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Is there a "hanging myself" smilie?rockbottom895 said:
[borat] Nnnooooooot [/borat]
I think this is part of the reason Coughling was brought in - to instill some discipline. Obviously, he has failed.
That could be part of it. I've heard some of the NYC radio talking heads suggest that the team may not want the turmoil of a new coach on top of a new GM in the same year. Not sure I buy it, but that seems to be some of the thinking around here.
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Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
I'm a Redskins fan, and get to see the Giants a few times a year. I do understand the frustration Giants fans feel, I don't understand how Giants fans brains don't melt and leak out their ears watching false start after false start.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
Would you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
I really really want to see Jared "The Hefty Lefty" Lorenzen play a full game at QBWould you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
I didn't realize his lose of control and the undisciplined play.Would you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
I will say this then...once you lose control of your team, it's time to move on. Not sure what the Giants expect to accomplish next year if the team has no respect for Coughlin. Tiki will be gone and Strahan may retire. Now the grumblings of Shockey saying he wants to go to Philly. I suppose Plax will just quit and refuse to play and be deactivated.
Actually, I know a few Giants fans that would have liked to have at least gotten a look at Lorenzen, he looked pretty good in preseason. If not Lorenzen, then Tim Hasselbeck for a few snaps...at least get someone in there to play with a little fire and hopefully stir something up in Eli to make him realize he isn't untouchable regardless of how poorly he performs.Would you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
The "buzz" out of NY is that Big Blue is going to hire from within (Reese) for the GM slot. Thus, I don't think that that would be a big factor since he was part of the Arcorsi Administration.
Where was that published?Warpig said:
Here: http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?....xml&coll=1Where was that published?Warpig said:
I don't know about the toughest division in football, but I am glad the Giants will keep him even if it is only for a year. He has made the playoffs the last two years when the GM put a ton of money and draft picks into Eli Manning who has been mediocre to date. He may be better if the Giants could have helped him with some OL help or some receivers (Moss has been a bust). The only good lineman that was drafted was Snee and that was at the insistence of Coughlin. Also, this team was 6-2 and everyone was happy until the got DECIMATED with injuries. He almost should get a pass this year missing 9 starters at one point and having Shockey a walking wounded with I believe 6 starters out for the playoffs and a few backups that would have taken their place. Folks, you simply can't do much with this many injuries. It was NOT a coincidence that the team started to lose when the injury bug crushed them.Most importantly, Coughlin should be back because if you have ever heard him do an interview you KNOW he understands the game of football. He is about as on top of every play as any coach I have ever heard. They need to get players who want to play for him. Their veteran leadership was crap and they can let Strahan go and take that money to help the OL or get another receiver or linebacker (which the desperately need)If nothing is better, then go get Cowher in 08.Chaz said:
Well, maybe not the toughest, but having three playoff teams in the same division with guys like Reid, Gibbs and Parcells, it has to be up there. IIRC, the East was talked about very highly in the preseason.Difficult to just start benching guys for mouthing off (though it would be ok by me). I think that Coughlin has also had to deal with the aftermath of the Eli deal. Losing out on a 2nd and a 1st didn't do much for their talent. Or for the frustration of the WRs, for that matter. TC didn't bring in a head case like Plaxico. Bringing in guys who cannot cover like McQuarters hurt bad and the injuries certainly had an effect on both sides of the ball. Toomer was a big part of that offense, not just physically, but as a leader. I believe their schedule may have been the toughest as well.JetsWillWin said:
People always love the backup QB, but RARELY is it any better. Sometimes it could be a spark but then what. There are examples so save them...I would have been much quicker to throw Eli under the bus if he had some weapons to throw to and had ANY protection. There is not a QB in the league who can take a pounding and not let it impact his play. Even the great Tom Brady when pressured against the Dolphins and Jets simply stunk up the joint.sheerterror said:Actually, I know a few Giants fans that would have liked to have at least gotten a look at Lorenzen, he looked pretty good in preseason. If not Lorenzen, then Tim Hasselbeck for a few snaps...at least get someone in there to play with a little fire and hopefully stir something up in Eli to make him realize he isn't untouchable regardless of how poorly he performs.msommer said:Would you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...sheerterror said:Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.Warpig said:I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
