Garrett to stay in Big D? (1 Viewer)

[redman]

BTW, the scenario I outlined above is probably the most dangerous one. It doesn't even take TO.

Let's say Wade thinks after a slow start that Romo isn't being disciplined enough in his preparation, or better yet a guy like Patrick Crayton doesn't have his head in the game. He wants to say something to these guys, who obviously are offensive players. He basically needs to get Garrett's permission to discipline them because they're already under Garrett's immediate supervision as OC, and worse they all know that Garrett is the one to whom they have long term obligations anyway.

 

[North]

Sorry, no link. Just heard it on Cold Pizza.

Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.

It is a big surprise. How many assistants do you know will hang around and pass up taking a head coaching job somewhere else.I'll tell you what, Garrett showed me that he is loyal to Dallas and as a fan I plan on returning the favor if the chips are ever down.The one question/concern I have is this: If you were Wade Phillips, how does this make you feel. Even though you aren't getting fired, you know exactly what this means. He's got a year or two max and maybe that's Wade's plan anyway.

You really have to wonder how this makes Wade feel, how would you feel if you were the head coach and your OC was making more $$$$$$$$$$$$$ than you????????????Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me! OC making the same if not more than the HC and promised the HC job. Sounds like a lame duck situation to me for Wade. Not good.I don't know if this was the correct choice for Garrett in that HC jobs don't come along to often for an OC, especially two of them. Garrett is the "hot" OC now because of what he's done in Dallas but what happens next year if Romo gets hurt and Dallas doesn't make the playoffs? He doesn't look like such a genius anymore. IMO when a young up and comer is given the opportunity to be a head coach he should take it. There are too many variables that could make his decision a bad one. Plus, whats so bad with the situation in Baltimore? Great talent in the front office, a rebuilt offensive line, a young RB, a pro bowl TE, a good defense. All they need is a QB and to develop him while continuing to add to the defense so it doesn't get old. They were 13-3 last year. A much better situation than Atl.

 

[Interseptopus]

Wade should resign. Jones is screwing him over, making him a lame duck head coach... why not screw him back over and say look, you hired me to do this job and now you're taking the carpet from under me. Just makes me lose respect for Phillips as a coach if he's going to just sit back and take it like a red headed step child

 

[Pimpin Ain't Easy]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

Williams has been making several million less than Gibbs the whole time (Don't forget Danny-boy will overpay his head coach at least as much as he overpays the assistants), and everyone knew Gibbs could write his own ticket for a long time. Add to this the fact that Al Saunders, another guy who made a few rounds on the HC interview circuit, was brought in on the offensive side and it wasn't 100% clear that Williams was the head-coach-in-waiting.But most importantly, I don't put a lot of stock in this analogy until you show me Wade Phillips' bust in Canton.

 

[Pimpin Ain't Easy]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

Williams has been making several million less than Gibbs the whole time (Don't forget Danny-boy will overpay his head coach at least as much as he overpays the assistants), and everyone knew Gibbs could write his own ticket for a long time. Add to this the fact that Al Saunders, another guy who made a few rounds on the HC interview circuit, was brought in on the offensive side and it wasn't 100% clear that Williams was the head-coach-in-waiting.But most importantly, I don't put a lot of stock in this analogy until you show me Wade Phillips' bust in Canton.

Definitely apples to oranges in terms of the coahing ablilities, and respect from coaches, and players with Gibbs/Phillips, but it's not like Gibbs second go around was HOF caliber either. He caught some critiscism both last year and this year IIRC.

I heard more than once that people were speculating that the game had passed Gibbs by. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but it was out there, HOF or not.

How much was Gibbs making? Serveral Million? I thought Williams when he signed, was the highest paid assistant in the league, and it was speculated that he was the next coach when Gibbs left.

Now he's the front runner, and will probably land the job in the next few days.

Guess I'm way off base.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

Williams has been making several million less than Gibbs the whole time (Don't forget Danny-boy will overpay his head coach at least as much as he overpays the assistants), and everyone knew Gibbs could write his own ticket for a long time. Add to this the fact that Al Saunders, another guy who made a few rounds on the HC interview circuit, was brought in on the offensive side and it wasn't 100% clear that Williams was the head-coach-in-waiting.But most importantly, I don't put a lot of stock in this analogy until you show me Wade Phillips' bust in Canton.

Definitely apples to oranges in terms of the coahing ablilities, and respect from coaches, and players with Gibbs/Phillips, but it's not like Gibbs second go around was HOF caliber either. He caught some critiscism both last year and this year IIRC.

I heard more than once that people were speculating that the game had passed Gibbs by. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but it was out there, HOF or not.

How much was Gibbs making? Serveral Million? I thought Williams when he signed, was the highest paid assistant in the league, and it was speculated that he was the next coach when Gibbs left.

Now he's the front runner, and will probably land the job in the next few days.

Guess I'm way off base.

I think Gibbs was making 5-6 million per. Williams was somewhere in the 1-2 million range which at the time he signed was unheard of, but was nothing compared to the Garrett thing.

