	5.46	3.89	397.67Jim Brown			  1958	cle	257	1527	5.94	4.42	391.18Frank Gore			 2006	sfo	312	1695	5.43	4.19	387.18Larry Johnson		  2005	kan	336	1750	5.21	4.07	382.84Emmitt Smith		   1993	dal	283	1486	5.25	3.91	379.07Clinton Portis		 2003	den	290	1591	5.49	4.18	378.38Clinton Portis		 2002	den	273	1508	5.52	4.15	374.54Shaun Alexander		2005	sea	370	1880	5.08	4.07	374.49James Brooks		   1989	cin	221	1239	5.61	3.92	373.18Barry Sanders		  1989	det	280	1470	5.25	3.92	373.03Jim Brown			  1960	cle	215	1257	5.85	4.16	363.03LaDainian Tomlinson	2006	sdg	348	1815	5.22	4.19	356.28Jim Taylor			 1962	gnb	272	1474	5.42	4.12	354.66Barry Sanders		  1996	det	307	1553	5.06	3.90	354.35Mercury Morris		 1973	mia	149	 954	6.40	4.03	353.59Marshall Faulk		 2000	ram	253	1359	5.37	3.99	349.02

 

[Phlash]

Very good breakdown :thumbsup:

Clinton Portis was so good his first two years. Damn shame he didn't play with the Broncs longer.

 

[LHUCKS]

It was even more impressive given the offensive line...a lot of those guys on that list had vastly superior O lines.

Gore is a beast.

 

[Otis]

That's some ridiculous company to be in right there.

 

[mdog1967]

That's some ridiculous company to be in right there.

Any minute now somone will chime in with "I'm Statying awy from Gore this year because he is Injury Prone". He had his knees rebuilt, if you have ever played sports and been around folks with those types of injuries it is most times a condition well established long before the problem required surgery. Fact is after surgery and proper re-habilitation those knees are as good as new, if the surgry went well and if the recovery is not hampered by Drinking. The time frame from surgery to playing back on the Field was 8 months. The normal recovery period for most backs to even see the field again is 1 to 1.5 years. J. Lewis, Willis McGahee and Brian Westbrook are three examples of players returning from the same type of Injuies. Gore stayed Healthy all year last year and should fair much better this season. I think Gore's avg ypc will increase by half a yard. Miami coach Larry Coker coached the following players:Barry SandersThurman ThomasClinton PortisWillis McGaheeEdgerrin JamesCoker said that Gore was the best back he coached since Barry Sanders.....Gore is a Beast

 

[GregR_2]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

 

[Chase Stuart]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

 

[GregR_2]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

I'm sure it is, but the one I mentioned seemed to me a big enough one I'd not read the results as being anything other than a comparison to players since they went to 16 games.

 

[Chase Stuart]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

I'm sure it is, but the one I mentioned seemed to me a big enough one I'd not read the results as being anything other than a comparison to players since they went to 16 games.

Nine of the 30 players are from before 1978. Four of the top seven players are from pre-1978. That doesn't seem overly biased, to me. I can see a good argument being made for yardage added per team game as being more useful, though.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

League average starter or league average of all RBs who received a carry?

 

[Chase Stuart]

League average starter or league average of all RBs who received a carry?

The latter.

 

[GregR_2]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

I'm sure it is, but the one I mentioned seemed to me a big enough one I'd not read the results as being anything other than a comparison to players since they went to 16 games.

Nine of the 30 players are from before 1978. Four of the top seven players are from pre-1978. That doesn't seem overly biased, to me. I can see a good argument being made for yardage added per team game as being more useful, though.

A quick look at the bottom 3 pre-1978 players suggests they are ranked about 15 spots too low. Adjusting by 1/8 of your points moves you a long way once you get out of the top spots. Without having seen the list of players past 30, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 6-10 of the post-1978 players at the bottom of the list fall off, with a possibility Gore barely even makes the top 30.

 

[Chase Stuart]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

I'm sure it is, but the one I mentioned seemed to me a big enough one I'd not read the results as being anything other than a comparison to players since they went to 16 games.

Nine of the 30 players are from before 1978. Four of the top seven players are from pre-1978. That doesn't seem overly biased, to me. I can see a good argument being made for yardage added per team game as being more useful, though.

A quick look at the bottom 3 pre-1978 players suggests they are ranked about 15 spots too low. Adjusting by 1/8 of your points moves you a long way once you get out of the top spots. Without having seen the list of players past 30, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 6-10 of the post-1978 players at the bottom of the list fall off, with a possibility Gore barely even makes the top 30.

