Game Thread W10 - San Diego V Indianapolis (1 Viewer)

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Lost in all this is that Indy is essentially going to lose on that penalty for a completely legal shift...

You just ignoring the five picks and the missed field goals?

Not trying to pick on you, but how come people like to come back with this lame cliche'd argument any time the end of a game is taken out a team's hands? Football games are long, teams screw up many times throughout them. Every game that a team barely wins could just as easily been a game they barely lost for any number of reasons out of their control, but just because one of those didn't crop up it means all of those are forgiveable where if something totally random happens then all those things are completely at fault?Now, this game in particular isn't really a big deal because Vinatieri should've been able to make a 25 yard FG as easily as a 20 yarder, and because I can't say for sure the call wasn't legit. But I just remember reading these lame types of responses even in blunt errors like the Oregon/Oklahoma game a few years back where people would say that same lame old "they should've never put themselves in that situation in the first place". What? What situation? You mean a close football game that came down to a couple plays at the end? Yeah, because THAT never happens

They use this argument because a lot of the people on this board played football and used football growing up to learn about what life is like. And how you should comport yourself as a young man growing up and, later, as a full-grown man out in the world.When bad things happen, bad luck strikes or something falls apart, whatever, we call that life. Or football. That's just how it goes. The point is to do the very best you possibly can, to strive for perfection so that when those things happen, it doesn't cost you everything. And when things go awry, you use that as motivation for changing the things you can control, not using those other things as excuses simply because you can't control them. You play football to win games, and sometimes the bounces don't go your way. So you keep pushing, and hope it all evens out in the end.And then someone shows up to say that's B.S., and the whole life philosophy your coaches and teammates taught you and each other over many years is ridiculous because some guy in a striped shirt blew his whistle too early, so people don't have to be held accountable for their actions because some outside force also affected the outcome. And it just sounds kind of sad.You know, not to pick on you.

 

[gianmarco]

I've heard Cromartie give interviews many times, and I don't think I've ever understood a single word. He talks really fast, with a Florida accent, and he mumbles -- the combination is too much for me.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, but what is a Florida accent? Being from Florida, the majority of "us" don't have accents. Been told that on quite a number of occasions too. Not sure what that is, honestly.

 

[GrossmanToHester]

What?

 

[GrossmanToHester]

I've heard Cromartie give interviews many times, and I don't think I've ever understood a single word. He talks really fast, with a Florida accent, and he mumbles -- the combination is too much for me.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, but what is a Florida accent? Being from Florida, the majority of "us" don't have accents. Been told that on quite a number of occasions too. Not sure what that is, honestly.

Tony Mont-an-ya, mayne.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I've heard Cromartie give interviews many times, and I don't think I've ever understood a single word. He talks really fast, with a Florida accent, and he mumbles -- the combination is too much for me.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, but what is a Florida accent? Being from Florida, the majority of "us" don't have accents. Been told that on quite a number of occasions too. Not sure what that is, honestly.

It's southern.ETA: It sounds like Tomlinson's accent (Tomlinson is from Texas). But I can understand Tomlinson because he talks more slowly.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Lost in all this is that Indy is essentially going to lose on that penalty for a completely legal shift...

You just ignoring the five picks and the missed field goals?

Not trying to pick on you, but how come people like to come back with this lame cliche'd argument any time the end of a game is taken out a team's hands? Football games are long, teams screw up many times throughout them. Every game that a team barely wins could just as easily been a game they barely lost for any number of reasons out of their control, but just because one of those didn't crop up it means all of those are forgiveable where if something totally random happens then all those things are completely at fault?Now, this game in particular isn't really a big deal because Vinatieri should've been able to make a 25 yard FG as easily as a 20 yarder, and because I can't say for sure the call wasn't legit. But I just remember reading these lame types of responses even in blunt errors like the Oregon/Oklahoma game a few years back where people would say that same lame old "they should've never put themselves in that situation in the first place". What? What situation? You mean a close football game that came down to a couple plays at the end? Yeah, because THAT never happens

Because the ending of the game is the result of what happened before. It's impossible to truly pin any game down to a single event. Your post makes assumptions about the outcome of things that never took place. It's more reasonable to look at the five (now six) interceptions that Manning threw, the awful kick coverage, or the missed field goals. To blame it on a questionable ref's call is a strawman that makes Colts fans feel good. They laid a crapburger all night and were only in it because of the benevolence of Norv Turner and Philip Rivers. Blaming it on that one call marginalizes what happened all night.

