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What's up with Freddy today? I didn't get the Jax-Indy game, but I saw that he was out-performed by Jones-Drew. Did he get hurt (I checked the injury thread, and saw no mention of him) or just get out-performed by Drew? Is this a sign of things to come?

 
Bayhawks said:
What's up with Freddy today? I didn't get the Jax-Indy game, but I saw that he was out-performed by Jones-Drew. Did he get hurt (I checked the injury thread, and saw no mention of him) or just get out-performed by Drew? Is this a sign of things to come?
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We'll see. I've heard nothing about an injury to Taylor, it just looks like they went with Drew. For sure something to keep a close eye on.
 
I did not see the game but did Drew actually look better or just happen to break a long run? I think saying outperformed without seeing the game could be overstating it. And no, I do not own Freddy T on any team.

 
Drew's looking better and better. And I'll tell you guys as a UCLA homer that I REALLY wanted my Bears to get ahold of him after they passed on Marcedes Lewis. He's a poor man's Reggie Bush - and much more durable than he looks.

 
I did not watch the whole game (thanks DTV), but Jones-Drew looked good to me. He reminded me of FWP. He was effective. I did not see enough of Taylor to comment.

 
Warhogs said:
I did not see the game but did Drew actually look better or just happen to break a long run? I think saying outperformed without seeing the game could be overstating it. And no, I do not own Freddy T on any team.
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It pains me to say it as I'm a Fred fan, but Drew just plain looked better. It's not that Fred looked bad, he was running well. But Drew was making people miss, running with power and catching the ball well.
 
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TheLaw said:
nobody watched post-game presser?? No info at all??
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I watched Del Rio's post game press conference and there was no mention of an injury to Taylor. It looks like they just went with Drew.
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I watched good chunks of the game, and they were going 50/50 for the most part. Taylor seemed to get most of the first half carries, but the Colts were having a tougher time stopping the speed of Drew.
 
I watched the game and Fred played well. Drew played really well, showed some great agility and explosiveness. My impression watching the game was the Drew was the hot hand and got more and more playing time because of it.

At the beginning if the game I like what Fred was doing but teh way Drew was making people miss and blowing through the hole was incredible. I own both and am VERY concerned that this has become an official RBBC.

 
Fred didn't get hurt. He and Drew traded in and out all game. Drew looked a lot better, although Fred looked ok himself, Drew looked like a rocketship compared to anybody else out there. Dude's fast. Before Indy's D could even react, Drew was 5 yards downfield.

/Indy homer

//watched the whole game

///worried about the run d & ability to run on offense as well.

 
Drew is going to be a good one.

Fred Taylor is the unquestioned starter. Remember he played on Monday night and ran hard and got hit hard against the Steelers. Recovery at age 30 is a tad longer after a physical game like that. That was probably a huge factor in Drew getting some more work. They need to keep Taylor fresh and healthy. Fred has looked very good thus far.

Just my take.

 
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Todem said:
Drew is going to be a good one.Fred Taylor is the unquestioned starter. remember he played on Monday night and ran hard and got hit hard against the Steelers. revocery at age 30 is a tad longer after a physical game like that. That ws probably a huge factor in Drew getting some more work. They ned to keep Taylor fresh and healthy. Fred has looked very good thus far.Just my take.
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F Taylor got 21 carries for 74 yds. So maybe that was the limit on his touches.Jones-Drew got 13 carries for 103 yds.
 
Bayhawks said:
What's up with Freddy today? I didn't get the Jax-Indy game, but I saw that he was out-performed by Jones-Drew. Did he get hurt (I checked the injury thread, and saw no mention of him) or just get out-performed by Drew? Is this a sign of things to come?
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I think the plan they have for fred this year is to not let him have any more than 21 carries a game, to preserve him for the end of the year/playoffs. So fred will get his 20-21 touches, jones-drew will get the rest. That's the way it's been so far, and i think it will continue that way. I actually think it's a good thing for fred. Reduces his injury risk..
 
Tinkles said:
I watched the game and Fred played well. Drew played really well, showed some great agility and explosiveness. My impression watching the game was the Drew was the hot hand and got more and more playing time because of it. At the beginning if the game I like what Fred was doing but teh way Drew was making people miss and blowing through the hole was incredible. I own both and am VERY concerned that this has become an official RBBC.
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Absolutely correct. I too am an Indy homer and Drew gashed the Indy Def. Taylor looked solid, but Drew had that "burst" that everyone is looking for. Indy made some good adjustments and started bringing a safety up to stop the cutbacks (1st quarter big runs were all against the grain) and Taylor started getting stopped.Indy lines ( both O and Def) are very worrisome!
 
