Fred Taylor (1 Viewer)

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Kudos on a great season for Freddie.

Many people, myself included, need to eat some major crow on burying him for 2007.

 

[Wadsworth]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

-His 14 rushing touchdowns in 1998 ranks third all-time in NFL history for a rookie running back, and his 17 total touchdowns also qualifies for third-most by a rookie, tying him with Randy Moss. (personal note by wadsworth, as became the pattern of his career it was Fred's bad luck to be an offensive rookie the same season as Randy Moss. Taylor actually had the same number of TDs as Moss and about 300 more yards.)

-In 1999 Taylor set the NFL postseason record for the longest touchdown run (90 yards).

-The following year, despite being hobbled early in the season, Taylor recorded nine consecutive 100-yard games, which is the third-longest streak ever, only behind Barry Sanders' and Marcus Allen's respective streaks of 14 and 11.

-On November 12, 2000 Taylor rushed for 234 yards and four touchdowns against the Pittsburgh Steelers. At the time it was the 12th-most yards in a single game in NFL history, and it remains the most ever at Three Rivers Stadium.

-His 4.6 career yards per carry average ranks 5th all-time, behind only Jim Brown, Sanders, O.J. Simpson, and Tiki Barber(personal note by wadsworth, he's averaging 4.9 per this season and has a shot at catching OJ and Tiki if he can maintain it into next season)

-His 85.5 rushing yards per game average is 6th all-time. Ahead of him are Brown (104.3), Sanders (99.8), Edgerrin James (92.9), Roger Craig (90.8) and Walter Payton (88.0).

Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

On November 11, 2007, against the Tennessee Titans, Taylor became the 21st rusher in NFL history to rush for 10,000 yards in a career. On December 9, 2007, he also passed Eddie George and Tiki Barber for 18th on the list of total rushing yards in a career at 10,457 yards, after a 132-yard performance in a 37-6 win over the Carolina Panthers.

 

[moleculo]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

 

[moleculo]

I don't care how "explosive" a guy is. Tell me, in how many years can you say that Fred Taylor was definitely among the top 3 RBs that season? This isn't the Hall of the Very Good. There hasn't been a single year that you could argue that Fred Taylor was the best RB in the NFL that year.

All of this Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis talk is ridiculous too. Neither one of them belong in the HOF either. If there was a Hall of Very Good For a Long Time they'd both be shoe ins. But neither guy was an elite player.

In 2000 Fred Taylor had over 1,600 combined yards and 14 TDs in 13 games including 9 straight 100+ yard games. In 2003 he had 1,942 combined yards. Maybe he wasn't the best RB those years but he was pretty close. Obviously B. Sanders and E. Smith are HoF'ers. Other than LT2 who are the HoF RBs since Sanders/Smith?

the following have as good (or better ) claim as fred taylor:edgerrin james

jamal lewis

clinton portis

ahman green

shaun alexander

tiki barber

Marshal faulk

corey dillon

deuce mcallister

priest holmes

rudi johnson

larry johnson

I don't understand he question. Because he's not a Hall of Famer his great career is quiet? This list is nonsense. Between his fragile years Fred Taylor was huge. He competed with Marshall Faulk for best in the league (I can't remember where Terrell Davis was timewise.) Tiki & Priest finished with a few great years and Alexander was a great runner who never participated in the passing game and no one else on this list deserves comparison. I want to give Edge more credit, but his Arizona tenure raises questions.

Ok, I'll back off on Rudi - he really shouldn't be in this conservation.however - everyone on that list has done something that Fred has never done> finish in the top 5 in rushing yards. Everyone on that list outside of Mcallister and Jamal has done it multiple times. These guys are all contemporaries of Fred Taylor. I'm not saying these guys are HOF worthy, but they have a better claim to the HOF then Fred.

When did Fred ever compete for best in the league? At his best, he finished 6th in the league.

Regarding yards from scrimmage that Wadsworth mentioned - he had a good season in 2003 when he had 1942 yards. That put him behind LT, Jamal Lewis, Ahman Green, McAllister (yes, Mcallister), and Priest Holmes.

Just because McAllister, Lewis and Ahman each had their single career year the same year as Freddy T doesn't mean they deserve to be mentioned as being his equal...