I'll check on that in a minute, but I don't think a straight 1/8 adjustment is appropriate. It's more impressive to be excellent for 16 games than for 14 games. And any additional game where a player does not average the league average YPC isn't going to help him one bit.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think an interesting way of doing this would be yards added over league averaged based on rushing D SOS.

For example (making up numbers), RB1 goes up against the Ravens who are giving up 3.5 YPC. RB1 gets 4.5 ypc with 20 carries against the Ravens. RB1 gained +20 yards vs the average RB who faced the Ravens. Add up the RBs expected rushing total vs his actual total and the highest positive number did the best accounting for SOS.

 

[Otis]

I think Gore's avg ypc will increase by half a yard.

I love Frank Gore as much as anyone on this board, but this is just nutso.

 

[GregR_2]

That list is awfully biased against 40% of the data set unless you adjusted for differing # of games in a season already without saying so. Gore for example picks up over 50 yards just because he played more games than guys from the 60s and 70s.

The list is biased against lots of things. That's why I called it a simple ranking system.

I'm sure it is, but the one I mentioned seemed to me a big enough one I'd not read the results as being anything other than a comparison to players since they went to 16 games.

Nine of the 30 players are from before 1978. Four of the top seven players are from pre-1978. That doesn't seem overly biased, to me. I can see a good argument being made for yardage added per team game as being more useful, though.

A quick look at the bottom 3 pre-1978 players suggests they are ranked about 15 spots too low. Adjusting by 1/8 of your points moves you a long way once you get out of the top spots. Without having seen the list of players past 30, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 6-10 of the post-1978 players at the bottom of the list fall off, with a possibility Gore barely even makes the top 30.

I'll check on that in a minute, but I don't think a straight 1/8 adjustment is appropriate. It's more impressive to be excellent for 16 games than for 14 games. And any additional game where a player does not average the league average YPC isn't going to help him one bit.

And a game where he averages better than the league average ypc or where he gets more than his average # of carries per game is going to help him more. In Gore's case he has a lower ypc in those games which brought the season average you were already using down, but he also got more 3 carries than his average for 2 games so his particular results benefited by more than 1/8.I understand you were just making a simple system and I know I'm debating the system. I think this effect is large enough it needs to be accounted for, but I don't know that worrying about the minute differences for adjusting by other than 1/8 is worthwhile even in fixing it. If I were going to spend any time on the system beyond just bumping guys by 1/8 I'd consider effect of not playing a full season and if it should be accounted for, and whether the league talent being dilluted by the # of teams affected it.Speaking of which, if no one has looked at that, that might be a great thing to look at some day. What happens to the "average" player/position when you add expansion teams. On one hand you can say the average player at the position got worse since we added 2 new teams worth of guys who weren't good enough to start previously. But on the other hand the existing players may have done better against the now-weaker defenses that it balances out the lesser RBs now starting that would have otherwise brought down the average.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Gore moves to 22nd. Here's a list of the top 50 from the last 50 years, sorted by yardaged added per team game:

Name				   Year	Tm	 Rsh	Yard	YPC	 LgAvg   Yrd Added   TmGm  Yardage Added Per Team GameJim Brown			  1963	cle	291	1863	6.40	4.08	676.64		14	48.33O.J. Simpson		   1973	buf	332	2003	6.03	4.03	665.18		14	47.51Barry Sanders		  1997	det	335	2053	6.13	4.01	710.00		16	44.38Barry Sanders		  1994	det	331	1883	5.69	3.75	640.28		16	40.02Walter Payton		  1977	chi	339	1852	5.46	3.85	545.83		14	38.99O.J. Simpson		   1975	buf	329	1817	5.52	3.95	517.29		14	36.95Eric Dickerson		 1984	ram	379	2105	5.55	4.06	565.01		16	35.31Jim Brown			  1958	cle	257	1527	5.94	4.42	391.18		12	32.60Jim Brown			  1960	cle	215	1257	5.85	4.16	363.03		12	30.25Jim Brown			  1965	cle	289	1544	5.34	3.90	417.60		14	29.83Earl Campbell		  1980	oil	373	1934	5.18	3.96	458.10		16	28.63Otis Armstrong		 1974	den	263	1407	5.35	3.83	399.51		14	28.54Terrell Davis		  1998	den	392	2008	5.12	3.98	449.59		16	28.10Jamal Lewis			2003	rav	387	2066	5.34	4.18	447.78		16	27.99John David Crow		1960	crd	183	1071	5.85	4.16	310.08		12	25.84Tiki Barber			2005	nyg	357	1860	5.21	4.07	407.39		16	25.46Jim Taylor			 1962	gnb	272	1474	5.42	4.12	354.66		14	25.33Mercury Morris		 1973	mia	149	 954	6.40	4.03	353.59		14	25.26Ahman Green			2003	gnb	355	1883	5.30	4.18	398.59		16	24.91Marshall Faulk		 1999	ram	253	1381	5.46	3.89	397.67		16	24.85Gale Sayers			1966	chi	229	1231	5.38	3.88	342.30		14	24.45Frank Gore			 2006	sfo	312	1695	5.43	4.19	387.18		16	24.20Paul Lowe			  1960	sdg	136	 855	6.29	4.16	289.51		12	24.13Larry Johnson		  2005	kan	336	1750	5.21	4.07	382.84		16	23.93Emmitt Smith		   1993	dal	283	1486	5.25	3.91	379.07		16	23.69Clinton Portis		 2003	den	290	1591	5.49	4.18	378.38		16	23.65O.J. Simpson		   1976	buf	290	1503	5.18	4.04	330.96		14	23.64Jim Brown			  1964	cle	280	1446	5.16	3.98	330.92		14	23.64Leroy Kelly			1966	cle	209	1141	5.46	3.88	329.92		14	23.57Clinton Portis		 2002	den	273	1508	5.52	4.15	374.54		16	23.41Shaun Alexander		2005	sea	370	1880	5.08	4.07	374.49		16	23.41James Brooks		   1989	cin	221	1239	5.61	3.92	373.18		16	23.32Barry Sanders		  1989	det	280	1470	5.25	3.92	373.03		16	23.31Freeman McNeil		 1982	nyj	151	 786	5.21	3.85	204.45		 9	22.72Gale Sayers			1968	chi	138	 856	6.20	3.93	313.63		14	22.40LaDainian Tomlinson	2006	sdg	348	1815	5.22	4.19	356.28		16	22.27Barry Sanders		  1996	det	307	1553	5.06	3.90	354.35		16	22.15Marshall Faulk		 2000	ram	253	1359	5.37	3.99	349.02		16	21.81Keith Lincoln		  1963	sdg	128	 826	6.45	4.08	304.17		14	21.73Jim Taylor			 1961	gnb	243	1307	5.38	4.14	301.32		14	21.52Robert Smith		   2000	min	295	1521	5.16	3.99	343.35		16	21.46Jim Nance			  1966	nwe	299	1458	4.88	3.88	297.65		14	21.26Garrison Hearst		1998	sfo	310	1570	5.06	3.98	337.59		16	21.10LaDainian Tomlinson	2003	sdg	313	1645	5.26	4.18	336.21		16	21.01Robert Smith		   1997	min	232	1266	5.46	4.01	335.93		16	21.00Franco Harris		  1972	pit	188	1055	5.61	4.05	293.72		14	20.98Don Woods			  1974	sdg	227	1162	5.12	3.83	292.42		14	20.89Marshall Faulk		 2001	ram	260	1382	5.32	4.04	331.88		16	20.74Paul Lowe			  1963	sdg	177	1010	5.71	4.08	288.40		14	20.60Leroy Kelly			1967	cle	235	1205	5.13	3.91	286.33		14	20.45

4 players from the 12 game schedule (five years, 1957-1960, 1987), 20 from the 14 game schedule (seventeen years, 1961-1977), 25 players from the 16 game schedule (1978-1981, 1983-1986, 1988-2006, twenty seven years) and 1 player from the 9 game schedule (1982). So that fits pretty well.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think an interesting way of doing this would be yards added over league averaged based on rushing D SOS.

For example (making up numbers), RB1 goes up against the Ravens who are giving up 3.5 YPC. RB1 gets 4.5 ypc with 20 carries against the Ravens. RB1 gained +20 yards vs the average RB who faced the Ravens. Add up the RBs expected rushing total vs his actual total and the highest positive number did the best accounting for SOS.

I think this is what you're looking for.

 

[GregR_2]

Gore moves to 22nd. Here's a list of the top 50 from the last 50 years, sorted by yardaged added per team game:...

Cool, thanks Chase.

 

[Chase Stuart]

And a game where he averages better than the league average ypc or where he gets more than his average # of carries per game is going to help him more. In Gore's case he has a lower ypc in those games which brought the season average you were already using down, but he also got more 3 carries than his average for 2 games so his particular results benefited by more than 1/8.

I don't understand what this means.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

It was even more impressive given the offensive line...a lot of those guys on that list had vastly superior O lines.

Like Barry Sanders, who has the top season among a several others?Barry was a phenom...

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Barry SandersThurman ThomasClinton PortisWillis McGaheeEdgerrin JamesCoker said that Gore was the best back he coached since Barry Sanders.....Gore is a Beast

Well, Thurman was before Barry, so you should take him off the list.

 

[LuckyOne]

So, Terrell Davis should go into the hall of fame. Very interesting.

 

[Chase Stuart]

So, Terrell Davis should go into the hall of fame. Very interesting.