Well, I didn't mean to say it lost them the game, all I said was that it was overlooked in the shock of Vinatieri missing such a short FG, especially since at the time it was called it seemed like such a harmless penalty even though it was an iffy call.I am no Colts homer, nor do I own any Colt other than Harrison in any league I'm in. In fact, I couldn't care less about the Colts. I think you've implied I'm a homer for a couple different teams by now in a couple different threads (I believe the last was the Redskins, or the Eagles I can't remember which)...I can't possibly be homers of all of them Anyway, I get what you're saying, and I'm just saying I wasn't saying they lost on that one play, but it's still worth mentioning. Teams play poorly and still win all the time, and it still counts in the win column. It's funny though that if they get way behind and come back and win it's "they showed great resilience", but if the only thing that stops them from completing the comeback is something out of their hands (a bad call) then it's "well they played terribly anyways and deserved to lose".5 yards during the flight of that kick that they lost through no fault of their own were the difference between the great praise and great criticism tonight. Yes, they threw lots of picks, made lots of poor plays all game long, but overcame it.

 

[bentley]

Lost in all this is that Indy is essentially going to lose on that penalty for a completely legal shift...

You just ignoring the five picks and the missed field goals?

Not trying to pick on you, but how come people like to come back with this lame cliche'd argument any time the end of a game is taken out a team's hands? Football games are long, teams screw up many times throughout them. Every game that a team barely wins could just as easily been a game they barely lost for any number of reasons out of their control, but just because one of those didn't crop up it means all of those are forgiveable where if something totally random happens then all those things are completely at fault?Now, this game in particular isn't really a big deal because Vinatieri should've been able to make a 25 yard FG as easily as a 20 yarder, and because I can't say for sure the call wasn't legit. But I just remember reading these lame types of responses even in blunt errors like the Oregon/Oklahoma game a few years back where people would say that same lame old "they should've never put themselves in that situation in the first place". What? What situation? You mean a close football game that came down to a couple plays at the end? Yeah, because THAT never happens

Because the ending of the game is the result of what happened before. It's impossible to truly pin any game down to a single event. Your post makes assumptions about the outcome of things that never took place. It's more reasonable to look at the five (now six) interceptions that Manning threw, the awful kick coverage, or the missed field goals. To blame it on a questionable ref's call is a strawman that makes Colts fans feel good. They laid a crapburger all night and were only in it because of the benevolence of Norv Turner and Philip Rivers. Blaming it on that one call marginalizes what happened all night.

Well, I didn't mean to say it lost them the game, all I said was that it was overlooked in the shock of Vinatieri missing such a short FG, especially since at the time it was called it seemed like such a harmless penalty even though it was an iffy call.I am no Colts homer, nor do I own any Colt other than Harrison in any league I'm in. In fact, I couldn't care less about the Colts. I think you've implied I'm a homer for a couple different teams by now in a couple different threads (I believe the last was the Redskins, or the Eagles I can't remember which)...I can't possibly be homers of all of them Anyway, I get what you're saying, and I'm just saying I wasn't saying they lost on that one play, but it's still worth mentioning. Teams play poorly and still win all the time, and it still counts in the win column. It's funny though that if they get way behind and come back and win it's "they showed great resilience", but if the only thing that stops them from completing the comeback is something out of their hands (a bad call) then it's "well they played terribly anyways and deserved to lose".5 yards during the flight of that kick that they lost through no fault of their own were the difference between the great praise and great criticism tonight. Yes, they threw lots of picks, made lots of poor plays all game long, but overcame it.

I really have no interest in starting an argument, but I'm not sure how "Lost in all this is that Indy is essentially going to lose on that penalty for a completely legal shift..." could mean anything other than you saying it lost them the game. I think maybe I called you a homer for the Patriots. I don't remember. I just think the "blaming it on the refs" thing is way overplayed and extremely lame.

 

[North]

Turner still deserves to be fired!

 

[gianmarco]

I've heard Cromartie give interviews many times, and I don't think I've ever understood a single word. He talks really fast, with a Florida accent, and he mumbles -- the combination is too much for me.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, but what is a Florida accent? Being from Florida, the majority of "us" don't have accents. Been told that on quite a number of occasions too. Not sure what that is, honestly.

It's southern.ETA: It sounds like Tomlinson's accent (Tomlinson is from Texas). But I can understand Tomlinson because he talks more slowly.

Ahh. Well, yes, there are definitely some people from Florida with a southern accent, but they are actually mostly from the northern part of Florida, in places like Lake City and Ocala. But the majority of Floridians don't have a southern accent. But I digress.....did you see Vinatieri miss that FG?

