Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
And Kansas City says Thank You to Seattle.....the loss in CLEV was just softened a bit.
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Game Thread W13 - Seattle v Denver (1 Viewer)
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jonessed
Footballguy
Apparently bothOf the NFC 2nd seed race or of the Broncos' season.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Sorry.. meant a Denver win is better.... course the "defense" lost this game.:whoosh:Yeah... like it didn't matter, even when Plummer had them in the playoff hunt. No it will. He was gifted that., he's done about 80% to lose, 10% nuetral, and 10% of good QB'ing. But, a Denver is better.a win by Cutler = a win by Cutler.If the Broncos win, how Cutler looked inhis first game won;t mater.Don't forget, Jake also wasn't getting 100+ yard Tatum Bell games recently. Plummer has been bad, but I remember thinking last week that it was the defense and the running game that really was losing that game.
ETA: Without editing, Cutler now looks great because of horrific coverage and poor tackling. He looks great and Marshall did everything.
Cutler... nice. All that swagger and improvement in practice over the year... looks great... reaaaaaaaaaaaally great.
The Dreaded Marco
Footballguy
Me too. Time to sign him to an extension. 4 game-winning FG's this year.IJosh Brown.
Bristol
Footballguy
Just call them as I see them! I think it's funny that someone who has NO SHOT of EVER stepping foot on a professional football field would have the nerve to critcize. That is so poor.Hey big fella. I'd forgotten how little value you add to the board.Like you could do better. Give me a break!
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I really do not know what to say.....you make a change, but you dumb down the offense so much that you play not to lose??
I mean, with this performance, you have to run the table or get help to make the playoffs. Why make the change if you are not going to try and win?
I mean, with this performance, you have to run the table or get help to make the playoffs. Why make the change if you are not going to try and win?
ffldrew
Footballguy
Well, Cutler certainly wasn't the golden boy savior we needed for the offense tonight, but really the Bronco defense has failed to make a significant stop - either turnover, sack in the 4th quarter since the Colt debacle. I'm not sure what it is but we get on our heels and let the opponent throw at will with little or no pressure. That is a more troubling sign for the Broncos.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Jags and Cincie said it much louder and with much more "oomph" after actaully WINNING this week.With losses by the Colts Denver and Chiefs, the AFC just got a LOT weaker.
packersfan
Footballguy
That's the baffling thing. Allegedly, the whole point of going to Cutler was to open up the offense and enable the passing game to show more life than it had with Plummer - specifically making better use of Javon Walker. But you wouldn't have known that from the gameplan tonight. It doesn't make a lot of sense to bench Plummer if you're going to regress in terms of the gameplan. If Bell hadn't played so well and the defense didn't stand out for three quarters, the Broncos get blown out of this game tonight.
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
That was an odd game. I've never seen such an uninspired performance by the Seahawks offense. Even when the offense is bad, they're usually spectaculary bad. Tonight it was if they were just going through the motions.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I do.I've had a few drinks and your avatar suddenly is very very disturbing to me.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
agreed - what do you all think - is there something wrong with Hass such that they weren't taking shots on third and long?
jonessed
Footballguy
It couldn't be any other way. It's not like Romo or Rivers who have had time to learn the offense. Putting Cutler in was tossing away any shot at the playoffs. I figured Denver fans realized this and were just happy to give Cutler the experience. He was not going to walk in here and put up the ridiculous 300/3 numbers people were saying were his upside. It was never going to happen. Denver ####ed up their chance this year when they made Plummer the goat.
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Amen
BigTuna
Footballguy
Me too. Time to sign him to an extension. 4 game-winning FG's this year.I
He even got a Forced fumble and got on the horse trailer!