Yes, right next to Jamal Lewis.

 

[Statorama]

At least Gore will have something nice to think about while watching the playoffs on TV again this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

At least Gore will have something nice to think about while watching the playoffs on TV again this year.

I have my doubts that the 49ers will make the playoffs in 2007 as well. They were outscored by 138 points in the first halves of games last year; this is a team that needed to make a ton of improvements in the off-season to compete for a playoff spot. They had one of the better off-seasons in the league, but I'm not sure they've done enough.

 

[menobrown]

That's some ridiculous company to be in right there.

Any minute now somone will chime in with "I'm Statying awy from Gore this year because he is Injury Prone". He had his knees rebuilt

Don't forget he also had major shoulder surgery on BOTH shoulders. For you to say his two major knee surgeries are not a concern is, IMO, incredibly optimistic but to allude to it actually being a positive exceeds optimism.I just don't think Gore can be a back like LT, Alexander, Curtis Martin, Tiki,etc, etc. Meaning he won't be the kind of back who holds up for all 16 games for multiple seasons. I owned Gore last season in my biggest league, loved it but truly never thought he'd make it through the season and I have my doubts he can make it through two in a row.

 

[veto87]

That's some ridiculous company to be in right there.

Any minute now somone will chime in with "I'm Statying awy from Gore this year because he is Injury Prone". He had his knees rebuilt, if you have ever played sports and been around folks with those types of injuries it is most times a condition well established long before the problem required surgery. Fact is after surgery and proper re-habilitation those knees are as good as new, if the surgery went well and if the recovery is not hampered by Drinking. The time frame from surgery to playing back on the Field was 8 months. The normal recovery period for most backs to even see the field again is 1 to 1.5 years. J. Lewis, Willis McGahee and Brian Westbrook are three examples of players returning from the same type of Injuies. Gore stayed Healthy all year last year and should fair much better this season. I think Gore's avg ypc will increase by half a yard.

Miami coach Larry Coker coached the following players:

Barry Sanders

Thurman Thomas

Clinton Portis

Willis McGahee

Edgerrin James

Coker said that Gore was the best back he coached since Barry Sanders.....

Gore is a Beast

if the surgery went well and if the recovery is not hampered by Drinking- how much could a few beers hamper recovery ? Certainly nothing that HGH and steroids can't fix

 

[mdog1967]

That's some ridiculous company to be in right there.

Any minute now somone will chime in with "I'm Statying awy from Gore this year because he is Injury Prone". He had his knees rebuilt, if you have ever played sports and been around folks with those types of injuries it is most times a condition well established long before the problem required surgery. Fact is after surgery and proper re-habilitation those knees are as good as new, if the surgery went well and if the recovery is not hampered by Drinking. The time frame from surgery to playing back on the Field was 8 months. The normal recovery period for most backs to even see the field again is 1 to 1.5 years. J. Lewis, Willis McGahee and Brian Westbrook are three examples of players returning from the same type of Injuies. Gore stayed Healthy all year last year and should fair much better this season. I think Gore's avg ypc will increase by half a yard.

Miami coach Larry Coker coached the following players:

Barry Sanders

Thurman Thomas

Clinton Portis

Willis McGahee

Edgerrin James

Coker said that Gore was the best back he coached since Barry Sanders.....

Gore is a Beast

if the surgery went well and if the recovery is not hampered by Drinking- how much could a few beers hamper recovery ? Certainly nothing that HGH and steroids can't fix

Well let me put my beer down so as to make as few spelling errors as possible.......................I forgot what I was going to say...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Jim Brown 1963 cle 291 1863 6.40 4.08 676.64 14 48.33O.J. Simpson 1973 buf 332 2003 6.03 4.03 665.18 14 47.51Barry Sanders 1997 det 335 2053 6.13 4.01 710.00 16 44.38Barry Sanders 1994 det 331 1883 5.69 3.75 640.28 16 40.02Walter Payton 1977 chi 339 1852 5.46 3.85 545.83 14 38.99O.J. Simpson 1975 buf 329 1817 5.52 3.95 517.29 14 36.95Eric Dickerson 1984 ram 379 2105 5.55 4.06 565.01 16 35.31Jim Brown 1958 cle 257 1527 5.94 4.42 391.18 12 32.60Jim Brown 1960 cle 215 1257 5.85 4.16 363.03 12 30.25Jim Brown 1965 cle 289 1544 5.34 3.90 417.60 14 29.83Earl Campbell 1980 oil 373 1934 5.18 3.96 458.10 16 28.63And just like that you have the 6 greatest RBs to ever touch a football. Apologies to fans of Emmit, LT2, Faulk and Bo and and such. Im not talking about stats or athletic ability, but running backs.