Fro's O's - Part 1 (1 Viewer)

[Fullback Fro]

There is some money to be made every year in fantasy football. I'm not talking about U.S. legal tender but value. I'm talking about where to find value. This value can change day to day as news and information exposes itself as the season nears. A player today can can see a dramatic change in perceived value between now and August. But what is "value" exactly. The word "value" is thrown around fantasy football like a Frisbee in a college quad. Value is defined on http://wordsmythe.com as:

Value

Syllables: val-ue

Parts of speech: noun , transitive verb

Part of Speech noun

Pronunciation vael yu

Definition 1. an amount, esp. of money, considered to be equivalent to, or suitable exchange for, a thing or service.

But in fantasy football we don't use money to buy and sell players. So what is our currency? The only thing that we really have with regards to ownership is draft picks or players already drafted. The goal of fantasy football is to collect the most amounts of valued or positive stats using the least amount of players. So the definition for fantasy purposes should read:

Perceived % of stat collecting probability of a player, considered to be equivalent to, or suitable exchange for, draft pick

Basically we trade our draft picks for players who we think can give us the maximum probability to collect valued statistics. So when I say "There is some money to be made every year in fantasy football.” what I mean is "There are guys that you can find later in drafts who will accumulate statistics equivalents to the perceived value of guys that go early in drafts."

Most of you guys already know this but I thought I would throw it out there to preface my observations. So where is this value? I have made some observations that I want to run through with regards to where I see value today. This could all shift come August as more info comes to light and more coverage exposes some of observations more directly.

Seattle's Passing Game.

Someone needs to catch passes in Seattle. My money is on Nate Burrelson. Deion Branch start the season on the PUP list. Engram is a prototypical slot receiver. Someone has to play the Z Receiver in the Seattle Offense. This will be his third year in this system and Burrelson took the jump in ’07 to legitimate fantasy WR. He’s currently being drafted around WR45. He finished last year as WR30 and is in a better position this year.

Baltimore’s Running Game

Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Baltimore will lean on Willis this year. He should be a multidimensional threat. Cam Cameron’s play calling set up LT in SD for so many years. He had Ronnie Brown in a very similar situation ranked as the #1 fantasy back last year before his injury. With inconsistent QB play and a solid offensive line returning, Willis could move into elite back status. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him being drafted with a top 3 pick in ’09. If you have a later pick don’t hesitate to pair him up with Reggie Wayne and you will be off to a terrific start. One think I think its very important with regards to drafting Willis is you will need to handcuff him with rookie Ray Rice this year. You will be able to get him in a middle teen round to protect your investment.

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid. Reports already have him speculated as the starter. With the success Witten had in the Dallas offense, Fasano, having a similar skill set, could see similar results. He is being drafted around TE 25. I would not be surprised with top 10 numbers. Top 15 seems more reasonable.

Atlanta’s Passing Game

Roddy White enjoyed his breakout year last year in Mike Zimmer’s aggressive passing style offense. Although the air attack wasn’t one for the ages, Roddy was able to put up decent fantasy numbers. STAY AWAY FROM WHITE THIS YEAR. Atlanta installs a defensive minded head coach and signed ball control running back Michael Turner to move the chains. With a rookie QB likely starting this year, all signs point to a down year for the ATL passing game as a whole. Roddy White is being drafted in the mid 20’s as far as WR’s drafted. Take your chance on someone else in that tier, like Chris Chambers.

Cleveland’s Passing Game

We all know Braylon Edwards is a stud. Donte Stallworth is the guy I got my eye on. Joe Jurevicius has had two knee surgeries this off-season. Who knows if he’ll be back this season and if he does come back he will likely fill in as the 3rd WR or slot role. Stallworth has the speed and talent to excel in single coverage on the other side of Braylon. With a strong-armed QB, Donte should see a dramatic increase in targets this year.

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

 

[Gatorman]

Seattle's Passing Game.

Someone needs to catch passes in Seattle. My money is on Nate Burrelson. Deion Branch start the season on the PUP list. Engram is a prototypical slot receiver. Someone has to play the Z Receiver in the Seattle Offense. This will be his third year in this system and Burrelson took the jump in ’07 to legitimate fantasy WR. He’s currently being drafted around WR45. He finished last year as WR30 and is in a better position this year.