 

[Riffraff]

Is it safe to breathe yet?

 

[mad sweeney]

Turner still deserves to be fired!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Lost in all this is that Indy is essentially going to lose on that penalty for a completely legal shift...

You just ignoring the five picks and the missed field goals?

Not trying to pick on you, but how come people like to come back with this lame cliche'd argument any time the end of a game is taken out a team's hands? Football games are long, teams screw up many times throughout them. Every game that a team barely wins could just as easily been a game they barely lost for any number of reasons out of their control, but just because one of those didn't crop up it means all of those are forgiveable where if something totally random happens then all those things are completely at fault?Now, this game in particular isn't really a big deal because Vinatieri should've been able to make a 25 yard FG as easily as a 20 yarder, and because I can't say for sure the call wasn't legit. But I just remember reading these lame types of responses even in blunt errors like the Oregon/Oklahoma game a few years back where people would say that same lame old "they should've never put themselves in that situation in the first place". What? What situation? You mean a close football game that came down to a couple plays at the end? Yeah, because THAT never happens

They use this argument because a lot of the people on this board played football and used football growing up to learn about what life is like. And how you should comport yourself as a young man growing up and, later, as a full-grown man out in the world.When bad things happen, bad luck strikes or something falls apart, whatever, we call that life. Or football. That's just how it goes. The point is to do the very best you possibly can, to strive for perfection so that when those things happen, it doesn't cost you everything. And when things go awry, you use that as motivation for changing the things you can control, not using those other things as excuses simply because you can't control them. You play football to win games, and sometimes the bounces don't go your way. So you keep pushing, and hope it all evens out in the end.And then someone shows up to say that's B.S., and the whole life philosophy your coaches and teammates taught you and each other over many years is ridiculous because some guy in a striped shirt blew his whistle too early, so people don't have to be held accountable for their actions because some outside force also affected the outcome. And it just sounds kind of sad.You know, not to pick on you.

If you could be a bit more passive aggressive in your next post, I would appreciate it.Neither you nor I were out there on the football field tonight, so neither you nor I have anything to be accountable for. Sure, bad luck happens, and it happens to everyone, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it, nor does it mean that things wouldn't have turned out differently were it not there.Part of the issue here is that I think the rule itself it a bad rule. To have "well when you did the perfectly legal shift that you actually HAD to do to make the formation you were lining up in legal it kind of looked to me like maybe you were trying to pretend the ball had just been snapped" have such a large effect on such an important play of the game seems worth at least mentioning to me. If it's a shift, then it's a shift and that's the end of it. Defensive LBs and DBs can run up to the line and pretend like they're about to jump over it as many times as they like.Maybe what would help is if you could explain to me what it's like to grow up playing football like "a lot of us on this board" have. I stopped playing when I was 18, so I guess I wasn't completely grown up yet (cue joke about still not being grown up here ). Perhaps then I can take that knowledge over to campus where I've worked with these kids growing up with football for years.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I've heard Cromartie give interviews many times, and I don't think I've ever understood a single word. He talks really fast, with a Florida accent, and he mumbles -- the combination is too much for me.

Not trying to be sarcastic here, but what is a Florida accent? Being from Florida, the majority of "us" don't have accents. Been told that on quite a number of occasions too. Not sure what that is, honestly.

It's southern.ETA: It sounds like Tomlinson's accent (Tomlinson is from Texas). But I can understand Tomlinson because he talks more slowly.

Ahh. Well, yes, there are definitely some people from Florida with a southern accent, but they are actually mostly from the northern part of Florida, in places like Lake City and Ocala. But the majority of Floridians don't have a southern accent. But I digress.....did you see Vinatieri miss that FG?

A lot of it is city by city as well. As you would expect, the accents are much more common in smaller towns. I live in Gainesville where there is almost no hint of a southern accent in 98% of the people you talk to, but a quick 20 minute drive to Hawthorne or Micanopy and it's a completely different story.

 

[Judge Smails]

I have no problem with how the Colts played this. Don't take the timeout - you might need them (as they did) if the Chargers come back and score. Don't mind them trying to draw them offsides either. Manning's done it in the past. Vinitieri just blew it. Period. 29 yard yard field goals should be automatic - 9 yards more than an XP.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Countdown to "idiot kicker" comments?

I'd rather go for idiot QB or idiot coach for even lining up in an offensive set in the first place.