It's not a matter of bringing in a backup in the hopes that he can lead the team to victory and create a QB controversy, it's just a matter of letting a guy sit out a few plays or quarters to realize he's not unbenchable despite how much the team may have invested in him.And please, save the Eli excuses. Sure the team was banged up, but even before Pettigout went down, there were numerous times Eli, under no pressure at all, just completely overthrew his receiver or skipped the ball off the ground on a simple out route or screen pass. He really took a step backwards this year IMO, regardless of what his fantasy numbers may look like, and regardless of the Giants backing into the playoffs. This progress (or lack thereof) is not what you want from as expensive of a 1st overall pick as Eli was.People always love the backup QB, but RARELY is it any better. Sometimes it could be a spark but then what. There are examples so save them...I would have been much quicker to throw Eli under the bus if he had some weapons to throw to and had ANY protection. There is not a QB in the league who can take a pounding and not let it impact his play. Even the great Tom Brady when pressured against the Dolphins and Jets simply stunk up the joint.sheerterror said:Actually, I know a few Giants fans that would have liked to have at least gotten a look at Lorenzen, he looked pretty good in preseason. If not Lorenzen, then Tim Hasselbeck for a few snaps...at least get someone in there to play with a little fire and hopefully stir something up in Eli to make him realize he isn't untouchable regardless of how poorly he performs.msommer said:Would you really have benched Eli in favor of the FB Lorenzen or given the reins to the #3 QB?And Warpig - add Strahan and Barber to the ones speaking out...sheerterror said:Coughlin isn't a strict disciplinarian. I know that was his MO for many years, but he's let this team completely tune him out. The Giants were a top 10 most penalized team in the league, and nobody was held accountable for stupid/undisciplined play. Was Eli Manning yanked for a single down during his horrific stretch of play? It's amazing that despite how poor some of his throws were, Coughlin refused to let the guy ride the pine for a little while and watch. Aside from one of the earlier games this season, Plaxico Burress wasn't reprimanded in the slightest bit in the latter half of the season for his completely uninspired play much of the time (granted they didn't have many other receiving options, but what kind of a message does it send when your receiver completely gives up on an intercepted pass?) There were far too many weapons on this team for it to have fared the way it did. The CS needs an overhaul, and it needs to start with a QB coach, because Eli Manning's career is crashing right before our very eyes and somebody needs to be brought in to stop the bleeding.Warpig said:I don't understand the hate for Coughlin. The guy is a strict disciplinarian and that is what you need to coach babysit in the NFL nowadays.
When you think about the players that have been whining what names come to mind? Hmmmm...Shockey and Plax? Those guys are whiny beeyotches and have had problems in the past. I like Shockey's intensity and I'd love to have a player like that on my team but he needs to learn how to bite his tongue. Plax...well...he's just a headcase.
Is it Coughlin's fault if Eli can't get the ball to Shockey or if he'd rather throw it in the dirt because he's not a very good qb?
I don't know how much of the Eli draft fiasco was Coughlin's fault, but he has put the best players on the field to succeed. I think they should open it up to competition next year and maybe motivate Eli to play up to his expectations.
To be honest, as a Jags fan, I'd rather have Coughlin back as the Jags HC than over-rated Del-Rio.
As for weapons, Tiki had trouble catching for awhile with his broken hand, Shockey is a warrior but with broken fingers and a bum ankle could not get any separation, Plax is a real weapon but he is the type of guy you have to throw it up for him because he doesn't have much shake to get separation. Tim Carter has speed but does not seem to run patterns well.
I also think the Giants OC's did a terrible job throwing almost EVERY 3rd and 3 and 3rd and 2. Seriously, have you ever seen a team that is an excellent running team and has an OL that is awful at pass protection pass any more than this team does? Especially on 2-4 yard situations? Simply mind boggling. In the playoff game I believe the number was 7 times on 3rd and 2-4 they passed every time and didn't even put in a run formation to try and trick the defense. It isn't very bright when every time you get 2nd and 3 after a 7 yard run you throw two times in a Row and then punt.
This is good IMO what you want to believe it or not is your own opinion
Not calling Gibbs a clown, but
I definitely believe this is a case of the better options being available next year. What will be interesting is what the line is for Coughlin regarding how successful he needs to be to keep the job. Hate to see my team have a lost year, but, if it means better options long term, I have to opt for that.
I don't disagree but in all fairness I believe the original poster just said some fans wanted Lorenzen to play a little because he looked good in preseason. He did, I was very surprised. IMO He should be 3rd string and they should be bringing in some older guy to back up Eli. He really did look good though. "The hefty lefty" also took some shots and just brushed them off like they were nothing. It was kinda funny but in all seriousness I don't think any NFL QB brushes off a hit like that. Was it the weight? a cushion? Ya know how Carr, Couch and countless other young QBs got smotherred with a record # of sacks per year? In that situation, I wouldn't doubt the hefty lefty is better. Ya gotta see it to believe it. The LBer smacks him and just slides to the ground like he's some 8 year old kid messing around with his 18 year old brother. No one takes a hit like this guy.I think the original sentiment is best served in preseason and not regular season. Eli does need to be "pushed" and shown some competition. It does seem like no matter what he does wrong he's still the best QB and that's not a great learning atmosphere. That should be a concern for the Giants. If they don't land a better QB then at least pretend Lorenzen has a chance to start so Eli feels some pressure.
I don't get what was so hard to understand about my original statement. I'm not suggesting that Lorenzen would have been the answer at QB and come in to challenge Eli for the job, but simply that putting him in for a few snaps, or even Hasselbeck, would allow Eli to sit out a few plays and realize he's not the golden boy and won't be given a free pass when he plays like absolute crap. If anyone watches hockey, it's done often. When a "superstar" isn't giving it his all or is just outright performing poorly, [good] coaches will let him watch from the bench as a harder working 3rd or 4th liner gets a little bit of ice time in his place....usually a good tactic for lighting a fire under the guy's ###; unfortunately, this tactic likely wouldn't work for Manning because he's shown little desire to be the firey leader that most teams need their QB to be.