BigTuna
Footballguy
He said in an interview after the game that they kept running the ball because they were reading blitz, then denver would pull out. He said he felt fine.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Nah, it was stripped right before Brown hit em. Good stick though, prevented him from retrieving his own fumble.Me too. Time to sign him to an extension. 4 game-winning FG's this year.I
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
Seattle is one of the worst 3rd and long teams in the league in my opinion. Their short passing game just isn't built for it. They do a hell of a lot audibles to Strong or Alexander/Morris in those situations. That said it was the rest of the playcalling that had me puzzled. They showed zero aggression on every down, and the one shot down field was against Champ Bailey which was just beyond stupid. Why the hell they didn't attack Williams with Branch and Hackett is beyond me. Hackett has proven that he needs at least one or two shots down field a game.
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learnhowtopass
Footballguy
Seattle were set and primed to be smashed tonight but all the stinking idiot-pundits in Denver just had to see Jay Cutler play QB. If you thought you knew football AND wanted Cutler in there, NOW, you know you know nothing about football. With Plummer 39-15, and Denver 7-4, you don't ever start a rookie in his first game. Idiots. And Shanahan, who is usually a great coach, saying that he's not going to put Jake back in. What the F is that crap? Forget about winning. What's important is that when a choice is made you stick with it. Even if everything goes wrong. And if Cutler is so good why play so conservative!!?? Idiots. All idiots.
Kleck
Footballguy
And how. It just kills me that he doesn't get more looks. He posts the best stats of all the WRs in Seattle per target. Not even close. Further, he makes plays in clutch situations. There has to be something to this that we don't see. Perhaps he's a terrible practice player.
thatguy
Footballguy
What the hell does this mean?And the whole "Denver was 7-4 and in line to make the playoffs and don't mess with a good thing" argument is flawed. If you've watched the Broncos at all this season, and especially lately, you would have realized the ship was sinking fast. Cutler's performance tonight was very Plummer-esque, anyway. It's silly to assume Plummer would have done better. Remember, Denver had 5 turnovers. Cutler was only responsible for 2 of them.
jonessed
Footballguy
Why was the ship sinking fast? This seems to be readily accepted by Denver fans as the reason for the change, but losing tight games to the two current AFC leaders and in Arrowhead (a place Denver always struggles) is not something to panic about. Now the season really is lost because Cutler looks like total ####. His mechanics go to Hell when he is under pressure and he is running a dumbed down offense because he hasn't had time to learn the system. You make the playoffs and you have a chance. Denver would have made the playoffs with Plummer, they won't with Cutler.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
With Plummer, Denver looked like a less talented recent Bears team - winning despite their QB.
How would the Bears look if they sat Grossman tomorrow and put Orlovsky back in? Still as good a team? We don't know.
Only two reasons I can see for Shannie having made the decision are: 1) it couldn't get any worse (that's a debatrable point) and 2) Plummer can't throw the deep out and Cutler can - that is clearly true.
On the flip side, I saw some drops - and the Rod Smith fumble and ST fumble were both inexcusable and both led to 'hawk points.
How would the Bears look if they sat Grossman tomorrow and put Orlovsky back in? Still as good a team? We don't know.
Only two reasons I can see for Shannie having made the decision are: 1) it couldn't get any worse (that's a debatrable point) and 2) Plummer can't throw the deep out and Cutler can - that is clearly true.
On the flip side, I saw some drops - and the Rod Smith fumble and ST fumble were both inexcusable and both led to 'hawk points.
thatguy
Footballguy
It was painfully obvious that Plummer was incapable of leading that team (particularly when it mattered). And when your QB can't lead, generally speaking, it does not bode well for success. The defense is good, but not nearly good enough to win games on it's own. Your perception apparently differs from mine, but IMO, Denver hasn't looked good for a while now.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
As a Seahawks fan I'll take this win and then some. Anytime you play badly on the road in a place like Denver and win it's a huge win. At 8-4 having played about three good games all year there is no way any Hawks fan can't be pleased with the record. The product on the field? Well not so much.