Errr, why? You've got to figure they have nothing to lose there, just planning to take a timeout if SD didn't jump. Don't think anyone expected a flag for a perfectly legal shift. Even if it did though, I think it's fair to assume that your kicker, who is supposed to be the best and most clutch of all time, won't see a difference between a 20 and 25 yard FG.May as well see if you can keep their offense off the field with plenty of time to get into FG range for their kicker, who is pretty darn good himself.

Why you ask?You saw exactly why. It was a stupid thing to do and cost them a game.

But you and Dungy go ahead and keep assuming what should happen.

You're kidding me right? What are the chances that Indy would get a phantom 5 yard penalty called on them there and then have the best kicker in the game miss a chipshot FG that would have been good from 5 yards closer? 1%? 0.5%? Less than that?Now, if they kick the FG right away they give SD the ball back with a minute and 30 seconds to kick a FG. What are the chances that SD (who has had a huge game on kick returns) gets into FG range and hits a game winning FG? 15% or so? Maybe a little more.

The point is, the odds that trying to make them jump would hurt them more then just kicking and giving SD a shot to win it were very, very, very, very low. So it happened. Ok, crazy things happen. Let me guess, you're the type of guy who doubled down on 18 once when the dealer was showing paint and hit a 3, so you've concluded that that obviously makes it the right play there even though the odds of that working out better were exceedingly slim?

I never said anything about not winding down the clock. That's fine. Do it with your guys milling around, not in formation, and call the TO when the play clock hits 2 seconds.And horrific blackjack analogies aside, you have no argument here. No matter how slight the chance is that it could happen gets thrown out because it did happen. They f'd around and got burned. It's the end of the story and end of your argument.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Countdown to "idiot kicker" comments?

I'd rather go for idiot QB or idiot coach for even lining up in an offensive set in the first place.

Errr, why? You've got to figure they have nothing to lose there, just planning to take a timeout if SD didn't jump. Don't think anyone expected a flag for a perfectly legal shift. Even if it did though, I think it's fair to assume that your kicker, who is supposed to be the best and most clutch of all time, won't see a difference between a 20 and 25 yard FG.May as well see if you can keep their offense off the field with plenty of time to get into FG range for their kicker, who is pretty darn good himself.

Why you ask?You saw exactly why. It was a stupid thing to do and cost them a game.

But you and Dungy go ahead and keep assuming what should happen.

You're kidding me right? What are the chances that Indy would get a phantom 5 yard penalty called on them there and then have the best kicker in the game miss a chipshot FG that would have been good from 5 yards closer? 1%? 0.5%? Less than that?Now, if they kick the FG right away they give SD the ball back with a minute and 30 seconds to kick a FG. What are the chances that SD (who has had a huge game on kick returns) gets into FG range and hits a game winning FG? 15% or so? Maybe a little more.

The point is, the odds that trying to make them jump would hurt them more then just kicking and giving SD a shot to win it were very, very, very, very low. So it happened. Ok, crazy things happen. Let me guess, you're the type of guy who doubled down on 18 once when the dealer was showing paint and hit a 3, so you've concluded that that obviously makes it the right play there even though the odds of that working out better were exceedingly slim?

I never said anything about not winding down the clock. That's fine. Do it with your guys milling around, not in formation, and call the TO when the play clock hits 2 seconds.And horrific blackjack analogies aside, you have no argument here. No matter how slight the chance is that it could happen gets thrown out because it did happen. They f'd around and got burned. It's the end of the story and end of your argument.

You're misunderstanding me I think. I wasn't saying they were trying to run down the clock by letting the play clock run down (I don't think the clock was even running there), I was saying they were trying to run down the clock by drawing SD offsides to get a 1st down.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I just re-watched the end of the game (after the final whistle blew) about 3 times. Norv comes up behind LT and tries to tell him something that Norv obviously thinks is funny, LT turns around and shoots daggers through Norv with his eyes.

IMHO LT is very uhappy with Norv, or the playcalling or both.

This Charger team is going no where fast with that ####### ####### (rhymes with bucking betard) as head coach.

PS: Cotrell, you might think about blitzing once in a while on third down. No really, it does work.

PPS: McCree is horrid. Just really really bad.

Indy, you kind of got jobbed but I look at that last bad call as a make up call for some of the phantom calls made on Indy's 2nd TD drive.

This is one of the intangibles that makes LT one of the greatest players ever. You don't celebrate a win like that. You take it, but you're not smiling because you know you deserved to lose. You're frustrated and you know you have a lot of work to do. Norv is happy that he's got a job this week. LT is thinking that they're not a Super Bowl contender and won't go anywhere with that kind of performance. Which one is the true coach?

