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Garrett to stay in Big D? (1 Viewer)
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Mustang Man
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Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
It's been scrolling across the bottom on ESPN.
Phurfur
Footballguy
He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Nigel Tufnel
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I guarantee something to that effect was promised. Maybe not next year, but he will be the next head coach of the Cowboys.
What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Mungo Burrows
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Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
No he must not be ready the RavenS just have no clue about what they are doing and you know all because you are a insider. Ozzie Newsom is no dummy. If he thought for a second Garrett was not ready why in the heck would the Ravens make an offer. COME ON DUDE.He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It is a big surprise. How many assistants do you know will hang around and pass up taking a head coaching job somewhere else.I'll tell you what, Garrett showed me that he is loyal to Dallas and as a fan I plan on returning the favor if the chips are ever down.The one question/concern I have is this: If you were Wade Phillips, how does this make you feel. Even though you aren't getting fired, you know exactly what this means. He's got a year or two max and maybe that's Wade's plan anyway.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Bankerguy
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Well the biggest loss is Ireland...not the Coaches imo. Bowles has done nothing (We threw big money at Anthony Henry based on his recommendation) and the others Pasqualoni and Lee are not irreplaceble. Retaining Garrett was big, to me that would be the greatest loss. Sparano was expendable because Garrett will now have a year under his belt and take the reigns. There are some quality coaches available right now, and you have to admit Dallas has to be considered a desirable location right now.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Because it's a Cowboy thread and he likes to *fish* in them.Garrett was actually positioned/hired by Jones before Wade Phillips was and almost was just named head coach of the Cowboys last year he was so impressive.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
redman
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Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
Mustang Man
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OK so I was wrong about the o-line but I got 2 of 3 right the defense is old and the qb situation is terrible. I live in Baltimore and though I am not a fan know that this team is in trouble. I do hope they turn it around.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Bankerguy
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To be honest though......Wade was a lame duck from the time he was hired. Especially after the Garrett hiring prior to him. This is just an extension of the move last year...imo. It doesn't really change much. Not many had the expectation that he'd stay longer than 2 years.Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
Mustang Man
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yeah I do not think it bothers Wade at all. He knows 2 more years is all he has left at best. I think this next season is his last unless they improve on this past season and get to the NFC championship or farther.It is a big surprise. How many assistants do you know will hang around and pass up taking a head coaching job somewhere else.I'll tell you what, Garrett showed me that he is loyal to Dallas and as a fan I plan on returning the favor if the chips are ever down.The one question/concern I have is this: If you were Wade Phillips, how does this make you feel. Even though you aren't getting fired, you know exactly what this means. He's got a year or two max and maybe that's Wade's plan anyway.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I have to disagree with you, Garrett is ready which is why Baltimore offered the job. The reason Phillips isn't getting fired is because he doesn't deserve to be fired. He's an older coach and isn't going to stay around forever regardless if Garrett stayed or not.Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
PatrickT
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Mustang Man
Footballguy
The one thing that can screw Garrett is if Cowher gets into the ring as a possible head coach.. I can see that happening.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Then why were they dealing with guys like chan gailey and dave campo instead of having guys beating down their door to coach there?The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
With Jerry in charge again, they will go downhill quickly as their talent leaves and is not adequately replaced.Mustang Man
Footballguy
It happened before that does not mean it will happen again. We will have to wait and see. The past was more that JJ thought he could do it on his own. I think he now knows he can't. JJ did not get this far in his life by not learning from his mistakes. This is a business and JJ knows how to run one.Then why were they dealing with guys like chan gailey and dave campo instead of having guys beating down their door to coach there?The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Phurfur
Footballguy
If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Because he's not perfect. Those guys didn't stick around long. All you can say about Jones is he wants a winner and he's willing to do what it takes. As a fan, that's all you can ask for. He's no football guru but he wants to win and he'll do what he can to accomplish that, he's proven it.You can't say that about all owners in this league, ask Detroit fans.Then why were they dealing with guys like chan gailey and dave campo instead of having guys beating down their door to coach there?The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
I know in this day and time it is hard to see or hear that a guy is loyal. Garrett I believe is 100% loyal to Dallas. He is a long time player and now wants to be in Dallas coaching. There are family ties in Dallas as well. Why is that so hard to believe. So many haters.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Apparently Garrett does and at this point, that's all I care.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Phurfur
Footballguy