With the group of linebackers they have I'm frustrated to see so many plays having to be made by the safeties. Hamlin is still groggy from last season and although Babineux played better last night, the free safety position has meant "Free TD" all year. Tatupu hasn't played the way he did last year, Herndon has not looked great, and the run D has been paralyzed by the loss of Marcus Tubbs. The line has been good though vs the pass as Darby, Widstrom, and Davis have done a nice job. It's an undersized group against the run but a fast group that can get to the QB. Considering leads have been hard to come by with 4 last second wins, I'd like to see this D with a 10 to 14 point lead more often. Trufant has been great BTW and should be a pro bowl candidate. Jennings and Tapp the rookies are making their presence felt as demonstrated last night.
The offense is something I'm not overly concerned about. They have no rhythm but I think it just takes one good game to get the feeling back. With Arizona and SF at home the next two weeks it's time to build some momentum. I think they can and will run against both and they should be able to open up the middle of the field for Hasselbeck. The line has played much better over the past 4 weeks or so and that is very encouraging. One Tobeck and Locklear return it will just be better. Getting Branch into the gameplan is an idea and with Hackett and even Burleson looking like decent #3 WRs and Stevens back, the ammunition is there.
I'm not sure they will ever hit their stride as they did last year but I think right now they are finally in a position to do so. If they can finish strong and win their two home games vs the Chargers and 49ers I will like their momentum. Face it, this team has been waiting for the playoffs all year and until they get there I'm not sure they will be 100 percent focused. If they can get the #2 seed I'm not sure anyone can come to Seattle in the divisionals and win. I certainly like the Hawks chances against anyone at home. If they hit their stride and win their first round game and then have to go to Dallas/NO I like their chances there also if the defense can quit giving up all the big plays. Right now though I'll just be watching with anticipation these final four weeks hoping to see the Seahawks team I did last year. Then I'll really be pleased.
GO........
SEAHAWKS
With the group of linebackers they have I'm frustrated to see so many plays having to be made by the safeties. Hamlin is still groggy from last season and although Babineux played better last night, the free safety position has meant "Free TD" all year. Tatupu hasn't played the way he did last year, Herndon has not looked great, and the run D has been paralyzed by the loss of Marcus Tubbs. The line has been good though vs the pass as Darby, Widstrom, and Davis have done a nice job. It's an undersized group against the run but a fast group that can get to the QB. Considering leads have been hard to come by with 4 last second wins, I'd like to see this D with a 10 to 14 point lead more often. Trufant has been great BTW and should be a pro bowl candidate. Jennings and Tapp the rookies are making their presence felt as demonstrated last night.
The offense is something I'm not overly concerned about. They have no rhythm but I think it just takes one good game to get the feeling back. With Arizona and SF at home the next two weeks it's time to build some momentum. I think they can and will run against both and they should be able to open up the middle of the field for Hasselbeck. The line has played much better over the past 4 weeks or so and that is very encouraging. One Tobeck and Locklear return it will just be better. Getting Branch into the gameplan is an idea and with Hackett and even Burleson looking like decent #3 WRs and Stevens back, the ammunition is there.
I'm not sure they will ever hit their stride as they did last year but I think right now they are finally in a position to do so. If they can finish strong and win their two home games vs the Chargers and 49ers I will like their momentum. Face it, this team has been waiting for the playoffs all year and until they get there I'm not sure they will be 100 percent focused. If they can get the #2 seed I'm not sure anyone can come to Seattle in the divisionals and win. I certainly like the Hawks chances against anyone at home. If they hit their stride and win their first round game and then have to go to Dallas/NO I like their chances there also if the defense can quit giving up all the big plays. Right now though I'll just be watching with anticipation these final four weeks hoping to see the Seahawks team I did last year. Then I'll really be pleased.
GO........
SEAHAWKS
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Damn. That was a shame to see the Broncos great defensive effort get wasted. Losing Al Wilson was huge. Cutler looked lost, but it was his first NFL start. Damn.