 

[Borat]

Stephen Gostkowski makes that kick every time.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Stephen Gostkowski makes that kick every time.

Maybe Bleichick was on to something when they let Adam V. get away....

 

[bollocks28]

I just re-watched the end of the game (after the final whistle blew) about 3 times. Norv comes up behind LT and tries to tell him something that Norv obviously thinks is funny, LT turns around and shoots daggers through Norv with his eyes.

IMHO LT is very uhappy with Norv, or the playcalling or both.

This Charger team is going no where fast with that ####### ####### (rhymes with bucking betard) as head coach.

PS: Cotrell, you might think about blitzing once in a while on third down. No really, it does work.

PPS: McCree is horrid. Just really really bad.

Indy, you kind of got jobbed but I look at that last bad call as a make up call for some of the phantom calls made on Indy's 2nd TD drive.

This is one of the intangibles that makes LT one of the greatest players ever. You don't celebrate a win like that. You take it, but you're not smiling because you know you deserved to lose. You're frustrated and you know you have a lot of work to do. Norv is happy that he's got a job this week. LT is thinking that they're not a Super Bowl contender and won't go anywhere with that kind of performance. Which one is the true coach?

Agreed. Norv must go now. The team won't do any worse, their division is up for grabs and having fluked out last nights W they should make the playoffs. If you fire Norv now, maybe they can right the ship in time to actually be competitive in the playoffs. <--- don't let these guys start becoming regulars in SD.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think It's BILLY VOLEK time

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

And if any play won it for the Chargers, that was it. With the ineffectiveness of the Bolts O and the opposite from the Colts in the second half, I think Indy clearly wins it in OT. It's so completely rare for V to miss FGs that while possible, is highly unlikely. And almost no way Rivers leads that team to an OT win.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

And if any play won it for the Chargers, that was it. With the ineffectiveness of the Bolts O and the opposite from the Colts in the second half, I think Indy clearly wins it in OT. It's so completely rare for V to miss FGs that while possible, is highly unlikely. And almost no way Rivers leads that team to an OT win.

He may not have to if SD wins the coin-toss and INDY has to kickoff to Sproles.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

And if any play won it for the Chargers, that was it. With the ineffectiveness of the Bolts O and the opposite from the Colts in the second half, I think Indy clearly wins it in OT. It's so completely rare for V to miss FGs that while possible, is highly unlikely. And almost no way Rivers leads that team to an OT win.

He may not have to if SD wins the coin-toss and INDY has to kickoff to Sproles.

True, but that would've been SD's only hope. They botched a freaking PAT afterall so a FG is still a tricky play.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

And if any play won it for the Chargers, that was it. With the ineffectiveness of the Bolts O and the opposite from the Colts in the second half, I think Indy clearly wins it in OT. It's so completely rare for V to miss FGs that while possible, is highly unlikely. And almost no way Rivers leads that team to an OT win.

He may not have to if SD wins the coin-toss and INDY has to kickoff to Sproles.

True, but that would've been SD's only hope. They botched a freaking PAT afterall so a FG is still a tricky play.

Cromartie could have gotten his fourth INT and returned it for a TD. Cromartie was due, he didn't even get one in the fourth quarter!

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't think it was really talked about, since everyone was chuckling about Rivers' fumble and his poor attempt to knock it out of the end zone, but I thought Indy's decision to run Addai on the two-point conversion was a weird one. Little did we or they know that 23-21 would be the final score, but given that the Colts had all of the momentum, I thought a play call with a better chance of succeeding should have been called there. Calling for a run there is essentially like calling a running play on 4th and 2 1/2.

I think a different play was called and Manning audibled out of it because the SD defenders were very spread out. It was a very big play and the SD DL actually peformed pretty well in run defense all night(2.9y/c).

And if any play won it for the Chargers, that was it. With the ineffectiveness of the Bolts O and the opposite from the Colts in the second half, I think Indy clearly wins it in OT. It's so completely rare for V to miss FGs that while possible, is highly unlikely. And almost no way Rivers leads that team to an OT win.

He may not have to if SD wins the coin-toss and INDY has to kickoff to Sproles.

True, but that would've been SD's only hope. They botched a freaking PAT afterall so a FG is still a tricky play.

Cromartie could have gotten his fourth INT and returned it for a TD. Cromartie was due, he didn't even get one in the fourth quarter!

Watching Deion and ESPN was very maddening. Loud mouth said that Peyton made Cromartie look like a probowler. I don't know what game he was watching, but at least two of Cromie's picks were extremely athletic plays. ESPN said something similar, taking the credit away from Cromartie.