FTSA Experts Draft (1 Viewer)

[TripItUp]

We'll see. But I like the conversation with people I disagree with. I don't think he's a top 5 guy, and the top defense is a factor, but I like him a lot as a relatively safe-ish low end starting QB. and I think he has top 5 potential, as much as anyone taken after him anyway.

What gives you confidence he can be top 5?  Are you expecting an increase in passing TDs and attempts?

 

[-OZ-]

What gives you confidence he can be top 5?  Are you expecting an increase in passing TDs and attempts?

I wouldn't say I'm confident but I do see the potential. I'm not expecting an increase, but it wouldn't be shocking, he was 18th last year. His offense looks good and I think it could be better with Cooks and more time together. He lost his oc but that doesn't seem significant with their setup. 

If Gurley got injured, he'd almost have to throw more. If not and the defense does what we expect, he can throw with less pressure than most QBs have, which should lead to continued high efficiency. 

I was impressed with what I saw last year and think he can continue to excel. 

But like I said, I wouldn't rank him top 5, and he's not particularly likely to get there this year, but the potential and talent is there.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jaylen Samuels at TE. Sneaky.

Really is. If he is TE eligible and something happened to Bell, he could easily get split touches with James Conner. Starting a RB at TE could be pretty awesome.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Yes, Cohen lacks upside.

I don’t see how Cohen lacks upside in a full PPR league. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

We'll see. But I like the conversation with people I disagree with. I don't think he's a top 5 guy, and the top defense is a factor, but I like him a lot as a relatively safe-ish low end starting QB. and I think he has top 5 potential, as much as anyone taken after him anyway.

If Goff is a top 5 FF QB the rest of the league may as well pack it in and just concede the Lombardi trophy to the Rams.

 

[TripItUp]

I don’t see how Cohen lacks upside in a full PPR league. 

Here are last year's top 10 PPR RBs

Gurley

Bell

Kamara

Hunt

Gordon

Ingram

Mccoy

Hyde

Fournette

McCaffrey

Which of these RBs look like Cohen?

 

[Hawkeye21]

Here are last year's top 10 PPR RBs

Gurely

Bell

Kamara

Hunt

Gordon

Ingram

Mccoy

Hyde

Fournette

McCaffrey

Which of these RBs look like Cohen?

Where do you have to draft those players or how much do you have to pay for them in an auction?  I think he can outperform his draft position which doesn’t mean he has to be top 10. 

 

[TripItUp]

Where do you have to draft those players or how much do you have to pay for them in an auction?  I think he can outperform his draft position which doesn’t mean he has to be top 10. 

I consider outperforming draft position and having upside two very different topics.  You are changing the topic.

Cohen's lack of upside makes him a subpar pick in round 5 of a draft, particularly when he is taken ahead of a player like Michel who IMHO has more upside.  

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I consider outperforming draft position and having upside two very different topics.  You are changing the topic.

Cohen's lack of upside makes him a subpar pick in round 5 of a draft, particularly when he is taken ahead of a player like Michel who IMHO has more upside.  

Just coming in that you may be under estimating the Nagy affect....

 

[TripItUp]

Just coming in that you may be under estimating the Nagy affect....

the only reason Cohen is being overdrafted is that Nagy quote...I remain pessimistic that Cohen is going to realize round 5 value.

 

[menobrown]

McCaffrey

Which of these RBs look like Cohen?

 

[-OZ-]

I consider outperforming draft position and having upside two very different topics.  You are changing the topic.

Cohen's lack of upside makes him a subpar pick in round 5 of a draft, particularly when he is taken ahead of a player like Michel who IMHO has more upside.  

You define upside different than many of us here. You're shooting for top 10, many of us would be content with top 20 from the 28th back drafted. Cohen has 60 reception, over 1,000 yards total, 8 TD upside. In PPR that's what, 208 points? Very similar to McCaffery. 

I don't fault someone for taking Michel over him, maybe Hyde if you don't think much of Chubb. But there's no other back taken after Cohen with better upside imo.