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

Williams has been making several million less than Gibbs the whole time (Don't forget Danny-boy will overpay his head coach at least as much as he overpays the assistants), and everyone knew Gibbs could write his own ticket for a long time. Add to this the fact that Al Saunders, another guy who made a few rounds on the HC interview circuit, was brought in on the offensive side and it wasn't 100% clear that Williams was the head-coach-in-waiting.But most importantly, I don't put a lot of stock in this analogy until you show me Wade Phillips' bust in Canton.

Definitely apples to oranges in terms of the coahing ablilities, and respect from coaches, and players with Gibbs/Phillips, but it's not like Gibbs second go around was HOF caliber either. He caught some critiscism both last year and this year IIRC.

I heard more than once that people were speculating that the game had passed Gibbs by. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but it was out there, HOF or not.

How much was Gibbs making? Serveral Million? I thought Williams when he signed, was the highest paid assistant in the league, and it was speculated that he was the next coach when Gibbs left.

Now he's the front runner, and will probably land the job in the next few days.

Guess I'm way off base.

I think Gibbs was making 5-6 million per. Williams was somewhere in the 1-2 million range which at the time he signed was unheard of, but was nothing compared to the Garrett thing.

I would expect Jerry to ensure Wade is being paid more then Red.

 

[redman]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

First of all, Wade Phillips:Cowboys != Joe Gibbs:Redskins. I'd hope that it's obvious on its face that Joe Gibbs was the very definition of job security in Washington - he had that job as long as he wanted it regardless of any other consideration.Second, the reports about Williams' guarantee turned out to be untrue. :X

 

[redman]

Jerry Jones Rivers painted himself into a corner with this situation. Garrett is not ready to become a head coach, at least on paper, and it's too soon to fire Wade Phillips without it seeming too brash, but he definitely wants Garrett to replace Wade at some point in the not-too-distant future.

He had three unpleasant options: 1) let Garrett go to another team as their head coach; 2) fire Phillips and promote Garrett to the head coaching spot; or 3) induce Garrett to stay (supposedly by matching the best offer from the Ravens and Falcons) and retaining him and Phillips in their present positions. Jones opted for the last option.

The problem with that is that, regardless of what they try to say publicly about what was promised, it's now obvious that Garrett is Phillips' replacement as head coach, which means that you've now made Phillips a lame duck. How's that going to play the next time, for example, Phillips needs to criticize or discipline someone, especially on offense. Not that I think there are any potential disciplinary cases on offense for the Cowboys.

I thought the Skins did something similar with Greg Williams? Either gave him a large bonus, or salary with the assumption that when Gibbs left, he would get to run the show? Seemed to work out ok.

Williams has been making several million less than Gibbs the whole time (Don't forget Danny-boy will overpay his head coach at least as much as he overpays the assistants), and everyone knew Gibbs could write his own ticket for a long time. Add to this the fact that Al Saunders, another guy who made a few rounds on the HC interview circuit, was brought in on the offensive side and it wasn't 100% clear that Williams was the head-coach-in-waiting.But most importantly, I don't put a lot of stock in this analogy until you show me Wade Phillips' bust in Canton.

Definitely apples to oranges in terms of the coahing ablilities, and respect from coaches, and players with Gibbs/Phillips, but it's not like Gibbs second go around was HOF caliber either. He caught some critiscism both last year and this year IIRC.

I heard more than once that people were speculating that the game had passed Gibbs by. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but it was out there, HOF or not.

How much was Gibbs making? Serveral Million? I thought Williams when he signed, was the highest paid assistant in the league, and it was speculated that he was the next coach when Gibbs left.

Now he's the front runner, and will probably land the job in the next few days.

Guess I'm way off base.

I think Gibbs was making 5-6 million per. Williams was somewhere in the 1-2 million range which at the time he signed was unheard of, but was nothing compared to the Garrett thing.

I would expect Jerry to ensure Wade is being paid more then Red.

Do we know that this happened? There was some belief in some circles that the ~$3M/year that Garrett might be offered would equal or exceed Wade's contract if Jerry matched it.

 

[Christo]

Sorry, no link. Just heard it on Cold Pizza.

Not a big surprise. I mean where would you rather coach Dallas or Baltimore. Baltimore is a mess with no QB an aging defense and offensive line. Garrett will be the Cowboys head coach after next season.

He is not ready to be a HC I am surprised he got any offers.

What's your basis for this assertion?

If he were, Jerry would have hired him last year.

That was last year.

Garrett doesn't think so either or he would have taken the Balt offer.

What's your basis for this assertion? Maybe he would rather be head coach of the Cowboys in a year or two rather than the head coach of the Ravens now. He does have a little personal history with the team.

I know you all think the Dallas job is the "dream" job, but who would want to coach with JJ pulling the strings.

Johnson, Switzer, Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Phillips, Garrett

He is on par with Al Davis.

You forget that Davis was quite successful prior to losing his mind.

 

[redman]

He is on par with Al Davis.

You forget that Davis was quite successful prior to losing his mind.

Yeah, but the 1970's were a long time ago.