But he is not happy being just the owner and the glory going to others. He got rid of Jimmy Johnson and drove The Tuna out when he though he could take over. JJs ego will always hurt him. Maybe he has finally found his lackey.Because he's not perfect. Those guys didn't stick around long. All you can say about Jones is he wants a winner and he's willing to do what it takes. As a fan, that's all you can ask for. He's no football guru but he wants to win and he'll do what he can to accomplish that, he's proven it.Then why were they dealing with guys like chan gailey and dave campo instead of having guys beating down their door to coach there?The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Because he just spent the last week shaking more money out of JJ and/or interviewing to leave the Cowboys? I'll go out on a limb and call that slightly less than 100% loyal.I know in this day and time it is hard to see or hear that a guy is loyal. Garrett I believe is 100% loyal to Dallas. He is a long time player and now wants to be in Dallas coaching. There are family ties in Dallas as well. Why is that so hard to believe. So many haters.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Apprently he has.But he is not happy being just the owner and the glory going to others. He got rid of Jimmy Johnson and drove The Tuna out when he though he could take over. JJs ego will always hurt him. Maybe he has finally found his lackey.Because he's not perfect. Those guys didn't stick around long. All you can say about Jones is he wants a winner and he's willing to do what it takes. As a fan, that's all you can ask for. He's no football guru but he wants to win and he'll do what he can to accomplish that, he's proven it.Then why were they dealing with guys like chan gailey and dave campo instead of having guys beating down their door to coach there?The Cowboys job will always be PLUM. It's one of the top franchises in the league, it is where aspiring people want to get to. It's not the only place but it's one of them. You're always going to have people coming and going, it's the nature of the game.Now granted, I'm a little biased, but I'm not entirely sure the Cowpokes job will remain that plum now that parcells is raiding all the guys he put in place to run the front office and coach the team. This means Jerry Jones is clearly running the operation hands-on again, and IMHO that does not bode well for the future there. The Ravens have an established, stable front office.Also, just to nitpick, I'll give you the defense, but the Ravens o-line is not old. It has gone through a major transformation over the past couple years and for the most part is actually fairly young. Ogden and Flynn are still there (At least until the retirement announcement for JO when he finds out who the new coach will be) but the other main contributors on the line were 3 rookies (Grubbs, Yanda, Gaither) a 2nd year guy (Chester) and 2 3rd year guys (Terry, Brown). Chester is being groomed to take over for Flynn and they expect Terry or Gaither to take over the LT from Ogden. There's still likely another player or two to be picked up, but that line has been almost completely rebuilt.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Phurfur
Footballguy
No garrett doesn't think he is ready yet that is why he is staying in Dallas. For this reason I think it is a smart move on his part to stay.Apparently Garrett does and at this point, that's all I care.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
So, to be loyal is to do what, stick your head in the sand and not look around you? The guy was offered a head coaching job in the NFL and he turned it down to remain an offensive coordinator. You can say what you want but that's rare in today's day and age and definately is considered loyal.Because he just spent the last week shaking more money out of JJ and/or interviewing to leave the Cowboys? I'll go out on a limb and call that slightly less than 100% loyal.I know in this day and time it is hard to see or hear that a guy is loyal. Garrett I believe is 100% loyal to Dallas. He is a long time player and now wants to be in Dallas coaching. There are family ties in Dallas as well. Why is that so hard to believe. So many haters.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
I think if teams are high on Garret because the Cowboys offense did well that's a mistake because the talent level was so high it would have been difficult to not do well offensively. But that does not mean Garret is not qualified. He comes from a football family, his dad is either a scout or a coach I cant' recall which. He's smart, he's been around the game and others in the league who know more than you or I hold him in high esteem. In fact about a month ago I heard Aikman say if he was starting an NFL team he would hire Garret as his HC. Aikman is of course biased and the fact that the one time that I know of that Jerry relied on Aikmans scouting ability with a player was when he had Aikman work out and subsequently recommend David LaFlauer who turned out to be a flop.
Mustang Man
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Come on dude you got to do what you got to do to make the money. If he ever wanted out he could be the Ravens coach right now. There is loyalty and stupidity. Garrett made the right move and now he is making more money to boot. That is the business side of the coin. Garrett understands it and obviously it not scared or anyones lackey.Because he just spent the last week shaking more money out of JJ and/or interviewing to leave the Cowboys? I'll go out on a limb and call that slightly less than 100% loyal.I know in this day and time it is hard to see or hear that a guy is loyal. Garrett I believe is 100% loyal to Dallas. He is a long time player and now wants to be in Dallas coaching. There are family ties in Dallas as well. Why is that so hard to believe. So many haters.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
ya, that's why he's staying in Dallas.No garrett doesn't think he is ready yet that is why he is staying in Dallas. For this reason I think it is a smart move on his part to stay.Apparently Garrett does and at this point, that's all I care.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
PatrickT
Footballguy
I agree, that it does show some loyalty. It also might show that he leveraged Jerry into promising something he wouldn't have otherwise, whether it be money or promises of promotion, we'll likely never know. But saying he is 100% loyal after the last week or two sounded off the mark to me.So, to be loyal is to do what, stick your head in the sand and not look around you? The guy was offered a head coaching job in the NFL and he turned it down to remain an offensive coordinator. You can say what you want but that's rare in today's day and age and definately is considered loyal.Because he just spent the last week shaking more money out of JJ and/or interviewing to leave the Cowboys? I'll go out on a limb and call that slightly less than 100% loyal.I know in this day and time it is hard to see or hear that a guy is loyal. Garrett I believe is 100% loyal to Dallas. He is a long time player and now wants to be in Dallas coaching. There are family ties in Dallas as well. Why is that so hard to believe. So many haters.If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year. Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer. I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings. He is on par with Al Davis.What's your basis for this assertion?He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The talent was there last year too. It was brought out this year. Parcells took forever to promote Romo and stuck with his guy Bledsoe and he didn't use Owens in creative ways. He also didn't get Witten involved enough in the redzone resulting in only 1 TD.When you look at what the Cowboys accomplished offensively with about the same players, you can see why Garrett is looked at so highly.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Dude you know you are never going to get it through to these haters. They are just pissed cause Garrett didn't leave and now are trying to make it sound like a bad thing for Dallas. If Garrett had left omg it would have been the worst thing ever for the Cowboys. You know the song and dance 'Iwannabeacowboybaby!'