I think it also had something to do with the sets they were running out of. When they got behind and were running out of the shotgun almost exlcusively, Drew was in the game.

 
Anyone want to take a guess where Drew would stand from a dynasty standpoint? It's only one game, but Drew looks like he can handle the load on a great team.

 
Okay I can't take it anymore I wasn't going to chime in but all this drew love is getting out of control. I agree he looked good today but most if not all of his carries came on passing downs out of the shotgun and they were draw plays you people are acting like he lined up in the I fromation and carried the load. I will agree that he looked damn good on those draw plays but you can't judge a NFL RB who get's most of his carries from the shotgun and draw plays. Taylor had a great 1st half but once the colts got the lead and their def got their confiedence and the crowd got behind them they pretty much shut down the jags runing game (Taylor). The colts started to stack the box once they finally realized that conservative ### Del Rio was afraid to pass against them. I will say this I'm impressed with the way Drew hits the whole then make his moves, I think if Taylor would just hit the hole at times he would be better off like on the goal line play if Taylor would have hit the whole he would have scored but instead he did his little jump step and got stuffed behind the line. The bottom lin here is I don't beleive this is a RBBC but Drew is the 3rd down back and will get carries out of passing formations and for the Taylor owners he still got 20 carries and you can't ask for much more than that. That's my rant..........

 
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Okay I can't take it anymore I wasn't going to chime in but all this drew love is getting out of control. I agree he looked good today but most if not all of his carries came on passing downs out of the shotgun and they were draw plays you people are acting like he lined up in the I fromation and carried the load. I will agree that he looked damn good on those draw plays but you can't judge a NFL RB who get's most of his carries from the shotgun and draw plays. Taylor had a great 1st half but once the colts got the lead and their def got their confiedence and the crowd got behind them they pretty much shut down the jags runing game (Taylor). The colts started to stack the box once they finally realized that conservative ### Del Rio was afraid to pass against them. I will say this I'm impressed with the way Drew hits the whole then make his moves, I think if Taylor would just hit the hole at times he would be better off like on the goal line play if Taylor would have hit the whole he would have scored but instead he did his little jump step and got stuffed behind the line. The bottom lin here is I don't beleive this is a RBBC but Drew is the 3rd down back and will get carries out of passing formations and for the Taylor owners he still got 20 carries and you can't ask for much more than that. That's my rant..........
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Agree and Drew is not much bigger than Dave Meggett and I really cannot see him taking a pounding of any kind...he has to run up the sidelines and get out of bounds at this level or he's gonna get hurt.
 
MJD= Quentin Richardson. Both are lightning quick on Indy's turf. Don't expect these numbers or touches on a regular basis. It was the surface.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I said:
Okay I can't take it anymore I wasn't going to chime in but all this drew love is getting out of control. I agree he looked good today but most if not all of his carries came on passing downs out of the shotgun and they were draw plays you people are acting like he lined up in the I fromation and carried the load. I will agree that he looked damn good on those draw plays but you can't judge a NFL RB who get's most of his carries from the shotgun and draw plays. Taylor had a great 1st half but once the colts got the lead and their def got their confiedence and the crowd got behind them they pretty much shut down the jags runing game (Taylor). The colts started to stack the box once they finally realized that conservative ### Del Rio was afraid to pass against them. I will say this I'm impressed with the way Drew hits the whole then make his moves, I think if Taylor would just hit the hole at times he would be better off like on the goal line play if Taylor would have hit the whole he would have scored but instead he did his little jump step and got stuffed behind the line. The bottom lin here is I don't beleive this is a RBBC but Drew is the 3rd down back and will get carries out of passing formations and for the Taylor owners he still got 20 carries and you can't ask for much more than that. That's my rant..........
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Agree and Drew is not much bigger than Dave Meggett and I really cannot see him taking a pounding of any kind...he has to run up the sidelines and get out of bounds at this level or he's gonna get hurt.
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What are you talking about? Meggett weighed a buck eighty. Maurice Drew has at least thirty pounds on him. He's short, not small.
 
Outkast said:
Todem said:
Drew is going to be a good one.Fred Taylor is the unquestioned starter. remember he played on Monday night and ran hard and got hit hard against the Steelers. revocery at age 30 is a tad longer after a physical game like that. That ws probably a huge factor in Drew getting some more work. They ned to keep Taylor fresh and healthy. Fred has looked very good thus far.Just my take.
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F Taylor got 21 carries for 74 yds. So maybe that was the limit on his touches.Jones-Drew got 13 carries for 103 yds.
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And he received them when JAX was down, and INDY was playing that soft cover 2. That allows the opponent to run, but not pass.I think you can see the numbers bare that out.Drew looks good as a change of pace. But I would be Toefield is still the "other" back if Fred were out.I don't think they would hand the job to Drew, he doesn't look like much of a blocker at this point...
 