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).HTH.

The situations for those 3 backs (team, line, carries) in single years of their career caused their best year to be better than anything Taylor has done. Congrats to them, they still aren't better RBs and frankly Ahman is the only one of the 3 that is even close.

THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE!!

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

people have short memories. In fred's first couple years, he looked like he could be one of the most dominant HB's to ever play. He might have been the fastest runner in the league, and was also a 230 pound bull. He got hurt alot early in his career and it definatly diminished his talent, in addition to never putting together the one killer year people remember when he was still at his peak. Throw in some terrible coaching decisions (james stewart?) and you have what you see now - People calling fred a good consistent, but never great, back. It was actually the opposite. He was dynamite, but totally inconsistent on when he'd be on the field(from injuries or getting pulled at the goal line for no good reason). He never made a pro bowl not cause he never had the talent of one of the elite backs in the game, but because of injury shortened seasons or goalline vultures. Yea, those things count when all is said and done, but it doesnt say anything about his talent

Not saying he should/shouldnt get into the hall, but people have forgotten how fred taylor in his youth ran the ball.

This is the story, if you don't know it, you should take to heart. (I had forgotten who the goalline vulture was, thanks.)Fred Taylor is -- rightfully so -- not amongst the elite due to his early fragility. You short timers know him for the later years as a steady professional. He was a huge risk/reward fantasy pick back in the day. I had him on one of those two years and went deep into the playoffs until I got (Marshall) Faulked by a 3-4 TD day. I don't argue that he is HOF -- I argue against the description of "quietest 10k". And the majority of the RB's to which he is being compared in this thread were, in fact, the flash-in-the-pan also-rans who are not of Taylor's calibre and even less deserving of HOF consideration.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).HTH.

No

 

[Wadsworth]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

1. I'm not sure how that stat can be misleading. 47 people have rushed for 7,000 yards and all but Fred have made a Pro Bowl when Fred has in fact rushed for well over 10,000. As far as the lack of a top 5 finishes, he's ony had over 300 carries in a season once in his career(think about that). That season he ended up with just shy of 1,600 yards and finished 6th I beleive. He's only been under 4.6 a carry twice in 10 seasons and one of those seasons he only played 2 games. How many guys with say 200 carries are going to finish with better than 4.5 per carry this season? 3 or 4? Fred has done that 8 out the last 10 seasons and both season he missed it he didn't have 200 carries. In the past QBs have gone to the pro bowl that were extremely efficient in limit chances over guys that have bigger numbers because they were in pass happy offenses. Why not RBs? Willie Parker has about 250 more yards than Taylor on over 100 more rushes this season, who's having the better year? 2. Or you could say that the fact that Jimmy Smith only made 4 Pro Bowls supports the point. I don't think anyone is saying that it's impossible to make a Pro Bowl from a small market team, just that it's more difficult. And it's not just small market. The Jags are a new team with little tradition or national following, they have had very little star power for years now, play very few prime time games(1 this season) and let's face it, they've been pretty boring to watch for the casual fan even when winning. It's the prime time games that more fans see as well as other players and coaches. Over the last 3 season the Jags have gone 29-16, that's near the top for franchises over that period. And unless there's a shock on tuesday, they'll have had 2 Pro Bowlers in that time period. How can a team that's averaging over 10 wins a season for 3 years have only 2 pro bowlers in that time period? Jack Del Rio must be the best coach ever.

 

[moleculo]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

1. I'm not sure how that stat can be misleading. 47 people have rushed for 7,000 yards and all but Fred have made a Pro Bowl when Fred has in fact rushed for well over 10,000. As far as the lack of a top 5 finishes, he's ony had over 300 carries in a season once in his career(think about that). That season he ended up with just shy of 1,600 yards and finished 6th I beleive. He's only been under 4.6 a carry twice in 10 seasons and one of those seasons he only played 2 games. How many guys with say 200 carries are going to finish with better than 4.5 per carry this season? 3 or 4? Fred has done that 8 out the last 10 seasons and both season he missed it he didn't have 200 carries. In the past QBs have gone to the pro bowl that were extremely efficient in limit chances over guys that have bigger numbers because they were in pass happy offenses. Why not RBs? Willie Parker has about 250 more yards than Taylor on over 100 more rushes this season, who's having the better year?