I disagree here. While I see Burrelson as being a possibility, Engram should still be available after round 10 and outdo his draft spot. He is money with Hass in a way that no other Seahawk receiver has been. Also, Engram in PPR gets 5-7 catches. I am not sure nate will see that many targets / game.Baltimore’s Running Game

Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Baltimore will lean on Willis this year. He should be a multidimensional threat. Cam Cameron’s play calling set up LT in SD for so many years. He had Ronnie Brown in a very similar situation ranked as the #1 fantasy back last year before his injury. With inconsistent QB play and a solid offensive line returning, Willis could move into elite back status. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him being drafted with a top 3 pick in ’09. If you have a later pick don’t hesitate to pair him up with Reggie Wayne and you will be off to a terrific start. One think I think its very important with regards to drafting Willis is you will need to handcuff him with rookie Ray Rice this year. You will be able to get him in a middle teen round to protect your investment.

I agree here, but Cam's flirtation with Chatman to start he season in miami + McGahee not being known as a receiving RB (this may be a previous system deficiency) may mean a "third down back" may steal some carries and catches. When Ronnie was on his tear he did not come out on third downs...

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid. Reports already have him speculated as the starter. With the success Witten had in the Dallas offense, Fasano, having a similar skill set, could see similar results. He is being drafted around TE 25. I would not be surprised with top 10 numbers. Top 15 seems more reasonable.

Not sure what to expect here. I think the dolphin passing game will be better than it has been in a few years, but that has more to do with the o line than than anything else. Fasano may be a nice backup TE, but he will not be Witten. I could see Wilford being the Keyshawn of this team if he can stay focused. He is a big strong WR. Ginn is a mystery. I think whoever plays the slot for Miami will be their best WR.

Atlanta’s Passing Game

Roddy White enjoyed his breakout year last year in Mike Zimmer’s aggressive passing style offense. Although the air attack wasn’t one for the ages, Roddy was able to put up decent fantasy numbers. STAY AWAY FROM WHITE THIS YEAR. Atlanta installs a defensive minded head coach and signed ball control running back Michael Turner to move the chains. With a rookie QB likely starting this year, all signs point to a down year for the ATL passing game as a whole. Roddy White is being drafted in the mid 20’s as far as WR’s drafted. Take your chance on someone else in that tier, like Chris Chambers.

No real opinion here. I am down on the Falcon's THis year and see Tomlinson's backup who moved over there (don't you hate brain farts) having a subpar season this year, but a breakout season in 09.

Cleveland’s Passing Game

We all know Braylon Edwards is a stud. Donte Stallworth is the guy I got my eye on. Joe Jurevicius has had two knee surgeries this off-season. Who knows if he’ll be back this season and if he does come back he will likely fill in as the 3rd WR or slot role. Stallworth has the speed and talent to excel in single coverage on the other side of Braylon. With a strong-armed QB, Donte should see a dramatic increase in targets this year.

Not sure here. I like Stallworth, but the browns now have Braylon, Winslow, another good TE, and him to share balls. One of these playrs will have to be the odd man out, so stallworth may be the best val-u...

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

of all the rookies, this is the one I have my eye on the most. Everyone else seems to be set in the "ween him into" playing time setups, so if they are to have any value, it will be mid to late season (where other "surprise" players will be more valuable), but this kid may be one worth having on your redraft roster from week 1.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Fro's O's: Tastes like chicken!

 

[Fullback Fro]

Thanks for the comments Gator. Did you know that McGahee was targeted 49 times last year and caught 43 balls. It sound to me like he has the skills to stay in on 3rd down.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

for gatorman- Willis had 43 catches last year - an career high and he will have more than that this year.

Excellent job Fro.

I too loved Fasano until I saw he has had reconstructive shoulder surgery. But still you can get him on the cheap

It's alittle spooky cause im heavily adjusting my ranking now and I have Burleson and Stallworth climbing the rankings

 

[AB in DC]

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid.

No, Parcells traded a mid-round pick for a linebacker. Fasano was just a throw-in on the deal because Wade Philips didn't want him any more.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid.

No, Parcells traded a mid-round pick for a linebacker. Fasano was just a throw-in on the deal because Wade Philips didn't want him any more.

Not True. Parcells really wanted Bob Carpenter, couldnt work a deal for himhttp://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/620519.html

 

[Fullback Fro]

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid.

No, Parcells traded a mid-round pick for a linebacker. Fasano was just a throw-in on the deal because Wade Philips didn't want him any more.

Hey Arbrecher, I understand that there were two players being traded for the pick but do you have a link to which indicates Fasano was a throw in? I was under the impression that he was a key piece to that deal. I would like to get to the bottom of this.