I don't buy the argument that because he's short that he can't take a pounding. Heighth has nothing to do with the ability to take physical abuse. Muscle mass is the key and in that department Jones Drew probably leads all NFL RB's if you factor his short stature, weight and muscle developement. The guy is shaped like a bowling ball, is very quick and fast, great lateral agility, catches the ball well and can get lower than his tacklers. To think that his role wouldn't increase if Taylor would get injured isn't realistic in my opinion.

JAX wasn't using Jones Drew as a third down back in the 2nd half when I was watching, he was in for the whole series and the chains were moving and when Fred came back in for his series on the next posession JAX stalled out. Jones Drew had to take himself out after coming up hobbling on a play but came back in and played great during his next opportunity so he does look to be able to play in pain.

This kid will be first off my WW this week and I already grabbed him in another league during the game yesterday.

:banned:

 
My take, for anyone who cares. It appeared the Jags decided the best way to attack the Indy defense was using lots of draw plays aimed at getting past the line and then heading to the edge. Taylor looked good in his early carries, but Drew's speed and the design of the plays seemed to make Maurice better-suited for that type of running style. Once the Indy defense figured out what was going on, Taylor lacked the speed to counter their adjustments.

And then when they got behind, I think it just made more sense to stick with Drew. I don't think you'll see him threaten Taylor as the starter and I haven't seen anything about Taylor being injured. I think it was just one of those games.

And BTW, Taylor had a TD handed to him on a silver platter, with a gaping hole to his right just before Scobee missed the short FG. But instead of hitting it hard, he danced behind the line of scrimmage and let Freeney blow up the play. THAT was ugly.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
My take, for anyone who cares. It appeared the Jags decided the best way to attack the Indy defense was using lots of draw plays aimed at getting past the line and then heading to the edge. Taylor looked good in his early carries, but Drew's speed and the design of the plays seemed to make Maurice better-suited for that type of running style. Once the Indy defense figured out what was going on, Taylor lacked the speed to counter their adjustments. And then when they got behind, I think it just made more sense to stick with Drew. I don't think you'll see him threaten Taylor as the starter and I haven't seen anything about Taylor being injured. I think it was just one of those games. And BTW, Taylor had a TD handed to him on a silver platter, with a gaping hole to his right just before Scobee missed the short FG. But instead of hitting it hard, he danced behind the line of scrimmage and let Freeney blow up the play. THAT was ugly.
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Much of Drew's success, especially in the first half, was a result of poor defensive execution. Jacksonville, because of penalties, was faced with 2nd and 20+ to go. Out of the shotgun, they allowed Drew to rack up 30+ yards on two plays. The 2nd half was a different story. In the 3rd, Indy focused on stopping the run and shut down both taylor and Drew. In the 4th, Jacksonville went back to the draw plays. Why not? It worked great in the 1st half & Indy still hadn't adjusted to it. As a Taylor (and Drew) owner, I am concerned about Taylor's dancing around. Granted, it earned him some extra yards on several plays, but there are times, like the one you mentioned, where he has to hit the hole hard.
 