 

[Hawkeye21]

You define upside different than many of us here. You're shooting for top 10, many of us would be content with top 20 from the 28th back drafted. Cohen has 60 reception, over 1,000 yards total, 8 TD upside. In PPR that's what, 208 points? Very similar to McCaffery. 

I don't fault someone for taking Michel over him, maybe Hyde if you don't think much of Chubb. But there's no other back taken after Cohen with better upside imo.

I've got Cohen with similar stats for a somewhat high end.  I think his floor is what he accomplished last year which was 144.6 points in full PPR (FantasyPros).  I expect him to be much closer to 200 points this year.

Last year he finished as the RB30.  He's currently being taken as the RB31.  I think Cohen has great upside with his current draft position in full PPR.  He's a guy that has the possibility to finish in the top 15.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

You define upside different than many of us here. You're shooting for top 10, many of us would be content with top 20 from the 28th back drafted. Cohen has 60 reception, over 1,000 yards total, 8 TD upside. In PPR that's what, 208 points? Very similar to McCaffery. 

The difference is McCaffery is 5'11" / 205; Cohen is 5'6" / 175. Given the injury history of undersized RBs in the modern NFL, it's not a wild stretch to assume McCaffery is more likely to play enough games to hit those milestones than Cohen.

This is another case where the league format and rules make all the difference. If this is a standard league with weekly add-drops, I'm fine with Tarik at RB28 - ride the upside for as long as he's healthy, drop him when he gets banged up. But in draft-and-hold formats where you can't replace his (or any) production, that price is too rich for a Sproles-sized #2 back on a likely near-average offense, even in full PPR.

 

[Pwingles]

Here is the "B" league experts draft also held yesterday

https://rtsports.com/fsta-gold

The team that finishes in 1st place in this league will move up next year to compete in the "A" league and the worst A league team drops to the B league. 

Wow, the 1 and 2 slot did bad

7 and 8 did pretty well

12,13,14 were decent

 

[Biabreakable]

The difference is McCaffery is 5'11" / 205; Cohen is 5'6" / 175. Given the injury history of undersized RBs in the modern NFL, it's not a wild stretch to assume McCaffery is more likely to play enough games to hit those milestones than Cohen.

What injury history are you talking about?

Injuries to RB is not exclusive to "undersized" ones.

 

[menobrown]

The difference is McCaffery is 5'11" / 205; Cohen is 5'6" / 175. Given the injury history of undersized RBs in the modern NFL,

You are stressing the truth on those measurements to try and prove a point, I see no credible place that Cohen is listed as 175.  We want to take team website measurements CMC is in fact 205 but Cohen is 181. We want to take combine measurements we got 202 and 179. Additionally if we are to believe what both teams have told us CMC is 210 now and Cohen is 190 so what is presented as a 30 pound difference is actually as small as 20 and as much as 24,  depending on how you look at it. 

I personally don't think how tall you are makes much difference. No matter what measurement you use above Cohen has a higher BMI.

 I know this was discussed on this board a few months ago, but I don't really see a a correlation to size and injury history for undersized RB's.

 

[menobrown]

I don't fault someone for taking Michel over him, maybe Hyde if you don't think much of Chubb. But there's no other back taken after Cohen with better upside imo.

I would take Michel over Cohen myself, not Hyde. But I was in 7th round of a draft last weekend and was debating Coleman or Cohen and I went Cohen because it was my RB3 and I needed someone who I felt had a higher weekly floor, which I give to Cohen over Coleman this upcoming year. But in terms of upside I think Coleman wins because I think and injury to Freeman would be considerably bigger to Colemans value than an injury to Howard would be for Cohen.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

boy people are really down on Mike Evans huh

 

[Dez]

Jaylen Samuels at TE. Sneaky.

 My first DE draft of this year was an FFPC DE back in February and I took him in the last round, 28,  when he was listed as TE.  He has since been changed to RB. Sucks because my 5th round pick was Hunter Henry so I'm already thin at TE and it's just June. :(   Not sure rules of this or other leagues, if they can change it later.

I emailed RTS and told them every other site has Samuels listed as a RB and shockingly they changed him to RB a few days later.