 

[Kruppe]

I wish I had a link for you but I remember reading somwhere that the deal was actually mainly for Fasano and the last minute Ayodele was thrown in at since the 'boys were going to release him anyway.

 

[AB in DC]

I had read it was the other way around. Sorry, I don't have a link either.

 

[FavreCo]

Man, you really lost me on Anthony Fasano. I mean unless you are in a 50 team dynasty league.Even then, that guy wouldn't even make my list.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There is some money to be made every year in fantasy football. I'm not talking about U.S. legal tender but value. I'm talking about where to find value. This value can change day to day as news and information exposes itself as the season nears. A player today can can see a dramatic change in perceived value between now and August. But what is "value" exactly. The word "value" is thrown around fantasy football like a Frisbee in a college quad. Value is defined on http://wordsmythe.com as:

Value

Syllables: val-ue

Parts of speech: noun , transitive verb

Part of Speech noun

Pronunciation vael yu

Definition 1. an amount, esp. of money, considered to be equivalent to, or suitable exchange for, a thing or service.

But in fantasy football we don't use money to buy and sell players. So what is our currency? The only thing that we really have with regards to ownership is draft picks or players already drafted. The goal of fantasy football is to collect the most amounts of valued or positive stats using the least amount of players. So the definition for fantasy purposes should read:

Perceived % of stat collecting probability of a player, considered to be equivalent to, or suitable exchange for, draft pick

Basically we trade our draft picks for players who we think can give us the maximum probability to collect valued statistics. So when I say "There is some money to be made every year in fantasy football.” what I mean is "There are guys that you can find later in drafts who will accumulate statistics equivalents to the perceived value of guys that go early in drafts."

Most of you guys already know this but I thought I would throw it out there to preface my observations. So where is this value? I have made some observations that I want to run through with regards to where I see value today. This could all shift come August as more info comes to light and more coverage exposes some of observations more directly.

Seattle's Passing Game.

Someone needs to catch passes in Seattle. My money is on Nate Burrelson. Deion Branch start the season on the PUP list. Engram is a prototypical slot receiver. Someone has to play the Z Receiver in the Seattle Offense. This will be his third year in this system and Burrelson took the jump in ’07 to legitimate fantasy WR. He’s currently being drafted around WR45. He finished last year as WR30 and is in a better position this year.

Baltimore’s Running Game

Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Cam Cameron. Baltimore will lean on Willis this year. He should be a multidimensional threat. Cam Cameron’s play calling set up LT in SD for so many years. He had Ronnie Brown in a very similar situation ranked as the #1 fantasy back last year before his injury. With inconsistent QB play and a solid offensive line returning, Willis could move into elite back status. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him being drafted with a top 3 pick in ’09. If you have a later pick don’t hesitate to pair him up with Reggie Wayne and you will be off to a terrific start. One think I think its very important with regards to drafting Willis is you will need to handcuff him with rookie Ray Rice this year. You will be able to get him in a middle teen round to protect your investment.

Miami’s Passing Game

Wilford and Ted Ginn could over good value this year, but my real target will be Anthony Fasano. Fasono was drafted by Parcells and was a backup to Witten in Dallas. Now Parcells trades a mid round pick for him. It sounds like Parcells really likes this kid. Reports already have him speculated as the starter. With the success Witten had in the Dallas offense, Fasano, having a similar skill set, could see similar results. He is being drafted around TE 25. I would not be surprised with top 10 numbers. Top 15 seems more reasonable.

Atlanta’s Passing Game

Roddy White enjoyed his breakout year last year in Mike Zimmer’s aggressive passing style offense. Although the air attack wasn’t one for the ages, Roddy was able to put up decent fantasy numbers. STAY AWAY FROM WHITE THIS YEAR. Atlanta installs a defensive minded head coach and signed ball control running back Michael Turner to move the chains. With a rookie QB likely starting this year, all signs point to a down year for the ATL passing game as a whole. Roddy White is being drafted in the mid 20’s as far as WR’s drafted. Take your chance on someone else in that tier, like Chris Chambers.

Cleveland’s Passing Game

We all know Braylon Edwards is a stud. Donte Stallworth is the guy I got my eye on. Joe Jurevicius has had two knee surgeries this off-season. Who knows if he’ll be back this season and if he does come back he will likely fill in as the 3rd WR or slot role. Stallworth has the speed and talent to excel in single coverage on the other side of Braylon. With a strong-armed QB, Donte should see a dramatic increase in targets this year.

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Awesome Fro...I would like to respond to some of this.Seattle: I like Obomanu as a nice dark horse there. he looked promising last season and I think in year 2 he could see some real playing time.