Archie Bunker said:
Bob Sacamano said:
My take, for anyone who cares. It appeared the Jags decided the best way to attack the Indy defense was using lots of draw plays aimed at getting past the line and then heading to the edge. Taylor looked good in his early carries, but Drew's speed and the design of the plays seemed to make Maurice better-suited for that type of running style. Once the Indy defense figured out what was going on, Taylor lacked the speed to counter their adjustments. And then when they got behind, I think it just made more sense to stick with Drew. I don't think you'll see him threaten Taylor as the starter and I haven't seen anything about Taylor being injured. I think it was just one of those games. And BTW, Taylor had a TD handed to him on a silver platter, with a gaping hole to his right just before Scobee missed the short FG. But instead of hitting it hard, he danced behind the line of scrimmage and let Freeney blow up the play. THAT was ugly.
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Much of Drew's success, especially in the first half, was a result of poor defensive execution. Jacksonville, because of penalties, was faced with 2nd and 20+ to go. Out of the shotgun, they allowed Drew to rack up 30+ yards on two plays. The 2nd half was a different story. In the 3rd, Indy focused on stopping the run and shut down both taylor and Drew. In the 4th, Jacksonville went back to the draw plays. Why not? It worked great in the 1st half & Indy still hadn't adjusted to it. As a Taylor (and Drew) owner, I am concerned about Taylor's dancing around. Granted, it earned him some extra yards on several plays, but there are times, like the one you mentioned, where he has to hit the hole hard.
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:goodposting: finally a decent explanation on what happend yesterday
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I said:
Okay I can't take it anymore I wasn't going to chime in but all this drew love is getting out of control. I agree he looked good today but most if not all of his carries came on passing downs out of the shotgun and they were draw plays you people are acting like he lined up in the I fromation and carried the load. I will agree that he looked damn good on those draw plays but you can't judge a NFL RB who get's most of his carries from the shotgun and draw plays. Taylor had a great 1st half but once the colts got the lead and their def got their confiedence and the crowd got behind them they pretty much shut down the jags runing game (Taylor). The colts started to stack the box once they finally realized that conservative ### Del Rio was afraid to pass against them. I will say this I'm impressed with the way Drew hits the whole then make his moves, I think if Taylor would just hit the hole at times he would be better off like on the goal line play if Taylor would have hit the whole he would have scored but instead he did his little jump step and got stuffed behind the line. The bottom lin here is I don't beleive this is a RBBC but Drew is the 3rd down back and will get carries out of passing formations and for the Taylor owners he still got 20 carries and you can't ask for much more than that. That's my rant..........
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Agree and Drew is not much bigger than Dave Meggett and I really cannot see him taking a pounding of any kind...he has to run up the sidelines and get out of bounds at this level or he's gonna get hurt.
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The guy is 5'7" and 213. He is a tree stump with nitro rocket boosters, I think he can take a pounding.
 
The Football Freak said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I said:
Okay I can't take it anymore I wasn't going to chime in but all this drew love is getting out of control. I agree he looked good today but most if not all of his carries came on passing downs out of the shotgun and they were draw plays you people are acting like he lined up in the I fromation and carried the load. I will agree that he looked damn good on those draw plays but you can't judge a NFL RB who get's most of his carries from the shotgun and draw plays. Taylor had a great 1st half but once the colts got the lead and their def got their confiedence and the crowd got behind them they pretty much shut down the jags runing game (Taylor). The colts started to stack the box once they finally realized that conservative ### Del Rio was afraid to pass against them. I will say this I'm impressed with the way Drew hits the whole then make his moves, I think if Taylor would just hit the hole at times he would be better off like on the goal line play if Taylor would have hit the whole he would have scored but instead he did his little jump step and got stuffed behind the line. The bottom lin here is I don't beleive this is a RBBC but Drew is the 3rd down back and will get carries out of passing formations and for the Taylor owners he still got 20 carries and you can't ask for much more than that. That's my rant..........
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Agree and Drew is not much bigger than Dave Meggett and I really cannot see him taking a pounding of any kind...he has to run up the sidelines and get out of bounds at this level or he's gonna get hurt.
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The guy is 5'7" and 213. He is a tree stump with nitro rocket boosters, I think he can take a pounding.
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truly defines the word "cankles".
 