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Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I agree with this.Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Are you serious, Garrett has always been the replacement for Phillips.Phillips knew this coming in. Heck he was almost the HC last year before Phillips was named the HC. All this does is show JJ was thinking ahead of the rest of the league by getting Garrett a year before anyone else was even thinking about giving him a chance. Garrett will be a good one for Dallas for a long time when he gets the reigns.I agree with this.Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Well I will end my participation in this thread by saying this a very good day for the COWBOYS after a terrible loss last Sunday. Can't wait for next season. LATA
The offense should have been expected to take a major leap forward with or without Garret. Romo was expected to be better with experience and the addition of Leonard Davis was huge not only for the O-line but because it freed up Whitten more. The usage of TO is what 99% of coaches would have done except TO was stuck playing for the one coach who considered imposing his will more important than building the offense around TO.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I love that two different teams offered this guy a head coaching job. Two different organizations with YEARS or actual experience and s bunch of yahoos on a message board think they know more.
Garrett isn't ready.
Laughable. If Ozzie Newsome, one of the best in the business, thought he was ready, he was ready.
Garrett isn't ready.
Laughable. If Ozzie Newsome, one of the best in the business, thought he was ready, he was ready.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Expectations are useless. It's what you produce on the field, the bottom line. I don't care about expectations......Garrett gets a lot of credit for what was done, that's what I go by. Bill Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach and Garrett improved off of that, so the guy is pretty good. I doubt 99 percent of the coaches could improve off of Bill Parcells.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Guy wants to be HC for the Cowboys some day -- good for him. I'm thankful and grateful that he's sticking around.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
I do not think that this is a good situation for the Cowboys, at least in the near term (next 1-2 years).
Certainly there has always been some strong likelihood that Garrett would succeed Wade. However, in a normal situation following a 13-3 season, Wade would be in the "driver's seat" to dictate on his terms as to when he would be ready to step down, absent a real drop off in the results.
Wade is a "player's coach". For whatever reason, the Cowboys fell apart (maybe too strong but there was a significant drop off) over the past 3-5 weeks.
Okay now we fast forward to 2008. The team is more of a veteran team now. Wade is an easy-going coach. Things ended badly in 2007. Wade is now really a "Lame Duck" with Garrett getting paid like a head coach and waiting in the wings (for how long? 1 year, 2 years).
I just think that the above is a poor mix of ingredients for near term success. All teams face adversity (except the Pats) at various stages of a long season. Will Wade have the "juice" to right the ship? What if the adversity is really more on the offensive side of the equation? If it just a given that Garrett gets a free ride with zero accountability for anything bad?
Certainly there has always been some strong likelihood that Garrett would succeed Wade. However, in a normal situation following a 13-3 season, Wade would be in the "driver's seat" to dictate on his terms as to when he would be ready to step down, absent a real drop off in the results.
Wade is a "player's coach". For whatever reason, the Cowboys fell apart (maybe too strong but there was a significant drop off) over the past 3-5 weeks.
Okay now we fast forward to 2008. The team is more of a veteran team now. Wade is an easy-going coach. Things ended badly in 2007. Wade is now really a "Lame Duck" with Garrett getting paid like a head coach and waiting in the wings (for how long? 1 year, 2 years).
I just think that the above is a poor mix of ingredients for near term success. All teams face adversity (except the Pats) at various stages of a long season. Will Wade have the "juice" to right the ship? What if the adversity is really more on the offensive side of the equation? If it just a given that Garrett gets a free ride with zero accountability for anything bad?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
This is indeed possible, I'm not going to say it isn't. But it's not like some gaurantee that this will happen. Wade Philips has the respect of the players, it's not just going to disappear.If indeed this is a problem, then it probably will be his last year with Dallas but again we're trying to predict the future.
redman
Footballguy
I think most people believed that, but at least with Garrett as a first-time OC this past season, JJ could have plausible deniability about having plans to replace Phillips with Garrett. Now that Garrett has been offered not one but two HC jobs, and was obviously offered something in counter by JJ that was sufficient to retain him in Dallas, the Emporor's new clothes look as thin as ever, especially in a league that tends to be loathe to let its head coaches' contracts get within two years of expiring for fear of making them appear to be lame ducks.To be honest though......Wade was a lame duck from the time he was hired. Especially after the Garrett hiring prior to him. This is just an extension of the move last year...imo. It doesn't really change much. Not many had the expectation that he'd stay longer than 2 years.Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.
He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.
The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.
They're lucky that Wade Phillips is an easy going guy who's "just happy to be here", because I could see a lot of head coaches resigning rather than being undercut like that.