Baltimore: I like your logic with McGahee, but lack of QB play could hurt a lot.

Miami: Fassano is interesting but top10 is a big reach for a guy with no QB right now.

Atlanta: On point 100% with this. Roddy White is a total tool pick this year in redrafts.

Cleveland: I wouldn't get too excited about Stallworth. With Moss and Welker taking coverage away from him he put up simply modest numbers in NE so I am not overly high on him. he always looks good on the outside and then you open the wrapper and you end up with a Roy Williams situation...for thos eplaying at home, Roy has cracked the top29 for WR only once. Stallworth couldn't fend off Jabar Gaffney last year.

Tennessee: Agree with Chris Johnson analysis, I like him a lot too in PPR.

Great thread, good topics/situations, look forward to more threads from you over the summer.

 

[FavreCo]

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Easy on the house bet Fro. There once was a guy named Reggie. Bush that is. 'with blazing fast speed'. He was nothing to write home about. Many a house was lost betting on Bush. Johnson is on a far inferior team with a far inferior QB.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Easy on the house bet Fro. There once was a guy named Reggie. Bush that is. 'with blazing fast speed'. He was nothing to write home about. Many a house was lost betting on Bush. Johnson is on a far inferior team with a far inferior QB.

You don't think he get into the end zone this year?

 

[Reaper]

Rotoworld Has some Fasano Links

Anthony Fasano is considered the frontrunner to start at tight end for the Dolphins this season.

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel suggests Akin Ayodele was only a "throw-in" part of the trade that sent Fasano to Miami. Fasano's pass-catching skills weren't used behind Jason Witten, but he caught 92 balls at Notre Dame and is faster than John Carlson. Fasano should be able to shake off the rust.

Source: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Related: Justin Peelle, David Martin

The Florida Sun-Sentinal hints that Ayodle was the throw-in...

Sun-Sentinal

5. Linebacker Akin Ayodele - Outside of Ferguson, Ayodele will be the most knowledgeable defender when it comes to understanding the defense the new coaching staff will be implementing. While Ayodele might have been a throw-in in the trade that brought tight end Anthony Fasano, this 28-year-old has still got plenty of good football left in him. He'll have to beat out Channing Crowder and Reggie Torbor to earn one of the two starting inside linebacker spots.

9. Tight end Anthony Fasano - The quarterback spot isn't the only starting job that's wide open on offense. The battle to become the starting tight end will also be a headed one, and it's hard not to make Fasano the front-runner considering the second round pick (in Dallas) and the fourth round pick (in Miami) the Trifecta's invested into this 24-year-old. Fasano has started 11 games in his two seasons as a Cowboy, which gives him an experience edge over every tight end on the roster except David Martin, who contributed a career-high 34 receptions last season but was a suspect blocker. Fasano likely wins the spot if he can catch AND block effectively.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Thanks reaper. As I stated before, I think Fasano will suprise a lot of people this year. I would be targeting him in all dynasty formats and think he is a TE2 you could rely on.

 

[Andy Herron]

I wish I had a link for you but I remember reading somwhere that the deal was actually mainly for Fasano and the last minute Ayodele was thrown in at since the 'boys were going to release him anyway.

This is correct right here.And Fro, it's not often I praise postings in here, but yours is a good one.

I particularly agree strongly with the takes on Fasano and Stallworth. As recently as this week I've made several mentions of Fasano being a strong sleeper this year. Young QBs like to lean on TEs, and the Dolphins have no real #1 WR. I've mentioned Stallworth in here somewhere this week as well in a similar capacity.

 

[AB in DC]

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel suggests Akin Ayodele was only a "throw-in" part of the trade that sent Fasano to Miami. The Florida Sun-Sentinal hints that Ayodle was the throw-in...

Then why did they list Ayodele four spots ahead of Fasano on their Top Ten Additions list?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Man, you really lost me on Anthony Fasano. I mean unless you are in a 50 team dynasty league.Even then, that guy wouldn't even make my list.

u couldnt be more wrong

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Easy on the house bet Fro. There once was a guy named Reggie. Bush that is. 'with blazing fast speed'. He was nothing to write home about. Many a house was lost betting on Bush. Johnson is on a far inferior team with a far inferior QB.

Bush is just fine in a PPR league, which is what Fro is refering to with Cj here. Last time I checked the Titans made the playoffs in the better conference, so I really dont get the inferior team thing either.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I wish I had a link for you but I remember reading somwhere that the deal was actually mainly for Fasano and the last minute Ayodele was thrown in at since the 'boys were going to release him anyway.