You say he only had 300 carries once in his career. I say he was only healthy enough (or good enough to be the sole RB) one time in his career. Durability is a characteristic I look for in a RB. So is short yardage production. I don't know the breakdown, but I wonder if Fred's YPC is inflated because he's had the likes of James Stewart, Stacey Mack, LaBrandon Toefield, and Greg Jones doing the hard work on short yardage situations? It makes it easy to have a high YPC if you get lots of draws and carries on first and 10.

Regardless, having only one season with >300 carries is not a testament to Fred's greatness.

2. Or you could say that the fact that Jimmy Smith only made 4 Pro Bowls supports the point. I don't think anyone is saying that it's impossible to make a Pro Bowl from a small market team, just that it's more difficult. And it's not just small market. The Jags are a new team with little tradition or national following, they have had very little star power for years now, play very few prime time games(1 this season) and let's face it, they've been pretty boring to watch for the casual fan even when winning. It's the prime time games that more fans see as well as other players and coaches. Over the last 3 season the Jags have gone 29-16, that's near the top for franchises over that period. And unless there's a shock on tuesday, they'll have had 2 Pro Bowlers in that time period. How can a team that's averaging over 10 wins a season for 3 years have only 2 pro bowlers in that time period? Jack Del Rio must be the best coach ever.

Or, that jimmy smith was actually great, as opposed to pretty good.

 

[Wadsworth]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

1. I'm not sure how that stat can be misleading. 47 people have rushed for 7,000 yards and all but Fred have made a Pro Bowl when Fred has in fact rushed for well over 10,000. As far as the lack of a top 5 finishes, he's ony had over 300 carries in a season once in his career(think about that). That season he ended up with just shy of 1,600 yards and finished 6th I beleive. He's only been under 4.6 a carry twice in 10 seasons and one of those seasons he only played 2 games. How many guys with say 200 carries are going to finish with better than 4.5 per carry this season? 3 or 4? Fred has done that 8 out the last 10 seasons and both season he missed it he didn't have 200 carries. In the past QBs have gone to the pro bowl that were extremely efficient in limit chances over guys that have bigger numbers because they were in pass happy offenses. Why not RBs? Willie Parker has about 250 more yards than Taylor on over 100 more rushes this season, who's having the better year?

You say he only had 300 carries once in his career. I say he was only healthy enough (or good enough to be the sole RB) one time in his career. Durability is a characteristic I look for in a RB. So is short yardage production. I don't know the breakdown, but I wonder if Fred's YPC is inflated because he's had the likes of James Stewart, Stacey Mack, LaBrandon Toefield, and Greg Jones doing the hard work on short yardage situations? It makes it easy to have a high YPC if you get lots of draws and carries on first and 10.

Regardless, having only one season with >300 carries is not a testament to Fred's greatness.

Fred averaged the same 4.6 per carry in the season he got 345 rushes. In 2000 Fred had his second highest number of carries at 292 and averged 4.8 per carry. Jones-Drew taking most of the short yardage work and some carries has allowed Taylor's yards per carry to increase to 5.0 and 4.9 the last two seasons. You might be able to make an argument that sharing carries and limited short yardage work allowed Fred to average better than 4.6 per carry in select seasons, but Fred has been amazingly steady in his per carry average through many different back ups, offensive coordinators and 2 head coaches. As much as I'd like to debate this, if you honestly feel that:

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I really don't think there's much point in debating. Our opinions are far too far apart for either of us to change much.

 

[dgreen]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I decided to compare these four. I know you said "at their best" but I just looked at their entire careers so far.

Green  Taylor  Deuce  LewisPro Bowls		 4	  0	   2	  1Top 5 rush		2	  0	   1	  1Top 10 rush	   2	  6	   2	  3Top 5 scrim	   2	  0	   1	  1Top 10 scrim	  3	  3	   2	  2Durability*	 84%	80%	 77%	82%Rush yds/carry 4.51   4.64	4.30   4.28Tot yds/touch  5.03   5.04	4.73   4.62touch/td	   32.9   37.7	32.0   38.3touch/fumble   65.9  100.9	80.9   60.1Value/year**   54.7   42.2	41.6   44.5*  Durability is number of games they have played divided by the number of games they could have played to date.** Average Value per year using FBG scoring.