delusional said:
Archie Bunker said:
Bob Sacamano said:
My take, for anyone who cares. It appeared the Jags decided the best way to attack the Indy defense was using lots of draw plays aimed at getting past the line and then heading to the edge. Taylor looked good in his early carries, but Drew's speed and the design of the plays seemed to make Maurice better-suited for that type of running style. Once the Indy defense figured out what was going on, Taylor lacked the speed to counter their adjustments. And then when they got behind, I think it just made more sense to stick with Drew. I don't think you'll see him threaten Taylor as the starter and I haven't seen anything about Taylor being injured. I think it was just one of those games. And BTW, Taylor had a TD handed to him on a silver platter, with a gaping hole to his right just before Scobee missed the short FG. But instead of hitting it hard, he danced behind the line of scrimmage and let Freeney blow up the play. THAT was ugly.
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Much of Drew's success, especially in the first half, was a result of poor defensive execution. Jacksonville, because of penalties, was faced with 2nd and 20+ to go. Out of the shotgun, they allowed Drew to rack up 30+ yards on two plays. The 2nd half was a different story. In the 3rd, Indy focused on stopping the run and shut down both taylor and Drew. In the 4th, Jacksonville went back to the draw plays. Why not? It worked great in the 1st half & Indy still hadn't adjusted to it. As a Taylor (and Drew) owner, I am concerned about Taylor's dancing around. Granted, it earned him some extra yards on several plays, but there are times, like the one you mentioned, where he has to hit the hole hard.
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:goodposting: finally a decent explanation on what happend yesterday
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It would be an outstanding explanation if it were actually true:1st Quarter Maurice Drew runs:3-5-IND46 (10:37) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 37 for 9 yards (N.Harper).1-10-IND37 (9:55) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 11 for 26 yards (M.Doss).2-25-JAC30 (3:32) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 48 for 18 yards (A.Bethea).3-7-JAC48 (2:51) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 40 for 12 yards (A.Bethea).2nd Quarter Maurice Drew runs and reception:2-11-JAC45 (12:50) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 47 for 2 yards (M.Reagor).3-2-JAC36 (10:14) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 41 for 5 yards (A.Bethea, J.David).1-10-IND44 (9:28) M.Jones-Drew left tackle to IND 32 for 12 yards (B.Schobel).1-10-IND33 (8:48) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 29 for 4 yards (M.Jackson, G.Gardner).3-6-IND28 (7:10) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short right to M.Jones-Drew to IND 16 for 12 yards (A.Bethea).3rd Quarter Maurice Drew runs and reception:2-5-JAC40 (4:56) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to JAX 41 for 1 yard (C.June).3-4-JAC41 (4:10) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short right to M.Jones-Drew to JAX 48 for 7 yards (C.June, A.Bethea).2-4-IND46 (2:56) M.Jones-Drew left tackle to IND 40 for 6 yards (C.June).1-10-IND40 (2:22) M.Jones-Drew right end to IND 34 for 6 yards (M.Jackson).2-4-IND34 (1:40) M.Jones-Drew right tackle to IND 31 for 3 yards (M.Doss).4th Quarter Drew action:M.Gramatica kicks 60 yards from IND 30 to JAX 10. M.Jones-Drew to IND 49 for 41 yards (F.Keiaho).2-3-IND42 (7:45) (Shotgun) M.Jones-Drew up the middle to IND 42 for no gain (C.June).1-10-IND34 (6:32) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short middle to M.Jones-Drew to IND 28 for 6 yards (G.Gardner).3-7-IND7 (3:37) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short middle to M.Jones-Drew for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.Drew ran the ball once in a long situation, which was in the first quarter and got the Jags 18 yards. His longest run was 26 yards and came on 1st down and 10 on his second carry of the game.The Colts didn't exactly stop the Jags running game in the second half so much as the Jaguars only ran the ball 9 times total in the second half and only twice in the 4th Qtr. And, I wouldn't say that Drew was "shut down" in the second half as he averaged 4 ypc in the second half, including two runs of 6 yards.
 
Jax used MJD a lot because they were trying to come from behind and had more passing sets. Also, MJD was extra quick on that surface. I don't think he would be nearly as effective on grass.

 
I don't know how anyone could have watched the Jag/Colts game and not come away at least concerned about RBBC in Jax. Drew ran the ball very well and when it counted most Drew was on the field almost every play. I'm not saying it's over for Fred Taylor, far from it. But I can't imagine that Drew hasn't earned a lot more touches with his play. Also, Drew was a draft pick by the current front office, Fred was a holdover. It's just human nature to want "your guys" to succeed. I think Drew gets a lot of touches this week at the expensive of Freddy T's touches.

And I'm an admitted southeast college football snob that can't stand the Pac 10. I also don't like small RBs. I hated the Drew draft pick and have been waiting happily for Drew to fail. It's just that his play continues to prove me worng.

 
Didnt see the game, but have seen this stuff too many times to worry all that much about it. Happens all the time. Right situation, right guy, right day and anything can happen. Next week, the old hoss goes down and the kid runs 18 times for 39 yards. Not saying dont take a flyer on him if you are hoping for the jackpot, but I would say don't throw Fred Taylor on the scrap heap or worry thats where he's headed when a kid no one gameplanned for or thought more than 20 seconds about has a nice day outta nowhere.

 
Dang, and I'm weighing a TJ Housh for Taylor trade this week. I'll try to hold out until I get more "info". Yes that's how bad my rb2 is. Taylor would be a godsend.

 
Drew looked great with some big runs. Just the right time. I wouldn't get to caught up with Freddy not seeing time at the end of the game. Look at D. Williams in CAR after a pretty good week get's 4 carries for minus yards.

 
I think this just means that Jax has a great backfield this year and two backs from this team could put up solid fantasy points. Fred is healthy and still talented enough to put up some good games, so maybe he will just run 20 times a game (as has been pointed out earlier) and have a change of pace, and garbage runner, who is effective. Jones-Drew could be the starter next year or the year after that (barring injury to Fred of course), but this year looks like it will be a great ground offense on a playoff bound team. Fred should have a nice Sunday against the skins this week, and Jones-Drew could too with 10-15 carries.

 
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