This is correct right here.And Fro, it's not often I praise postings in here, but yours is a good one.

I particularly agree strongly with the takes on Fasano and Stallworth. As recently as this week I've made several mentions of Fasano being a strong sleeper this year. Young QBs like to lean on TEs, and the Dolphins have no real #1 WR. I've mentioned Stallworth in here somewhere this week as well in a similar capacity.

Thanks Andy,Its nice to here feedback like this. Particularly from someone who knows their shiz. Appreciate the feedback.

 

[FUBAR]

Tennessee’s Running/Passing Game

In PPR leagues, I will be targeting Chris Johnson in every league. I believe this kid has a chance to be something special. With blazing fast speed he will be utilized on quick screen, draws, dump offs, slants. Jeff Fisher will do anything they can to get it into their 1st round pick’s hands. And he will take it some of these to the house. I’d bet my house on it. Drafting this guy is what makes fantasy football fun.

Most of you all probably already know this stuff. I just thought I share some of my current observatioins. That’s it for this installment of Fro’s O’s.

Easy on the house bet Fro. There once was a guy named Reggie. Bush that is. 'with blazing fast speed'. He was nothing to write home about. Many a house was lost betting on Bush. Johnson is on a far inferior team with a far inferior QB.

Bush is just fine in a PPR league, which is what Fro is refering to with Cj here. Last time I checked the Titans made the playoffs in the better conference, so I really dont get the inferior team thing either.

He must mean worse offense, or he's just underestimating the Titans, which happens.The inferior QB isn't bad for Johnson. He'll be the most dynamic receiver and big-play threat on the field.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Thanks reaper. As I stated before, I think Fasano will suprise a lot of people this year. I would be targeting him in all dynasty formats and think he is a TE2 you could rely on.

I like Fasano. Before Dallas released him, in our 20 round Survivor leagues, I thought about drafting Fasano even when he was on Dallas just because I thought this guy had some potential.I was bummed when he left Dallas and I'm still not sure it was a good move to get rid of him, considering they spent a pretty high draft pick to get another young TE in this year's draft. Supposedly this new guy is more athletic like an Antonio Gates but we'll see.The only thing that scares me is that other people are also high on Fasano. He's by far no sure thing to break out but has a shot.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

So minus all the gibberish what you're saying is:

-Draft Nate Burleson

-Draft Willis McGahee

-Draft Anthony Fasano

-Don't draft Roddy White

-Draft Donte Stallworth

-Draft Chris Johnson

Okay advice I guess. There's no way in hell I'd draft Chris Chambers over Roddy White though.

 

[FUBAR]

There's no way in hell I'd draft Chris Chambers over Roddy White though.

In a dynasty, I agree completely. In a redraft, they're very close. If Redman starts, I like White. I just refuse to have a relatively unproven WR with a rookie QB as my #1 or 2. (If White's my #3, I'm ok with it). Add to that, the team will be running a lot more, they were #29 in attempts last year, and White's receptions are going to fall. I don't see him approaching 83 receptions this year, he'll be lucky to have more than 60 with Ryan under center. He might increase his TDs from 6, so that could help, but he'll be inconsistent - although not a bad play in survivor leagues at the right price.ETA: I realize the same logic applied to Edwards last year, but in all honesty, nobody should have counted on Braylon dominating like that.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

There's no way in hell I'd draft Chris Chambers over Roddy White though.

In a redraft, they're very close. If Redman starts, I like White. I just refuse to have a relatively unproven WR with a rookie QB as my #1 or 2. (If White's my #3, I'm ok with it). Add to that, the team will be running a lot more, they were #29 in attempts last year, and White's receptions are going to fall. I don't see him approaching 83 receptions this year, he'll be lucky to have more than 60 with Ryan under center. He might increase his TDs from 6, so that could help, but he'll be inconsistent - although not a bad play in survivor leagues at the right price.ETA: I realize the same logic applied to Edwards last year, but in all honesty, nobody should have counted on Braylon dominating like that.