 

[Wadsworth]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I decided to compare these four. I know you said "at their best" but I just looked at their entire careers so far.

Green  Taylor  Deuce  LewisPro Bowls		 4	  0	   2	  1Top 5 rush		2	  0	   1	  1Top 10 rush	   2	  6	   2	  3Top 5 scrim	   2	  0	   1	  1Top 10 scrim	  3	  3	   2	  2Durability*	 84%	80%	 77%	82%Rush yds/carry 4.51   4.64	4.30   4.28Tot yds/touch  5.03   5.04	4.73   4.62touch/td	   32.9   37.7	32.0   38.3touch/fumble   65.9  100.9	80.9   60.1Value/year**   54.7   42.2	41.6   44.5*  Durability is number of games they have played divided by the number of games they could have played to date.** Average Value per year using FBG scoring.

Interesting data. I'm drawn to the fact that it seems Green made 2 Pro Bowls when he wasn't in the top 10 rushers and 1 when wasn't in the top 10 from scimage.

 

[jonboltz]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

There are tons of reasons why people don't make the Pro-Bowl, and they certainly don't always pick the *best* players. For instance, Tomlinson was left off the 2003 Pro Bowl roster despite this stat line:2003 sdg | 16 | 313 1645 5.3 13 | 100 725 7.2 4

Mistakes happen. Taylor SHOULD have been to the Pro-bowl in 2002 ahead of Ahman, and in 2003 ahead of Stephen Davis...Taylor just plain had better years and wasn't selected. Another intersting pro-bowl line -- Jax hasn't had a single O-lineman make the pro-bowl during Taylor's career. Plenty of O-lineman from GB, SEA, NO though...

 

[moleculo]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I decided to compare these four. I know you said "at their best" but I just looked at their entire careers so far.

year att yards y/a TD rec yards y/r TD FF value FF pos rankgreen 2003 355 1883 5.3 15 50 367 7.3 5 203 2Lewis 2003 387 2066 5.3 14 26 205 7.9 0 169 4McAlliste2003 351 1641 4.7 8 69 516 7.5 0 122 7Taylor 2003 345 1572 4.6 6 48 370 7.7 1 94 8In terms of rushing statistics, Fred's numbers pale to Green, Lewis, and McAllister. Wadsworth won't give up on the 4.6 ypa, but fail to recognize Green and Lewis and McAllister all had higher YPA.I don't understand how anyone can look at this data and come to any conclusion other than Ahman Green, Deuce McAllister and Jamal Lewis all had better seasons then Fred Taylor did in 2003.

 

[moleculo]

A counter to the argument that Fred has been good but not great.

From wikipedia: LINK

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Yet despite his accomplishments on the field, his candidacy for the NFL Hall of Fame following his career will likely be marred by his "Fragile" reputation and his having never been selected to the Pro Bowl, which is likely due to playing his entire career for one of the league's smallest market teams. Of the 47 players to rush for 7,000 yards, he is the only one to never make a pro bowl.

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this is a little misleading. Wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that he was never voted to a pro-bowl because he never finished in the top 5 in the league, in terms of rushing yards? Jimmy Smith was voted to a pro-bowl 4x during a span that overlapped Fred Taylors career, so the arguement that J'Ville players can't go to a pro-bowl because of "small market" is void.

There are tons of reasons why people don't make the Pro-Bowl, and they certainly don't always pick the *best* players. For instance, Tomlinson was left off the 2003 Pro Bowl roster despite this stat line:2003 sdg | 16 | 313 1645 5.3 13 | 100 725 7.2 4

Mistakes happen. Taylor SHOULD have been to the Pro-bowl in 2002 ahead of Ahman, and in 2003 ahead of Stephen Davis...Taylor just plain had better years and wasn't selected. Another intersting pro-bowl line -- Jax hasn't had a single O-lineman make the pro-bowl during Taylor's career. Plenty of O-lineman from GB, SEA, NO though...

Um, Ahman and Stephen Davis were both in the NFC. They were lucky to benefit from playing in the JV conference, Fred was not so fortunate.also - Tony Boselli was a pro-bowler between 1996 and 2000.

I'll agree on LT though - there's another RB who had a better season in 2003 than Fred Taylor.

 

[DoubleG]

Not to hijack - and sorry if someone already posted this, but Freddy isn't the quietest 10K RB - Warrick Dunn. The dude was never even a true featured back - split time with Allstot in Tampa, with TJ in Atlanta and now Norwood - and just broke 10K.

Oh and no, Dunn is no HOFer either.

 

[Wadsworth]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I decided to compare these four. I know you said "at their best" but I just looked at their entire careers so far.

year att yards y/a TD rec yards y/r TD FF value FF pos rankgreen 2003 355 1883 5.3 15 50 367 7.3 5 203 2Lewis 2003 387 2066 5.3 14 26 205 7.9 0 169 4McAlliste2003 351 1641 4.7 8 69 516 7.5 0 122 7Taylor 2003 345 1572 4.6 6 48 370 7.7 1 94 8In terms of rushing statistics, Fred's numbers pale to Green, Lewis, and McAllister. Wadsworth won't give up on the 4.6 ypa, but fail to recognize Green and Lewis and McAllister all had higher YPA.I don't understand how anyone can look at this data and come to any conclusion other than Ahman Green, Deuce McAllister and Jamal Lewis all had better seasons then Fred Taylor did in 2003.

By this standard you could argue that Jamal Lewis "at his best" is as good as Barry Sanders at his best. For that matter that Jamal Lewis is as good or better than most every RB ever at his best. If you care to make that argument, have at it. But otherwise your standard seems flawed.

 

[moleculo]

McAllister, Lewis and Ahman (at their best)> Fred Taylor (at his best).

I decided to compare these four. I know you said "at their best" but I just looked at their entire careers so far.

year att yards y/a TD rec yards y/r TD FF value FF pos rankgreen 2003 355 1883 5.3 15 50 367 7.3 5 203 2Lewis 2003 387 2066 5.3 14 26 205 7.9 0 169 4McAlliste2003 351 1641 4.7 8 69 516 7.5 0 122 7Taylor 2003 345 1572 4.6 6 48 370 7.7 1 94 8In terms of rushing statistics, Fred's numbers pale to Green, Lewis, and McAllister. Wadsworth won't give up on the 4.6 ypa, but fail to recognize Green and Lewis and McAllister all had higher YPA.I don't understand how anyone can look at this data and come to any conclusion other than Ahman Green, Deuce McAllister and Jamal Lewis all had better seasons then Fred Taylor did in 2003.

By this standard you could argue that Jamal Lewis "at his best" is as good as Barry Sanders at his best. For that matter that Jamal Lewis is as good or better than most every RB ever at his best. If you care to make that argument, have at it. But otherwise your standard seems flawed.

Jamal Lewis's best season > Barry Sanders best season.



THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE!!

 

[dgreen]

Jamal Lewis's best season > Barry Sanders best season.



THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE!!

Oh, so this is schtick?

 

[moleculo]

Jamal Lewis's best season > Barry Sanders best season.



THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE!!

Oh, so this is schtick?

I don't think even I can tell anymore.

 

[Wadsworth]

This week's 147 versus Pitt, raised his season ypc to 5.1 and his career ypc to 4.7.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

This week's 147 versus Pitt, raised his season ypc to 5.1 and his career ypc to 4.7.

He was phenomenal today.

 

[HoTnickZ]

This week's 147 versus Pitt, raised his season ypc to 5.1 and his career ypc to 4.7.

He was phenomenal today.

So do you think he is taking st.. ahh forget it.

 

[montanagold]

Freddy is a Steeler Kiiiiilller! Always has been.. always will be.. I never bench him against the Steelers unless I've got players like LT, etc...

 

[DoubleG]

This week's 147 versus Pitt, raised his season ypc to 5.1 and his career ypc to 4.7.

Jamal had > 147 today.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think Taylor proved this year how underrated he really is. Fantastic RB, although a frustrating player in FFL circles because of injuries. If he had played in a bigger market he would get the credit he is due.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I think Taylor proved this year how underrated he really is. Fantastic RB, although a frustrating player in FFL circles because of injuries. If he had played in a bigger market he would get the credit he is due.

Good post DD.