While it would seem that the Falcons are heading toward a run-oriented offense they're still going to pass the ball some and I think the main beneficiary will be Roddy White because he's clearly their best receiving option right now. With Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler gone from the team (along with their 79 receptions) I think that White will become even more of a focal point in the passing game. Michael Turner isn't a good receiver, Joe Horn is just about done, and Michael Jenkins and Laurent Robinson are either inexperienced or not good enough. So Roddy White should be the #1 receiving option in Atlanta once again. Even moreso with the lack of quality receivers around him. If the running game is improved by a noticable margin that only helps the passing game also. Whether it was Byron Leftwich, Joey Harrington, or Chris Redman, Roddy White still put up good numbers so while I would prefer that he have Redman or Harrington as the starting qb I think he can put up numbers with just about anyone behind center. Even Matt Ryan. As a rookie Matt Ryan will be more apt to leaning on a favorite receiver and that would most likely be White. Unless Ryan is just absolutely horrible I don't think there's that big of a difference between him and Redman, Leftwich, or Harrington. If Ryan starts the entire season I still think that White will have over 60 receptions.In summary Roddy White is the #1 receiving option for the Falcons. Chris Chambers is anywhere from the #1-#4 receiving option for the Chargers and thus I would rather have White.

 

[FUBAR]

There's no way in hell I'd draft Chris Chambers over Roddy White though.

In a redraft, they're very close. If Redman starts, I like White. I just refuse to have a relatively unproven WR with a rookie QB as my #1 or 2. (If White's my #3, I'm ok with it). Add to that, the team will be running a lot more, they were #29 in attempts last year, and White's receptions are going to fall. I don't see him approaching 83 receptions this year, he'll be lucky to have more than 60 with Ryan under center. He might increase his TDs from 6, so that could help, but he'll be inconsistent - although not a bad play in survivor leagues at the right price.ETA: I realize the same logic applied to Edwards last year, but in all honesty, nobody should have counted on Braylon dominating like that.

While it would seem that the Falcons are heading toward a run-oriented offense they're still going to pass the ball some and I think the main beneficiary will be Roddy White because he's clearly their best receiving option right now. With Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler gone from the team (along with their 79 receptions) I think that White will become even more of a focal point in the passing game. Michael Turner isn't a good receiver, Joe Horn is just about done, and Michael Jenkins and Laurent Robinson are either inexperienced or not good enough. So Roddy White should be the #1 receiving option in Atlanta once again. Even moreso with the lack of quality receivers around him. If the running game is improved by a noticable margin that only helps the passing game also. Whether it was Byron Leftwich, Joey Harrington, or Chris Redman, Roddy White still put up good numbers so while I would prefer that he have Redman or Harrington as the starting qb I think he can put up numbers with just about anyone behind center. Even Matt Ryan. As a rookie Matt Ryan will be more apt to leaning on a favorite receiver and that would most likely be White. Unless Ryan is just absolutely horrible I don't think there's that big of a difference between him and Redman, Leftwich, or Harrington. If Ryan starts the entire season I still think that White will have over 60 receptions.In summary Roddy White is the #1 receiving option for the Falcons. Chris Chambers is anywhere from the #1-#4 receiving option for the Chargers and thus I would rather have White.

While your point of view makes sense, the lack of other receivers is problematic here. This isn't Brett Favre, who was able to force throws with great accuracy, this is a rookie QB who will find White doubled most plays. Will he be willing to throw into tough coverage? Will Roddy make the touch catches? Ryan showed he didn't mind throwing into bad spots in college, so maybe he will. Chambers is the deep threat in a much better offense. FWIW, I'm not a fan of his and will probably not get either of these in most leagues (I did take White in a survivor league). His 55.5 yards per game as a Charger aren't impressive, but in his last 7 games as a Charger (including playoffs), he netted almost 80 yards per game and 3 TDs.

 

[gianmarco]

Baltimore: I like your logic with McGahee, but lack of QB play could hurt a lot.

MOP, my only problem with your counter here is what kind of QB play did Brown have last year? If that were the case, the Miami QB situation from last year should have hurt Brown "a lot" too and it didn't. In fact, it was the fact that Ronnie Brown WAS the offense because of a lack of QB play that allowed him to get so many touches. Baltimore = Miami in a lot of ways except that Baltimore has a better O-line.

 

[gianmarco]

So minus all the gibberish what you're saying is:

-Draft Nate Burleson

-Draft Willis McGahee

-Draft Anthony Fasano

-Don't draft Roddy White

-Draft Donte Stallworth

-Draft Chris Johnson

Okay advice I guess. There's no way in hell I'd draft Chris Chambers over Roddy White though.

What you call "gibberish" is actually called "reasoning and discussion". It's actually a welcome thing here. You should give it a shot sometime.

 

[Kleck]

I'd buy a subscription to Fro's O's.

:( GB

 

[FUBAR]

I'd buy a subscription to Fro's O's.

GB

It's a good cereal.